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Nice! Those roots headin' south, look hungry! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GetThisOrDie
The "topping" on the soil plant went well. :thumbsup: Did it trigger much branching?
Here's to hoping ya got a girl!!
I wish I could give ya some useful feedback on the FF stuff, but I'm using it all for the first time myself. So far, so good. In soil, though.
looking real good :thumbsup:
Thanks guys... Ya the topping literally turned it into a bush. All the side shoots flew out and its wider than it is tall now. Just noticed on my lunch break that the far back shoots are already touching the back of the tent. Its great!
GOOD NEWS.
just went to adjust the LST on the unknown soil one... its a girl! Got female preflower. Nice and white pistols. So happy... Going to have a tent full of buds now. Plus ill be able to compare her being topped to the others in my own experiment to see which is best for me.
Plus she is getting this serious smell... its like tropical, maybe like old mangos. Its gross yet awesome at the same time. lol...
there is alot about this that can be f#$ked up and awesome at same time hehe :bonghit:
Ive been slowly increasing the PPMs to my hydro girls tuning it to their specific needs...
Increased the nutes to Lady#1 to 650ppm today and she pushed out a new node by the end of the day. Lady#2 who was behind by several days and lots of stress has been increased to 350ppm and she is reaching her leaves to the sky.
The soil girl is healthy and I am trying to slow her growth to let the hydro catch up. I have lowered her nutes to 1/4 and continue to LST her. Cant wait to go into 12/12 because she will definitely be the biggest plant ive attempted. Hope her bucket size will last. Not sure of the size but its just a tad smaller than 5 gallon.
If you are worried about bucket size then you might want to address that now instead of later :jointsmile:
Good idea... I was thinking that I need to go buy another 5gallon but I remembered I have a few outside that I used for a soil grow awhile ago. I wish I could find good soil around here.
I will probably transplant it this week sometime.
On another note, I hope my carbon filter is up to the challenge. I checked the ladies this morning and good god the soil one smells super strong. Was so strong that the smell stuck to the inside of my mouth and nose. Had to go use listerine. Nasty girl!
It doesnt smell "bad" but its just so strong its overpowering. Wife said either mangos or peaches. I say mangos that are almost spoiled...
After topping the soil girl about one week ago or so she has really pumped out the side branches and is almost an even canopy with some LST on the main stem. So many secondary tops that I lose count when trying. Even with the very low amount of nutes she refuses to slow down.
She is also showing more and more female preflowers which make me happy. :)
Also due for a res change on the DWC. Hopefully I have time tomorrow morning to do it.
check this out for odor control http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs...utraliser.html have not made 1 myself yet but plan to :thumbsup:
Might have to try something like that... thanks for the link Tiny.
Was looking at Lady#2 and noticed its 3 pointed leaves... one of them the smaller point part is actually attached to the big part. Its hard to explain. Ill take pics in a little bit at 4am when they wake up.
Ok its time for an update...
Lady#1 is finally getting her feet wet and starting to grow good. The roots are getting long with tons of "branching". Might be difficult to pull the netpot out soon from possible root damage so I took what might be one of the last root pics of her. She is also showing light shades of blue in her leaves which makes me smile from ear to ear everytime I look at her. From what I read not every Blue Mystic turns blue so this is great.
Lady#2 still growing on the slow side since her birth. Like I tried to explain before, one of the blades on her 3 pointed leaf is actually fused seamlessly to the big middle blade. Never see anything like it but im sure it was caused by the problems it had getting out of the husk. Looks kind of like a maple leaf.
Bagseed is now dubbed Lady#3 since ive found female preflowers. I have been giving her low amounts of nutes to try and slow her down to let the other ones catch up. After a few days of that she wasnt happy at all so last night I gave her a full dose of nutes in PH corrected water. This morning she again looked great and is still stinky. Still LST and she almost has an even canopy. She is about 1 month veg if I remember correctly... Thats the longest ive ever vegged before since I grew in smaller cabs before I got this tent. She has tons of future bud sites so im thinking she will have a nice yield.
Temps are back down to 70f at night and 74f-76f during the day.
Later today im going to try to find some good soil and transplant Lady#3 into a 5gallon bucket. Also changing the res' for the others.
Pics below.
:smokin:
Pic 1 - Shows Lady#2 and her deformed blade on the top most leaf in the pic. (explained above)
Pic 2 - Shows Lady#1 and her blueish tones.
Pic 3 - Again Lady#1 from above.
Pic 4 - Shows Lady#1 from below. Go roots!
Some more pics...
Pic 1 - Shows Lady#3 in all her glory. Lost of future bud sites! Even more on the back side that you cant see in the pic.
Pic 2 - Closeup of some of her new growth. Super green!
Pic 3 - Shows her main stem that was topped and the new shoots coming out.
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by GetThisOrDie
Might just be her personality. :) Leaf deformities are pretty common. I babysat some BM clones this summer and one of the variations exhibited a wicked twisting and deforming of the leaves, coloration was *quite* blue. My friend keeps a small cut as a decorative plant, it's so freaky looking that it's hard to even tell it's cannabis. :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by GetThisOrDie
Lookin' good! :greenthumb:
Bought a thermometer today to check my res temps...
Was around 73f or 74f in the day... Seems to be pretty good. I guess I dont have to get fish tank heaters now. When I felt the buckets I swore that it was cold as shit in there... guess not lol.
So I wake up this morning to 20 some inches of snow and its still coming down hard. Hope my power doesnt go out because my DWC will probably be a goner.
Had some weird slime in Lady#1 bucket so I had to do an uncheduled res change and also changed the airstones because they were covered. Tossed a little h2o2 in after the change for the roots. Everything looks good now. I think there are tiny light leaks from not having enough hydroton in the baskets. Going to presoak some more today.
It is nice though to sit outside and hit the bong... because you can just set it down in the snow and its ice cold for the next puff!
After 30+ inches and 2 1/2 hours of digging. My truck is finally free from its snowed in parking spot...
My girls survived on battery powered air pumps for about 8 hours. Thankfully 6 of those were their normal dark time. Power is back and all three look good.
Lady#1 who had all that slime is now just recovering. Lady#2 is still creeping along growing fine.
Question about RW... Is it bad if it dries out? Been having an issue with Lady#1 and her cube drying out. If I let the water level sink a bit her cube dries and gets a little hard. Seems to stress her out if that happens. Its my first time using the RW starter plugs and am wondering what you guys have to say about it...
Still havent transplanted Lady#3 yet. Going to do so when I flip the lights...
Ill post some pics tonight hopefully.
takes quite a bit for RW to "dry" out, I'm guessing your talking bout just the top of the cube, if so dont sweat it to much and next time use rapid Rooters :thumbsup:
Ya im definitely going to use something other than RW next time. Everyone seems to say rapid rooters. Ill give them a go. Pics coming in a couple of hours when they wake up.
Ok so heres an update.
Lady#3 is looking great showing more female preflowers and still stinking up the tent. She continues to grow out instead of up and is almost as wide as the tent. I have been trimming her here and there to allow more light to the developing tops. I also dried one of her leaves and tried it out. Pretty good for a leaf.
Lady#2 is growing but slowly. She is starting to look great with no more lead deformities.
Now on to Lady#1...
She has been giving me problems and now im stuck on what to do so im going to post pics here and start a troubleshooting thread.
Originally she had some weird brownish/clear slime growing in the res. Especially on the air stones. The water was also abnormally cloudy looking so I did a res change and tossed a capful of h2o2. She perked back up after that. Now I checked again and the slime is on her roots now and she is not happy at all. She stopped growing and her tops became real tight almost like they do when they start flowering. She had signs of nute burn before the slime so I backed the ppm down to 550-600 from 750-800. The spots on her leaves seem to keep spreading even after dropping the PPM. Also her leaves feel real dry like shes not getting any water. Using FF grow big and a dose of FF big bloom every other week. How much h2o2 is an appropriate dose?
Hope someone out there can help because I cant afford to lose this medicine. Its for me and my father who is really sick.
Pic 1 - Shows whats going on with her leaves.
Pic 2 - Top view. Looks like when you first flip the lights and the flowering begins to me.
Pic 3 - Same view as pic 1 but zoomed out.
Pic 4 - The slime! Evil!
Here are some update pics of the others. They are looking great.
Pic 1 - Shows Lady#2.
Pic 2 - Lady #3
Pic 3 - Lady #3 in the trippy LED light.
Pic 4 - Some nice alternating nodes.
Pic 5 - Shows some nice growth.
5 ml per gal or 1 tsp per gal which ever ya got lying around hehe
Ok so the h2o2 had basically no effect on the slime and there is alot more now. Her entire root zone is turning brown and she has her leaves pointed down... sigh.
So I did alot of digging around on the net and found what it is.
Its called Brown Algae. H2o2 and any other remedy for "root rot" wont work for this.
It feeds on organic matter and uses up all of the oxygen in the water, suffocating the plants. From what I read res chillers/temp or light tightness does not prevent this.
The only product on any forum or site listed that can combat brown algae is Physan 20.
Ordered mine today but afraid it wont get here in time. Noticed it starting in my other DWC... So this Blue Mystic grow ends up being a loss and learning experience. I still have the soil girl.
if all you used was 1 capfull I would suggest trying again at the 5ml per gal. I had kinda same looking thing going on in my bucket and it worked for me. If not sorry to hear you ran into a snag.
H202 should clear that up, don't be afraid to dose her good, (dying anyway, nothing to lose) ... good luck :smokin:
Thanks for the replies but I tried using 5ml/G but it just made the slime bigger. Article said something like it feeds on the oxygen from the h2o2. She already died.
Im hoping the other one can last until the Physan 20 gets here. I dont see much of it on it. Im sure it got in there though since I used the same kitchen spoon to stir around the solution in both res.
Ok so I got my Physan-20 but I havent dosed the second DWC yet. She had some slime starting but somehow it seems like she over came it. Its going away on its own with no h2o2. Hopefully I wont have to use the Physan since the sites I read says it shocks your plants alot. She is still growing super slow but I cant figure out why. Maybe a slow growing pheno?? She looks good though... Going to grab another tent for her and flip this other bush in my current tent. Was looking at Grow Lab 40 mother tent. Anybody have experience with grow lab? Says its made by Homebox. Ill post more + pics later.
there is some stuff I've been reading about that is an enzyme that basically feeds on dead stuff and converts into usable, name is hygrozyme or something along that line. It reads like a preventer :thumbsup:
Hygorzyme is more a preventer but With the fight on root rot I had to try something. We have a tub with 6 plants, all were developing the rot and roots turning brown but not killing the plants. Gave them just less than half dose on the bottle. After just changing the water once the roots are looking sooo much better and whiter and much new root growth. This will be a regular in the mix from now on. I would take it up more but don't want to shock them if it's working. Yeilds will be much better I'm sure.
Highly recomended for any stage of rot.
Interested to know how the Physan works on the brown algea as we have seen it before and dumped the whole thing trying to clean.
Ok here are the pics I promised...
Pic 1 - Shows Lady#2 and her slow going zzz.
Pic 2 - Shows her under growth.
Pic 3 - Her roots. The brown stuff grabbed ahold of her very bottom roots again as you can see in the pic. If it gets any worse I will Physan.
Pic 4 - My newest weapon, Physan 20.
Pic 5 - Pic of her basking in the LEDs.
Here are pics of the soil girl. She is looking great. Her LST is working good. Im going to pull some of the tops on the right closer to the light today.
My new tent should be here in a few days so I will move the DWC into it with a CFL lighting setup to continue her slow veg. My old tent will then flip lights and she will get her transplant and start the bud train rollin! I am very excited to see what the soil girl can do since ive never vegged a plant this big because of my smaller cabs I used before.
Getthis .... looking good :thumbsup:
Loc ... thanks for verification, stuff just got higher on the shopping list hehe
Quick question... does h2o2 stress them? Or do they like it?
have not noticed any stress on Mama, pics or her later, in fact when doing water change it is now part of the mix till I get that hygor stuff
Ok so santa decided to bring me a new Sony DSLR camera late and now I have to figure out how to use it!
Took some great pics with a 55mm lense but they are way above the max file size... hmm... Ill have to lower the capture size from 12 megapixels to fit on here.
Lady#2 in DWC has almost doubled in size the past couple of days. Very happy about that. Seems she is finally starting to grow. Havent had to use the Physan yet.
Lady#3 in soil is doing good as well. She looks like she is wanting her transplant. The new Growlab tent should be here in a couple days, then she will get repotted and lights flipped...cant wait.
Pic 1 - Finally was able to get a shot of Lady#3's preflowers. Right next to one of her tie downs.
Pic 2 - Can see the bulbous trichs all over her leaves if you zoom in. I think thats what they are called... I think it was Italiano who told me their name.
Pic 3 - Tent view.
Sorry about the quality of the photography... Going to be a rookie with this new camera for a long while.
So I had to contact the place where I ordered my new tent... oops they didnt send it and now are sending it first thing monday. Sigh.
I have been trimming some leaves off here and there to let light down onto other tops on the soil girl. It is working great! Had to get some crappy Scotts potting soil for her transplant. Also going to mix it with MG perlite that has nutes infused in it which im not too happy about but I couldnt find any other type.
The DWC Blue Mystic is doing good as well. Still havent had to Physan. I positioned some CFLs on her sides and her side growth has exploded over the past day.
I will post pics around 4am when they wake up. Should be just a few more days waiting on the tent until I can flip the big soil girl! Cant wait!
Here are some pics of the ladies.
Lady#2 is doing good. I placed CFLs on her side to pull out some growth. Its working good. There are no signs of bad root health. They are stained from nutes and im not going to worry about it if she is growing strong and healthy. She seems to be liking the PPM at around 700-720. Constantly between 5.8 and 6.0. I have been taking a dropper and spraying her upper roots/net pot area with solution every day and the roots seem to like it.
Pic 1 - Lady #2 the Blue Mystic.
Pic 2 - Shows her side growth.
Pic 3 - Closer view of side growth.
Pic 4 - Happy roots.
Lady #3 is still going strong even with 1/4 nutes to slow her down. She still seems like she only wants 6.8ph exactly. If I give her 6.9 she shows it. I know she is going to have a great yield from her size. I plan on making butter out of her trim and popcorn buds so I wont be trimming her lower half as much. She puts out big new leaf sets on every top about every 24 hours or less. Her smell is still very strong but im using ona and fresh carbon in my filter.
Pic 1 - Shows some of her growth.
Pic 2 - Lady #3
Pic 3 - Both of the ladies.