G13 Grow/ 400W HPS

took a few shots today while i had the girls out in the sun!!! this DVD/camera realy sucks for high quality color images. its a Sony DCR-DVD610, and the video quality is awesome, but sux ass for still images and its even a carl zeiss lens:mad:... oh well nothing i can do to get better quality pics so deal with it :), i have to. things looking good still, im just trying to figure out why the buds always get bigger and bigger untill around week5-6 :wtf: then they slow way down and quit swelling up. im 5.5 weeks in now and it seems like they arent getting any fatter, maybe its just me:stoned:, but it seemed like they did this each batch. my last harvests were cut short at around week 7. so since i heard that they realy swell up the last two weeks, maybe they will swell up fatter this harvest since they going the full 9 weeks this time:thumbsup:. can anyone confirm this for me?

well here they are...did anyone order a "frosty"? :jointsmile::D "Wendys" aint got shit on me!!!!:rastasmoke::stoned::pimp::jointsmile::D:D:D

make sure to flush the good before harvest. I flush for two weeks until the leaves start to get pretty yellow. This means that the plants are using all of the nutrients stored in the leaves. This is when i notice the most bud swelling and growth. If you chop them down too early then you really cheat yourself on quality, quanity, and flavor.


Your from Washington state and youve probably smoked some really shitty "Canadian weed". Its not actually from canada, its just from growers who cut it too early, sell it too wet,dont cure it, and dont flush out there ferts before harverst.

a good flushing is coming soon enough :thumbsup:

well thought id through on some music to the page so ya got something to smoke out to while looking at my log:jointsmile::rastasmoke::pimp::rasta::stoned:.. .arent i a nice guy:D

hope you guys like kid cudi...i think he's a good artist

well thought id update on the "From Humboldt"(Humbi) indica strain, plants 2 and 3. i took a few snips off number 3 yesterday as well so i took a snap of them too.

well her is the mother G13 plant. i LST'd it yesterday and threw it in the flowering room. ill take clones off of one of the outdoor plants when i need them. but for now the next batch is gonna be mostly the new humbi indica.

on another note, ill be getting some new strains in a few weeks(when they are ready)... im getting "Jack Frost" and some kind of "purple". i think i was told ill be getting 3 different ones but im so :stoned: right now i cant remember what the 3rd was :D so we'll just go with those two right now and ill update further more later on.

happy :smokin::jointsmile: all!
G13Budsmoker:D

...care to comment or advise at all?

hey wuts up looking good man. just wondering but how much did u pay for the 400 hps? im looking 4 a cheap place to get a 400 or 600 thanks

well as the title says today is day 43 of flowering and im getting excited. so im two weeks closer untill these girls come down and i get to enjoy some realy nice herb:jointsmile:...its been over a month since i last had some meds:mad:. so ill be all :giggity: when its all cured...

well here is a few more pics for ya, sorry AGAIN for the shitty quality pics, nothing i can do, this camera dont like the hps.

G13Budsmoker

here is some more!

well theres only a week left till these girls come down. 5 of the 6 are yellow and one still has all green so it might go a lil longer. but all in all cant wait to taste this harvest(they smell "fruity" and delicious right now it makes me :D everytime i check on them) since alot of major improvements been done since the last harvest. what makes me even more happier is knowing that they still have room for improvement with the following harvest and im alot closer to being 100% dialed in with a method thats bulletproof. next harvest ill watch the ph and ill be using a better soil mix with even more % of perlite and such for even greater drainage then the mix im using now with only perlite(i used it to sparingly). well ill probly update 2moro with some more pics, this time ill take them under normal lighting so tht the hps dont fuck with the quality.:thumbsup:

G13Smoker:rastasmoke::jointsmile::stoned::rasta: :D

well like i said, i took some pics this morning, this time under whiter lighting(bathroom was the brightest room).... so here ya go. let me know what you think

the last two pics are the same plant

here is the rest

They look like they want bigger pots.

yea man your yield will improve much more if you give the roots more room to grow.

im thinkn they were just stressed. the leaves were curled a lil bit for some time and i also noticed the leaves fringing up for awhile. very slow drainage leads me to believe that the roots were suffering lack of oxygen. and posibly salt buildup, but they never showed signs of nute burn, so im thinking ph was way off(i hadnt been watching it, gona go get a ph meter for the next batch.). and who knows maybe my digital thermometer/Digital humidity isnt acurate, it was only $5 :stoned:, so i might get a better one or just get atleast one more to cross check its acuracy.

i should be fine in these 1.5G, my friend uses these as well and he grows them to about 4' and gets a huge quantity off em. im using the hps for veg too and was only letting them get to about 1.5' before i switched them to 12/12, they stretched alot once i switched them. so im gona let the next batch get atleast 3' before i switch them.:D, keep an eye on the ph levels this time, and add way more perlite since i was using it way too conservatively and not adding much:stoned:. we will see.

G13Budsmoker:jointsmile::rastasmoke:

Wow 4' in a 1 1/2 gallon bucket? And here I was worried that my 3 gallon buckets might not be big enough... Move up to a bigger pot and I guarantee you won't be disappointed with the results. Furthermore, those do sound like pH issue. pH is difficult to control when the pot is too small for the plant. You will face sings up and down and eventually you will face lockout. Anyway, it will be interesting to watch. I hope you prove me wrong!

i used to think that it would take more then a 1.5G pot too, i started growing in 5G buckets but when i seen my friend using 1.5G pots and producing high quality and high quantity per plant, i said screw wasting the money on extra soil when you dont need it. yes 4' (giver er take) and he grows purple kush, ak47, blueberry, and a random indica, all which turn out very high quality and realy large buds. he uses a 400W MH and a 400W HPS tho for vegin and flowering in one tent.

so i know as long as ALL the conditions are right(hence why im sure its PH issue), these 1.5G pots are just fine for small trees. 5G buckets are for the outdoor plants. :D real "treees" :jointsmile:

That's all good information. I wonder if the smaller pots give you less room for error? That would be my guess and makes sense from what you are saying - so long as you dial it in properly and run a tight grow it is doable. Seems you would leave yourself vulnerable to pH issues and salt buildup. I saw a thread where a few growers challenged to see who could grow the most weight in a 16" party cup. As I recall the winner pulled out a bit more than an ounce. I'll be watching.

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That's all good information. I wonder if the smaller pots give you less room for error? That would be my guess and makes sense from what you are saying - so long as you dial it in properly and run a tight grow it is doable. Seems you would leave yourself vulnerable to pH issues and salt buildup. I saw a thread where a few growers challenged to see who could grow the most weight in a 16" party cup. As I recall the winner pulled out a bit more than an ounce. I'll be watching.

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i used dolomite lime in the soil, but i was afraid to add to much, so i dont think i even added enough to make a difference. supposed to not allow the ph to go above 6.5, but i didnt grind into enough into powder either when i added it in. so it might have released it to strong in one area and damaged my roots, causing lock out, which woulda made salt build up and effect my ph. ill have to look at the roots and see.

next batch ill crush the lime up into powder when i add it in, and change my feeding scheldule from feeding every other watering, to feeding every 3rd watering. so from (water-wait 2 days-feed-wait 2 days-water) to (feed-wait 2 days-water-wait 2 days-water-wait 2 days- feed-wait 2 days). this should reduce any build up and reduce lock out. and ill be watchin the ph so the next batch should yeild me more then this...but we'll just have to see. each previous harvest i keeped improving SOMETHING, so i think this next batch will be just bout dailed in 100% and provide a much better harvest.

i saw that grow too, i laughed when i saw a plant LSTd in a "party cup" :D

well its realy nice out today so i got all the girls out sitting in the sun and thought id take a few pics for ya.

first pic is of the two smaller ones and are about a week and a half in flowering.

second pic is one of the healthiest bushes of the group.:jointsmile:

third/fourth pic is the healthiest bush of the group.:D

fifth pic is another one of the healthier bushs:stoned:

few more of the others outside today in the sun

first pic is of the "mother" plant from which all the flowering plants came from, LST'd and still on the first week of flowering.

second pic is a bud shot of a lower nug, day 52 flowering.

third pic is the top nug of the 2nd pics plant

fourth/fifth pics are two of the three smaller not so healthier plants of the outdoor group.

please dont notice that i updated this thread with pics for the outdoor thread as well:stoned::D

G13Budsmker:rastasmoke::stoned::jointsmile:

:jointsmile:well all plants are cut and now hanging to dry. will have pics up sometime next week. looks like other then the one realy small plant that wont produce much, ill be close to my estimate of 1/2 oz a plant. overall im expecting about 2 1/2 oz's dried buds.

the next group in the flowering room as of right now is 1 G13 (the mother) and 3 Humbi Indica's (H-I from now on). i was thinking about grabbing one of the giant bushes from outside in the greenhouse and bringing it in(theyre gona outgrow my greenhouse if they dont flower soon) if i can make enough for it. the only thing is if i do, i wont have an even highth canopy anymore.

G13Budsmoker:rastasmoke::rasta::stoned:

well i decided today that i was going to bring in two of the G13 girls inside from the greenhouse because i still had room and dont want to waste any space. so now theres 3 G13 and 3 H-I's. i just transplanted some rooted H-I clones today as well. here is some pics after moving everything around and getting them all situated.

First grow looked good,... where's the final result before jumping into the second grow? :rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

First grow looked good,... where's the final result before jumping into the second grow? :rastasmoke:

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i didnt forget:D, just that most of it is still drying/curing. i took some pics of the stuff that was dry tho as i threw it in jars. total dry harvest numbers will be up sometime next week:jointsmile: its gona be pretty much like i predicted, 2 1/2 - 3 ozs.

honestly this stuff is somewhere just below other "highgrades". not as highgrade as my friends purple kush is, but its right below it. i still have room for improvement, this was kinda a "trial and error" run for me where i ran into a few problems, but its just about 100% dialed in. so the next expecting harvest should be even more enjoyable:rastasmoke:!!!

Yeah man I went through 4 grows before ordering some proper seeds and now I can't wait to start some serious genetics, so I can say, yeah, I am smoking White Rhino.

@ TP- well this was my 3rd attempt with the G13 strain, the first two were "trial & error" runs. well all my grows before this have been "trial and errors" actualy. either between trien to find the perfect growing medium mix, to heat and humidity issues, to improper nutients/buildup, to unbalanced ph, to bugs- thrips. all these have been issues with my previous grows, it was like each time i got one area dialed in, another area had problems. well this grow went pretty smooth, got rid of the thrips before it got bad but had ph issues throughout half of the grow slowing the growth rate im sure. i pretty much have all the kinks worked out now so im realy excited to challange myself with the next grow for better yields.

it feels good that each harvest has improved with better results. this only tells me that the "really good stuff" that im smoking right now still could be better. quantity will be much more when im not having ph/buildup issues and im sure the quality will raise a notch as well(even tho it is very high grade strain already). with this harvest atleast im proud enough with it that i can say "yeah, thats G13!"

... and the total harvest numbers are better then i had predicted. i thought there was no way id be getting over 3 oz's, in fact my guess was that id get 1/2 oz per plant = 2 1/2 to 3 oz's, but i ended up getting almost 3 1/2. total was 94 G's(3oz's, 10G's). not bad for what it is, as these plants were kept small for space reasons. now that i have most of everything dialed in, my main phocus for the next grow is using space/lighting most eficient to get the most out of my yeilds.

to all the new growing patients out there who dont have any experience, the best advice ill give to you is someone on heres signature(i dont know who it is but ever since i read it, its stuck with me)... "learn to grow, then learn to maximize your yield"- (i think is what it said. who ever has this sig, feel free to state it here again.) but its only when you've gained experience that you really realize how much and what that first part meant.

Yo G13, you got aim man, I need to ask you something in private :)

just uploaded a new video, under videos so check it out.

NUG SHOT UPDATE!!!!

well thought id take a few shots of the hairy candy we all enjoy:D...no not that kinda candy:stoned:, the GREEN candy:jointsmile: sorry again for crap quality pics but it does the job, i guess.

SMOKE REPORT!!!
while im smoking a bowl of this G13 i thought id give the official smoke report for this harvest. well we had a week of realy nice hot weather here when these were hanging so they dried a lil faster then i had wanted:mad:. lacking the strong odor(or might just be me:jointsmile:), i have to squeeze it to smell it. and i cant realy describe the taste, but its not bad and smoke is smooth. burns good, and the high comes on real quick, almost instantaneously. i give it a 7 1/2 out of 10 i guess.
smoke on my friends:thumbsup:
ill try and get a few higher quality pics up soon too

G13Budsmoker:jointsmile:

Looks tastey! Pics look fine, btw.

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Originally Posted by G13budsmoker

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Lol I've been hoping you would do that the entire grow. Nice nugs, been watching the whole time, just didn't look like you needed any help so I sat back and enjoyed. Have a good smoke.

-C

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Originally Posted by neceros

Looks tastey! Pics look fine, btw.

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if only you were here my friend:jointsmile:, thanks for the kind words...these pics dont do any justice trust me, looks far better in person(ask me how i know this):D. ill try and remember to snag a friends camera for a minute 2moro(takes realy good quality photos). the camera ive been using isnt actualy a camera, its a sony handycam DVD camcorder, and since it doesnt have a flash the image quality sucks balls.

as always, keep on smoking my friends:thumbsup:

G13:jointsmile:

Nice buds there! But I have to agree with some of the others about the size of those pots. If space was an issue, I definitely understand. I had to divide my single HPS 400 grow into a 2 grows, one of which is now CFL. Bigger pots will almost double that yield next time though. Either way, nugs look great.

space is my problem, hence why i was trying more plants in smaller pots. im trying to find the most efficient way to a healthy yeild with only a 400W hps and a 4'X5' setup. if i can produce more with only 2-4 plants in 5 gal pots then ill never go back to smaller pots. but i do know that these size pots are perfect for smaller, thinner plants up to 4'. ive seen WAY to may growers using these pots with great success. all im trying to do is find out first hand which will yeild me more. i honestly thought that more, smaller plants would be more efficient(acting like a SOG), than fewer, bigger plants. so thats why im trying this first.

Have you thought about scrog?

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space is my problem, hence why i was trying more plants in smaller pots. im trying to find the most efficient way to a healthy yeild with only a 400W hps and a 4'X5' setup. if i can produce more with only 2-4 plants in 5 gal pots then ill never go back to smaller pots. but i do know that these size pots are perfect for smaller, thinner plants up to 4'. ive seen WAY to may growers using these pots with great success. all im trying to do is find out first hand which will yeild me more. i honestly thought that more, smaller plants would be more efficient(acting like a SOG), than fewer, bigger plants. so thats why im trying this first.

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All you have to do is get bigger pots and give the roots more room to sprawl out. That alone will increase your yield. The roots are IMHO the most important part of the plant. They absorb the nutrients that create your colas, leaves, and buds.

More roots=more nutrient uptake=more growth:thumbsup:



You can also look into Low Stress Training as a way to increase yield. You dont have to veg for 3 monthes and train like crazy, but just a little bend here and there will help your plant bush out.

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Have you thought about scrog?

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actualy ya i was thinking of trying that next with all 1.5 pots, whenever i have the funds for it. im gona try 8 smaller scrog'd plants one time VS. 2 or 4 big ass mothers in 5G pots another time.

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You can also look into Low Stress Training as a way to increase yield. You dont have to veg for 3 monthes and train like crazy, but just a little bend here and there will help your plant bush out.

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i have used this method before and i was pretty happy with it. im actualy using this method on a plant right now as well. but the thing is im trying to save space, not make it to where i have less of it. my girls are bushy as it is with out this method.

thank you both for the input