that was amazing!!:smokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Italiano715
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that was amazing!!:smokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Italiano715
MG,WAL-MART,JUNGLE GROWTH.and other national brands are produced regionally.what this means is the MG you buy on the west coast is mixed from different stuff and at a different place than the MG on the east coast or southeast.this results in the grower ALWAYS having to modify the mix to their own needs be it foxfarm ,promix, or mg. Do you want to water your seedlings once a week? add just a little perlite.once a day?add a lot of perlite.PH to high? add peat moss or lime.Ya'll know what i mean?as for BUGS just assume your bagged soil has them and kill them before taking the dirt into your grow area.I dump my soil [after drying and adding perlite,lime,bone meal,etc..]into large black garbage bags and drenching with NEEM oil tie it shut and leave for 2 weeks. seem to work for me.
holy crap that seems like alot of things to do. So when you purchase soil you dry the soil then spread it out or something to make sure no bugs are in it? Or does that oil just kill everything in there?Quote:
Originally Posted by seventhchild
Most commercial potting mixes are fine without all of that extra work, and in my opinion bugs have more to do with local vendors and thier handling of the pallets of soil, than the carelessness of the maker. And the handling by the gardener after purchase should be thrown-in too, I guess.
IMHO, not worth getting anal about till there's an issue.
Most commercial potting mixes SUCK if bought in the region I live in.they hold moisture way to long and drain poorly.quite often the PH is to low.and yes the bugs are most likely local but bugs is bugs and it is always better to deal with them and any soil issues BEFORE planting not after.if messing with your dirt until its prefect and fighting bugs is to much work for you maybe farming is not your cup of teaQuote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
the soil needs to be spread to dry to make it easy to work with and get some oxygen in there .NEEM doesn't kill most bugs it confuses them.its really not much work, more like play.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtsik330
Yeah...I have no experience, (if you don't count the past couple of decades, from Cali to Texas, and a few points in between) and I am always blowing smoke up someone's ass. But since your methods work for you, "you go girl". :thumbsup:
As with most things in life...if there is an issue, correct it. If there is no issue, likely there's no need to correct it. But isn't corecting a non-existant problem a tad anal?
I do find it intriguing that everyone in your region mishandles their bags of potting mixes to the point that the end user is needing to correct an infection or invasion. My guess it's not the region, but more likely the gardener. Both the nursery and the commercial potting mix companies would go out of business with business practices like that.
Most commercial mixes are fine, and are usually free from weeds and bugs. REGARDLESS OF REGION.
what ferts. should i use for the vege. stage? thanks
I personally don't like the metallic taste after flowering and curing. Not to mention my brother used the liquid miracle grow. He died from full body cancer in 2006:(...just saying WATCH OUT, life is too short to play Russian roulette.;)
So... Let me get this right, He died from using Mg on his plants huh.? Well I am truly sorry to hear that, And you should maybe look into a lawsuit about that than.! I have used dam near all the Mg Ferts on outside plants and no one I know that has smoked it died or even have gotten cancer. One almost died fro Heroine but that is another story.:thumbsup: I really doubt it was the Mg that gave him cancer, did the doctors tell ya this. Could you actual post some facts on this "theory" that you are stating.? Honestly if it was the Mg I wanna see some hardcore facts, Some kind of information relating Full body cancer to Miracle Grow:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by jamessr
I think you are just Bashing MG cause you probably screwed up your own grow with it by your stupidity:wtf: :D :thumbsup: Now be off with your lil Illrealevent statements you ignorant jackass.
And I am also using Mg potting soil right now, with time release ferts. And I was using the plant food powder which you mix up with your water. I have not had any problems with either product, As long as you wait atleast 4-5 weeks before a dose of nutes.
O and if the Mg really caused cancer I am sure they would be out of products to sell and bankrupt with plenty of lawsuits.
O and the metallic taste, give a good 2 weeks flush of straight water to leach out any remaining nute buildup in the soil. And The taste gets alot better with a Sloooow dry and a nice cure(3 weeks - 3 months) Imo.!
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I had a huge gnat issue that came out of a MG soil bag. Food for thought guys...:twocents:Quote:
Originally Posted by mmjman
Well said Rusty, It has more to do with the vendor Imo also. I have not had to many bug issues, except the last bag I have bought. And I believe it was because they had the last of stock outside at the end of summer, It was rainy and hot which imo makes for lots of bug problems with dirt, soil,landscape shit in general. Easy way to fix the gnat prob. put a lil layer of sand over the dirt man problem solved:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
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He used it for over 30 yrs. No one knew he used it except me, so no, no one filed any suit. How do you do a wash with time release nutes in the bag of MG? Please enlighten me on this one? The more water you add, the more release happens which is taken up.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillerBudG
The metals are in the nutes, research it. One gets a huge build up in the plant. A plant is organic and retains all heavy metals. I suggest you sell you MG investments so you refrain from telling people they are jackasses.
And the cancer did come from the MG. Unless you claim eating vegetables & smoking pot causes cancer. PROVE THAT ONE HUH? He didn't smoke tobacco and was healthy as an ox. Till he bleed to death out his ears, nose, eyes and mouth. Just something to think about Mr. SCIENTIST.
i am currently starting a grow box using 2 bins one upside down on top of the other. My last grow was using MG and now i am going to start using MG organic mix because of the nute problem. Should i mix it with pearlite before i begin to plant my seedlings or should i wait and put pearlite when i see a PH difference???
Thanks in advance for any help and i will be sure to post my grow as soon as i start...
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Originally Posted by jamessr
Hmmm well lets see, My grandma has been using Mg on her garden for years. And never have had an issue throughout my family. Hmm Lets see time released shit, Your plants will use up pretty much all the nutes in sooner or later. I hate to say but the 3 month release is bullshit in its self. And you hit the nail dead on the head fool, Leach out your soil, more water more time released nute released. Keep flushing if you are that concerned but your plants will you most the nutes up. O and a friend of mine mother also uses the Mg in her gardens and I myself have had fruits and veggies from her year after year for at least the last 15 years and guess what no cancer or death so far. Either has my friend or his mother,father and sister.
And you talk about proving shit, Prove the fact your brother death was a direct result from using Mg, Instead of coming throwing bullshit knowledge you believe with no hard fact supporting you argument. Not all of your veggies and fruits, tobacco, Weed, you have consumed was straight 100% organic. And if you smoked any kind of weed off the street or from someone else I can say you have smoked or consumed some kinds of theses 'metals that you can not flush out your products'.
I am not saying i am a SCIENTIST either jackass but here is some shit that can cause all of your brothers symptoms ??lymphogenous dissemination?-Nasal Cavity Cancer....Each year in the United States there are about 1000 new cases of nasal and paranasal sinus cancer leading to about 300 deaths annually from this disease
Since the nasal cavity is so close to the maxillary, ethmoid and sphenoid sinuses, these structures are called the ??paranasal sinuses?, and disease of the nasal cavity can spread to them and vice versa. However, disease starting in the paranasal sinuses tends to be of different types, and is classified separately from nasal cavity diseases. Nasal cavity disease can also spread into the eye sockets by penetrating the thin bone of the ??orbit? (eye socket) surrounding each eye. It can also spread backward to the nasopharynx and brain. As such, there are crucial nerves controlling vision, smell and facial movement (??cranial nerves?) which can be affected, or even the brain may be invaded by nasal cavity diseases. The skin sensation of the nose is conducted by cranial nerve #5, the large ??trigeminal nerve?-- specifically by its ??maxillary division?
There is a rich blood supply to the nose from the nasal, facial and palatine arteries, which branch off the large ??external carotid? arteries which supply the face. The ??internal carotid? arteries are deeper and the main source of blood for the brain. Blood is also drained by similarly named veins into the large ??jugular veins?, which return it to the heart. Thus the bloodstream can be a route for disease spread, called ??hematogenous dissemination?. There is also a network of ??lymph channels? which
collect the tissue fluid (which has seeped out of blood vessels to bathe individual cells)
O and it is also noted.. go ask doctors some people bleed from eyes,ears,mouth,nose from having migraines.! O and if you have blood vessels burst in your brain the same will happen as well.
Now I am gonna leave this thread alone, Mods sorry for being so rude and disrespectful. But the bull shit needs to stop with all these people coming littering this site with their bullshit that has no facts or proof.
I repeat there is no problem growing with Mg products, But you have to pay a little more attention and care to you ladies. Most people...,Even a couple jackasses don't agree with Mg because they either had bad experiences with it or can not grow with it. But it does not mean it is not a good product, If you are willing to take your time and not heavily drench your plants wit the metals "Fert". They are products that say they are organics an are really not even 100% organic funny.
O and if I happen to die from my Mg veggies and fruits, And herb Ill make sure I am allowed to post 1 last message stating that It was the Mg and have hardcore fact stating my death was caused by MG.
Lmao at what you said... I know if I had someone as ignorant as you in my family I would make myself bleed from my ear eyes and mouth and die because your a Jackass. Now go read like a good lil lad and learn about the human body since nothing else can cause bleeding except MG.
Good day JACKASS. ...No better yet go bash another site with your B/s. And what you say is bullshit until you can prove Mg makes you bleed from the nose.ear,eyes, and mouth.
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I would mix some per-lite in with you soil 25% per-lite 75% soil, And the organic Mg still has some ferts in it anyway. Read the entire backside of the package they have it written on tit some where. Then when you look at the Mg soil anyway the nutes in it is not really even that high which is funny I can't see how some people screw up with it. But what works for one person may not work for another person.Quote:
Originally Posted by superskunk1
And bullshit said by one person is still bull shit that was said by that person.
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you are apparently frail and easily offended.however Trollish statements are not productive to open discussions so please keep your replies civil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
agreed ,almost always fine right out of the bag but generally you will have below average growth without modifying the mix . the original poster will have much better results if he adds perlite to his MG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
such as watering before your plants wilt?providing ventilation before your plants get to hot?checking for light leaks before switching to 12/12?removing clothing worn outside before entering your indoor garden?Hmmm....maybe i am being anal but i just don't like bugs in my grow room.an oz of prevention is worth a pound of cure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
thanks killerbudg i will post a thread about my grow asap, all help is gladly appreciated
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He used it for over 30 yrs.
My sentiments exactly. Your inability to see the situation as it is is laughable. (a good carpenter never blames his tools) I'm not the only gardener here with experience calling your bullshit. Get your facts straight or lurk-n-learn. But trying to blow smoke up our ass will end in your failure as a gardener and as a person in general. :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by seventhchild
Frail...? Hardly.
Am I the only one that laughed when I read this?Quote:
Originally Posted by seventhchild
And don't go attacking good people who grow great bud like Rusty. Would you join a church only to argue openly with the priest's sermons? I'm not saying he's spouting the word of God, but as a new member you should respect the leaders & long-standing members of this site or go elsewhere...
As for my two cents, I tried MG tomato ferts when I started growing back around the turn of the century and I didn't like it but that was personal preference relating to my growing & feeding style. Obviously it works or they wouldn't still be around and going strong, but IMO there are better fertilizers out there that were formulated especially for mj.
Oh and I was thinking on a few posts up.....How can one die from the metals consumed through cannabis, FROM the MG? If I'm not mistaken....It would be nearly impossible to toxify your plant with MG. I mean too much BURNS the little sucker right up....
Oh and like Killer said, time release ferts don't ever last as long as they say. Why do you think people still get nitrogen deficiencies and such throughout the grow? I mean common sense would tell you that.
Also, flushing for at least 2 weeks before harvest WILL get rid of most, if not ALL, the nutes out the soil. Then the drying and curing sha'll get rid of the chlorophyll as well as any nutes left in the bud! So propostrous to actually believe MG killed him....I just don't see no truth behind it. Did they do an autopsy and tell you that? Or did you just assume that because he smoked some MG grown weed. If that's the case, your the first person I've talked to who knows somebody who has died from marjhuana. Everybody knows (if they have a brain) that it isn't true. No offense dude, but you did kinda put yourself out there for criticism. I mean RIP to your brother, but I HIGHLY doubt it was MG itself, unless he was eating the shit by the Tbsp! :D
++ Rep, YaQuote:
Originally Posted by Italiano715
I can for one say after 4 1/2 weeks i started having N deficiencies with my continuous release Mg and Then about 5-6 weeks with my time release. Doing a grow with both and must say they seem pretty much the same so far. But I will do it again with clones from the same plant to detail the differences if any.:thumbsup:
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Exactly, because all plants intake nutes differently than others! I have had same results in a little over 4 weeks if I don't use any nutes it starts to show N deficiencies! Ridiculous to think MG actually killed somebody unless consumed directly....wtf :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by KillerBudG
All I use is MG....the regular kind, not the "moisture control" stuff. Drainage is not a problem nor is the soil over feeding the plants. I don't add any additional nutes until after the plants are 10 weeks old(about 2 weeks into flower) The results speak for themselves.
Nice pix, Steve. Great job. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Seems MG has been getting slammed forever in the cannabis community, but even as a newbie I never had a problem bringing a plant to harvest using it. Wonder if it started as a smear campaign by competitors, or bad results from inflexible gardeners, or ideological bullshit from the "organic only" crowd? Whatever the reason, it's nice to see others using it successfully. Doubtful the myth goes away, but it's nice to see cannabis gardeners that can think for themselves. ;)
Lol...Nice Psalm.
Nice yield Steve, looks like someone is having a green christmas:thumbsup:
Totally with you Rusty, next we will hear that MG contains asbestos, PCP's and formaldehyde. Oh and Satan himself dipped his sack into each lot, just to make sure it was nasty stuff. :rastasmoke:
i just bought some and when one of the beans sprout i will plant it into the MG seedling mix then see how that works..
pics all the way
-J
Exactly, I am a noobie myself and started with Mg soil. I have done a few outdoor grows but my indoor defiantly looks way better already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
My only issue so far has been not having money to get my shit together from start and not having Bloom nutes. And going into flower with small pots but hey you live ya learn. Other than that Mg soil is just as good as anything else, as long as you care for it well.
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Awesome pictures and results you posted Steve. Glad people can show off their rewards using the "Evil death dealing Mg products"
Agreed, I am not a pro by any means but with just my first plant grown I used the MG moisture control for three months and did not give the plants any for the first couple months and the plant was great> Except for the couple times i overwatered and the fact that I didn't know the plant could be put into flower at any time, I thought it was atleast a good learning experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillerBudG
always learning... if you dont you wont ever improve
-J
I never said it wasn't a great plant product, did I? Not that I can see from my reviewed posts.
Hell my brother grew plants upto 12 feet tall with the stuff(liquid mix) and was some of the best cannabis I ever smoked, but that isn't or wasn't my point at all. I was pointing to the fact, that even the MG Company themselves have done heavy metal tests and report their findings. Their product has heavy metals, organic living organisms, animals, mammals after time absorb these heavy metals which in turn affect each differently.
Those of us who have qualifying or terminal medical conditions have some sort of compromise in our health, heavy metal build up can occur. As for the one's who are pro's at using this stuff without compromised health issues, :thumbsup:
For those who do have compromised health issues, should beware that this could potentially be harmful.
For those without the above, obviously have no concerns, correct?
this is the situation as it.Quote:
Originally Posted by drudown11
still sounding like a troll rustyQuote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
jamessr: Your concerns are well founded, but totally misplaced.
Ever heard of trace elements?
"of the seventeen plant-essential elements, eight (iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, molybedium, cobbalt and chlorine) are required in small quantities and are thus called trace elements. Of these eight, iron, manganese, zinc, copper and molybdeum are sometimes refered to as heavy metals..."..."yet the term heavy metal does not distinguish between toxic and non-toxic."
Heavy metal tolerance in plants ... - Google Books
Most of us in here are concerned with what goes into their grow. My wife has been on chemo for 7 years now, and I'm dealing with chronic Hep-C. So yes...I do pay attention to what goes into my meds.
But regardless of the hype and nonsense behind the Organic Only cult, there has never been any link to non-organic nutrients being detrimental to your health. Now were we talking about using gibbrelins, auxins, silver
thiosulphate, or any other steroidal/hormonal/toxic heavy metal being used to promote gender-bending and/or plant growth, I'd totally agree. I even stopped using Superthrive because of the secrecy behind the ingredient list. (not to mention it doesn't do enough good, to justify use)
If you are going to claim a product is unhealthful...you damn well better be able to back your claims with data. If your data is valid, it will spread across the web like wildfire, and you'd be deemed a hero. If not, all you are spreading is bullshit, and lord knows there's enough bullshit in these forums to last a lifetime.
seventhchild: Not at all interested in your comments on how I appear. It's simple...if you've got a problem with me, then report me. But it's not something I toss-n-turn all night worrying about. :jointsmile:
Merry Christmas, everyone.
Rusty and others,
I totally agree with not spreading bullshit. I went to the MSDS that MG company puts out. On this data sheet, they list the toxic heavy metals contained in their products as well as non-toxic heavy metals. Mercury is toxic in any form. Although our agencies here in the states allow this toxic substance higher and higher allowances as time goes on. The higher rate of cancer and other serious health issues arise.
Note this is just one toxic substance mentioned which does not ever leave any organic matter and/or cellular structure, even in humans. It is absorbed and stored and is seriously dangerous.It is known to the state of california as a substance which causes cancer. (by the way the autopsy done on my brother confirmed he had full body cancer, head to toe in all his organs, from what is the underlying question here) The MG msds has other toxic heavy metals listed other than mercury. I am not claiming any hero status nor would I if this was/is the case in any given situation.
I have some compromised immune system condition(s), I can not get even near the stuff without having adverse effects on my health. I would ask of those who use this substance on a regular basis to send their cured usable meds to a reputable lab and have it tested for the toxic heavy metals. Share the results here. That's the best way to show either side the facts.
Research what kind of plant the Chernobyl nuclear melt down used to absorb from the ground the toxins. It was the cannabis plant because how it uptakes toxins and stores them. It is well proven cannabis is a absorber of life's harms.
You're right. Living in fear is a good way to protect yourself. Up to a point. :thumbsup:
But you are not going to be able to grow cannabis without some form of nutrients, most of which contain trace elements necessary for plant growth and development. (if not, we add them) Quite a few of us in here are dealing with a compromised immune system, but unless you are drinking the stuff straight or bathing in it, doubtful there will be an issue. (have never heard of one) Did you know there are toxins in organic products, too? fish with mercury, bisphenol-A, (an organic can liner in canned foods) Some animal products might contain trace amounts of harmful contaminants like polybrominated diphenyl ethers, polychlorinated biphenyl and dioxins, How inorganics we consume daily...? like aspartame and other artificial sweetners?
I'm not a doctor, and would never assume to offer medical advise. But, one can go overboard with having an over-abundance of caution. Do you believe that if there has ever been evidence to the contrary we'd hide it from you? Were you talking steroidal or hormonal additives, or silver thilosulphate I'd tend to agree with your caution, since gardeners often have direct exposure, (skin contact) and the ability to overdose thier plants with the stuff, and raising the concentration levels within the plant to potentially toxic levels. (not proven, but I'll avoid smoking hormones, thank-you)
Do you smoke cannabis? Have you had these concerns all along? When purchasing your schwag off the street, did you grill your connect as to it's contents?
Again...sorry about your brother, but his story has no place here, as that's all it is...a story. Not a shread of proof one way or the other. It's like saying my 8 year old second cousin died from cancer because of her mom's new boyfriends second hand smoke. (except for the fact that she had cancer years before her mom met the dickhead)
Might be time to relax, and un-pucker. (nobody lives forever) :jointsmile:
Attacking? I was defending my posts . dusty said my facts are wrong , i was spreading bullshit , and that i was being anal. I don't give a *uck how long he's been here or how many posts he has or if you think he's one step below GOD a dick is a dickQuote:
Originally Posted by redtails
I only respect those that earn it.I will not be a victim of a trolls ranting and raving and I'm here until I die or get banned .Have a happy New YearQuote:
Originally Posted by redtails
man miracle grow is the shit my mom grew her purple kush in miracle grow outside an it grew to be 6 1/2 feet tall an had over a 1 1/2lbs of bomb ass bud on it.
i used mg potting soil,no fert till flowering, once flowerring began started using mg tomato fert at 25% increased to 50% in two weeks. had 7 plants killed two males remaining 5 are ladies! all grown under 4 4ft.40 watt flourescents,and they are budding like crazy! i wish i had been doing this all my life! this is my 1st crop.:thumbsup:,,ps.there are 4 nightcrawlers in each bucket.