My sister-in-law lives in LA, went to Aveeda school there........been to California prolly 20 times in my life......from North to South.Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
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My sister-in-law lives in LA, went to Aveeda school there........been to California prolly 20 times in my life......from North to South.Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
I was watching all the rich white kids with dreads protesting the RAISE in tuition at Berkley over the weekend.....so these are college level kids right...they really cant put it together that its these tired ass socialist policies their elected officials install thats doing this right? Skip the protests kiddies and catch an economics class between pilates and vegan living:D
Tell me about it man, WTF. Ed Hardy... thats funny. Ima katch the Kappa tho... this year in the Gtown. hahaha :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
thats true but the time ghost changed. :stoned: when I was at the UC's, the mighty dollar was king. even more so at Bezerkely from what I could tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
but that said, :D yeah, white guys in dread locks. :wtf: but that's college these days. I bet you'd find the same dudes in Austin right now. :rastasmoke:
:jointsmile: protesting is a long proud tradition for the UC's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
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I took my LSAT exams in the middle of the protest over the first gulf war. no worries, tho, still aced it and made it down to Westwood in time to take some great photos of the event. :pimp:
Bring them to Trial anywhere in the states, It won't matter.
I don't care if it is a Red state or a Blue state if the evidence is there to convict them, they will be convicted!
I see all the FEAR mongering instigated by the Fascist Right.
The only thing to be really fearful of is that the dirty deeds of the previous administration may come to light.
If we cower from our duty to bring them to a fair trial, they win.
The whole idea of TERRORIST is to make us scared!!
I'm sorry but I'm not.
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Originally Posted by Dreadscale
I'm not sorry either.... those klowns are prisoners of war. they should be tried either by a military tribunal, or send 'em to the world court in the Netherlands.
There is absolutely no reason to even think about a US court. It will be a media circus the likes of which, we have never seen before.
Who's gonna *PAY* for all that crap :wtf:
I see Prisoner of War mentioned a lot!!
Prisoner of what War? The neverending War on Terror?
They have never had the protection of POW status as outlined in the Geneva Convention.
These guys are common criminals!!!
Mass Murderers!!!
They don't deserve POW status.
Read it here :) Are Al-Qaida Prisoners of War?
What International Law Says
The principal conventions governing prisoners of war are the Hague Convention of 1907 and the Geneva Convention of 1949. U.S. policies are spelled out in The Law of Land Warfare, Army Field Manual FM 27-10.
The Hague and Geneva Conventions lay out four criteria defining prisoners of war. This is a direct quote.
a: that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates.
b: that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance.
c: that of carrying arms openly.
d: that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
The conventions further stipulate:
That guerrillas and resistance movements are entitled to treatment as prisoners of war provided they fit the four criteria above.
That if a populace spontaneously rises up in defense of its territory without having time to organize formally, they are still entitled to treatment as prisoners of war provided they meet criteria c. and d.
That persons whose status is in doubt enjoy the protection of prisoner of war status until their status is determined by a "competent tribunal."
They are not prisoners of war, but are to be given the same treatment until their status is determined.
If Al-Qaida had never attacked the United States, but had merely fought us in Afghanistan, they would probably be entitled to the status of prisoners of war. But in its operations against the United States, Al-Qaida fails all four tests. While Al-Qaida has a chain of command, it does not accept responsibility for the actions of its operatives (or more to the point, considers any act that harms Americans legitimate). Open operations and conduct of operations in accord with the laws of war hardly need comment.
that is the way I see it, too. Giving them POW or trying them is the hague just gives them prestige that they do not deserve. try 'em and fry 'em in civy court as common murdering thugs. :twocents:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreadscale
[quote=Dreadscale]Bring them to Trial anywhere in the states, It won't matter.
I don't care if it is a Red state or a Blue state if the evidence is there to convict them, they will be convicted!
I see all the FEAR mongering instigated by the Fascist Right.
The only thing to be really fearful of is that the dirty deeds of the previous administration may come to light.
If we cower from our duty to bring them to a fair trial, they win.
The whole idea of TERRORIST is to make us scared!!
I'm sorry but I'm not.[/QUOTe
Fascism is a product of the Left....same with our current socialist resurgence and communism. All part of the left....not the right. Nazis were leftist socialists spewing anti jew garbage...and slaughtered 6 million.
Im so tired of left and right....feels more like its either your a Democrat or a socialist nowadays......and people thought America was divided under Bush's crazy ass......So much for the One, four years and he's done.
According to most scholars of fascism, there are both left and right influences on fascism as a social movement, and fascism, especially once in power, has historically attacked communism, conservatism and parliamentary liberalism, attracting support primarily from the "far right" or "extreme right."
I'm no political expert but from I remember fascism is the believe in a small centralized gov't that controls everything. This definition fits both dems and repubs.
Really it seems to me that the polar opposite of a fascist would be a libertarian. :cool:
I strongly disagree with this!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
Check out the signs and decide for yourself!!
Full Article
Definition of Fascism
The 14 Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
by Dr. Lawrence Britt
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14-defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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Commentary:
An interesting note to end this article: As of January 2004, the United States fulfills all fourteen points of fascism and all seven warning signs are present. But we're not alone. Israel also fulfills all fourteen points and all seven warning signs as well. Welcome to the new republic, redefined, revised and spun. It is not too late to reverse this in either country, but it will be soon. The first step is realizing it. The second step is getting involved. As the propaganda slogan disguising our current war goes, "Freedom isn't free." But our war for freedom isn't abroad; it's here at home.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:10:33 -0500 (CDT)
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Subject: Re: Fascism Anyone? 14 Characteristics of Fascist Regimes
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This is a highly flawed article. It is not a very accurate picture of fascism and frankly was a ripoff from a much better article by Umberto Eco:
Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt Eco - "Eternal Fascism: 14 Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt"
The Britt article started with what is happening in the U.S. and then crafted a description of fascism that only highlights those points that will support the thesis. This is a logical fallacy (the false notion that things that are similar in some aspects are identical in all aspects).
See also these definitions/descriptions:
PublicEye.org - Website of Political Research Associates
PublicEye.org - Website of Political Research Associates
Fascism is an especially virulent form of extreme right populism. Fascism glorifies national, racial, or cultural unity and collective rebirth while seeking to purge imagined enemies. It attacks both revolutionary movements and liberal pluralism in favor of militarized, totalitarian mass politics. Fascism first crystallized in Europe in response to the Bolshevik Revolution and the devastation of World War I, and then spread to other parts of the world. Between the two world wars, there were three forms of fascism: Italian economic corporatism; German racial nationalist Nazism; and clerical fascist movements such as the Romanian Iron Guard and the Croatian Ustashi. Since WWII, neofascists have reinterpreted fascist ideology and strategy in various ways to fit new circumstances.
Roger Griffin, an influential scholar of generic fascism, argues that cism is best defined as a revolutionary form of nationalism, one that sets out to be a political, social and ethical revolution, welding the â??peopleâ?? into a dynamic national community under new elites infused with heroic values. The core myth that inspires this project is that only a populist, trans-class movement of purifying, cathartic national rebirth (palingenesis) can stem the tide of decadence.
There are other common components of fascism, including an exclusionary form of ethnonationalism that narrowly defines who the real people or Volk are; the idea of the primary importance of the homogenous whole (Integralism); and the diminution of the importance of the individual in a society ruled by leaders who metaphysically represent the will of the people (Organicism). These factors create a drive for totalitarian control in fascist movements and states. Totalitarian movements and governments insist on intruding into and controlling every aspect of a person's life-public or private-political, social, or cultural. Totalitarianism is a term that still has analytical value despite its frequent misuse to bash the Left. Most notorious was Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, 1981-1985, who promulgated a theory that communist governments were totalitarian and could never be reformed, but brutal right-wing dictatorships were merely authoritarian and thus could be reformed through alliances with the United States. While this misrepresented the work of Hannah Arendt in her definitive book The Origins of Totalitarianism, it also suffered from a certain lack of historical accuracy when communism collapsed in Europe.
Chip Berlet, Political Research Associates
Co-author, "Right-Wing Populism in America"
The 'only' word in only a problem of the left was incorrect....
The way the liberal Dems seek to control every aspect of our lives from the Laughable Cap and Trade to the socialist Healthcare plan that killing their re-election chances....it sure seems to me that its the American Democrat Party that the scary fascist/socialist welfare party. I hated Bush...hated him. I was even duped into voting for Obamao....but between the 2 of them.....Obama is a way greater threat than W ever was
I don't believe you will concede the point when even the material you provided clearly states the right wing appears fascist.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
I will concede Obama could be a greater threat to the country than George W., just on pure intelect.
This being said, he could also be a greater help to the country for the same reasons.
I thought I had in my last point.....There have been rightwing fascists...I spoke before thinking:stoned:. ....I just never gave feeble Bush the credit the socialist left did with being some fascist leader of a big right wing conspiracy...he wasnt smart enough for that.
Obama is a threat on intellect? Obama isnt super intelligent by any stretch of the imagination. He tries hard to make it appear as if he is though... an intelligent, cultured, person would have known not to bow lower than your host in Japan because it's a sign of weakness in Japanese culture...not that it mattered one way or another...im just saying. Obama was portrayed as many things during the campaign...none of which he has backed up or followed through on...hence his approval now below 50%.
I think my point is that if you look around the world right now and in America....the left currently represents a socialist...welfare & handout ideology. I also firmly believe there is a growing anti-jew ideology entrenched in the American and European leftists of 2009 which will be confronted sometime in the near future. The left also seeks to control and direct peoples individual lives in any way they can.....what we eat...how much I drive....what I set my air conditioner on.... what dr. i wanna use and for what...the list goes on and on and it's pathetic. Liberals would reach into your home and mine and tell us what to do if they could...
really? i would hope its more anti Israel than anti-semetic, but i really wouldn't know these days. not a whole lot of left wingers where i live now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
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Originally Posted by Dreadscale
Islandborn if you read the quotes posted I don't believe I said Obama is a threat of any type! The point is not that Obama is super intelligent. The point is, he is smarter than the man who had photo ops reading a book upside down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
Hopefully this is just a misunderstanding and not an attempt to make a point with misquoted material. I do have to wonder about it because that is a ploy the right uses a lot to make points. (Misstating facts = FOX NEWS)
Actually since you mentioned bowing it implies it does matter to you. Since it is important to you it is important to me. :thumbsup:
Bowing (ojigi) is an important custom in Japan.
Bowing is a gesture of respect. Different bows are used for apologies and gratitude, to express different emotions, humility, sincerity, remorse, or deference, and in various traditional arts and religious ceremonies.
To preform the bow that would imply weakness you would kneel, bow forward with your forehead and hands touching the floor.
A TIP ON BOWING:
If you are new to Japan, you may find at first that you are not sure when to bow or how low or for how long. Most Japanese just appreciate that you make the effort and try but, if in doubt, bow lower and for slightly longer than the person you are meeting. You canâ??t go too far wrong with that! And when you start bowing on the phone, youâ??ll know youâ??ve got the hang of it.:thumbsup:
"....the left currently represents a socialist...welfare & handout ideology."I'm not going to argue a lot on this point!! I also see socialist...welfare policies. Socialism has always been a part of the U.S. policy. It may be more apparent now that the left is using socialism to undo the damage the fascist on the right have caused. The elitist, military based policies that have pushed this country to the brink may need a touch of socialism to undo them. I don't know. If I knew the answers I would be in D.C. not here.:)
"I also firmly believe there is a growing anti-jew ideology entrenched in the American and European leftists of 2009"
Beliefs are a wonderful thing. Beliefs are even more wonderful when they are rooted in fact.
I don't believe the Jewish community is with you on this though.
According to NJDC - President Obama received nearly 78% of the Jewish vote.
According to Institute of Global Jewish Affairs -Obama received 78% of the Jewish community's vote, the seventh highest percentage in history. The Illinois Democrat trails only Franklin Roosevelt (1936-1940-1944, 90%), John Kennedy (1960, 82%), Lyndon Johnson (1964, 90%), Hubert Humphrey (1968, 81%), Bill Clinton (1992, 80%), and Al Gore (2000, 79%) in receiving such Jewish support.[1]
If you would point me to some FACTS that indicate a Anti-Semitic ideology on the left in America, I would be glad to look at them.
Once again FACTS are nice.
The Fact is NOONE has told me what to eat, what Dr. to see. This is more of an economic thing, I drive if I have Gas, I eat steak if I can afford it. If I can afford a specialist I don't go to the Community Clinic.
"Liberals would reach into your home and mine and tell us what to do if they could..."
The only argument I have with this statement is that it is not confined to Liberals!
Both right and left seek to control us. Some use methods that are direct and some are more indirect. We can be told not to drive or the government can make it less appealing to drive. We can be told which Dr. to go see or we can have it so expensive we can't afford health care.
Both sides want to control us they just implement different tactics to get the job done.
I hope you don't tire easily of these chats. :) I love your input!!
Even though we may disagree on some of it.:computerlove1:
Photographed holding a book upside down? Really? I dunno who ur talking about but that doesnt really tell ya very much. I have a geology book you have to turn upside down to get the mapping right.
Looking at Obamas 1st year in office Id say he is far less expierienced and educated than almost all of his predessesors.....in a year he has gone from the man with the plan to an international punching bag and laughing stock
Off the top of my head Cynthia McKinney, Democrat of California comes to mind for her anti-israel and jew BS.
I thought it was financial irresponsibility and idiotic home loans for people with no jobs got us into the financial mess we are in? The proposed Obamacare bill now dwarfs the cost of the Iraq war....
Letting all those car companies fail with no bailout was the right answer to the crisis...same with the banks...do bad buisness and you fail...story over
Removing Federal guidlines keeping people from buying insurance across state lines and TORT reform is the answer...not creating ANOTHER poorly run Govt agenc..
I was saying the Democrats WANT to be able to control those things. Dr.s, what kind of cars we buy, how much electricity we use and when....control. People see that now.....thats why Obama and most importantly...CONGRESS...is in deep shit IN 2010.
its unfortunate (for them :jointsmile: ) if she has said anything anti-semitic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
The only thing I knew about her (before I dogpiled her. :D ) was that she had some kind of brawl with the Capital security or something.
I wasn't even aware of her work in Gaza. Pretty gutsy chick if you ask me. :smokin:
wiki
Free Gaza Movement
Ship Dignity
On December 30, 2008, McKinney was aboard the ship Dignity as it attempted to enter the Gaza Strip, which had its coastal area declared a "closed military zone" by Israel, while on a humanitarian mission by the Free Gaza Movement from Cyprus. Aboard were physicians, medical supplies, and activists, including Caoimhe Butterly. The Israel Navy confronted the ship at night in international waters. Members of the crew claimed that the ship was rammed, gunfire was directed at the water, and the ship was forced to dock in Lebanon after taking on water[75][76]. Israel officials claimed that the collision was accidental and occurred after the ship was informed they wouldn't be allowed to enter Gaza and tried to outmaneuver the patrol boat; they decried McKinney's actions as being irresponsible and provocative for the sake of propaganda.[76][77]
Ship Spirit of Humanity
On June 30, 2009, McKinney was aboard the Greek-flagged Free Gaza Movement's ship Spirit of Humanity carrying 21 activists including Irish peace activist Mairead McGuire, medical supplies, a symbolic bag of cement, olive trees and toys, when it was seized by the Israeli Navy 18 mi (29 km) off the Gaza coast. It is unclear whether they were in international waters or in Gazan waters, which is subject to the Israeli blockade of Gaza.[78][79] Although both the Cypriot and Israeli authorities were officially informed the destination was Gaza before the vessel's departure, according to the Cypriot government the ship "was given permission by the competent Authorities of the Republic of Cyprus to sail off the port of Larnaca in Cyprus on the basis of its declaration that its intended destination was the port of Port Said in Egypt."[79]
McKinney was held at the Givon immigration detention center in Ramle, until she was released on July 5.[80] The Israeli government would have released McKinney and her fellow activists immediately had they signed deportation papers; however, McKinney at least initially refused to sign, arguing that she could not be sure of what the papers, written in Hebrew, said, and that the papers would require them to admit that they were in violation of Israel's blockade, which they deny.[81][82][83][84][85] According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Israeli officials have noted "that Palestinian Authority and the rest of the international community had agreed to the off-shore blockade to prevent arms smuggling into Gaza."[83] The Palestinian Chronicle reports that such an agreement to the off-shore blockade never happened. "No Palestinians have agreed nor did the international community agree to a blockade of Gaza by land or Sea."[86] On June 17, 2009, a group of United Nations agencies and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) called for an end to Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.[87]
On July 7, 2009, McKinney was deported to the United States.[88] The Israeli government has indicated it will deliver the supplies via land.
McKinney is more stupid than brave....they shoulda shot her and sunk the boat.
Jesse Jackson also has some pretty hilarious anti-jew comments also.....Ill post some Monday when I have some time....Senator Byrd D. the former Klansman has some good stuff to..
^ sounds like they did try to sink her boat. they prolly woulda shot her, too, if they could have got away with it.
I'm not going to turn this into a whole Israel vs. Palestine thing but do you remember what was happening about that time? I remember turning on the BBC to watch the early news that day and seeing an interview with the UN personal on the ground in Gaza. He was saying telling how they had given their GPS coordinates to the Israel Defense Forces and warned them hey had brought all the children to the schools to save them from the bombing. The next day the IDF bombed the schools and scores of school children were killed and maimed. If anyone could have got a boat load of doctors to the scene to help them, I don't give a fuck who might object.
I wouldnt even know where to start with the israeli palesinian war....it was going on before I was born and will continue long after Im dead....
true. Jesse has some classics. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
:jointsmile: okay, I agree. You get the final word on that. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn