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Everything was born to die. That's the facts regardless of religion. Prove that wrong. It is our energy we all share as living beings( plants, animals, mamals etc.) here on earth. That's what faith is.
Religion is a creature of man, all "written by man" not any higher energy in our universe. No wonder wars are started. "IGNORANCE" !
Just my 2 cents worth. No specific insults to any particular person here. But, to all mankind.
i suggest you read up on Einsteins theory of relativity. You are ignorant and I don't like you. If we can agree that Einstein was probably one of, if not, the smartest man to EVER live, than we can agree that he knows what he's talking about. lol Get some facts instead of just trying to bash me you idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
I suggest you show where the theory of relativity has anything to do with god troll boy. You can apply the theory to try to prove intelligent design, but it's the same argument. Because relativity suggests at some point, time began and the universe began expanding does not prove the existence of an intelligent agent. That is a matter of opinion, not fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
Also, I do not agree that Einstein was the smartest man to ever live. I will agree he knew what he was talking about though, "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." ~ Albert Einstein, 1954
Find something new troll.
BTW ~ It upsets me a great deal that you don't like me. Dang. :dance:
If you agree with Einsteins theory of relativity than you know the universe is indeed finite. In that case, what do you think was BEFORE the big bang?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
I don't know. But see, the fact that I don't know doesn't prove it was some "god".Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
The Hindus believe that the universe expands, reaches a limit, contracts, and then expands again endlessly . . . over and over. Christians, Jews, & Muslims believe god started it all going. There is no proof to support either theory. Both are a matter of opinion, not fact.
[quote=BlueBlazer]I don't know. But see, the fact that I don't know doesn't prove it was some "god".
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THAT'S RIGHT! You DON'T know!!! So obviously you have no right denying GOD when you cannot even prove he doesn't exist!!!
What was before the big bang? I know one thing that does in fact explain this... It's called......... THE HOLY BIBLE!!!!!!!!
You were a little interesting to me for a minute there. Did you enjoy that Einstein quote?Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
Now you've gone back to boring old troll. No fun. :(
Oh. You want quotes.. ok, here we go.. ALL quoted by Albert Einstein!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
"God is subtle but he is not malicious."
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
I have more if you want them but that should be enough.
Your making a fool of yourself atheist scum! :smokin:
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
Since Einstein clearly did not believe in your god, he is most likely speaking figuratively there. Einstein not only did not believe in a personal god but made an effort to "express it clearly"
I've heard trolls have a problem with clarity.
Read again one of the quotes you posted yourself.
"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
I love Albert's quotes!
But don't some Atheist's hold on to the possibility of a god but without proof they don't believe? I would consider myself one that hopes I would one day have what I need to believe in something like a god, until then I try just to be healthy and as good natured as I can to myself and others.
I wondered why there was a spiritual area on this site and figured it could do without it, but even with all the arguing one thing on a small level happens...people express how they feel and what they believe. It can either solidify another readers existing beliefs or make someone further question life. Either way your still on a journey of self discovery which is in itself cool IMO
Real eyes realize real lies!:hippy:
Atheists do not hold on to a possibility that god is real. I believe Agnostic is what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostedwonder
I don't think Einstein was an Atheist, or an Agnostic. His belief was more like a Buddhist's (or more correctly like a Taoist).
The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism. ~ Albert Einstein
I believe American Indian spiritualism is also much like what Einstein describes.
Than who or what was he talking about when he made all of those quotes? Your trying to say he didn't mean GOD, when he clearly stated GOD in most of the quotes. Quit trying to turn these around like usual. HE SAID WHAT HE SAID!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
He CONCEDES to a creator, lets just put it that way...
Let's don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954, The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press)
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish"
whats he talking about there than?
Not what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)
You atheist scum! Your tatics won't work here!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
Let me say this AGAIN! Albert Einstein CONCEDES to a creator! NOT neccassarily ANY type of religions!
Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. (quoted from another website)
It's obvious that Einstein believed in a creator. A creator of everything we see. and that is what I believe (to an extent). The only thing is that I believe GOD is the sole "creator" of all these things. Which is totally true. Science is merely the work of GOD.
You're assuming a lot for a guy who claims injury when assumed upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
1) I never said Einstein was an Atheist, to the contrary. I believe his "god" belief was akin to the Taoist "god" belief.
2) Even if Einstein did believe in a creator, he didn't believe in yours. He was the smartest man ever you said, but he was wrong about that?!?
3) I never said I was an Atheist. I am, however, most certainly not a believer of the god presented in the Bible, Torah, and Koran. I do not believe in a personal god or a creator, but I am close to Taoism in my personal philosophy.
4) My agenda here is not to work Atheist tactics on this board. I began by expressing my non belief in GOD, and have been dealing with your trolling ever since.
Your troll tactics are not working. You can't upset me, because I don't believe you take any of this seriously. You troll for a reaction and are thrilled when you get one, even if it makes you look stupid. If you don't care about your troll persona, why should I?
I think what it really all comes down to is, Who supports their opinion more? You have NO answer to the creation of the universe, or what was before it. I DO in fact! and I have came up with WAY MORE points to support my opinion rather than yours. You even said it yourself "I don't know" cuz thats right... YOU DON'T KNOW SHI*.. you should do some research to SUPPORT your opinion like I said before.. cuz you havnt done shi* really but make yourself look dumb!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
Okay troll boy.
You've made your claims loud and often. I guess that adds up to proof for a troll.
Anyone with any intelligence that reads this thread, regardless of their spiritual belief, should easily see that you have made repeated efforts to insult me into provocative action. Like trolls normally do. I, on the other hand, have resisted the urge to sink to that level.
Readers decide for yourself.
I'm just stating the FACTS... Get over it!!! Just cause you are feeling pretty stupid you resort to just bashing me and calling me a troll...Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
Like I said before, who's really the troll?
i once spent an entire summer believing that the answers to the universe were contained in "stranger in a strange land". i didn't believe that heinlein was god, but that he had accidentally tapped into truth. i'll admit that those delusions were caused by an inordinate amount of mescaline. what's your excuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
Hahaha, who's the one making themselves look dumb? I understand that you're feeling threatened due to your belief system being baseless, but you're just grasping at straws. Just because someone has an answer for something, doesn't mean they're answering it CORRECTLY. You really think the bible is the only text that attempts to explain how everything was created? Not trying to be insulting here, but you clearly do not know the definition of the word "myth". There are HUNDREDS of religions to date that have their own unique explanations of how the universe came to be. Examples:Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
- The ancient Mesopotamians answer for the creation of the universe were that the god Apsu and the goddess Tiamat did it.
- The ancient Greeks and Romans originally believed that the god Phanes did it.
- The Intuit believe that Great Spirit created everything and that she is a woman
-The ancient Chinese believed many different things, one of which being that Pan Gu created everything. Another being that the universe was created by 2 nameless gods.
The list goes on and on. Other religions believe that, just like your god, the Universe is eternal and that nothing came before it. So there you go. Lots of answers for you. Doesn't mean that any of them, including yours, is right.
Furthermore, it's astounding how not only do you bring Einstein's quotes completely out of context, but when you ask BlueBlazer to explain what Albert means by them, you completely ignore his answer and say that he can't. Like BB said, Einstein was speaking FIGURATIVELY in your quotes. Just because I say "Oh my god" or "thank god I got that bonus" doesn't mean that I believe in YOUR god. I don't. Additionally, what's YOUR explanation of BB's quotes? Hmmm? Which, by the way, are long enough to be able to tell what the hell he meant by them, not just little snippets here and there. Go on, explain it if you can.
I swear, with all the asinine things bible-bangers come up with, I find it very hard to believe that we're out of the dark ages.
Chris, I really don't give a flying fuck what you choose to believe, but you're trying to make fact out of fiction, and you're failing miserably at it. Sorry, but it's true
Your really trying to tell me that Einstein was NOT talking about a "creator" when he is mentioning GOD in all of those quotes?!!! LOL You are just another atheist SCUM trying to come and back your freind! lol... Quit trying to turn around what Einstein said! He wasn't saying "oh my god", he was talking and MEANT to say what he did! Theres a FINE LINE between saying "oh my god" because something happened, compared to ACTUALLY MEANING to SAY it and phrase it!!!! EINSTEIN SAID WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!! QUIT TRYING TO TWIST AND TURN HIS WORDS AROUND SO YOU CAN TRY AND HAVE SOMETHING TO SUPPORT YOUR NO ANSWER THEORY!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by smileyface
I belive almost in what Einstein does... I belive that GOD is in EVERYTHING we see. He is the creator of EVERYTHING! DNA, Molecules, Matter, Time, Etc. Science itself is merely the work of GOD!
"it is easier for a troll to go through the eye of a needle than for a christian to objectively think in any way, shape, or form. " ~ignorance 3:16 :jointsmile:
You're such a sweetheart, chris! Haha, man, talk about acting like a desperate caged animal, clawing at everything he can! Hell, what am I saying, animals act more civilized. Do you think Jesus would be proud of the way you're acting? You're a stellar representative of your religion :thumbsup:
It's really sad that I have to state the obvious, but this sentence of yours is one of the most hypocritical statements I've ever heard. That is precicely what you are doing, hon. Not anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
Since we are unfamiliar with the term "figuratively speaking" I'll be more than happy to spell it out. Here's one definition - "Represented by a figure or resemblance; symbolic or emblematic" You've never heard of speaking hypothetically? Sometimes, when people need to get a point across, they need to speak in terms other people can understand and relate to. That's what he was doing. You don't like my previous analogy? That's fine. Here's another one - If I said to you "you're living proof that god has a sense of humor", you think that means I believe in god as you believe it to be? It doesn't.
If your out-of-context quotes were the only thing that Albert said, it would have been a possibility that he believed what you say he does. Since you haven't been able to counter my statements about you not having the correct answer to the creation of the universe, you obviously accept that....finally. You keep asking others to address the quote you found even though it has already been done so repeatedly, but you still haven't answered my question though. What is your explanation of these following quotes that BB provided? -
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)"
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954, The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press)"
These my friend, are plain and simple statements from the man himself. Not a whole lot open for interpretation. Please don't avoid the question, chris. I'd really like to know what those 2 statements mean to you.
If God answered every person's prayer,people would become dependent on him,if he did nothing,people would just give up on him.So he help's by giving you a hand now an then but he's not going to drop a big pile of food in the middle of a bunch of starving kid's,thats because those of us that can afford to should be helping by sending over food or money,volunteering or helping in any way that we can.If God does his job right people wont think he's done anything at all.:angelsmiley:
1) My quotes are not takin out of context AT ALL! It's clear that everytime Einstein says GOD, he is ultimitly speaking of the "creator" of the universe, and time itself! You can look it up all you want! Einstein CONCEDED to a creator (whom I believe is GOD,yes the one the BIBLE speaks of,). Einstein may have or have not belived it was the same GOD as mine, BUT he did believe in a CREATOR (whom he referred to as GOD)Quote:
Originally Posted by smileyface
2) SIMPLE! The universe was created by GOD! The "Big Bang Theory" is true in all aspects. But it is really, simply, GOD creating OUR universe... in a big bang!
3) His quotes are Einstein denying he believes in a certain GOD of any religion today but, Einstein believed in a GOD! Just one not known yet supposably to everybody. He CERTAINLY belives in a creator and has PUBICLY STATED "I AM NO ATHEIST"
Troll boy is besieged on all sides it seems. :D
Nothing important to say... Just more bashing from the atheist scum!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
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Originally Posted by chris62008
1. Since nobody but Einstein can can claim to know exactly what it is that he believed in, we really have no clue what he means by using the word "god". We can only assume. However, he never stated that he believed the big bang was created by a god. He clearly doesn't believe that it was some guy sitting on a cloud pointing his finger making everything appear, as portrayed in the bible. What could he have believed "god" to be? Probably something so abstract that would blow your mind. It's possible that he believed that the universe itself is "god", and that the big bang wasn't created by a god but WAS "god". Perhaps he believed that everything in the universe IS intelligent energy. Perhaps he believed that everything you see and experience is "god". Again, we can only speculate.
(As a side note, has anyone here read the book "Conversations With God" by Neil Donald Walsch? OMG, I fuckin LOVE that book! It's not religious at all, but it ties in with what we're talking about, excellent read! I highly recommend it to everyone.)
2. You've completely ignored my previous post, conveniently..... I suggest you re-read the part about coming up with AN answer doesn't mean it's the correct one. If a teacher asks a class what 2+2 is and someone answers "5", that does not mean that "5" is right. Again, you'd be wise to scroll up
3. At least we're finally getting somewhere here. So you accept that Albert refutes (To prove to be false or erroneous; overthrow by argument or proof) the bible and the god depicted in it. In other words, stating that christianity along with many other mainstream religions is incorrect. So, since it was your idea in the first place to use Einstein as proof of your beliefs, I guess you have no choice then to use him as proof that christianity is wrong, therefore renouncing your current faith.
:hippy:
Nothing more to say to a troll no.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
1) Your right! Einstein believed in a different GOD than any modern day religions. And I even stated that before.Quote:
Originally Posted by smileyface
2) Ya. Well AT LEAST I HAVE AN ANSWER! Granted it may be more of a belief on how life started than an answer, but at least its SOMETHING! You atheists scums have NO answer at all to what was BEFORE the big bang! Your best answer is.... I DON'T KNOW!!! (made famous by "blue blazer")
3) I NEVER EVER stated that I share the same beliefs on what created life with Albert Einstein!!! I personally belive that GOD (yes the one in the HOLY BIBLE) created this universe and EVERYTHING in it's existince. Einstein CLEARLY belived of some other GOD not mentioned in any holy book. We share diffrences BUT YES, I CAN, and DO, use Einsteins scientific work to prove of a creator! (GOD)
:cool:
BACK TROLL!! BACK!!!! SCAT!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
Unless you have something important to say (which you never do) than don't say anything at all please. Your trollish posts are getting pretty old.
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Originally Posted by chris62008
Wow. You really ARE beyond hope.....
That's right. Just leave cuz you are beat. I respect that totally!!! :thumbsup: (typical atheist)Quote:
Originally Posted by smileyface
Translation: Why won't you rise to my troll bait anymore? :cool:
Hahaha, well, if you can't see the idiocy of your own statements, there's nothing I can do to help you. It's so funny how all you bible bangers think that by having the last word it means that you "won" like it's some sort of game..... When in reality, the ones you were debating with just accepted the fact that it's a complete waste of time trying to knock any sense, logic or truth into you since you never fail to completely ignore the facts that contradict your position.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
You've already been proven wrong on everything you've said. Perhaps if you got Hooked on Phonics or ate more Omega-3 you would have been able to read and understand simple concepts written in black and white. I've heard more intelligent arguments from 9 year olds. I'm not attempting to be insulting but how old are you, really? I mean, if you're still a child, I'd be a little more understanding. But I'd just hate to find out that you're actually an adult in their 30's or something behaving as childishly as you are with the constant name-calling and the "na na na na naaa naaaa" attitude.