Top 2 examples of U.S. foreign depravity/hypocrisy

Thank you for the clarification .
I don't subscribe to the colour chart for personality as I believe nobody is one colour anyways.
I can be really good to people or thier worst enemy, it's all about the individuality of people and thier actions.

This is however of little consequence and is really starting to stray way off topic.

Using history to justify the present is really pathetic and kind of reminds me of children pointing at thier friends indiscretions in order to excuse thier own behaviour. It just don't wash with me.

The current situation where any country that does not fall into line is threatened with "sanctions" and military action is also very reminiscent of the playground too.
The US goverment has shown it's capacity for dirty tricks on numerous occassions and the US public seems baffled that others view thier nation as overly agressive and manipulative.

Are so many Americans so naieve that they believe thier goverment can do no wrong or is it that they prefer to remain blinkered.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

Thank you for the clarification .
I don't subscribe to the colour chart for personality as I believe nobody is one colour anyways.
I can be really good to people or thier worst enemy, it's all about the individuality of people and thier actions.

This is however of little consequence and is really starting to stray way off topic.

Using history to justify the present is really pathetic and kind of reminds me of children pointing at thier friends indiscretions in order to excuse thier own behaviour. It just don't wash with me.

The current situation where any country that does not fall into line is threatened with "sanctions" and military action is also very reminiscent of the playground too.
The US goverment has shown it's capacity for dirty tricks on numerous occassions and the US public seems baffled that others view thier nation as overly agressive and manipulative.

Are so many Americans so naieve that they believe thier goverment can do no wrong or is it that they prefer to remain blinkered.

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You werent very popular on the playground were ya? Im kidding.

I know America has done bad stuff. Im over it.....really could care less. Sometimes for the greater good you have to make a shitty friend to kill a shittier friend or make sacrifices. Thats life.

I had a great time on the playground at school when I was a kid, it was the un-athletic and fat kids that had trouble. Kinda the same in the international community I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Islandborn

You werent very popular on the playground were ya? Im kidding.

I know America has done bad stuff. Im over it.....really could care less. Sometimes for the greater good you have to make a shitty friend to kill a shittier friend or make sacrifices. Thats life.

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What if you're the shitty friend ?

Bush Sr promised the Iraqis who opposed Saddam that they would recieve help in toppling him only to go back on that promise allowing Saddam to slaughter them wholesale when the US and Brit forces withdrew .

Where I come from if you allow somebody else to fight in your place that makes you a coward.

I'm not in the least bit interested in popularity, I prefer to be disliked for my honesty than liked for a lie.

Wasn't that because the United Nations said negative to the full invasion of Baghdad? Shows what listening to that group of elitist blowhards does huh. Life's a bitch. Stop living in fear. America has done shady shit. Shit happens.

Sometimes to topple a terrible nation you have to side with another terrible nation. The Brits know how that works, we prolly lifted ya'lls playbook actually. Only in America, where even our POOR ARE FAT. Too cool.

What is it with your constant repetitition of the mantra "don't live in fear" ?
I never have and never will, fear is completely alien to me.
I can but die , I do not fear death.
Death is like a patient old friend waiting in the wings for the final act of the play that is my life.

Our acceptance of the past is beyond our control but our actions and perceptions shape the future, I'd like to know what you think of this quote .
"He who does not punish evil, commands it to be done".

By accepting our own goverments abuses how can we then point the finger at others ?

Who decides which regimes are evil ?
Isn't the US just simply guilty of what many would see as international bullying.
The fact is that you can repeat the phrase "shit happens" till you're blue in the face but every point I have made you attempt to brush aside with an inane remark instead of actualy discussing them.

You already professed to not care so I shall close for now and await a serious attempt (by yourself or others) to rebuke the points I've made.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

What is it with your constant repetitition of the mantra "don't live in fear" ?
I never have and never will, fear is completely alien to me.
I can but die , I do not fear death.
Death is like a patient old friend waiting in the wings for the final act of the play that is my life.

Our acceptance of the past is beyond our control but our actions and perceptions shape the future, I'd like to know what you think of this quote .
"He who does not punish evil, commands it to be done".

By accepting our own goverments abuses how can we then point the finger at others ?

Who decides which regimes are evil ?
Isn't the US just simply guilty of what many would see as international bullying.


The fact is that you can repeat the phrase "shit happens" till you're blue in the face but every point I have made you attempt to brush aside with an inane remark instead of actualy discussing them.

You already professed to not care so I shall close for now and await a serious attempt (by yourself or others) to rebuke the points I've made.

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So nations who have done bad things are then void from taking action against nations currently doing dumb shit? So i can beat my kids....learn to control that and stop, and then if I see my neighbor hitting his kids, I cant say anything to him or stop him? Pretty unrealistic.


" I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisom of cats is infinitely superior."

Hippolyte Taine

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Originally Posted by Islandborn

So nations who have done bad things are then void from taking action against nations currently doing dumb shit? So i can beat my kids....learn to control that and stop, and then if I see my neighbor hitting his kids, I cant say anything to him or stop him? Pretty unrealistic.


" I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisom of cats is infinitely superior."

Hippolyte Taine

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The use of past tense is a touch out of touch.
Are you implying that America and other western nations are now squeaky clean ?
Are you trying to tell me that the exploitation, warmongering and interference in foreign affairs is a thing of the past for the US and the west?
I really find that a tad hard to believe given the evidence to the contrary.

To use your own analogy
The US still beats it's kids but is a screaming hypocrite that then tells others "you shouldn't be doing that".

â??Donâ??t piss down my back and tell me itâ??s raining.â?� Clint Eastwood, The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) :D :thumbsup:

Im so lost on what particular point your going for with this? Sure, i know America isnt clean...sure we dont play fair sometimes.....sure we have a very, very, short successful checkered past, nobody denies that. So what are you getting at exactly? Cause arguing philosophical points goes nowhere fast.

It would be like a thread titled " Englands partition of India and the blood it shed....list attrocities and mean stuff commited by Brits with bad teeth." We could go all day with that, but there is no end game. We do it to further our nations interests i guess.

Im so lost on what particular point your going for with this? Sure, i know America isnt clean...sure we dont play fair sometimes.....sure we have a very, very, short successful checkered past, nobody denies that. So what are you getting at exactly? Cause arguing philosophical points goes nowhere fast.

It has bugger all to do with either history or philiosophy.
The point is that people such as yourself try to justify the wrongs of today by pointing at the past like petulant children who point and say "but Johnny did it", it just doesn't wash as an excuse.
The only way to make changes to the future is to accept the wrongdoing and correct it , instead the majority of people are happy to bury thier heads in the sand and pretend they don't see the truth.

I personally don't really care much for mankind and to be brutally honest I believe we could do with a few billion less people , I do however have an obsession with the truth.
Denial of our faults only allows us to keep believing we are perfect and we most definately are not.

The dirty tricks our goverments use will always come back to bite them or future generations in the arse.

What would some example's of wrongs that need correcting, and by whom?

I guess I just dont get the whole " Im so dark and mysterious" role. Man has screwed over man since the beginning of time and will continue to do so, I get it. I accept that as part of life. If that makes me selfish or bad or whatever point your getting at, so be it. When it comes right down to it, all I want is for my wife and children and mother to live as nice as possible. Aside from that, everything else is secondary to me. I plan on living and doing exactly as I please until the day I die. And thats the way it should be for everyone. Except for the Brits, for they will be punished for their partition of India & Pakistan and all the babies that cried as a result. Although while I was in London in the Spring, Picadilly looked more Peshawar so I guess they have laughed last. So my bad, there is a wrong thats been righted right there.

You're really missing the point.
It isn't about correcting the past it's about being honest about our part in the present.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

You're really missing the point.
It isn't about correcting the past it's about being honest about our part in the present.

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Im with ya so far.......I know our nation, like all the others, is involved in some shady dealings. No doubt. Are we talking specifics? Iran....Global Warming...what?