Quality has really taken a plunge!

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Originally Posted by Zedleppelin

My position is based on almost 10 years in this industry as a patient, dispensary owner and a caregiver, and before that almost 20 years as an advocate, so if thats how you define ignorance then so be it. I spoke with an owner/friend yesterday about this very subject and it seems what 1284 has done at this point is put the smaller centers in a position where they cannot obtain quality meds and the ones that can are getting them on the black market. Since the beginning of Sept I have had more dispensaries call me looking than before, and one asked if I knew where to get 100 lbs, so what does that say? All these centers are desperate and willing to break the law to survive. Maybe as time goes on these centers grows will eventually satisfy the market but right now they are not.

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I hesitate to engage you because I've been banned for 'wishing a bust on others' when discussing legal vs illegal in one of the brighton bust threads (I think it was that thread), but I'm really curious about this subject. Oh well if I get the ban hammer again. Here goes. *fingers crossed*

Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count? Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc? With all of this tracking of medicine 'from seed to sale', isn't it going to be difficult for MMC's to obtain medicine illegally? Am I missing something? Are you suggesting that MMC's are either going through caregiver product or illegally obtaining their inventory? Just some? I don't have MMC experience like you say you do, how is that possible after 1284/109?

Feel free to ignore this post, it's pretty apparent you despise patients/new growers like myself. I don't mind being ignored or banned or whatever. I come to this site because it has great information, especially local stuff. It's still easy enough to access either way. I can't say enough that I'm not trying to piss off the mods or other posters here, I'm just trying to have an open discussion.

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count?
Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc?

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the smart caregivers did what they had to do to increase yields and keep their options open to the patients they lost "on paper" in all of this bullshit. This encompasses everything from switching to UC/MPB or larger container grown plants to bump yields to setting up duplicate grows on the same 5 cards at different locales. (gasp)

Things slowed down but are now picking back up. I think this upward trend will continue as the regs and cameras start to go in place and folks shy away from willfully being recorded buying illegal substances. Add to that the frenzy of some local jurisdictions to out and out ban or allow the dispensary issue to go to the voters and I foresee further increases as time goes on and the wheels of the dispensary bus become ever-more clogged with Gov't intrusion and greed.

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Originally Posted by blackhash

the smart caregivers did what they had to do to increase yields and keep their options open to the patients they lost "on paper" in all of this bullshit. This encompasses everything from switching to UC/MPB or larger container grown plants to bump yields to setting up duplicate grows on the same 5 cards at different locales. (gasp)

Things slowed down but are now picking back up. I think this upward trend will continue as the regs and cameras start to go in place and folks shy away from willfully being recorded buying illegal substances. Add to that the frenzy of some local jurisdictions to out and out ban or allow the dispensary issue to go to the voters and I foresee further increases as time goes on and the wheels of the dispensary bus become ever-more clogged with Gov't intrusion and greed.

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I appreciate your candor, and I hadn't even thought of duplicate grows, but it makes sense.

It's the only way to fly these days, IMO. Keep the count right on the nuts at multiple houses and have that paperwork in order at each grow. Linking multiple grows set up under one card is impossible, just like tracking the private sales they've forced us into via 1284.

In the end, the folks unplugging because of the new regs were never growers in the first place. Those who have been at this game for awhile will adjust. In the end those folks with a solid understanding of how things work and have worked for years (pre "legality") know that the laws restricting private sales are unenforceable and the chance of getting caught is nil. If it were otherwise, many of us wouldn't be here to grow today. LOL.

As I said before, smart folks will ignore this crap and do what they've always done and the posers will sell their shit on craigslist.

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there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

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there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

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I get frustrated when obvious first time sellers want top dollar for a whole lot of supplies, like it's free ebay. I laugh when people get offended that I ask to buy a single piece of a multiple item post. Oh well.

Unless it's an important item, I don't see any reason to pay retail for grow supplies.

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there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

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600 watt grow light and ballast

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Originally Posted by JeepGuyCO

I'm new to estes park. There aren't any MMC's here, only one appears to be in Lyons. Driving to boulder is a slight hassle. I'd really like to hook up with a more local caregiver. I am a higher volume patient, so I'm worth more to someone who continues to provide medicine to patients.

