I appreciate that. Stop in and at least take a tour, there's no paperwork involved.
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I appreciate that. Stop in and at least take a tour, there's no paperwork involved.
Like the Releaf Center. ;)Quote:
My whole point was that there are people that do get quality care by way of a dispensary.
Being upfront - they are my caregivers. Never had a beef, never been disappointed with their quality. Jake, and TRC, are damm good people.
There are some truly good dispensaries out there. Just as there are some truly suck dispensaries. And there are some damm good people out there too. Like anything it's a matter of separating the wheat from the chaff.
I'd love to grow at home, but there's too many dangers, obstacles, and too much uncertainty right now. Someday, sometime, someplace I'll grow my own. Until then I have to rely on dispensaries. Lumping all dispensaries with a carpetbagging/profiteering label is foolish at best.
I've read the bill over and again, and to be honest I still don't have a good clue where or how this will all wash out. It's fantastic we have good people out there willing to fight for this, but so to does the anti crowd. They've the best attorneys and LEO that our tax dollars can buy. They have the time and money, we have a constitutional amendment. The next year or so is going to be interesting.
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I wish it was, but as it stands right now there's too many hanging back and hoping for others to do the legwork. How many made it up to Grateful Meds for the meeting? IIRC there was 9 people total up there. How about the veto march to the Governors home? Contrast either event with the attendance on 420 day in CC Park.Quote:
In many ways; one could say right now is the 60s of the new Millennium.
Too little populist passion and too much fear in the ranks for this to be a sixties equivalent. Until we find a personality that folks can rally around we're going to continue to wander semi aimlessly.
Very hypocritical if you ask me. You might not be the absolutely flashiest dispensary out there but you're smoke shops pretty damn flashy in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
you're = you areQuote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
your = your (possessive)
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Good call :thumbsup: Maybe I shouldn't have medicated today. I'll try to return the favor sometime. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorje113
Cool, can't have you typing 2 more keys than needed. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
I think we spent all of $500 on furniture. Most of the high end places are towards the thousands. We lucked out on the space, but there was NOTHING in here when we started except bathrooms and our two display cases. We did the whole build out with our crew, so I appreciate the compliment! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
Shoulda found them a caregiver while you were gone! I'm sure they would appreciate wholesale prices instead of 50 an 8th LoL.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan
They'll be getting a very fair price, plus I'll be loading them up before I take off. It's possible they might run out the last week, but I don't it. I'm guessing they'll probably go the first week or so, just to check out other strains for me to grow for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
i think there will be some ebb and flow on prices as there are in gov regulated products. howevever mind you that this is derived from underground and underground will exist as long as there is a need. "see a need, fill a need." with that more people can be arrested, prison stocks go up, more idiots make money off of us and before you know it you've done it! JAY TELL THEM WHAT THEY WON! you get an all expense paid vacation to one of the top two worst prisons in the world, courtesy of the USA government. but wait thats not all...how would you like all the sex you can take; well dream no more, bubba is waiting, and his 13"long 4" thick dick will satisfy all that you have to offer:thumbsup: so keep on doing your harmless product and you will be called a terrorist and end up at resort BUSH AND OTHER VILE TRAITOR PRESIDENTS AN ON DOWN THE LINE"Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
meded so you can mededicate to mededitate
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Originally Posted by Dorje113
Any time you add license fees from the state-and communities--that cost will be passed onto the consumer. The cost of growing indoor medical marijuana is very expensive and that is what patients are paying for now.
By making dispensories grow at least 70% of the product--puts the small time grower out of the loop--who very well could be growing a great product that is willing to sell for less--thereby limiting cost competition within this industry.
Surprises me that the politicians can't see the obvious...
Anything other than legalization creates (even necessitates) a 'black market'.
Here, we have a Bill that forces both black & gray market dealings... those that don't have patient status are totally black... and now forcing a gray market where patients deal with non-assigned caregivers, or dispensaries snagging caregiver dank.
The 'green' market that the Bill forces is commercial grade... high volume at the expense of variety & quality... no way around it. The possible exception (that I can see so far) is that some top-notch caregivers will partner (in legal form) with the mega-dispensaries, but will have to move out of the home and into an industrial/commercial building.
Combine all of this with the fact that the Bill will reduce the number of vendors & dispensaries... where can there possibly be downward pressure on price???
I'll lay 3:1 that we will see no drop in price over the next 2 years & that the selection & availability will be for shit over the next 1.5 years! ;-) If not for longer...
[QUOTE]It will definitely drive prices down for the growers. I've been getting between $3600.00 and $4400.00 per lb from local dispensaries. That's going to change drastically...and soon. Look for growers for dispensaries to be offered $2500.00 or less. It's already happening. Once that becomes widespread, look for the quality to suffer unless the grower really knows his shit relative to being able to produce high quality yields from homegrown nutes. No more of those expensive boutique nutes......at least not without a major hit to your profit margin. It's definitely possible to do it with homegrown fertilizers, but not every grower has this level of experience. Those who know how to do this will be able to keep their margins high enough to stay in business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorje113
That's going to be interesting to see how it gets sorted out.......of course, once a grower is locked in to a contract at a certain price, he's really not going to benefit/suffer from price fixing, as long as his price is fixed and the dispensary can cash him out on a weekly basis. Being cashed out immediately rather than the dispensary taking the product on a front for x amount of time will be absolutely essential to the grower being able to continue to cover his fixed overhead.Quote:
Others think there will be fewer dispensaries, and they will conspire to keep the prices high. I seriously doubt it, as not ALL dispensaries will go along with price fixing, plus it is illegal, and this industry is going to be closely monitored. If I owned a dispensary, I know I could make a lot of money AND sell $10 grams, $25 1/8ths, and $150 ozs.
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Originally Posted by SGMeds
do you think some great Colorado meds will be heading out of state?
i'd have to say prob yes..Quote:
Originally Posted by copobo
these guys that have big grows won't just throw away the extras.
^^^^without a doubt. It will be just one way CO growers adapt. I'm sure some already are. It's really unfortunate for Colorado's economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by copobo
Bumping this from six months ago. Has anyone noticed any increase in price? Prices here have dropped significantly. I don't attribute that to 1284, but rather to the several new places that have opened. I don't think 1284 has caused the increase in price many people expected. Anyone seen prices go up?
You get what you pay for! I don't think anyone could justify charging the old prices for some of this warehouse shit! They had to come down...Quote:
Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
Looks like Dorje was right - There was a guy last night at the bar I was at, telling people about where they could get $150 ounces.
I think the price for consumers is going to pretty much stay the same. Historically an 1/8 of good nugs has been $50. Even if the dispensary grows some crap themselves for $5 they are still going to charge $50.
Where the price needs to go (back) up is for the grower...
It costs alot of money to setup an operation, and alot of my time! Besides the fact that my bud is expertly soil grown, 100% organic, hand trimmed, and actually cured, it is never packaged in anything but glass mason jars.
I don't think I should have to take anything less than $4k a pound. The dispensary is going to sell it for $6400, making $2400, or 60% profit (not considering overhead).
The growers do the hard work. Dispensaries just sell the stuff.
Not that this matters because we all know that no dispensaries are still buying from non-centers:wtf:
Back in Wisco I was getting $5600 a pound, and people were basically fighting to suck my cock for this herb. That was wholesale!
I know that isnt going to happen here, but for less that $4k/lb its almost a money losing operation. I would be better off just growing for myself and having a "regular job".
I think prices will drop as dispensaries figure out how to grow, and as they do the successful ones will expand their operations as needed.
Another issue about 1284 is that the 70/30 rule could be interpreted as only allowing a dispensary to wholesale 30% of their crop, and if they are a small dispensary with a big harvest they will have to lower prices to be able to sell it all. Our warehouse is looking really good right now(knock on wood), and if it does real well we will have more weed than we can sell at our current rate of sales. Not a bad problem to have all-in-all but if we can only wholesale 30% we will have to run some special promotions....
It's true a lot of product is sub-par but that will change too... A lot of places are only on their 1st or 2nd runs in new warehouses with new strains. Soon enough, dispensaries that can't grow good weed will go out of business.
Then there are the greenhouses, yes there are some places ag. zoned property has been approved an you'll see thousands of pounds of greenhouse weed hit the market next year. If done right, it will be better than any warehouse indoor and should create a surplus driving down prices just like it does in CA.
Personally I look forward to the day the prices drop enough so the profiteers and d-bags go find another scam. I'm happy to grow more weed to make up for any drop in price. :)
Well, I completely disagree that $4k wholesale is anywhere near reasonable, if you can't do it for half that and be happy you should start looking at other careers. I'm not trying to be an ass but pretty soon there will be a lot of dispensaries growing excellent herb and I know for a fact that it is possible to wholesale for less than half of what you expect and still make a good living.Quote:
Originally Posted by asscore
I almost can't wait for full legalization so the BS inflated prices from the black market are a thing of the past.
A friend of mine who owns a dispensary called me a week ago desperate for product, but unwilling to pay more than $175/0z at any quantity. I turned her down of course, and two days later was offered $ 1800 for .5lb. Found out later she ended up paying 3800 for a lb., and I know the grower and it was definitely inferior. Have no idea what that all means, except that my decision to stop selling to dispensaries was a good one.
There is a big variance in pricing because there is a big variance in quality. I think what 1284 has done so far (for non-dispensary pricing) is stabilized prices and possibly inched them up a notch for high quality herb. I know quite a few people who have been so disappointed with the product from dispensaries lately that they're willing to pay for better quality. That crap you see on Craiglist for $150 an oz is just that, crap.
Dorje113 is right a rain. all the grey and illegal grows better get ready 2k/#Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorje113
I sell my pot for $4000 a pound retail......at $250 an ounce. Pot will never be worth more than it is now.
This is how I feel. As a patient, I've been cheering as prices for good pot crashed through the $50 price point. I'm curious to know what you and Dorje and any other center operators / commercial growers think will be a stable retail price for an ounce. In short, how low will it go?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarvestHouse
Prices are now between $2500 and $3200. We still see the occasional $3600, no one really over that.
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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
There will be and always be room on both ends of the market. There is a lot that determines market value of any commodity. My wife's father drove a hyundai yet belonged to Congressional County Club, the Drake and several other elite type clubs...... he could'a belonged to the Elks or Moose and drove Ferraris. Just an example of the varieties of places people put their priorities.
Whats the price of pot grown by a newbie with a warehouse vs. a 20 year grower?
Western slope is getting overrun with Cali outdoor. One can easily pick up a lb for $1500-1900 right now.
Of course come Jan/Feb - prices should go back up.
It's like any other commodity, price is going to fluctuate. I remember my trip to Holland back in the 90's - the news, besides talking about current gold & silver prices - also talked about current hemp prices
Isn't that illegal? At some point the DOR is going to be checking inventories and where the product comes from.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan
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Originally Posted by HarvestHouse
I also think that there will be a larger price difference between grades of weed in the future. Right now there isn't enough differentiation and people are getting away with selling mediocre weed for too much money. I have been growing for almost 20 years and think my weed should be worth more than a newbie's mediocre crapola for sure... and it is but not by enough IMO.
Here, here! your's is worth more........ My suspicions tell me it will be worth even more soon. The only market differentiation in CO right now is with the old heads........ and they don't need MMCsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorje113
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Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
It is illegal. But then again all this is illegal according to Feds. Think they care where it comes from. I'm all for CO-grown. Just getting the word out there that there's Cali stuff trying to make it's way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
I thought I'd bump this thread :)
Right now, prices are on a sharp decline. Wholesale is down over 25% compared to when this thread was started, and retail has dipped well over 25%. We currently sell $250 ounces to members and I heard of one shop selling good quality mmj for $175. At $250/oz, that's $4k/lb, 25% above wholesale value. These are tight margins...
The 70/30 rule makes it so you have to sell 70% of your own production, and some smaller MMCs are having to cut prices quite a bit to be able to sell that much through their own shops.
Quality is also on the rise, right now it's difficult to wholesale anything but the highest quality meds, and even then prices are around $3k/lb. As time goes on I expect quality will continue to go up and MMCs that can't produce the best of the best will lose all their business and have to shut down.
there's super quality herb out there for 125/z and up in boco. everyone had to get these facilities to grow in, so mmc's grow their limit in 10 times the amount of space that was being used pre-1284. It's kinda crazy how low prices are. I can't see how most centers are making it.
Yeah, unless MMCs grow the goods, sell it for a good price, and have a larger operation to provide some economy of scale I think their days might be numbered. However, if the local and state governments end up denying licencing for a lot of shops it will make it easier for the others to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by copobo
Honestly, the risk/reward ratio is so poor right now I kinda wished I stayed away from MMCs entirely... woulda been better off as a private CG. Gov't f*cks it all up....what else is new.
BUT... from the consumers point of view this is great. There is tons of variety, prices are low and top quality isn't hard to find. And you can just walk into a shop and buy it legally rather than deal with BM dealers.
Fiddler's Green ain't in it. CO smokers have never had it so good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorje113