Draconia Tactics at The Aurora Mall

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

The fact that I was harassed by police is going to be my word vs theirs unless the video has audio.

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That's the unfortunate part all too often. And all too often there's not even video.
When you get 2 or more of those pricks on you they will lie and back each other up. It's really a bullshit part of our system that we need to go to great ends to remedy. We have the police car cameras, but I think every cop should personally where a helmet-cam... or even just a frickin' mic! I think people would be appalled at how much they twist little shit to get people in trouble...

I was busted once almost 10 years ago in a neighbor's apartment at school. There were so many sketchy things about the bust, but I couldn't afford a good lawyer at the time!
I was arrested for possession in my neighbor's apartment because he was smoking and the bag was out... so apparently I was in possession too. The cop proved I was smoking (although I hadn't been) by saying, "the suspect had a green tongue, indicative of marijuana smoking". LMAO!! Smoking pot doesn't give you a green tongue! It's fuckin' ridiculous! And his partner backed him saying I had a green tongue.
We need mics/cameras on all cops!! These guys need to be accountable.

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Originally Posted by Adamkadmon

That has lawsuit written all over it. Purchases made? So they have receipts showing they were just there shopping. This is a first amendment issue. I would tell your son to talk to an attorney, make the mall pay for their ignorance, literally.
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I agree--of all the tea shirts that I see on a daily basis that are vulgar and very distasteful---your sons tea shirt isn't one of them. I have never noticed in any mall of the really bad ones--(person wearing it) to remove it or else.

So a lawyer is probably the best option. To get a bunch of people there with tea shirts--is only going to "radicalise" the situation--with supporters of medical marijuana being called and referred to as "druggies." And we certainly don't need that about right now.

I think I have read that Aurora is very anti medical marijuana dispensory--so people can hit them in their wallets--simply by refusing to shop there.

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

I was stopped by mail security minutes after making my first purchase at the Aurora mail. I was planing to spend some money.
The security guard that stopped me wouldnt tell me what the problem was for about 5 minutes(until back up could show up..). The next thing I know I am surrounded by police and mail security. They said "you have to turn your shirt inside out, take it off, or leave the mail." I did not refuse to do any of those thing. I said as loud as I could without yelling "So you guys are harassing me for wearing a cannabis shirt when I came here to spend money?" They told me to remove my shirt or turn in inside out. I said "Why? So everyone can see a backwards faded marijuana leaf on my chest?" again being as loud as I could without yelling.
At this point the crowd started to gather and watch. I told them I wanted to speak to a manager about this because my rights are being violated. The mail director was right there and we began to talk like adults about this. He informed me that my shirt is considered offensive to some people so they do not allow any cannabis related attire on mail grounds. I pointed out that there are many store in the mail that sell attire such as this and I made the comment that marijuana is legal for medical users in our state, its always on the news and there is no reason for anyone to be offended by a marijuana leaf on my shirt.
At this point one of the police officers became annoyed and said "its not legal, ha" looking directly at me as he said it in a loud voice. I stopped speaking to the directer of the mail and informed the police officer that it is legal for medical use in our state and I voted on it. I then went back to speaking with the directer of the mail. I told him that they are violating my constitutional rights, when I hear the same police officer say "NO we arent" again looking directly at me. I turned and replied "yes you are, I have the right to wear what ever shirts I want to in this country". He then said "Dont talk to me, Im not talking to you"
I said "well your lookin right at me and speaking very loud"
he says "no I was talking to my fellow officer and you better start cooperating or you will be placed under arrest for trespassing"
I replied "so I am not aloud to reply to people when they are speaking to me"

They they said I was under arrest for trespassing...they brought me to the police station as I spoke very loud of the injustice going on so everyone in the mail could hear it.
I asked the police about the fact that I havent done anything wrong and was never asked to leave the mail so how could I be trespassing? he said "well then Ill just charge you for disorderly conduct"
I told him that he cant just charge me for what ever he wants, thats not how things work. I then asked why he is trying to start a fight with me
he replied "If I was trying to start a fight with you, you would be in the hospital"

I was done at that point and pretty sure I was going to jail or going to get a ticket. I was informed that I was being banned from the mail for one year and then was asked to sign a piece of paper showing that I understood. Under the offenses they listed trespassing.
Then they let me go with no charges... I was escorted to my vehicle

I have been wearing marijuana related tee shirts half my life and have never been harassed for it. It was obvious that one of the police officers on seen have a major prejudice against marijuana smokers.


edit:sorry for the novel, Its only been a day so I still am pretty worked up. Hard for me to believe that this kinda treatment is legal.....

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Don't be Jake! In fact, it's very, very good you wrote this. Take a copy of this with you tomorrow to your lawyer's appointment. Later on in the case it'll become useful. If there are more things you remember between now and then add them in too. The more info you have the better for you and your case.

I was arrested at a Meijer Thrifty Acers back east for stealing a pair of shoes that I bought at Pic Way. After I was released, I went home and my mom told me to do a write up just like you did here and it was helpful. Once you get a year or so into the suit you'll start to forget little (important) details. This will help you refresh your memory. In fact, hearing your struggle it brought back memories from that time. I would have handled it SO much worse if it happened now than I did back then. Ha, back then I politely told him to fuck off...now I'd be like "FUCK FUCKING OFF, Ass hole!" But that's jus cause I have a loud mouth now. :thumbsup:

Speaking of which, I told yer mom that you handled it MUCH better than I would have. If it were me, I'd be sitting in jail on another disturbing the peace charge! LOL

In solidarity,
Just

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Originally Posted by rightwinger

I agree--of all the tea shirts that I see on a daily basis that are vulgar and very distasteful---your sons tea shirt isn't one of them. I have never noticed in any mall of the really bad ones--(person wearing it) to remove it or else.

So a lawyer is probably the best option. To get a bunch of people there with tea shirts--is only going to "radicalise" the situation--with supporters of medical marijuana being called and referred to as "druggies." And we certainly don't need that about right now.

I think I have read that Aurora is very anti medical marijuana dispensory--so people can hit them in their wallets--simply by refusing to shop there.

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I don't knows I agree with all that winger. I think a strong stance against them showing the boycott can be helpful if tastefully done. If we get hundreds of people out there picketing, it'll draw media attention and the attention of the people which is exactly what the mall doesn't want. They go to great lenghts to avoid bad PR like this.

While this isn't about MMJ, I, personally, wouldn't open a disp in Aurora. There's too much crime there and that's just by the city itself! lol Secondly, I don't shop in Aurora because they lose the tax money generated by sales.

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

LOL
Very nice. Ill shoot you a mail
This is very cool. Thanks for the ideas and support

I thought about calling the police station and putting in a complaint on the officers that were on the sceen. Ill see where this goes

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The only thing filing a complaint does is keeps them from getting a raise/promotion. Otherwise, they are free to do WHATEVER they want becasue they're cops. They are a (willing) tool of the gov't to supress the people and the will of the voters by any means nessicary. This is a perfect example of that.

Thanks for the email! I really like meeting new people and helping in my very small way! :)

j

I met with some of our legal friends today and they seemed very interested in this story. They said they would start contacting reporters and try to get this on FOX news.
Right when I got back to my house I got a call saying there are a couple of reporters "chomping at the bit" for this and they wanted me to drive back to denver lol, I told them I would rather do it tomorrow. Ill drive back up there if they need me to though. So I guess Im going to have to do some interviews tomorrow :D
Here we go WWWEeeeeeeeeEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Keep us posted on how the interviews go! Are your lawyers advising you on what to say to them?

No, the lawyers havent said anything about what I should and shouldnt say. Im sure they will give me some pointers before the interview so I dont go off on a rant :P

I just got a text from someone at the post that wants to meet up tonight. These guys work very fast lol.

My lady doesnt want to be on TV because of her job. She was there for the entire event so Ill have to see if I can talk her into it if TV comes up

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

Here we go WWWEeeeeeeeeEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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Give em hell, Jake!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:

Very interested in how this plays out. Glad to see you're going through with the inteview and trying to get you're girlfriend to testify as well :D That would be even more convincing, either way it sounds like they messed with the wrong person! Thumbs up for standing up for you're rights!:thumbsup:

As a parent you never know if anything you try to teach them sinks in. Guess Jake got the message, stand up for your rights, loud and clear.

I am proud of Jake, he actually took a half day off of work to see this to the end. He is not in it for any money, contrary to what others might think. It is about making sure that no one else gets harassed for wearing something that a security guard does not agree with. He is not done being inconvienced and his only motivation is to hold people accountable for their actions.

I am damn proud of my son.

We're doing Green Rights Radio tomorrow night and would love to say something about what happened. Would that be ok, Jake?

No problem at all.
I was told my story will be in the Denver post tomorrow, Ill post a link of the story before I head out to work. There is a press release tomorrow also so it might end up being on other news media also

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

No problem at all.
I was told my story will be in the Denver post tomorrow, Ill post a link of the story before I head out to work. There is a press release tomorrow also so it might end up being on other news media also

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Please let them know you have a few people supporting you by boycotting the mall.

We got pushed to next week, but I'm alerting the station of your story and I'm sure they'll carry it.

Has anyone organized a pot walk yet? I think we should walk on the mall with our T-Shirts next weekend. Anyone interested?

good luck! I was harassed repeatedly by the APD when I was younger. My parents' house was broken into one night. I woke up to discover it, things missing, my mom's purse all over the front porch...and the first thing those asshole Aurora PIGS did was blame me. I have zero respect for the Aurora Police. Stick it to them and that piece of crap mall. If there is a protest, count me in!

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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter

We got pushed to next week, but I'm alerting the station of your story and I'm sure they'll carry it.

Has anyone organized a pot walk yet? I think we should walk on the mall with our T-Shirts next weekend. Anyone interested?

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Hey Jake,

Not formally but I did bring it up around here a lil bit.

As I just told the other Jake in an email...

"From the looks of the boards RLC wants to do what I was talking about and a bunch of ppl wear pot shirts into the mall! Just an outstanding FUCK YOU if ever I saw one! ;) It would just be outstanding to see 10s or hundreds of ppl walking in from every entrance and have em just freak out. Nawww I'm not jus a lil spiteful...I'm a WHOLE LOTTA spiteful! Ahhhhhahahahahah. If we did, I'd like to see Rob inside the mall with us and Copwatch outside waiting for trouble. If it happens, I'm going to wear my lime green "Yes On 44" T-Shirt."


j

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Originally Posted by quagland

good luck! I was harassed repeatedly by the APD when I was younger. My parents' house was broken into one night. I woke up to discover it, things missing, my mom's purse all over the front porch...and the first thing those asshole Aurora PIGS did was blame me. I have zero respect for the Aurora Police. Stick it to them and that piece of crap mall. If there is a protest, count me in!

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Yeah, that's cause their not cops enough to find the REAL "perp" so they just pick any unsuspecting person to pin it on so they have a "collar!" Grrrrrrr SO NOT "LAW ENFORCEMENT!" Nazism, Fascism, tyranny but NOT "law enforcement" :mad::mad:


j

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Originally Posted by quagland

good luck! I was harassed repeatedly by the APD when I was younger. My parents' house was broken into one night. I woke up to discover it, things missing, my mom's purse all over the front porch...and the first thing those asshole Aurora PIGS did was blame me. I have zero respect for the Aurora Police. Stick it to them and that piece of crap mall. If there is a protest, count me in!

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i have zero respect for any of them 99% of them are trash..yes high pop i said 99%.....

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Originally Posted by throatstick

i have zero respect for any of them 99% of them are trash..yes high pop i said 99%.....

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Ok so High Pop is a leo, huh? I got the feeling he was a lawyer! No offence High Pop! :D:D:D Tho lawyers are "officers of the court" WETE that means.

There are VERY FEW good leos out there; very few! But, they are there and we only have to look to LEAP to see there are some who ARE on our side.

That said, yes the vast majority of them SUCK and not in a good way!!!

j

Ps Anyone know what a 1000 lawyers tired up at the bottom of the sea is?

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Originally Posted by justabloke

Ok so High Pop is a leo, huh? I got the feeling he was a lawyer! No offence High Pop! Tho lawyers are "officers of the court" WETE that means.

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I'm actually a teacher. (of government and civics, among other things) I try to say every three posts or so that I'm not a lawyer! I think it's ironic that some here accuse me of being an undercover cop, because in real life I'm anything but: I'm a tweedy liberal academic type with an ACLU card, a bicycle and an iphone. I don't meet a lot of police officers like myself.

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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum

I'm actually a teacher. (of government and civics, among other things) I try to say every three posts or so that I'm not a lawyer! I think it's ironic that some here accuse me of being an undercover cop, because in real life I'm anything but: I'm a tweedy liberal academic type with an ACLU card, a bicycle and an iphone. I don't meet a lot of police officers like myself.

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Well I ment no offence! In spite of the fact it was rather rude of me to say!

Well I invite you over to the "extremeist" side should you ever like. :thumbsup::jointsmile::hippy::pimp::lol5:

j

Ps The only entry requirement would be your belief in the fact that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy! LOL

lol @ bloke

Well its in the paper. Susan did a great Job. I wasnt sure if I was supposed to say who was representing me but Susan quoted some of the letter that Rob Corry wrote on my behalf so I guess its cool
Rob and Jessica Corry are really nice people that are all about the cause. They were very supportive and shocked at my story. Most lawyers would be salivating at the possibility of a lawsuit. Rob wanted to make this more about the cause. I thought that was very cool.

Heres a link to the story

denverpost story

good job!

THIS is what needs to happen! I'm proud of Jake and I've never met him.

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

lol @ bloke

Well its in the paper. Susan did a great Job. I wasnt sure if I was supposed to say who was representing me but Susan quoted some of the letter that Rob Corry wrote on my behalf so I guess its cool
Rob and Jessica Corry are really nice people that are all about the cause. They were very supportive and shocked at my story. Most lawyers would be salivating at the possibility of a lawsuit. Rob wanted to make this more about the cause. I thought that was very cool.

Heres a link to the story

denverpost story

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Yes she did. I noted a hint of sarcasm which I, personally, respond to very well. "He can easily go a year without The Disney Store or Hot Dog on a Stick."

I'm glad we have talented and open people like her on our side.

j

I really love Mr Corry's sarcasm and humor. The letter was a great read, and Fox 31 new will air the story tonight at 5pm. CBS also interviewed him but unsure when it will air.

Westword and Huffingtonpost.com both had posts, and Jake is on the top 20 storys atm that are on Huffington.

MedicinalColorado.org
Medicalcolorado.org recent put up the story as well

channel 2 coverage:
Marijuana shirt lands Aurora man in hot water with cops - KWGN

CBS just showed it. It was pretty quick, but reasonably balanced. They communicated that the potential legal action was about removing the ban and their policies rather than money. :thumbsup:

Fox news
CBS4 news

studdered a bit for fox lol. Im not a big fan of the interviews so far.Im not used to seein myself on TV.
I figured the police would make something up but saying I was cursing and acting out is stupid. We all know if that was the case I woulda got arrested. Ive never had a cop NOT write me a ticket there was grounds for. I think I might have said that it was bullshit but I did not curse out the mall employees and the police WERE there before I was even told what was going on.


Rob and Jessica along with SAFER Colorado would like to do a demonstration at the mall on Saturday 4:00. :P Could be fun

I just got a response to my email from Aj Coffee. It states, "we would like to clarify that Mr. Gailey was not asked to leave the mall because of his T-shirt â?? he was asked to leave because of his belligerent behavior." AND "Mr. Gailey got very loud and began yelling obscenities at our staff members causing a significant disturbance."

It appears this will be their defense.

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

Rob and Jessica along with SAFER Colorado would like to do a demonstration at the mall on Saturday 4:00. :P Could be fun

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Do you know where and suggested attire?

j

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Originally Posted by COzigzag

I just got a response to my email from Aj Coffee. It states, "we would like to clarify that Mr. Gailey was not asked to leave the mall because of his T-shirt â?? he was asked to leave because of his belligerent behavior." AND "Mr. Gailey got very loud and began yelling obscenities at our staff members causing a significant disturbance."

It appears this will be their defense.

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If Jake was that much of a threat to Mr. Coffee and staff why didn't they have Jake arrested on the spot and hauled off to jail? What Mr. Coffee is saying is that Jake was disturbing the peace. (when actually it was the Nazis like Coffee and staff who were) Could it be they started to realize a little late they may not have a leg to stand on? Hummmmm

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Sounds like Im not getting an apology from either of them. I was not acting like Mr. Coffee said I was or as bloke pointed out I would have been charged with something. If this does go to court I wonder if the video will come out.

I am sure that I wasnt "belligerent" and he knows it. There was over 100 people that saw this happen to me. I would like to one or two to come out and tell what they saw. I already said I was loud but I was not "yelling obscenities". I think I may have said something like "this is bullshit" but no obscenities were yelled at staff

I am general disturbed by the fact that almost every one of my public moves is recorded somewhere by someone. In this case I think it will prove to be to Jake's advantage. It will become clear that the police responded with the "back up" security guards and that he did not become loud or create a scene till they told him to remove or turn his shirt inside out.

It would be great if there was audio as well. That would prove that the police are not being totally truthful.

I stand by my son 100%. I will march side by side with him. If this is the direction our country is going in, the concerns I already had are compounding.

The bottom line is that offensive is too subjective of a word. I have worn my Ganja Cafe shirt in the mall and was never approached. This leads me to believe that their policy is not anti marijuana but that my son was singled out because he was not a middle aged gray hair woman. They probably never gave me a second look. They are profiling people of a certain age, dress code, and on occasion color. This is a discrimatory practice.

If the Towne Center at Aurora has a policy specifically anti marijuana shirts then why would they not stand up and tell the reporter that it was not allowed. Why was he told not to confront the reporter about the shirt? Was it just the reporter or anyone with an MJ shirt? These questions remain to be answered.

On channel 4 the reporter purchased a tee shirt at the mall and walked up to security and asked if the shirt was okay to wear. The security guard said I wish you would not but I have been told not to confront you about the shirt. So...they will not confront a reporter but a 28 year carpenter is fair game.

is there going to be a demonstration?

if there is, we're there, in our finest t's!

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Originally Posted by Reenster

It would be great if there was audio as well. That would prove that the police are not being totally truthful. .

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They may have aduio recording but I doubt it. It's hard to mic a large open space such as the mall. More likely, the cops may have been wired but usually when they are the recording device is in their patrol car.

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Originally Posted by Reenster

I stand by my son 100%. I will march side by side with him. If this is the direction our country is going in, the concerns I already had are compounding.

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Wow if you're adopting I could use a cool new mum!!! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Reenster

This leads me to believe that their policy is not anti marijuana but that my son was singled out because he was not a middle aged gray hair woman. They probably never gave me a second look. They are profiling people of a certain age, dress code, and on occasion color. This is a discrimatory practice.

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Oh yeah, they, for a long time, have been doing this kinda crap and getting away with it. Which, is why they are trying to get away with it now. I really :clap::clap::clap: Jake for being man and activist enough to stand up to this kinda crap. They (the mall and the cops) do it because they don't think people will stand up and say "NO! You may not do this to me!!!"

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Originally Posted by Reenster

If the Towne Center at Aurora has a policy specifically anti marijuana shirts then why would they not stand up and tell the reporter that it was not allowed. Why was he told not to confront the reporter about the shirt? Was it just the reporter or anyone with an MJ shirt? These questions remain to be answered.

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I would find it very interesting if they had in their Great Book of policies something in writing prohibiting one's Constitutional Rights. Or, are they arbitrarily making up "rules" as they go along for each individual they deem unworthy to enter their mall.

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Originally Posted by Reenster

On channel 4 the reporter purchased a tee shirt at the mall and walked up to security and asked if the shirt was okay to wear. The security guard said I wish you would not but I have been told not to confront you about the shirt. So...they will not confront a reporter but a 28 year carpenter is fair game.

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Again, I think they know they messed up and didn't want to do it again to a reporter who was potentially recording audio and video.

Right, I have to get ready for work.


j

Just contacted Spencer's Gifts and they gave me their attorney's voice mail. I was curious how they felt about the malls policies. I also asked how they would feel about their store being treated as 18+ only, since we obviously must protect the poor innocent children :stoned:. Left a message we will see if they contact me back.

If they are so concerned, and the stores that sell marijuana related items are in compliance with mall policy how can they be obscene? Does the mall then condone only the purchase of obscene or controversial material but not the actually utilization of those same materials?

Working at finding posting the list of all properties owned by Simon so we can avoid spending money in them everywhere. My question is how can something that is legal be so controversial?

I wore many shirts that would have been deemed much more offensive back in the 70's. Any of you old folks remember the shirts with Speedy Alka Seltzer but his body was a Rorer 714 quaalude? Or the better living thru chemistry shirt with Sigmund Fraud snorting cocaine? I wore those everywhere without issue. How can this shirt even be in the same league?

StoneyJake,

Do you want a copy of AJ Coffee's email sent to your attorney or yourself? You or attorney may be able to find an inconsistency within the email which may help your case. I'm not sure of the legalities of just forwarding it to you or your attorney. You may want to bring it up with your attorney prior to me doing anything first.

It basically says the mall is a family friendly place and you were not meeting the family friendly atmosphere...blah, blah, blah.

Let me know what you decide.

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Originally Posted by StoneyJake

Sounds like Im not getting an apology from either of them. I was not acting like Mr. Coffee said I was or as bloke pointed out I would have been charged with something. If this does go to court I wonder if the video will come out.

I am sure that I wasnt "belligerent" and he knows it. There was over 100 people that saw this happen to me. I would like to one or two to come out and tell what they saw. I already said I was loud but I was not "yelling obscenities". I think I may have said something like "this is bullshit" but no obscenities were yelled at staff

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I'd advise "Mr. Coffee" to shut their trap....defamation anyone?

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Originally Posted by COzigzag

StoneyJake,

Do you want a copy of AJ Coffee's email sent to your attorney or yourself? You or attorney may be able to find an inconsistency within the email which may help your case. I'm not sure of the legalities of just forwarding it to you or your attorney. You may want to bring it up with your attorney prior to me doing anything first.

It basically says the mall is a family friendly place and you were not meeting the family friendly atmosphere...blah, blah, blah.

Let me know what you decide.

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right on man thanks.Send it to me if you could, Ill save it and see what they say