Maybe 2 bulbs will do for now, nurse it back, slowly add lights as it starts looking better.
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Maybe 2 bulbs will do for now, nurse it back, slowly add lights as it starts looking better.
She seems to be doing great. Lower light is off already, and I'm seeing a bit of new growth already. Mabey I'm being impatient, but it seemed since there was zero drooping, and new growth I'd re-up the lights this morning. Now there is considerable growth today.
I did a bit of figuring since I have never really kept track of how long it has been, and I'm at about 6 weeks. The first 5 1/2 weeks were just the 12 hours of sunlight we had here, and just put her underlights about 4 days ago now on an 19/5 schedule.
Looking ok for a newbie?:)
Thought I'd post a shot of my little cardboard growbox. I had the lamps a bit closer, but thought I'd keep them higher for a few days for the roots (less light?). Monday I should be getting my reflector with the 6000k, and 2700k lamps, so I'm going to squeeze it in just above the hanging cfls. As it grows up I'll move the larger reflector lamp, but keep the 26w ones about where they are.
Sound about right?
Looks great! :thumbsup:
My only thought is,.. It looks like your in a 6 inch pot. Is that correct?
I ask just because I started mine in a 6 inch. It needed re-potting about a month in, and was about the same size that yours is now. I noticed the plants leaves started to droop a little, over a few days it got worse. turned out I was root bound.
So watch the droop for signs of that, It'll also seem like the water just runs through the pot.
I added a before recovery and after shot too.
Thanks.
Apreciate the heads up. Close, it's an 8" pot. I had to repot because it was in a larger pot that the soil wasn't drying out in enough, among many other newb problems like soil, bad pot, too big of a starter pot. So I placed it in this one. It never drooped more than a leaf or two. I'm planning on sitting it in a bigger pot as soon as I see some roots poke out the bottom.
Also thought I'd mention this. Mabey you can't tell in the shot, but it isn't drooping at all right now. I've been doing some elaborite LST, and just did a little tie down session a few hours before the shot.
have you thought of paintiing your box flat white...or some mylar will reflect some of the light back into your plants....that box just eats the light...it will brighten the place up quite a bit with a fresh coat of paint:jointsmile:
Ah, I see. Deceptive shot, leaf looked droopy and was freshly trained. Well like I said looks good from here.
Another thing to watch for when doing LST with string is tieing it to tight. I left a tight string on my main stem to long and it kinda strangled it until I noticed and removed it. I added a shot of after it was removed. You can still see the strangle spot through the leaves in the pic.
I ended the issue by tieing a loop in the end of the string then doing a loop around the stem. then the knot itself keeps the loop loose allowing the stem to thicken unthreatened.
That last post was my 420th! :D
Thanks guys! Yeah, I only had about 3/4 can of flat white spray, so I got as much coverage out of it as possible. I am planning on getting another can and doing another coat, but again the picture is deceptive. It actually is fairly white :)
Yeah Vance, I had read that about you in another thread I think...mabey this one? Anyway, I am getting around that by tieing one end of the string to the bucket, looping around the plant, cinching down, and then tieing the other end of the string to the bucket also. Thus making one large loop that only holds the branch around half the stalk so it can grow unrestrained.:thumbsup:
So I have everything setup....sort of. I'm kind of running into a heat problem that mabey someone could give me a tip on. So now I have the 200w cfl veg bulb, and the capability to have 4 26w cfls on the sides. I have them off for the moment though.
I keep burning my plant. When I have it closer than 6" it starts to burn, but I've read with cfls that is the furthest away I should have it. If I turn on any of the 4 26w cfls it really starts to burn.
I just havn't found a happy medum yet. Either that or I am doing the venting wrong. It does get WAY hot in there sometimes.
Any ideas to mitigate the problemb? Thanks guys!
I think you are burning them with too much nutrients. Putting the lights closer is making them suck up the nutrients, and that's why they are burning. I'd flush with plain ph'd water, maybe 1-2x the amount of water in relation to the pot (if in 2 gal pot, flush with 1 to 2 gallons of ph'd water)
You'll need an exhaust fan (or a stronger one that you have now, not sure if you do) to get those temps down. A few computer fans or even a bathroom fan from the hardware store will do the job.
I agree with Bigtopsfinn, You might be nute burning, not heat burning. The only way I've seen heat burn with my CFLs is to have them actually touching the CFL.
You want your grow space to sit in the 70-78F range roughly. So if your box is getting to hot then add fans on the top of the box(blowing out). Then drill vent holes in the bottom(because heat rises).
That will also pull more CO2 enriched air through the plant/s, while keeping it cooler:thumbsup:.
I don't really think it's nute burns. I havn't started using them untill just this week. I'm using Fox Farms, using it at about 1/4 recomended strength, and have only added it for one watering. Other than that this girl is 100% au-naturale :D
I don't have a thermometer, but I'm fairly sure it is getting up into the high 80's in there at least. I'm thinking it is just my blower engineering because when I open the front of the box I get blasted with heat.
I think I'm going to try getting that black fan up a bit higher, possibly making a vent tube of some sort, and getting some vent holes in the bottom.
On a more positive note, I checked the PH of the water that came through my soil yesterday and it was spot on. On top of that, after adding the nutes I saw some explosive growth, even with the burning going on. I'm happy with this grow as a learner, but am thinking about getting some of these comming for my next try.
Yea those temps are way to much. Somewhere in the high 80's, like 85-88F and the plant stops exasperating(might be the wrong word:D). From what I understand, it ceases taking in or out gassing as a protective measure to retain water. Thus it stops growing, and leaf tips can suffer as the plant can't deliver water to the tips fast enough.
All you need to do is add some sort of small fan to pull air out the top of the box. Then some holes near the bottom for fresh intake. Even the fan you have in the box aimed at a hole would likely help. However a computer fan or something similar is best.
I'd agree though, it's less likely to be nute burn(but still possible). Likely it's heat stress.
Thats a bit puzzling to me, because it is still growing. Fairly fast infact. Mabey it is getting a nute burn also? I'll try flushing it at her next watering to see if that helps. There was a small amount of used coffee grounds in the soil I origanally used. Perhaps it is still kicking out a ton of N.
Do a little of both.
Don't actually flush, just water with straight water a couple times, then try nuting again.
AND try to keep those temps in the high 70s if possible.
As fast as these things grow, it'll be no time before you can't even see the few damaged leaves through the thick new growth.
...cuz they have such lovely shite at such loooovely prices. Whilst browsing in my #3 dolla sto, I found some cheapie wood-and-red-ammonia thermometers... that seemed to agree with the digital one on the wall, and didn't look too beat-up...
bought one for SeedCloneLing Land... and the best part...
It only cost me a DOLLAR.
Gotta love that ;) Still looking for my one-dollar hygrometer that isn't pure shite!
As for my own first grow, I solved a heating issue by adding three 12v muffin fans I bought at my local electronics supply surplus store, along with a 12v, 2a plug-in adapter that wasn't even polarized. I wired 'em in with some shitty speaker cable, and made sure that they were 'forcing' the issue around the edges of my garden, while pulling heat up fast.
Runs around 78-81 now :)
(c)C :chainsaw:
Yeah, I know. Thermometers are dirt cheap, but I live out in bum-f*^k-egypt where we don't have those kind of stores. The nearest place with that kind of store (dollar store, walmart, target, ect.) is an hour and a half drive. Still I can pick one up fairly inexpensively around here, but I have droped so much on this first experimental grow that I hesitate to spend more. At least till next time.
Anyway I played around with my situation, and I think I have the problemb solved. I now even am able to turn on the extra 26w cfls with no more burning.
On a side note, I cut a small branch off last night for a clone. So far so good. It really isn't even wilting much. I must have done something right :D
...if I could add another :twocents:...
RUN, don't walk down to your local gardening/hydro emporium, and get yourself a cheapie 10dolla bottle of Wilson's rooting liquid. It has one of the highest concentrations of IBA (the main rooting inducement), and one of the lowest prices. I'm not sure if it's too late to use it on your existing clone taken (might have to do one watering of it with a small, dilute concentration) as you're only supposed to do it once...
But for every snip that you take that looks like it could live, you dunk it immediately into water, then slightly higher cut at 45 degree angle while under water, wrap cut end-bit in a bit of cotton pulled from a q-tip, and dunk cotton-y bit into rooting compound with sterile tweezers. THEN place it (still with sterile tweezers) in whatever rooting medium you use.
I had great success with seedlings, but horrible success with clones until I started doing this.
The OTHER thing to really really be careful of is to NOT let it dry out... since it doesn't have a root system yet, it has to take everything in thru the leaves. Use a really really weak nute solution in clean, PH'd water to mist 'em with like every hour, or as often as they need it. I use rockwool as a starter medium, and keep the bottom of the rockwool in about ¼" - ½" of water in a tray, covered with nearly-tight humidity dome.
Place said dome near some 4100k to 6500k flourescents, and watch the little thing leap up to them in happiness :)
(c)C :chainsaw:
The first shot is the outside of my box when it's all closed up. I pulled the box out a bit, sealed around the fan with a blue towl, cut a few small holes in the bottom and created a vacume that sucks out the heat. When I put my hand up to the whole I can really feel the air getting sucked in nicely:thumbsup:
I ended up placing some emergency blanket on the two walls. I don't really like having the bulbs sit against the cardboard even if they really don't get all that hot. Since I've read that heatblanket is a semi-sort-of decent reflector, thought better safe than sorry.
First one is my clone in its little dome :) I took the cutting off with my razor (you can see where I took it in the last pic), recut under water, slathered with some clonex and stuck in a coconut pellet that I expanded inside of an old flower tray cup. :rambohead: That is one long ass sentance :)
Two is an overhead shot.
Three is the main stem. The dirt is some local made hummis wood compost with a tad of lime added mixed with about 40% perlite. It doesn't look like it in the photo because I was a bit short on dirt, and instead of mixing up more compost pearlite dirt I just added an inch or so of 100% compost.
Four is just up from the last photo and shows how I'm LSTing, and like I previously stated where I took the clone. I first tied a piece of twine around the base of the lip. Then I tie one end of a piece of twine to it, around the branch I want to tie down, cinch it up and tie the other end.
When I look at my earlier posts I can't believe how much I've learned already. I'm decently happy with this grow so far, but am really looking forward to the next already :D
After last nights dark cycle, I now have a few roots poking out through the bottom drain holes in the pot. Does that mean that she's ready for a transplant, or should I still give it a few more days?
You can re-pot now. Personally I thought you were close a week ago.
I just put it in the smaller planter 13 or 14 days ago, and thought I should just wait untill a root poped out the bottom. Should I really have repoted after only a week?
I really appreciate all your help by the way. I have read some stuff saying to repot right when the root pokes out, and others that say to wait a bit. Thats why I'm asking. I see the great results that you guys are getting, and so I am asking those that are much more qualified to come up with answers.
For me it is just a slightly educated guess :D
I had watered this morning before I saw the roots coming out, and I doused it pretty good for one last nute free watering. Except I cheated and added the smallest amount of molasis.
Figured since I should let the dirt dry out before I repot, I would do one more LST session while I was waiting. Counted 13 decent budsites, and another 6 developing and in good shape.
Think I'll go into flower as soon as I figure out a place for my clone to go. Hopefully that will be in the next day or two.......
I'm not saying you HAD to re-pot after a week. Just that when you started the thread I thought your plant looked a little large for the pot it was in (web pics CAN be deceiving). :D
Personally, I have found it takes about a month for a plant to root bind in a 6" pot. Then another month to root bind into a 2 Gallon pot. I've currently got a Durban poison, and a G13xAfgani, which are both root bound in 5 Gallon pots! :eek:
However if you have roots showing out the bottom you are likely there now. If left in the pot your in now. Growth will slow to a crawl, water will seem to drain right through the pot soon, and you'll start seeing the plant droop sooner due to sucking up all the water so fast.
If you plan to take any clones of her. You'll want to cut them off before putting them into flower. Most people re-pot, then clip cuttings. Allow it to heal, and recover from both the re-pot and cutting for a few days. Then put it into flower. :thumbsup:
Got her repoted tonight. She looks kinda small with all the new real estate around her :D
Day 4 for my clone, and I am pretty sure I am starting to see a bit of growth :) At the very least she is done wilting, which it never really did much, and is really standing up straight now. Looks like it may be a success :D
who needs lst? lmao here's a pick of "1" of my plants 6weeks from fresh cut clone. no lst'ing, i fim my plants only.this pic i took tonite,and also switched out my mh to hps and tomarrow will be first day 12/12.
ps here are some pics of a clone i cut from the big one in the pic 2 weeks ago.
Look good. I'm kind of interested in bim. Did a search for it, and after looking in multiple threads I've only found it mentioned, never explained (I did find a few good grow logs to read through though :D). Do you have a suggested link that you look at?
I'm going to set up a SCROG screen when I get a final grow location built, hopefully for my clone. For now though I decided that I don't have room in my current box without crouding out any chance of moving stuff around in there.
fim is where you take 80% of the very top growth of the newest growth.like topping but you don't cut the new node off just alil above it.i had a link i saved so when people asked i could show it.it is hard to find but i just installed a new hd and lost all my fav folder cause i forgot to back it up lol.i'll look and see if i can remember where it is at.
Heres a nice pic.
PS. your roots are coming out of the container through the bottom holes not necessarily because they are rootbound, but because you have gotten lazy and left moisture or water in your water catch/tray. You need to make sure there is no moisture left in that tray or your roots (which spread to find water) will come out of your pots and sit in the water and mold. I personally set my pots on something that allows air to flow under and around the pots (increase oxygen to the roots) then when its time to water put the tray or something to catch the run off under the pot, then remove it.
I tried my first Fim a few weeks ago, This cannabis.com forum guide really helped...Quote:
Originally Posted by firstfist
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs...made-easy.html
Started the 12/12 cycle this morning, or was that yesterday morning? Today's kinda-a-blur. I'm now counting 18 budsites, and 7 of them look like they could be the "top" of the plant.....but aren't.
So looks like I'll have 8 main cola's? Hopefully I'll have room :D
The clone has her own little spot with a set of 4 26w cfls. I'll add more as she grows as needed, but for now that is all I can fit around her. Oh, and I now have her in a 4" pot with 50% humus wood compost, 40% pearlite and about 10% local garden center soil that has worm caseings and lime in it. I had been keeping the mix wet for a few days before the transplant, and the water comming out the drain wholes was just right:thumbsup:
Hopefully pics to follow soon.
Call me a profit, as I'm about to tell you,.. your future. :D
Grats on the 12/12. Good luck with the cutting as well. 4-26w is plenty for a clone.
HOWEVER,... It is going to take you 8-10 weeks to flower out your first plant(mom).
So,.. Any plan for the baby? Or are you planning to veg it for the entire 8+ weeks??
Because this is what you get with eight weeks veg using LST(5 gallon pot).
Do clones even flower quicker than Mom? Very Eeentresting.
Not positive yet. I have a few ideas bouncing in my head. One is to make a stealth shed in my crawl space large enough for two or three in flower, and a large enough space for a veg section to keep the flower room always full :D
Don't know if that will actually end up happening before the clone is ready for it though. If she gets too big I may take a clipping off her, and set her free. I live right on the edge of the rockies, and can think of a few secluded places she would probably be happy.
This may be a dumb question, but I'm going to ask :D The light bulb that I have for flower, the 150w 2700k CFL, came not working. Another is in the mail, but I am already 3 days into flower. It won't effect the flowering too awful much having a veg bulb for the first week or so of flowering will it?
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Oops ^^^:D
Here I am 8 days into flower. Starting to see white hairs popin' out all over, and it has just about doubled in size in the past week:thumbsup:
Got the new 150w CFL 2700k bulb up and running now plus the four 26w CFLs, and she seems......content.
Mini Me is growing ok now. It has just barely noticibly been inching out growth for the past week, but now today at day 18 it about doubled in size. The most important lesson learned? Don't clone such small stems. Anyway, I ought to start to see good growth now.
Also, since growth was accelerating I made a bim cut earlier today, and the lower branches really started showing.
Dang it:smokebong:
Third times a charm I guess. Here are the photos that go with the one up there :D
Starting to look good. I'm starting to see some good crystals forming already :D Should end up being a snowy plant :thumbsup:
What more could one ask for? So many hairs, looks like a circus freak:thumbsup: