IDK what I was thinking. Dirt sucks and is too much work. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
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IDK what I was thinking. Dirt sucks and is too much work. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
thats nice too.was that with only 2 weeks veg from clone too? thats a nice plant either way tho.what strain? i'll post my real plants when they are close to being done.like i said these i posted was a quick just for fun throw some really young plants in the flower room last min type of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorje113
After last week Im starting to no longer give a shit either Im so sick and tired of the bureaucratic bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
Why was my post removed?
no worries the thread had to be cleaned alil.guess your post got mixed in somehow.but i don't think it was ment to be deleted tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorje113
If you're curing for 6 months and trimming like you're OCD, sure, charge $250/$300/whatever you want! You're growing luxury buds, and I'm sure someone will want to pay that.
But you can grow medical grade buds for less. That's the challenge, in fact; maintain quality while increasing yields. Do it faster. Go, go, go!
While there is a demand for that "High-Times-centerfold" nug out there, there is a higher demand for lower cost meds. Seems like that's where patients are flocking, not to connoisseur growers.
"besides all that tho hey khyberkitsune i'll drop all im doing and make you my caregiver for 20 an oz of top aa buds.when can we meet up?i need around 4 to 6 oz per wk cause i only cook with it tho.im sure with how cheap you can grow it tho you should be able to supply that lil bit no prob right?let me know..."
Even better I'll show you how to roll an assembly-line SoG.
SoG! :thumbsup::jointsmile:
One other thing I was thinking about today is that High End Medicine will always be in demand and I really dont think it will really drop substantially in price.But regs will drop in price to about 20-30 1/8 in the near future.What leads me to believe this is the fact that it's already happening not in CO but CA I just spoke to a friend of mine in Lake County who agrees that there is a ton of outdoor medicine that still hasnt been unloaded from last year and it's down to 1500 p and no one wants it.Why because there are so many growers flooding the market with high quality indoor meds.Has this caused a substantial drop in dispensary prices?Not really 3.5 eights are still going for 50-60.
Smokey
$60.00 for an 1/8, not fair to patients. when we start charging $500.00 or more an OZ. we are no better then Big Pharma ripping off Grandma!Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyBandit
prices will be going way up at the dispensaries, you wait and see!
and THAT is when the rest of the card holders will find out what's happened.
I am officially under my state limit (patients and plants) with the new regs. This shit will play out, but for now, I suggest everyone play it close and keep it safe.
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Originally Posted by copobo
I think prices are going to fall, and fast. There are a lot of places that will need to close out inventory they can't account for, so that'll go cheap. Then you have the fact that dispensaries are going to be growing however many plants they want, so there's going to be a huge influx of MMJ.
Im not jacking up my prices or stopping freebies to my patients I have one more spot to fill and thats it.The one thing thats gonna suck is not having enough plant counts to still give away large amounts to people that need it but cant afford it for me thats what its about.Quote:
Originally Posted by copobo
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Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan
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Originally Posted by pappabear
I agree when marijuana become more legal the price will drop. However, if you really think about it is becoming less legal. This new bill they claim will shut down 80% of the dispensaries, it will limit caregiver to 5 patients etc. To me that is not making it more legal it is making it more illegal in a round about way.
What will happen is they will shut down all the mom and pop places, then the big money backed dispensaries "you know the ones that put money into Romers elections pocket under the table" will take over like wal-mart did then all the smaller stores that are left and caregivers that are left will be pushed out.
You must be thinking, well they cannot push me out....Well as my grandfather use to say.....money talks and bullshit walks.
Once they take over the vast majority of it, then grease a few more hands some time down the road, they will pass another bill, it will say something like. If you are a grower/caregiver you have to apply for zone, have to pass fire safety inspections, health dept inspections $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Or you have to have some type of medical training "something simple" maybe a year or two course to be able to give out medication. Because if you really think about it, they are calling marijuana a medicine and we all know to get medicine that is prescribed by a DR you have to be a college grad with about 10 years of college under you belt.
So, yes with the right laws they could put all of us out of business with a stroke of a pen and never change the Constitution
how much you think it will drop too?Quote:
Originally Posted by pappabear
[QUOTE]You reuse your dirt? My used dirt has plenty of salt residues. How do you amend it? I'm very curious about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorje113
Try wrangling 60+ plants in a 400 sq ft. greenhouse/vegging room setup with 20 x 1000W HID's in the middle of a winter with snowdifts 10' high around your grow structure. Free File Hosting Made Simple - MediaFireQuote:
feed them guanos, worm castings and not so much on the expensive liquid nutes. I'm figuring around $10 / oz, NOT INCLUDING LABOR. Labor is a big part of it, and is worth far more than co2, electricity, and nutes combined.
Labor is a large expense, especially if you have a small system. Mine is tiny, just 3 plants, so labor for me comes out to maybe $75-$100 / oz if I want to be reasonably compensated. So, lets just call it $100/oz for parts and labor. Going by general rules of business, I need to double the cost of production, so I need at least $200 / oz wholesale.
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Utility bills for my indoor grow were running around $1300.00 per month. Add labor (a full time situation with 60+ plants) and fertilizers to this and you've got a pretty hefty overhead.Quote:
$200 / oz wholesale is just my number, and I've been gardening since '94. I don't need to spend very much time or money relative to most growers with less experience and/or more complicated systems. So, those who think this is easy money need to think again. It's not as lucrative as some might think,
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and not everyone is capable of coming up with product worth selling for top dollar. This makes top end ganja more like fine wine, and we should expect to be paid more for it, but we do not. Certainly not in proportion to it's quality. I think there needs to be even more differential in price, I see a lot of lower quality stuff that should be a lot cheaper in dispensaries
"You reuse your dirt? My used dirt has plenty of salt residues. How do you amend it? I'm very curious about this."
Get a cheap soil testing kit that can tell you levels of NPK in your soil, and adjust from there. Cannabis is quite beneficial for most any soil it grows in. You can always flush out the salts from the soil as well before re-amending with whatever yhou choose.
Yes, it's all about keeping the soil balanced and happy. Most people do not, and by the end of the grow it's too far out of balance and they just chuck it and buy more. If you do it right, it never needs to be flushed either.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
When you learn to take care of the dirt, all these ($$$) fungus and bacterial additives become pretty funny... not only do people spend cash on new dirt, which isn't nearly as good as old dirt, but they are throwing out all these beneficial microbes in the old dirt too, only to pay lots of $$$ on these additives to re-introduce them. In my experience, the first run on new dirt isn't as good as subsequent runs, whether you use these ammendments or not.
There is also no reason to spend lots of $$$ on "high end" nutes, although I do use liquid ferts in the water at every watering. In general, they are only used at fairly low levels to fine-tune things.
Feel free to pm me for more info....
I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'm pro fire safety inspections. :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by cowgirl1
It is not uncommon for collectives to pick up medicine from growers at $168oz. Just like real estate, your property or buds are worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Oh, and the medicine is AAA beautifully trimmed nugs. so why in the world would they pay much more.
If your thinking of getting into the "growing business", think twice and very carefully. there may not be as much $$ as you think. Growing is not cheap, growing takes a lot of time and it does not always turn out the way you thought it would.
Good advise, grow for yourself, don't quit your day job. you'll save money and smoke way better medicine than can be found in a collective. :rastasmoke:
You have a good point. It sounds like you follow the laws and ordinance. I live in SoCal/South Bay area. LA and LB have passed ordinances to limit and control MMJ dispensaries. This will have the following effect for the following reason:Quote:
Originally Posted by cowgirl1
60-75% of the collectives, if not more, will be forced to close.
Competition, which drives down the price (patient prices) of medicine will be cut
Collectives will be forced to grow their own medicine shutting out any and all other growers to this "market"
Collectives will charge more for the same medicine because their supply will be controlled, monitored and limited
the "street market" will absorb only so much of the left over medicine until the price of medicine is a joke.
remember, a boat load of people now grow with more and more new growers everyday. say, 90% of them quit growing because they can't get it. that means that there will be at least 10% more growers cranking out medicine than there are today with zero collectives being able to pick up from them.
result, the price of medicine, meaning the price that a grower can get (wholesale) for their medicine will continue to drop and then rebound somewhat.
just look at the last 3 years, the price of medicine has dropped. Great, and I mean GREAT!! OG cost only $40 an eighth.
Great time to be a collective in the right location with all the proper paperwork. Bad time to be a grower trying to make a living (but not for some):pimp:
here's an idea, If a consortium of growers came together and started a collective they would be able to provide medicine to patients at a lower donation and pay their light bills, rent, and cost of all the equipment on time.
let me know when ya start the 50 an oz any strain.i'll be by..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
so you are for the gov walking into homes as they plz ?next thing ya know everyone knows where you are at and what you are doing?wow hummmm b4 it was abit foggy but the fog is clearing out.im starting to see clearly who is who in the zoo....sure if it was fed legal.sure if cops treated a break in at your house as fair as the rest instead of looking at you as an evil drug dealer..good luck with you're 500/1000 plants grows....Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
Firemen do fire inspections. I'm not for the government walking into homes as they please.Quote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
NOBODY should be allowed to inspect your personal grow!
A 1000W only pulls 9.8 Amps (120V)!! That's less than my power-saw (12.8 Amps) and about the same as a clothes washer!
Personal grow are NOT a fire risk, even in an old house. As long as one does their research it's OK. The problem is we have idiots who don't. And we already know we can't go around protecting every idiot from themselves or we'd have laws regarding everything!
It's true, and we already have laws defining what level of business is ok to run out of one's home. In most places, if the home is primarily being used as a residence and doesn't disturb the neighbors you'll be fine. I'm sure they'll define a square footage or plant count or both soon enough though.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
I think there's definitely a problem with people blowing up a house and not even living there, but a family living in a house with 12 plants flowering in the basement shouldn't be an issue.
As far as people doing electric mods to their own house, it's not illegal, but it has to be done right or your insurance might not pay if you caused a fire. You could be sued if its a rental, I'd guess.
wow someone lives in a dream world,you really think those firemen that are friends wil leo that are friends with dea won't say a thing?come on dude i know you have to be smarter than that...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
yup the odd thing is you see these same people bitching about veggie growers that have been setting up hydro grows for along time now. now all of the sudden it's a big deal....i guess the "centers" won't be happy until all patients are forced to sign them as caregiver......Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
another thing thats funny is these same "center" owners/mgrs used to have to by from the dealer on the street way back when.never was a problem to them then....i call bs when i see it and the bullshit thats popping up on these boards is just that bs.the only 1 i have seen that seems to be true blue and what they really stand for and who they say they are is greatful meds.
yup and thats where the saying"knowledge is power" comes in.you should never jump into something if you have'nt done your research first.for those that don't that is their fault u or i should'nt have to suffer and be exposed for the ones that are dumb in the world...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorje113
It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. I tend to think that the shops that do survive this mess will have trouble keeping up with demand. I suspect the ones that manage to stay afloat will produce less strain variety, and quality will suffer from the warehouse scale conditions. The stragglers will be out-competed and shut down by the big boys.
I also predict that A LOT of the extra meds from smaller-scale growers will end up back on the underground... I think it will be affordable, readily available to all, handcrafted, and varietal. I think that the amount available underground will, somehow, drive the development of some new mechanism by which caregivers get their overage into the hands of patients. Technically illegal, but effective. If patients want variety and quality, the underground may end up being a patient's most solid option. I see it generally decreasing patient census at dispensaries.
If this happens, I will feel bad for the local Colorado shop owners, while I will have no sympathy for the big box boys when their support of hb1284 eventually comes back to bite them on their collective asses.
It's just a speculative theory, but seems highly plausible to me.:rasta:
I think you can look at my post when i joined and wanted to move to CO. asap and what-not. Also saying how that prices are going to drop b/c no matter what quality, some people aren't as greedy. I mean it sells illegally around the rest of this country for damn near the same price. It should sell for alot less, b/c i would be happy making $160 an o and runnin a grow, Still would be around 75% return. Compared to the old 300%.
True, but most products retail for 4-6x the cost of manufacture. I agree MMJ does not need to be one of them, especially if there is no middle-man. Dispensaries provide a nice, convenient service, but are charging a lot. I think the new bill, which allows dispensaries to grow as much as they want, may bring prices down. There are a lot of BIG grow ops going up right now as a result of the bill, way more than the dispensaries can sell collectively, I'd bet. I'd also bet a lot of disp. grown weed will hit the black market too.Quote:
Originally Posted by cannamanibus
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Originally Posted by Dorje113
So I'm guessing dispensaries won't care about caregiver rights once this goes into affect? If they can grow as much as they want why would they need caregiver rights?
I believe they still do, but it's not a problem to get as many patients as needed to grow as much as they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamkadmon
You still have to be designated as a "primary center" in the bill, with your grows tied to that patient count. The question is how they will transfer primary caregivers to primary centers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamkadmon
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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
Ok, I get it now...their is no upper limit on patients for centers, thus they can grow as much as they want..how is that different than before? So, is there no provision for automatic rollover from primary caregiver to primary center? Also, are patients forced to choose a "center" and visit only them or will it play out the same as before?
Is isn't much different on the dispensary side. There isn't a rollover provision yet, the Department of Revenue will have to tackle that. If you want to visit centers then you need to name a primary one, however, you can visit any center just like you can now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamkadmon