Why would someone want to compete when they are competing within the very framework they doubted?
That's too bad for patients who use your site that you're not going to be reviewing CCF strains anymore...
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Why would someone want to compete when they are competing within the very framework they doubted?
That's too bad for patients who use your site that you're not going to be reviewing CCF strains anymore...
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Originally Posted by travisKR
You need to get your facts straight. For you to insult my shop like this is beyond unprofessional, its completly childish and it truly speaks to the character of kind reviews. I haven't contacted you because I have been extremely busy and to be honest I really have had nothing to say until now. I feel completly betrayed and attacked when I have done nothing more than give your representives free medicine. I knew from the beginning this would be trouble, I should have listened more intuitively to my conscious.
I was just about to thank you for the posting that you've been pretty negative and that it seems that we are trying to be honest. Why the edit?Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
Man, I am WAY to quick to admit that I'm wrong. Here's the original post and quote from CCF:Quote:
Originally Posted by KindReviews
Originally Posted by KindReviews
An A- for the Urkel-OG says this definitively, KR.com thinks this is above
average in a group of superstars, it stands on its own as an amazing strain
and should be acquired whenever possible. But it also says this, out of our
multi-reviewer team, reviewing on multiple occasions and under differing
circumstances we feel the Afgooey (Delta 9), the Blue Dream (CCH), the Hong
Kong, and the Skunk #1 (HC) all had more consistently strong effects than
did the Urkel-OG. Is that bad? No. Is it true? Yes - for us. We've
reviewed them all this exact same way. We are all in our 30s, we've all
smoked for 15+ years daily, some of us grow, we have different reasons for
getting our cards. If one strain makes all of us say A and another has one
A+, A, A-, A-, B, B it's getting an A- or B+ (and would probably be
re-reviewed just on that question, A- or B+).
Bryan/CCF response:
I would love to take any of those strains mentioned and put them next to the urkle og and see what patients pick!!!!!!!!!!
So, I told you KR, he never was up for this challenge. It was basically your concoction. Like I said, we had questions about your rating system and then you go and create this competition where you stack the deck and pick strains that you know can hang with the Urkle OG!! So, I'm gonna have to say that you're the one who is full of shit my friend!
EDIT: KR, I edited that post because I had second thoughts when you just lied to me!
Actually Bryan, we don't have a vendetta. I reached out to you personally so we could talk for real, not post and post and post. We liked your UrkleOG, we were happy we'd be able to offer your "stable" to our KR.com readers. I'm still open to it - lamp has posted real lies about us so that's is WAY not cool. You've only argued and disagreed, nothing that can't be overcome in my opinion. The only issue is when I email and call and leave my cell number for adult conversation about how everybody in the MMJ community can avoid the negativity that was fostered in this forum, by us (both KR and CCF) you balked.
The two strains that got suggested were two that we know we could get, grown by same grower and from the same shop that we reviewed previously. The ego is small over here, Bryan, I promise you. If KR.com's curve is the exact opposite of the 3 largest competitions on earth I won't be mad or hurt. They are our opinions, just like every review and just like yours. We take cross sections to increase validity and sample opinions to provide a breadth of information for our readers. We think that's a good thing. So if you still want to do a cup we are in, and not to prove ourselves, there is nothing to prove, our opinion won't change. We will do it because it will be fun, and should get good people together to have a good time.
Too much
As far as the lies from me, read the post right above yours :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
You KNOW you can get Banner?!? It sells out in an hour! They tell patients to just keep calling back if they want it... maybe they'll get lucky. People wait in line before the dispensary opens to get Banner. There's people on here who've been trying to get Banner for MONTHS and cannot... :confused: I'm not even going to raise any more questions about how you get Banner so easily!
I'm done in this thread.
We reviewed your strain, gave it a grade we believed in and would stand behind, and explained what we thought about it. We even opend the kimono and explained our bell curve, our policies and rationale (stuff many other sites will no doubt start incorporating into their models) and opened dialogue. This forum found you, FarmerSteve and Lampost specifically talking shit on KR.com, our motives, and our veracity. That was the foundation of everything since. Ironic that you feel attacked and betrayed. That's why I called you twice, and emailed you - to discuss that feeling and get back to a human level. Here is the exact email: 3/26/10Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
"Hey Brian,
I just talked with your mom on the phone, very nice lady. We havenā??t met yet, I believe you met my brother and one or two of my staff. I just wanted an opportunity to chat on the phone or in person because I recently read some of the forums and I must say I was quite surprised at the overall interaction. I think that maybe the two of us can communicate at a little higher/meaningful level, as the last thing I will let happen is to lose relationships with people inside of the MMJ movement or scene or what have you. As a patient and an attorney, people are all that matter, and since you belong to that group I want to ensure positive relationships. Are you open?
Best,
Travis
KR.com"
I don't know what else I could have done, Brian. I really wanted, and still want, to meet with you personally one on one. I like people, almost all of them and I find it hard to believe that we couldn't find common ground and assist the MMJ community. I just coudn't allow people to question our veracity. We've explained our motives and gone over and over our advertisers, they are in plain sight and so are all of the grades those shops have received. It isn't a secret.
We called and Jason was available, we asked him if he'd have Banner available if such and such could get orchestrated. He said, certainly. WAY CRAZY.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
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Originally Posted by travisKR
Anything you need to say to me can be sent in an email or more preferably posted online for everyone to read.
So your answer is, no, you are not open to relationships and finding common ground. I wish it were different, but I will respect your position. I won't bother you any more, and I apologize for offenses and transgressions of the past, both mine and anyone representing KR.com. Our best wishes to you and yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
What kind of realationship were you hoping for after you disrespected, insulted and slandered my dispensary and patients ?Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
Best of luck to you Bryan, I wish we could have worked through this like professionals. The door is always open.
Are you insinuiating that I have been unprofessional in this matter? You have the audacity to attack my shop (after recieving free medicine), then can't even muster an apology when you realize your cries are untrue and you claim I am the one being unprofessional? Real classy fellas...Quote:
Originally Posted by KindReviews
You're right Bryan this was very professional. We have offered many times to return the 3 other strains (around a gram each) you gave us as they won't be reviewed. We tried to contact you and you refused. And we left the whole thing alone until you posted the above statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
But you DID give it an A :D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by KindReviews
I did, and am.Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
[/Quote] Even with all the negativity spewed by CCF and their ilk [/QUOTE]
Nonsense!!Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
I showed you NOTHING but a persistent attitude based on OBVIOUS issues with ANY sort of weed rating system. If you want to call names, at least be a man and dialogue before you get snitty. Damn it, I AM NOT trying to turn this into a feud. HOWEVER, educated and enlightened individuals NEED to be able to work through things together without acting like a bunch of 5th graders. Damn Americans we all are.
So look, let's take a breath, ALL of us. I don't have time to read all of this but KR, since you have now openly taken a personal shot at me, maybe you could be so kind as to actually take issue with one of my points and talk about that. Because I'm not seeing any of that. Let's start here.
1. I doubt any of you have a pallet like I was born with and have spent 10's of thousands of dollars training in everything from wine to cheese to different types of cinnamon. I'm a mutant, and I work at developing the gift. Anyone ever spent an afternoon blind taste testing different cinnamon? I have, and do, it's a love of mine. I don't eat fried food or refined sugar, or any one of several other taste robbing "foods".
I then put my money where my mouth is and said that I would openly accept a challenge to said pallet using the only accepted standard I could think of. If you can think of another one, please let me know. The bottom line is that I simply can taste things that 9,999 out of a thousand cannot. And I can explain them. So, really, KNOWING what I KNOW, why should I believe people who say that their credentials are, "We've been around it for a long time"? Has anyone who is an accepted EXPERT ever told you that you know what you're doing?
This isn't just at you KR, but the whole process reeks. Bryan and these guys see it from one perspective, I see it from another.
I am willing to have anyone's pallet put against mine. We can go to a brewery if you want, as long as their in house rep or the brew master is there. We can write down what we each taste and have him look at it. He KNOWS what he's doing when he built the beer, and he KNOWS what's in there. We'll see who understands what and who should be telling who what something smells or tastes like. Fair enough? Again, money and credibility where my mouth is. That USED to be the American way. Now it's all built on the show and credit. I'm like Missouri, "Show Me".
Question is, if I can taste it, and I know most all of you can't based my layman's understanding simple genetics, and my reviews don't match up to yours, why should I not say something? I'm not trying to sound like a prick, but I know what I have. And are we not community? Do we not all have a right to speak if it with love and charity?
I don't deserve to be called names for merely pointing out the flaws in the system.
I'm sorry Steve.Quote:
Originally Posted by FarmerSteve
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Originally Posted by KindReviews
I went through the trouble to give you samples to review. Now you cant even be bothered with it because you all got your feelings hurt. Thanks for ripping us off for nearly a quarter of top shelf medicine. If you really had any integrity you would come pay me for the medicine youve wasted. -B
Brian, the only thing that has been opened is the UrklexOG (and Diesel Dawg was reviewed, sorry I forgot about that one). I have the samples in hand and have been asking for you to call me and meet me so I can give them to you and actually talk. Would you like me to drop them off for you/to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
I am still willing to move forward, and would love to be bothered with it, but we covered that earlier in this thread and I'm respecting your position. I won't pay for what I'm not smoking, but I won't waste or steal your medicine, that's on my kids. I'm also willing to donate it, as we do for some of our leftover samples. Just tell me, and I'll comply.
Its already wasted. I wont put it back on the shelf and im certainly not going to smoke it.Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
Okay, I'll donate it and send your store the receipts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
This made me laugh!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
Dave, thanks for a smile. I laughed after I re-read that too. Casa Bonita!Quote:
Originally Posted by davo420
Restaurant critics don't tell a restaurant when they go inside because then their review would be inherently biased...Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
you guys should reconsider identifying yourselves and asking for free medicine, that is just F$*(&U$ up system in the same way!
Yeah you can do that but yal cant bother to actually do your job. Im just glad this is public forums so everyone can see you all for what you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
Ditto :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
I don't appreciate being called a liar. That's not very professional either... err I guess it is for an attorney.
Oh yeah, that's why you twisted words to say that I lied about this 3-way challenge:Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
This was the truth and anyone can go back and read it in the CCF thread! You guys are as honest and unbiased as any lawyers I guess...Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
Only 2 gram samples? I think we see that's not the case either...
Just let it rest and take comfort in the fact that no one else even cares about this thread or cannabis.com for that matter! I'm sorry I started this...
Isn't that the point of a legitimate competition..??Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
Stack the deck? You should want to beat the best of the best. Not a layup against a bunch of brick weed.
Yeah, that's not the point. Go back and read the other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by davo420
It was a question of the KR ratings system man. A few thought the Urkel received an unfair grade and suggested a test of the rating system, not a competition. A test of the rating system would've best been accomplished with a random A strain and a random A+ strain to compare to the Urkle OG which was an A-. When KR is defending their own rating system and picks two uncontested A+ strains (ones they got right) to go up against the Urkle OG... I don't feel that's an accurate test of their ratings system. Do you? It's a competition for sure, but that was never what this was about. No one ever said the Urkle OG was the best herb around, just thought it got a bum rating. FUCK, read the thread, I'm so sick of this...
Thanks KR. I too want to apologize for the way that my passionate remarks could have affected you. I do NOT want to be the cause of anyone's stress or anger, at least if I can help it. I should have been more gentle. I stand by what I said, but I believe there was a better way to deliver the message. I will work to achieve these ends in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
At the end of the day, I think you may very well be serving a purpose in the community. You've now heard from 3 people who are insanely passionate about extremely high grade marijuana, and as you said, you've made changes. So you learned. Bryan learned to follow his gut more (not that you're crooks, but learning to listen to one's True Self all the more is a blessing to anyone) Lamp learned a few new angles on the whole game (as did I) and I learned that it's better to just keep my mouth shut sometimes. I come off sounding like a prick. But at the same time, it's cool when Bryan's mom tells me tonight that she now picks up a taste in a strain that I pointed out to her last time. That feels cool, to bring awareness where I can. Open life up. So we all learned, and if we learn a real lesson from ANYTHING, it's never time wasted.
I just want to help. As I think we all do. Let's not tear each other apart. Some of my redneck friends back home are ready to come down and shoot all of us "queer ni%%er loving (Obama) pot smoking hippies" (This is an actual quote from a real person. This health care crap set people off) So let's remember that we're on the same team, and that our situation is precarious at best right now. At least let us have the good sense to fight AFTER legalization has come true. THEN we can scrap it up if need be. :thumbsup:
BUT, let us also admit mistakes and expose flaws, and if we all can be humble enough and dedicate ourselves to the cause, then it will all work out. KR, why won't you speak to Bryan on here? I never attacked you. I just called the SYSTEM trash, which I stand behind vigorously. Maybe we can figure out a way, from our own unique point of views, an excepted "rubric" of scoring, if you will?
I speak only for myself, but why not? Are we all so thin that a little scrap amongst Free American men has us chucking the bit and going home?
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Originally Posted by lampost
HA HA HA HA HA!!!! :)
There are quite a few people who read this, and I think if I had a business, I'd care about the reputation ANYWHERE. But yeah, this isn't "9NEWS" or The Post.
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Originally Posted by lampost
Holy shite you're killing me man.
Steve, thanks man. I agree with you. AS an individual I have no issue talking, arguing, disagreeing and then agreeing to disagree. I think the main issue here was taht both myself (and brother) and Bryan have business we started and care about - believe in. Reputations get called into play and obviously things become defensive. I wish I would have listened to my own advice I give so many clients, avoid emails, avoid written items in confrontation, find a phone and touch base with the human. I should have just stopped into CCF last Friday, shook hands and apologized for anything negative.
Also, we are looking everyday for further objective items to add to our reviews and we've got a few pieces in the works. As those come out I'd like your opinion again, it's clear you'll give it honestly ;)
I'm a lifetime student, if you have desire to teach scent or taste I'll have time to learn. My brother had been a chef for about 10 years and worked a lot on his and has taught me things, but everyone has different areas of knowledge and I'm curious to add yours to the mix (of what I can).
Lamp, I'm sorry that I instigated any furtherance of the topic. I also want you to know that I wasn't desiring to come at you when I said here is my info where are you. I guess that was a reaction to the feeling that I didn't know anyone who I was arguing with. Bryan had met my brother and another one on our team, but I couldn't get in touch with him and everyone else just felt like ghosts where as anyone reading this knows who I am, can look me up and will eventually see me if they own a dispensary. I apologize if that came off as aggressive. I'm glad I know how you feel, because now I have increased standards and our team will work very hard to elevate our value add to the community.
To all a happy Spring!
A, A-, A+ ???
Honestly it's one's personal preference!
I've tried some cannabis cup winners that I think are nasty tasting and can't stand their effects (white widow comes to mind). I've tried WW over & over again, from different growers, heck different countries even. I still have no idea how that (what I think is crap) has ever won anything except maybe the best material for compost! Hahaha!
I think it's hard to judge a particular strain from a particular place unless that place has multiple grows under belt, growing that particular strain the same way several times. It seems to me that most of these places are still in their infancy when it comes to growing. Sure maybe they have be growing for years for the black market but in the same way they are now, same strains, same grow areas? Probably not.
I would like to see dispensaries do something like wineries do - date their product. Maybe have the harvest date so if a patient likes that particular strain & harvest date - they can "stock up" on it. Or maybe give out the number of runs they are on for that strain (something like "StrainName" Run "#". Maybe the day will come when every strain harvest is uniform but I don't think we're quite there yet.
I'm just so tired of going into countless places and seeing product that is obviously harvested early and dried/cured too quickly.
Anyway, I do really appreciate KR's reviews as they at least perk my interest in checking out yet another place. I hope when he does his reviews, it's on strains that particular place is well stocked up on. Would suck not to get the same batch the review was based on. And I always love looking at nugget p0rn too! :thumbsup:
Very interesting that you bring up wineries. I recently saw a news piece regarding the possible legalization of Cannabis in California, and the marketing companies are already considering how to package and market. Several people interviewed mention that they felt the best method would be to market it like wine. Taste, smell, effects, region and harvest date would all be a factor.Quote:
I would like to see dispensaries do something like wineries do - date their product. Maybe have the harvest date so if a patient likes that particular strain & harvest date - they can "stock up" on it. Or maybe give out the number of runs they are on for that strain (something like "StrainName" Run "#". Maybe the day will come when every strain harvest is uniform but I don't think we're quite there yet.
Guess great minds thing alike :thumbsup:
Really, I'm interested in what you think about testing the strains anonymously... by asking for free weed when you walk in a shop you are basically requesting a bribe, even if you don't see it that way. Strainman does not reveal his identity until after all purchases are made... similar with other critics in other fields.Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
Its because the cannabis cup gets bought every year. Just like most any other event that is sponsored by its contestants.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan