"it's only the second reading" Keep calling you're reps and tell them you're going to vote them out :thumbsup::DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
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"it's only the second reading" Keep calling you're reps and tell them you're going to vote them out :thumbsup::DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
Did you happen to hear when the third reading was scheduled? I couldn't understand that fast talking speaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
No but I heard they have till next tuesday to seal the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by COzigzag
HB1284 Passes Full House on Second Reading
A Report by the Cannabis Therapy Institute
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{Denver} -- The Colorado state Senate today voted in favor of HB1284 by a
voice vote, with what sounded like only a handful of dissenting votes.
According to Senator Chris Romer (D-Denver), the bill's main sponsor, the
bill will eliminate from 50% to 80% of the current 1,100 dispensaries in
Colorado.
In a surprise vote, the Senate narrowly adopted Amendment 173 to the bill,
proposed by Senator Josh Penry (R-Grand Junction), which would eliminate
the sales tax on medical marijuana. Senator Penry pointed out that 95% of
prescription medicines in the state are not subject to sales tax. Sen.
Penry said it would be "inappropriate, crass and wrong" to take money from
the sick and disabled people who use medical marijuana to help fund other
state programs. Sen. Penry said, "This bill should not be a revenue bill."
Senator Romer said he did not support the amendment to strike the sales tax
because "we're not at the point that we are treating this as medicine."
Sen. Romer said that medical marijuana should be taxed "until we get
evidenced-based medicine" and "until it's like other supplements."
Senator Penry countered that Senator Romer "can't say it's medicinal on one
hand and then on the other say it's not medicinal."
The amendment was adopted by a vote of 18 to 17. Senator Romer, unable to
accept defeat, promised that he would bring the amendment up for another
vote at the Third (and final) Reading of the bill to see if he could get
the full Senate to again approve creating a revenue stream off of the backs
of sick and dying people.
HB1284 will now go to its final vote in the Senate, called the Third
Reading. This has yet to be scheduled. The Third Reading will require a
roll call vote, so the Senators will be forced to go on the record with
their vote.
Senator Joyce Foster (D-Denver) unapologetically pointed out that the bill
was not written for the patients, but rather for the police. "We're basing
this on the public safety model, and not the medical model. If we were
basing it on the medical model, it would be a completely different bill,"
Sen. Foster said.
"This bill seems like it was more about Chris Romer than about medical
patients," says K. Evan Rude, patient advocate for the American Medical
Marijuana Standards Association. "He didn't consult with any medical
professionals or disability activists or patient advocate groups. He
obviously had his own agenda going into this to make the medical marijuana
program a police state that will be operated only by well-funded
dispensaries with little care for the patients. The patients will now pay
more for their medicine and have their access severely restricted. This
bill is so restrictive that it is clearly a blatant violation of patient's
Constitutional rights."
The Cannabis Therapy Institute is urging the state to instead set up a
Commission to study the issue to make sure the needs of the patient are
foremost in any legislation and to make sure this complicated issue gets
addressed properly.
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I believe the third reading will take place as soon as tomorrow:(Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
This bill, and also Boulder city's proposed rules, effectively break up dispensaries into separate departments, which will cost small to medium size dispensaries/centers a lot more to continue operating (I've heard Under 100 patients=10k, 100-300=12,500, 300+ = $18k, State alone).
New Options Wellness is a good example: we grow and make nearly everything but a few edibles, so we would need to purchase a 1) Center License, a separate 2) Infused Product Mfg License, and yet 3) a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc License FOR EACH Growop location, for EACH, city and state! In our case, we grow a percentage too, but we value our multiple smaller growers who we've helped setup professionally, mainly in homes, correctly with great odor control and everything; they grow only for us and so we can tightly control the quality of the product, genetics, etc - this "Artisan" model works great, and our patients appreciate it and stay with us as proof. We make our own Tincture, CannaCaps, concentrates, etc and rent time at a commercial kitchen which also is used for regular food prep - this isn't toxic like, say, trans-fats, and we learned how to cleanup without a trace, when we were 5, I recall.. Most medibles we purchase from independents. SO, in our case and I'd presume dozens or maybe hundeds of others dispensaries who are also fully-integrated like N.O.W., it will require a separate License fee for each of these departments and each independent supplier even IF they are only growing/mfg for us exclusively - so who do you think will have to cough up any fees they can't afford? Last I heard for our medium size the State was considering a $12,500 License, and Boulder at $5000 - MULTIPLIED BY EACH DEPT, so for in Boulder it will be a minimum $52,500 with but a single growop!! Yikes, this changes the game.. IF we or the growers and mfrs have to purchase Licenses for each location, well you get the picture; these are very abusive fees. Does any other industry have to pay so much, and have separate licenses for each department of their biz? I was a builder and Mfr of custom wood products, but I didn't ever have to pay a separate license fee for building, finishing, installing, and selling the product; they're all part of the same business! IF the state and cities pass these rules it'll likely force a lot of "centers" out, or force them to take on equity partners to survive, or charge fees to independent growers to cover them; certainly someone making small batches of brownies will have a really hard time staying alive. The Walmartization direction this is headed will insure only a few are funneled most of the money, and they'll likely drive growers down and push retail prices up for the end-consumer. We would like to see a provision for smaller growers and/or CG's with maybe up to 20 patients get a full exemption from these onerous fees. We cannot afford an extra $4,000 - 6000+ per month, or even $1000/mo, without cutting out say our advertising budget or an employee, but they NEED to realize that MOST of these fees will get passed on to the customer in some way. Some might be able to afford these kind of fees and I've spoken to a few that flatly do not mind it since it WILL kill most of their competition. I'd like to see many smaller neighborhood dispensaries like mom-n-pop shops everywhere - or used to be everywhere, until the Walmarts and Home Depots came in and forced all the small shops out within about a year. Now we all get in the car and drive to distant centers, rather than walk to a more human-scale experience. It seems nobody wants Walmart in their backyard, but the BigBox's alway win out because they can afford the cost of influence. We have a chance to possibly keep the smaller shops around, but these License fees alone WILL change things - that's a ridiculous tax folks... Add up the costs for your little slice of this pie, and let everyone (who has some influence) know how these proposed License Fees are even WAY more than they first sound. Hammer this point!
Capitalism at its finest.... Love it or leave it I guess. I was never a proponent. I'm no Marxist, but I'm now starting to really see how Capitalism can NOT stand over time....like Marx said. Its just not economical in the long run. I wish I lived in Holland....Quote:
Originally Posted by NewOptionsWelln
JUST HEARD ON THE NEWS THAT THE WHOLE BILL WAS IN DANGER AS A FEW OF THEM ARE TRYING TO STRIKE THE 70/30 OUT OF THE BILL AND A FEW OTHER THINGS??????
HB 1284 did not pass the Senate officially. It only passed 2nd reading. They must have a 3rd and final reading of the bill and it has to go back over to the House because of the amendments the Senate added so it can be voted on by the House as well.
We're getting down to the wire here, friends. Our only chance to keep this from passing is persuade as many House members as we can for a no vote. Get/be on your phones all day tomorrow and day after calling everyone in the house and urge them to vote no. You don't have to be in a district to voice an opinion.
If there were good news; it would be that the Senate, repeatedly, acknowledged the fact that if this bill passes there WILL be litigation. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find some of our lawyers have already started the paperwork to file as soon as it passes. I think there are several points in the bill that could have it struck down by the court. I'm fairly certain that if/when this passes we'll be back before Judge Naves asking for an injunction.
That said, we do have lots of people (lawyers included) who support this bill and its passage. I don't see their point but I DO see their right to their opinion and to express said opinion...as long as I (we) win! LOL ;)
Yes, we do need regulation in the community. I'm sure we all know one or many people who should be regulated out of existence but we all shouldn't have to pay for a select few people who cause trouble.
I've been attacking this on the basis of math and fire.
If this passes, they will close at least half the disps that's going to put it into the hands of upwards of 20,000 caregivers/grows. With numbers like that, we will have fires. Letā??s face it, people make mistakes, or worse yet, don't know what they are doing.
The disps, generally, have been doing this or something close for much of their lives, how to do it, and do it well. Taking it out of the hands of the professionals who can take fire suppression precautions, security precautions and can do it in a industrial atmosphere to reduce the risk of growing is a bad idea no matter how you look at it. Then, to have caregivers growing it in confined spaces that pose more of a risk to fire/loss of life just does not make sense. Let the disps do what they do best, dispense meds in a safe and secure atmosphere. Don't force attic grows!
SB 109 did pass the Senate and IS on it's way to the Governor's desk to be signed any day now. While not as bad as 1284; 109 is still unfriendly legislation that will impose limits on MMJ.
I have audio from 2/3 (2ish hours) of the 2nd reading of the bill. As soon as I get it edited (to take out buffering gaps) I'll post it up on 4shared.com for any/all to download.
This bill will KILL if enacted! You can find the list of Reps here...
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cli...mbers?OpenView
Call every Reprehensive in Colorado all day tomorrow and Friday and tell this is bad legislation. That's our only hope.
Go go gadget Freedom,
just
that's great news if true, thanks for the ray of light.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
Oh, and just an observation...
Boy oh boy we're awefully politcally busy for a "bunch of lazy pot-heads."
j
I read this "If the bill wins final approval in the Senate, it must return to the House, which will either go along with the Senate's changes or opt to work on a compromise. Once both chambers pass the same version of the bill, it will go to Gov. Bill Ritter's desk."
Is there a deadline in which this must be done so that it takes effect this year? I thought I remembered reading something that mentioned if not done by a certain date that it wont go into effect until next year.
Thanks,
Mike
Is the 3rd reading the final reading then?
Hey Mike, This should be done and over with by the start to mid next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feijao
To my knowledge there is not. What I do know is if it's going to be handled like SB 109 it will go into effect as soon as Ritter signs it. They want to get these restrictions in place ASAP.
Hi Adam,Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamkadmon
Yes, I do think 3rd reading is the final reading unless what they send back to the House comes back with more amendment then the Senate has to revote on it and depending if it comes out with any/no amendments it gets tossed back to the house if there are, if not then it is either voted for or voted against. Lets hope for the latter but plan on the former.
Sadly, I think we all know how the vote is going to eventually come out. :wtf:
makes me wonder with ritter not being able to run again for office.if he made deals with people to rush this through so he can sign off on it to put the power back in there hands?maybe some old favors that needed to be taken care of? makes ya wonder.
to the poster that said this
If this passes, they will close at least half the disps that's going to put it into the hands of upwards of 20,000 caregivers/grows. With numbers like that, we will have fires. Letā??s face it, people make mistakes, or worse yet, don't know what they are doing.
The disps, generally, have been doing this or something close for much of their lives, how to do it, and do it well. Taking it out of the hands of the professionals who can take fire suppression precautions, security precautions and can do it in a industrial atmosphere to reduce the risk of growing is a bad idea no matter how you look at it. Then, to have caregivers growing it in confined spaces that pose more of a risk to fire/loss of life just does not make sense. Let the disps do what they do best, dispense meds in a safe and secure atmosphere. Don't force attic grows>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
this bill would shut these guys down more so.where do you think disp's get most of their product? this would cut that out only for a slect few.now i do know what ya mean about people that don't know wtf they are doing.but there are alot of disp owners that flocked here that don't know shit about shit just to cash in.so that goes both ways.
The 3rd and final passage of this bill is on the Senate Calendar for May 6, 2010 starting at 9:00 A.M.
Of course who knows when they will actually get to the bill. ;)
Don't stop calling your Senators!
As a patient, I'm actually in favor of the 70/30 thing in spirit... the percentages are just arbitrary numbers pulled out of their ass, but I love places that have nothing but in-house strains. It's prohibitive for a lot of places, but I enjoy knowing the provenance of everything in the store because that person (or someone they know and work with closely) grew the product. WAY too many times I go into a dispensary and there's some strain that I've never heard of and I ask them about it -- "Uhh, I dunno what it is really, they said it's 60% Sativa". That kind of shit does nothing for me, they don't know if it's soil or hydro, it's like talking to a jello mold and you get nowhere. It's fine if it's some strain that a vendor named themselves and have been growing forever, but they should know that information as well as how it was grown and tell that to the customer.
That said, some places have great regular vendors that would get cut out of the business or be forced to integrate with the dispensaries in some capacity, opening themselves up to all sorts of oversight that they may not want on what was essentially their personal grow the month prior. Places that can prove the origin of their product and how it was grown (and provide that info to the patients) are fine by me, but the vast majority of vendor meds are basically a question mark. I'd feel bad for the vendors if something like this passes, but what should really happen is that the "good" and verifiable vendors could be the 30% without having to really partner with one dispensary exclusively. I get what they're trying to do with it and agree for the most part, but it's still in the most ham-handed way possible, as seems to be the pattern with this bill...
Woof, this A20 Labs Coup de Grace got me rambling... good lord. :rastasmoke::thumbsup:
While I'm thinking about it; the below is an email I sent to [email protected] late yesterday. Feel free to email Paul with your concerns of fire as well.
Hi Paul,
Thank you for taking time to talk to me. Here are the figures I worry about. Keep in mind that they want to take Marijuana growing out of the hands of people who know what they are doing and put it into the hands of high morons who don't! While Iā??m not a grower; I do know the basics of growing should you need information on the process. I, also, have an opinion of why they are trying to pass HB 1284 should you like that as well.
No one really heard how many people are on the Marijuana Registry right now so I have to give you three sets and one worse than the other. These are bare minimum figures. You could easly tack on 2%-3% margin of error.
If there are 24,000 people on the registry right now that would figure down to:
144,000 Plants
4,800 Caregivers/Individual Grows
If there are 100,000 people on the registry:
That adds up to:
600,000 plants
20,000 Caregivers/Individual Grows
124,000 People on the registry:
744,000 Plants
24,000 Caregivers/Individual Grows
These Numbers don't include the 58,000 person backlog at the CDPHE who are still waiting to be legal. Those numbers are on top of the above numbers and break down to:
348,000 Plants
11,600 Caregivers/Individual Grows.
Now, sir, I'm not a Firefighter. The only thing I know about Firefighting is what a roommate of 6 months taught me (call 911). It seems to me that when you take a skilled trade like growing Marijuana out of the hands of the people who know how to do it and put it in the hands of people who don't, you're going to see a spike in the amount of grow fires.
Speaking of growing, the above numbers will only grow as the registry grows.
Please join me in being very worried. Yes, we must have regulation but not at the expense of the people.
Thankfully,
- just
LOL you ramble right on and I'll keep ranting right on as well!!! :thumbsup::D:stoned:Quote:
Originally Posted by MMJinColorado
Ugh I gotta plow my way through this hearing video tonight still... dunno if I can deal with looking at Romer's smug face while he cracks jokes on our tax dime again. Gotta get some headphones and settle in after Ultimate Fighter though ha.. It's like re-living a nightmare listening to these legislators who know so little about the industry rambling on and trying their damndest to ram this through before the session ends...
Yeah theres something to be said for "State Sponsored" Tyranny. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by MMJinColorado
Someone said someplace "yeah we need to vote these people out" but the problem with that is that for every one you get rid of there are 100 more just waiting for a seat in the Nazi chair.
so what you are saying then is you are not in favor of caregivers? only dispensaries? i have to just say i have been on canna boards all over for awhile now and these are all people that grow for the most part.it's very rare that i hear about a fire.more rare than space heater fires in winter.ofcorse if someone does'nt know what they are doing then they should stay away from it.but to say caregivers are a bad thing is like saying space heaters are bad should we ban them as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Justabloke
see when you have someone that hates what you are doing in the first place and you make a bill to where it points out who everone is as a patient.that gives them a rader to work with.umm sir you need to let us in to ck all electric.umm well this is all correct and safe but we have to write you a ticket because 1 we don't like you 2 you did pay out your ass to have these lights wired.oh and since we are here umm we don't like the way you raise your kids being that we don't like you because you grow we think it is not good to have kids if you grow.even tho everything is locked up tight as a drum and all and you are doing everything safe.
oh your a hunter too>? umm we don't believe you should be able to own a gun and grow too.it's against the law to have guns with a controlled substance.oh you homeschool your kids? umm your gow is to close to a school zone then + your evil if you don't want your kids brainwashed by whats taught in schools these days.
see how the door is opened over a bogus "anyone that grows in a small space is at great risk of fire"what bs. we better get to banning all the gas stoves out there too while were at it.
so leo should be able to just run through your house anytime they plz just because you grow in your house? what about all the veggie growers that have been running inhouse grows should they be stopped to? you would think with the numbers you are trying to push.that there would already be alot more fires reported in the country? do you really think all the growers out here just started? most of us have been doing this for awhile now.now im sure there are a few that just started most of which use a small setup 250w to 600w.
if i knew i was gunna have to give up all my rights i would have just stayed underground..and guess what no fires....wow
btw the with the 70/30 thing guess what say bye bye to all those strains you can choose from.you really think all these dispensaries grow most of what they have 30,40,50 diffrent strains lmao?they depend on the small guy just as much as the small guy depends on them.
If you agree with this last effort, pass this on immediately.
If your happy with this desecration of our constitution for greed....delete it!
VETO March on the Governors Mansion
Gather at the Civic Center Park 5-15 @ 11 AM
If we can gather a large assembly of people, 1000 or more we will walk to the Governor's Mansion. If only a few show up, we can just demonstrate along Broadway St. across from the Capitol. This is a Constitutional Right to Assemble for a VETO March!
As a Nationally Certified alternative care Naturopath, Master Herbalist, Homeopath and Holistic Nutritional consultant trained in degenerative disease and maintaining wellness for 33 years, I am appalled at the disregard
of the voice of the people to the Legislators and Senators of this state concerning HB10-1284 and SB10-109
I am pleading with everyone to call, email and fax letters to the Capitol. HB10-1284 must be stopped. Amendment 20, Article XVlll, section 14 of the Colorado constitution was trampled on by the large majority of ELECTED Officials today at the Capitol. If you are a caregiver that is not a dispensary, L.140 amendment holds you to NO more than 30 plants TOTAL for your 5 patients. Only a dispensary will be able to provide the needed access of additional medicine. I have been in support of a dispensary model, however this is over the top!
It was also very insulting to the patients of Colorado with degenerative illnesses to listen to the puns and jokes out of Romer's mouth, he even made a joke about the senators with MMJ licenses.......This was to insinuate why they were not supportive of this bill. Romer referred to more than 50% of dispensary owners are Thugs. Spence said she doesn't support organized crime, insinuating that the dispensaries that will be put out of business are the ones with organized crime money.
There will be a 3rd reading of this bill. This session is over next week!
Do Not Waste Time.........call, fax and email. This is an ELECTION YEAR Let them know if you are their constituent, tell them you are paying attention to the votes and you want them to VOTE NO on the 3rd reading!!!
If this does not get their attention, all we have left is to PICKETT the Governor's mansion!!!
Let's set a date of May 15th to organize at the Civic Center Park at 11 am. Bring Large VETO Signs with the bill numbers on them, bring every ADULT you can round up and let's walk from the park to the Governor's mansion and have a peaceful public gathering to send the Governor a loud and clear message!!!
We must mount an army of people for this. A few hundred to show up is not acceptable, we need a thousand or more to get his attention!!!
I hope that everyone will go into the voting booths in NOVEMBER and VOTE NO on every Legislator and Senator that VOTED on these bills passage to allow a monopoly to the large dispensaries and blatantly walked all over our constitutional rights!!!
Sincerely,
Kimberly Matteo, N.D., M.H.
303-835-2743
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
it's the guys with big money to pay these fees that are the organized crime people not the lil guy. this is something nobody has brought up either so i will.this will hurt that small guy that can't work no more because of degenerative disease and so on that is in to much pain everyday to really be able to work a job to pay bills.guys like this can tend a small grow and use what they need and sell the rest to the shops to sustain him through the next grow.this was a perfect thing to help keep them alive in many ways from meds to bills.this will directly hurt these people the most.this is the wrong thing to do for many reasons.im on the same page as g/m.and i have always thought like this not just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GratefulMeds
hey great i say people should call all their friends even out of state and tell them to call too.
[quote=throatstick]so what you are saying then is you are not in favor of caregivers? only dispensaries? QUOTE]
NO! I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm worried about the amount of people who will get into it whether or not they "should." The allure of money is pretty strong in this economy.
Accidents happen. People who arn't trained in setting up a proper MMJ grow WILL cause fires and loss of life. It's going to happen.
Give this to the people who know what they're doing and have the money to do it properly. Let them set up industrial grows where everything around the grow can be tightly controlled like fire suppression, security, ect. Attic grows will ONLY lead to a drastic increase in structure fires throughout Colorado just like in Mendocino County California. Then, they'd come back and say "see? We told you we needed to more tightly regulate this...look at all the fires!"
The fact that 100k people will need a caregiver will lead to a 20k person caregiver force growing meds in, on, and around their home...it will lead to fires.
That is my only point.
I will send this out to my few patients now and hopefully they will all be available to protest, some of their conditions make it hard to come out and protest though. We need young individuals protesting as well, just don't show up in a bob marly t-shirt and have dreads, it could send the wrong message unfortunately. My family and I will be there to protest no matter what. You all have my word on that!
Justabloke- Patients have the right to grow anyways, theres TONS of patient grows that are half assed and probably plenty with electrical hazards. Point is I don't see anywhere on the news stories about mmj fires. I have temperature alarms and monitor my grow closely. I take it really seriously, I couldn't do it all myself though. I have a monitor with me in the house where I can see the enviroment settings at all times. Not to mention I had an electrician do the little wiring needed and I have two fire extinguishers on hand. I never leave my grow unattended. The novices out there that have fire hazards in their house wont be able to compete with real caregivers, producing real quality meds. The fire hazards won't stay up and running long enough to even create a fire. I don't see it being nearly as big of a concern as you do.
Wow, this Romer guy is a total dick. I just saw some video of him and he's such a condescending asshole. It doesn't seem right that you can craft a bill to just drive a ton of people out of business!
Well I've had no faith in politics for a long time so it doesn't surprise me. I'm glad I can still smoke and I'm going to have to do some networking with people before they slip back underground!!
One thing that I have to ask... I saw some mention that somehow the registry will become less than confidential after this bill. Is that true for regular patients who don't register as a caregiver or anything? Will your name now be available for law enforcement to view at whim?? Please tell me this isn't true?
[quote=Justabloke]exactly pretty much what i just said you believe only the big boys should be able to grow.so anyone that does'nt have big money to own a shop it's danger to them as far as fires.i have been growing for awhile in small areas never once 1 fire scare. the point of keeping it all to the shops man i have to say i have been to many shops and alot don't even know what the fuck they are doing let alone run a grow.so that dog don't hunt sorry. do you really know how many people grow in their homes that are'nt legal? come on you have to be smarter than that. besides the fact that the state allows mmj patients to grow their own already.Quote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
yes i know leo will try to use anything to say see we need this or that.thats all a crock to take our rights away.we should'nt bow down just because of that.they will use anything,we could even go your route and take the rights away of the people and still they would find something else.and thats exactly what you seem to be saying since they will say this we need to take our rights and throw them out the window.what about people with fireplaces?,machine shops in their garage? metal workers? blacksmiths?
their are plenty of things you can buy to protect yourselfs.you see the new lil red fire tank you can hang in your room so if it gets above a certain degree it comes on and sprays everthing down?
I don't understand why they removed the taxes, unless it's a hope that now it will fail. I mean, I understand the whole "yay patient doesn't need to pay taxes now" but it seems like a HUGE selling point to the general public that this will generate taxes. It still will, but removing those sales taxes takes a significant chunk out of the cash flow in that direction.
agreed and no im not being a prick im just stating that these people will try to take our rights away with anything.i have been doing this for a bit and anyone that does this for real takes everything they do at heart.we don't half ass shit the ones that do will pay simple.im tired of people thinking because of these few people over here that are dumb then we all should suffer for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
yes very odd i say.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegetabongrips
The taxes thing was stricken shortly after it was passed according to this article: Medical marijuana bill passes Senate on second reading -- but obstacles remain - Denver News - The Latest Word
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Speaking of which, the last-minute flurry of activity included an amendment by Senator Josh Penry to designate medical marijuana as nontaxable at the state level. The amendment initially passed, but according to Brown, it failed in a subsequent procedure involving what's known as the Committee of the Whole, or COW in legislative parlance. In the end, he reveals, "sales taxes were repealed and then brought back half an hour later."
I'll be there, it's time to stand up for ourselves. Moments like this don't come around often.
So many of us have paid heavy heavy dues for using marijuana. Legions of good people have been arrested and have records that have/will follow their entire lives. Many of us have lost jobs or been forced to choose between a career or mj. Who among us doesn't hide our usage from family in some fashion? For how long will we continue to accept living in fear of being stigmatized, marginalized, arrested, or incarcerated?
Turbo, Your comments about the younger generations involvement are spot on. Let's hope there is a groundswell of young activism.
We as a constituency, young and old, need to quit with the Cheech and Chong bullshit and approach MMJ with a serious attitude. It's an oxymoron but we're victims of our own success. I truly believe that unless the way mmj is approached and marketed that this bill is only the beginning of the end. Please, if you care at all, show up.
If I, a 51 year old cancer ridden old fuck, can drag my ass downtown so can you. Give me a shout if you need a ride, I'd be happy to pick you up :thumbsup:
That's the shit I like to hear right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denvertoad
Mike
If you feel like thanking someone who was trying her best for our cause, Sen. Morgan Carroll was the only one at the hearing today who was truly advocating for patients and introduced a slew of very progressive-minded and positive amendments (all of which were summarily shot down by the other legislators, who clearly have no clue)... You can reach her at [email protected] -- I hope anyone who is fortunate enough to be in District 29 supports her whole-heartedly, as she went to bat for us today.
I got a response back a few minutes ago after e-mailing to thank her and she was clearly feeling frustrated by the process... it's clear she cares for the cause and the patients. Hopefully her spirit will rub off on some of the others and we can get a few more sensible amendments added to this thing (or some of the ridiculous crap stricken out).
I work at a disp. and this bill is bullshit. The people of colorado have spoken when they passed amdnt. 20. If they pass this we need to stick together and form a tight underground community so we can take care of each other and make sure we have the access to a verity of strains and to keep the quality top notch. I am tired of trying to play by the states rules because when you try to do the right thing and become legal they bend you over and stick it in you're ass. We the patients need to stick together because the state is not going to take care of our needs because of hb-1284. We must show up at the capitol the day this bill passes and also we need to show up early the next day and be ready to take the gloves off because they are not playing fair. The best thing that we can do is to create mass civil disobediance at the capital and be willing to go to jail for the night because if this passes it is time to turn this town up side down with protests and law suits. And for the disp. owners, we should take heed from greatful meds and refuse to pay theses bull shit fines. It is time to go underground and blow this shit up. they can not stop us. The ball is already rolling and the networks are already established so we will not go away and we will stand and fight. If this passes all the heads that are for real should have a meeting to strengthen our ties and so we can take care of each other. AND Romer by the way, you can suck my cock!!!!!!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Feijao
I have created the Veto March on the Governor's Mansion 5/15 @ 11:00 AM as a facebook event and will do my best to spread the word.