Are there other forums where caregivers can get into contact with patients like myself? It seems apparent that this site discourages contact between members. That's fine since it protects everyone, it just puts additional barriers between me and a caregiver. I'm not asking for specifics, is there some keywords I can google or something? I don't even see any sketchballs selling overages on CL locally.

Advice? thx.

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take peak to peak hwy to Nederland it will be worth it.:thumbsup:

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there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

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i have 10 or so 600w mag ballast sitting in my garage. along with a few hoods, sockets, bulbs etc. ALL NEW.

i can create a cl ad for you if you want. my friend has an account with a wholesaler and i sell stuff on cl and such.

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I hesitate to engage you because I've been banned for 'wishing a bust on others' when discussing legal vs illegal in one of the brighton bust threads (I think it was that thread), but I'm really curious about this subject. Oh well if I get the ban hammer again. Here goes. *fingers crossed*

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I'm not sure I understand the intent of this statement. Are you attempting to imply something?

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Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count? Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc? With all of this tracking of medicine 'from seed to sale', isn't it going to be difficult for MMC's to obtain medicine illegally? Am I missing something? Are you suggesting that MMC's are either going through caregiver product or illegally obtaining their inventory? Just some? I don't have MMC experience like you say you do, how is that possible after 1284/109?

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I have no idea what other caregivers are doing, but its been a long time since I grew over 36 plants, and even with that I'm able to pull 2 1/2 lbs a month which is enough to keep me happy. I dont trust the increased counts, but I suppose if I was younger and had more balls I could grow 125 plants with my recs. Since its been over a year since I've been involved with dispensaries I also dont know how most are handling 1284, but what i've heard from people on the inside is right now there are only 2 regulators covering the entire state, so you do the math.

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Feel free to ignore this post, it's pretty apparent you despise patients/new growers like myself. I don't mind being ignored or banned or whatever. I come to this site because it has great information, especially local stuff. It's still easy enough to access either way. I can't say enough that I'm not trying to piss off the mods or other posters here, I'm just trying to have an open discussion.

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No, I dont despise patients or new growers, I despise people who are new to this and think they know every damn thing, I despise people who claim clinics can grow better quality than a caregiver, I despise people that compare caregivers to drug dealers, I despise people that compare someone growing a plant to a meth lab, and I certainly despise people who wish others to get busted.

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Originally Posted by Zedleppelin

I'm not sure I understand the intent of this statement. Are you attempting to imply something?

I wasn't implying anything. I got banned for a comment in which I questioned the legality or illegality of news story about a homegrow getting busted. There were few details on the story, and I won't re-post the comment, but the reason for the mod dropping the ban hammer was 'wishing a bust on others'. I don't understand that since we were discussing a bust/arrest after the fact, and I didn't 'wish' anyone get 'busted' I'm confused at how I broke that rule, but whatever, it's in the past. It's now obvious that my initial posts were pretty abrasive and I should have posted more by posting less, if that makes sense. I have asked for follow up from a half a dozen people/admins here, and my emails are ignored so I'm not sure what to do. I never felt like I broke a rule after my first post, so I am honestly afraid of saying the 'wrong' thing and getting banned again. I'm sure you wouldn't mind. I'm still not interested in pissing anyone off, and I will continue to post this disclaimer.

I have no idea what other caregivers are doing, but its been a long time since I grew over 36 plants, and even with that I'm able to pull 2 1/2 lbs a month which is enough to keep me happy. I dont trust the increased counts, but I suppose if I was younger and had more balls I could grow 125 plants with my recs. Since its been over a year since I've been involved with dispensaries I also dont know how most are handling 1284, but what i've heard from people on the inside is right now there are only 2 regulators covering the entire state, so you do the math.

I didn't know this. Do you think bartkowitz would have gotten in trouble if he stayed off the news? I'm just curious and it doesn't matter anyway.

No, I dont despise patients or new growers, I despise people who are new to this and think they know every damn thing, I despise people who claim clinics can grow better quality than a caregiver, I despise people that compare caregivers to drug dealers, I despise people that compare someone growing a plant to a meth lab, and I certainly despise people who wish others to get busted.
I'm going to go ahead and assume you are talking about me, here. Please allow me to respond as if you are being passive aggressive and addressing me. Sorry if you aren't.

I don't sit here and pretend to act like I know much of anything, except how to consume my medicine. I'm kind of a snob/connoisseur if that wasn't obvious, and I like my meds to be very, very high quality. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to caregivers. However, get off of your soapbox. Very, very few caregivers can grow the type of quality stuff I seek. See: Craigslist. Caregivers don't sell the type of medicine I'm looking for on CL. I have talked to about a dozen different caregivers/growers, and only one could show me average quality that I find at MMC's. It's not disrespect, it's lack of access. I'm sure eventually I'll find quality from a private caregiver, but it hasn't happened for me yet. I would be happy to eat my words when I find a top quality caregiver. I'm not an idiot, I realize that MMC's got these top shelf top quality meds from caregivers, not themselves. That should be obvious to anyone who isn't just a hater.
I hesitate to go back to this, but I never said that caregivers are equal to meth labs, nor did I compare patients to drug dealers or anything like that. That's all stuff that is illegal, something I don't care to discuss at this point. I have a plant, and I certainly don't consider myself on par with someone operating a meth lab. Weird that it could be construed as such. It's pretty silly to me that people here who are very smart (like you) continue to think this. I mean it's fine and I couldn't care less what some random thinks, but if you really think that, your comprehension seems to be lacking. I say that respectfully, even if it doesn't change your opinion. But I'm pretty certain you know all of this and are just baiting me. Good times. Again, I don't care to argue legal versus illegal since I think that's what caused my earlier ban

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Now that our two posts have gone slightly off topic, can we get back on topic? I hate to derail an otherwise decent thread.

I keep seeing other forums and stuff for various marijuana related subjects. Are there private, member-only forums where caregivers can 'connect'? I'm not looking to get into the club, I'm just curious whether caregivers have a regular network of other growers. I know one caregiver fairly well and he's been growing over ten years, but I don't think he's ever asked for advice, because he does some things that are just fucking stupid, stuff even I know not to do.

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Originally Posted by copobo

there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

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I know you didn't ask, but this might have potential, seems like lots of equipment.

Ballast, Ebb& Grow Buckets, Trays, Trimpro Automatik

Wow!

I've now been in like 5-6 dispensaries since Sept 1 and ALL of them had CRAP buds that were basically mids.... although prices are still the same. Shit the stuff I grew under a 1000W HPS in my basement on my first attempt is better than this stuff. And these are reputable places!! 3 of them have stickies at the top of this forum.
So bummed. To get high-grade nugs it looks like it's back to the black market... or grow it yourself!
However, edibles seem to be of the same quality. Looks like I picked a good time to slow way down on smoking and enjoy edibles.

I'll stop bitching... but for those of you who feel the same about the quality plunge.. check out the edible scene!

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Wow!

I've now been in like 5-6 dispensaries since Sept 1 and ALL of them had CRAP buds that were basically mids.... although prices are still the same. Shit the stuff I grew under a 1000W HPS in my basement on my first attempt is better than this stuff. And these are reputable places!! 3 of them have stickies at the top of this forum.
So bummed. To get high-grade nugs it looks like it's back to the black market... or grow it yourself!
However, edibles seem to be of the same quality. Looks like I picked a good time to slow way down on smoking and enjoy edibles.

I'll stop bitching... but for those of you who feel the same about the quality plunge.. check out the edible scene!

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You have a valid complaint, but you aren't shopping at the right places.

MMC's have seen a HUGE increase in sales since 1284/109, and with vertical integration it's been difficult for them to buy additional inventory when sales spike, just like we're seeing now. I'm sure you understand how many caregivers aren't growing anymore, right?

Obviously you don't have a relationship with a quality mmc, or you're just posting to hate on mmc's, which is fine. I'm not trying to insult you here. I don't have a quality caregiver so I'm stuck buying from mmc's, and I don't have any sort of problem buying quality meds, and I rarely pay more than $40-$45 an 1/8th for top 1%.

Would you like to have a discussion on where to get good meds? Maybe save yourself some gas money? I notice you didn't post which mmc's are moving 'mids', care to elaborate?

Yeah sure... I'm not trying to dis on any dispensaries here because I know they've all been dealt a shit hand. But here's where I've been:

-Delta-9
-Grateful Meds
-ReLeaf Center (actually had the best dried flowers, but it was still before Sept 1)
-Mountain Medicine
-Urban Dispensary

I found great stuff at these places prior to Sept 1 and now it is garbage... looks like schwaggy outdoor. All 5 places had VERY similar looking buds...

Again I'm not blaming these dispensaries. I've seen that they know how to do it right in the past if they are given free reign. The problem lies in how much they've been limited.

I'm guessing I'm just a bit pickier than you are. If you can tell me an MMC that has top-quality like, say, what you could pick up at D-9 6 months ago... then I'll gladly admit that I'm entirely off base. But I don't think you can!

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Yeah sure... I'm not trying to dis on any dispensaries here because I know they've all been dealt a shit hand. But here's where I've been:

-Delta-9
-Grateful Meds
-ReLeaf Center (actually had the best dried flowers, but it was still before Sept 1)
-Mountain Medicine
-Urban Dispensary

I found great stuff at these places prior to Sept 1 and now it is garbage... looks like schwaggy outdoor. All 5 places had VERY similar looking buds...

Again I'm not blaming these dispensaries. I've seen that they know how to do it right in the past if they are given free reign. The problem lies in how much they've been limited.

I'm guessing I'm just a bit pickier than you are. If you can tell me an MMC that has top-quality like, say, what you could pick up at D-9 6 months ago... then I'll gladly admit that I'm entirely off base. But I don't think you can!

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I can guarantee you that you aren't pickier than I am. I'm not talking shit when I say that the caregivers that I have experience with simply can't grow the quality medicine that I need. I'm rarely impressed with mmc's, quality is hard to find.

I agree with you that quality has dropped, even at places like releaf. They still are a top mmc even in this climate. I guess I'm trying to say that the quality mmc's are still moving the best possible stuff they can. It's tough finding that 1% huh?

Wellspring's house ingrid is okay, they have a grower who supplies their pre98 bubba that also supplies some indica strains that are decent.

Tetra Hydro Center is a small, slightly overpriced shop on hampden, but they'll weigh your bag to 5 grams if you're nice. They have a top 1% sour diesel.

The Hemp Center in Littleton has a decent kush, budding health in the tech center has good meds but they aren't worth your money.

It's difficult justifying a trip to an MMC for only one strain that you might not even like anyway, but these places are solid and have near quality of 6-months-ago, but not the selection. I miss that bigass bowl of earwax delta had for awhile. For awhile, their extracts were the best around without a doubt. Now releaf has the best selection and knowledge of any place I've seen, and I troll mmc's for extracts these days.

I've found that kindreviews is emerging as a good source, so is willbreathes at westword. It just sucks that we only get a couple of decent reviews a month.

Let's have a frank discussion, because this is the industries dirty little secret right now: quality has dropped. And everyone wants to pretend it hasn't.

Have we had a decrease in quality and selection? You bet. It's mostly in the mid to lower grades, where we have one strain a piece. It's not what we grow and everyone who is growing it is overvaluing it because of the market. I'll talk more about that later.

Our high end strains are still high end, but there aren't as many. It kills me every time someone comes in and says "Hey, you're looking a little light."

Part of it was unrealistic expectations. We used to run 25-30 strains, so patients came to expect that. There is nothing wrong with having 10 strains of high end meds if there is a balance of indicas, hybrids and sativas. We still have over 25 different types of hash and a variety of edibles. We still bring it.

But we relied on great caregivers that have more years of experience than I have on this planet. Caregivers from this board. Caregivers growing for AIDS, MS and cancer patients. Caregivers we were proud to support.

Don't get me wrong: we know how to grow, too. Our Jack Flash is still one of my all time favorites. Probably always will be. We turned out quite a few proud harvest pre-9/01/10.

Everything changes when you're in an industrial space you've never worked in before. We've adapted to new circumstances and tested consistently well at FSL, producing several strains over 19% THC. Could we grow 25 strains at a time? 50? Sure... but the results would be disastrous.

So we're focusing on quality, less on selection. We have a kick ass geneticist popping seeds and working on our own strains. Keeping our favorites means we can get more of the expensive testing done. We figured that the selection would come from trading. Boy, were we wrong.

I receive calls every day from other MMC's looking to buy their 30%. I've taken two already this morning. Not swap. Buy.

I'd guess that 70% of us are in the same boat. We grow our house strains, try to keep up with demand and have taken a small hit. Maybe 5% of the shops can actually wholesale and they are gouging most everyone. The combination of fearful MMC's and the increased business they're doing (because of all the closures/low stock levels) means they can charge whatever they want. And they're getting it.

When this whole discussion came up before, I made the Pepsi/Coke analogy. If Coke's production plant went down, is Pepsi going to start bottling for them? Now we have an answer.

The other 25% are operating outside of 1284 and still working with caregivers. I know quite a few caregivers that are still in business, some completely oblivious to the fact that they're breaking the law. Some just don't care.

You know what? Some of those shops have a much better variety than us. They're easy to spot; you can tell how many grower's handy work goes into jars. When the Department of Revenue tells you they can't truly audit anyone for months, possibly a year, it's tempting.

We could do the same thing. We also want to be here in a year, in five years, or until the country wakes up and legalizes.

September sucks. We're getting our grow down, but we're not quite there yet. We're not going to pay $1100 a QP for meds. We're also not going to raise prices. Ever.

We want to fight parts of 1284, but they've made it difficult. The 70/30 rule makes no sense at all. If it's all being monitored and tracked, why do the percentages matter? If they want everything on camera, why does it matter if we grow in an industrial space or a basement? I could go on for a while about what is broken/unconstitutional in 1284.

We'll continue to fight for caregivers, as well. We'll be attending Monday's city council meeting and will hopefully have an opportunity to speak.

So bear with us. We still have great meds on the shelf, an amazing staff and our dedication to patients. Reports of our death are greatly exaggerated.

great post

it's interesting the net effect of getting everything under control is Center owners are now tempted to go black market and quality + supply are taking a major hit.

this is where organized crime will step in, thanks to 1284

There may be a shift in the other direction as more of the greenhouses finish up. Plus mites aren't nearly as bad in CO come winter, so we'll be turning away less.

Nice post releaf.

lampost, thehempcenter in littleton has some sourdiesel that is as good a product as I've seen in months, it's worth the trip.

ReLeaf,
Your post is what I thought would happen, but hopefully it's just a temporary situation. No 1 MMC is going to have the wide variety of great product that they were able to carry a few months ago. I'm sorry but no 1 grower is knowledgeable enough to grow 45+ strains! I figured at first places would have about 1-2 top strains and about 6-8 mids - adds up to be about 10 strains per place. If MMCs would work together, they could each swap their mids, bringing the number of strains they carry to about 15. Personally I don't need a place that carries more than that! After smelling 3 or 4, they start to all smell the same! Maybe I'm getting old, but I don't need to choose from 45+ strains.

How much better does your top sell compared to mids. I'm guessing mids out sell your top & low. It's human nature. Check out the book, Predictably Irrational

Might change the way you present your product....
It definitely makes one a more educated consumer!

Releaf - I'm sure you've heard this before, but you've got my vote. I'll be heading to you for my meds next time I'm buying. Honesty, open disclosure, and high-quality is important to me. I'm new to this world and have had 'okay' experiences at a few dispensaries. But I don't feel I can trust any of what they tell me.

Top shelf makes up about 85% of our total sales. We sell more hash than we do low or mid, but since we don't stock a lot of those we're probably not the place patients go to for them.

I'll definitely check that book out, thanks for the recommendation. :thumbsup:

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Releaf - I'm sure you've heard this before, but you've got my vote. I'll be heading to you for my meds next time I'm buying. Honesty, open disclosure, and high-quality is important to me. I'm new to this world and have had 'okay' experiences at a few dispensaries. But I don't feel I can trust any of what they tell me.

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Some of them just don't know. We figured out early on to worry about what we do and not anyone else. Now we have to work hand in hand with other MMC's and weeding out the bad ones is most of the work.

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Releaf - I'm sure you've heard this before, but you've got my vote. I'll be heading to you for my meds next time I'm buying. Honesty, open disclosure, and high-quality is important to me. I'm new to this world and have had 'okay' experiences at a few dispensaries. But I don't feel I can trust any of what they tell me.

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I'll second that emotion.When I went to check them out a week or so ago I passed a few places on Fed. Blvd. that I wouldn't even think about going into. These types of places have that fly by night appearence and I think as things get weeded out (ouch)things will get better. I'm new to this sceen so this is just my take on things.
This site, the feedback from members and the discourse from the MMC's has opened my eyes to the current climate now-a-days.
When my 35 days are up I'll be in.

Yeah ReLeaf has always been kind of an under-rated dispensary. I think I posted the first review for them several months ago.

in my humble opinion the reason that the quality of pot in dispensaries has gone down hill is that summer has just ended and no matter what anyone tells you pot grown too hot sucks. That is why cannabis grown at altitude even indoors has a much greater chance to "be kind" Even at my altitudes I chose to run 1/4 less lights this last round........ guess what? I have nice summertime weed....... but not enough of it.

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...summer has just ended and ...pot grown too hot sucks.....

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Agreed! This past summer took a toll on a lot of growers who usually are able to grow some great product. Way to hot this summer! Even indoor grows were having trouble trying to keep the heat down.

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

I hesitate to engage you because I've been banned for 'wishing a bust on others' when discussing legal vs illegal in one of the brighton bust threads (I think it was that thread), but I'm really curious about this subject. Oh well if I get the ban hammer again. Here goes. *fingers crossed*

Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count? Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc? With all of this tracking of medicine 'from seed to sale', isn't it going to be difficult for MMC's to obtain medicine illegally? Am I missing something? Are you suggesting that MMC's are either going through caregiver product or illegally obtaining their inventory? Just some? I don't have MMC experience like you say you do, how is that possible after 1284/109?

Feel free to ignore this post, it's pretty apparent you despise patients/new growers like myself. I don't mind being ignored or banned or whatever. I come to this site because it has great information, especially local stuff. It's still easy enough to access either way. I can't say enough that I'm not trying to piss off the mods or other posters here, I'm just trying to have an open discussion.

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i saw job listings for mmj auditors and the like at helpwanted.com. trust me they are coming and when obama is gone so are a lot of dispensaries. underground is just waiting. as of late i have not found anything comparable to my own. so i expect things to get better as they get worse. underground will achieve balance and large dispensaries will be attacked by feds, small dispensaries will struggle to sell their mediocre wares, politicians will gloat with glee claiming how they saved the world...vote for me, police forces will get more funding and put more people in prisons, rich idiots will get richer from prison stocks, poor people will pay street prices again and what do you know
everything is just like it was before obama said he would not target dispensaries. they dont want dispensaries they want black market because thats where their money comes from....DUH.

meded is a hell of a drug

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i saw job listings for mmj auditors and the like at helpwanted.com. trust me they are coming and when obama is gone so are a lot of dispensaries. underground is just waiting. as of late i have not found anything comparable to my own. so i expect things to get better as they get worse. underground will achieve balance and large dispensaries will be attacked by feds, small dispensaries will struggle to sell their mediocre wares, politicians will gloat with glee claiming how they saved the world...vote for me, police forces will get more funding and put more people in prisons, rich idiots will get richer from prison stocks, poor people will pay street prices again and what do you know
everything is just like it was before obama said he would not target dispensaries. they dont want dispensaries they want black market because thats where their money comes from....DUH.

meded is a hell of a drug

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If the government would pull it's head out of it's ass it'd realize that there's MORE $$$$ to be made thru proper taxation and regulation of MMJ. (shouldn't be treated any different than Alcohol or Tobacco)

I agree, the fees that they're currently asking for are intended to drive MMJ out (and back to the black market) Those fee's are already pushing many of the best growers back underground.

well, if you let the dog off the leash, he'll pee in the neighbors yard. thats what we have done with our gov+police, now its too late to tame the beast. oh well traitors always get what they deserve:)

meded so you can mededicate to mededitate

Its the heat bros..I help do grows in Washington Denver and Cali

The strain of Bubba we grow in Washington in the summer time compaired to the same strain of Bubba grown in Denver is not the same in taste smell or apperance....but the potency is still the same

especially if you dry it to quickly.... you still need to dry weed in the 70s for a week or so...even if the temps are in the 90-100s

My bro dried our last crop to fast ...3 days...then bagged it... it was still moist .....we had to redry it 2 times ...fucked up a crop people didnt want the bubba... didnt smell or look like the kind

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Originally Posted by VapedG13

Its the heat bros..I help do grows in Washington Denver and Cali

The strain of Bubba we grow in Washington in the summer time compaired to the same strain of Bubba grown in Denver is not the same in taste smell or apperance....but the potency is still the same

especially if you dry it to quickly.... you still need to dry weed in the 70s for a week or so...even if the temps are in the 90-100s

My bro dried our last crop to fast ...3 days...then bagged it... it was still moist .....we had to redry it 2 times ...fucked up a crop people didnt want the bubba... didnt smell or look like the kind

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dry in the 60's then jar it for a couple of days, open it let it air out,repeat process until you leave it closed for a few weeks and then...primo smoke. uuuuuhhhhhmmmmm... i believe thats called drying, sweating and curing
apparently it did not dry to fast if it was still wet

meded is a hell of a drug

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Originally Posted by MEDEDCANNABIS

dry in the 60's then jar it for a couple of days, open it let it air out,repeat process until you leave it closed for a few weeks and then...primo smoke. uuuuuhhhhhmmmmm... i believe thats called drying, sweating and curing
apparently it did not dry to fast if it was still wet

meded is a hell of a drug

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Brother man to do that with 25 pounds of weed is hard... jar and cure:wtf: My personal stash... sure no problem:D


only 4-5 days of dry time is way to fast...drying in a 90* area is not good

I take 10-12 days in Washington for the intial dry...then I 33 gallon bag the entire plant for a 12 hour period to pull the moisture back from the stems to the buds... I remove the bag and let the herb dry again ....then repeat

I do this process 2-3 times and it so skunky and smooth tasting takes about 14-15 days total from downing to medicene:hippy:

I do not know much about the quality in Denver local as much but the medicine I got yesterday at Greatful Meds and Harvest house up in Nederland is still over the top. My favorite's for sure are GM's Agent Orange and Harvest House's Wheelie...still have 6 other strains to test later on tho..it's a tough job but it's something only a old man can do...lol

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Originally Posted by denverbear

I do not know much about the quality in Denver local as much but the medicine I got yesterday at Greatful Meds and Harvest house up in Nederland is still over the top. My favorite's for sure are GM's Agent Orange and Harvest House's Wheelie...still have 6 other strains to test later on tho..it's a tough job but it's something only a old man can do...lol

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I picked up a couple grams the other day & the quality seems to be spot on for the strains I've tried. (Picked up Agent O, Afgooey & Kurple Fantasy) tried the Afgooey & Kurple so far & extremely pleased. I tend to use mostly Indica's as the pain I suffer is extremly intense, in fact I am lucky to sleep 6 - 7 Hours with out waking up in Pain. ( My card is for both pain & Nausea). I have however had decent day-time results with Cindy 99 (Sativa), and thats really rare for the Sativa's I have tried.

I will be going Back Wednesday after I get my Disability check, for a bit more. Unfortunately my Disability doesn't allow me to stock up much. I would try growing but I am afraid my health issues would interfere & I live in a Mobile Home & still rent the Lot so management could still put us out even though we own the home.

But I have no complaints with the quality. Gonna try the Agent O tonight :stoned:

i hear nothing but good about GM:thumbsup:

meded is a hell of a drug

I'm glad that the people who used to smoke brown, mexi brick buds don't see a drop in quality. But when you've smoked sugar-encrusted nugs for years it's easy to see. Grateful Meds rarely had the tip top quality anyway and their quality has still gone down.
Granted looks better than some I've seen, but it's not as good as it gets. Trust me.

people are i too big of a hurry to get it o the shelves, would be my guess. i can bet they are not curing at all.

meded so you can mededicate to mededitate