MY 90watt led ufo tri ban

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Originally Posted by headshake

whoa whoa whoa! i wasn't knocking you or your thread (or your light for that matter). i was one of the first to comment on your thread and have been following along the whole time.

i was merely asking you a question. all of a sudden you start going into indepth, scienfitic stuff. i was merely asking if those were your words and thoughts or what?

then i saw that they were copied and pasted from a certain website. fine. i was merely talking about those statements from that website....that just so happened to be posted in your grow log. i am sorry for not being more clear.

so next time, step back from the keyboard, take a hit and read what is written. don't try to guess what is inferred. if you have a question, ask. i'm a straight-up dude. i'll answer it. i don't need to try to allude to something, i'll tell ya. just like i'd tell ya to your face. i don't need to hide behind a keyboard and talk trash.

agian, my apologies for not being more clear in my post. that tends to happen sometimes. i start typing, my brain starts running, i have to swith my posts around. sometimes they aren't clear and concise (maybe i should go back and re-read them more).

with that being said, if anything, the fact that you can get the same thing cheaper should have provoked thought. "hmmmmm, i can get this cheaper? where? how?" you know what i'm sayin? that could even make you money.

damn, i'm an asshole. lol.

anyhow. dude, i don't, haven't and won't ever degrade or talk shit to someone for no reason. not my style. all i try to do is help around here. make this place better, ya know?

sorry for rambling. be easy.


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my bad bro. i thought you where talking shit about my grow/lights. i am quick to jump all over shit like that because i always get people talking shit on other fourms. every day i deal with people saying i have cheap ass lights and waisted my money and i am a dumb ass ect... and it realy pisses me off that people would tell somone that instead of just not posting and leaving it alone. yes i copyed it from that web site prosource. its been one of those days, sorry about that bull shit:jointsmile: you have to admitt yiur post did soud like you were talking shit. lol. be easy and smoke on my brother. next time ill ask instead of geeting all crazy.

it's all good potogold. and you're right, when i went back and read it it did look bad. even if i felt the way you say people post (which i don't), i would only offer constructive criticism. i'm rooting for you and LEDs! i'm thinking about getting some.

keep up the good work!


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Originally Posted by potofgold

i guess its kinda like when you mix MH with hps at the same time, it slows down your plant and affects yeild.

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Did the LED fairy tell you that too? Cmon now, who said that using hps and mh will REDUCE yield? Most commercial growers mix both spectrums to get the best of both worlds, not because they want to slow plants down.

I'm sorry i'm challenging here, but I ask you to use your brain before posting what someone told you.

I suppose somewhere along the line that if you had way too much of one specific wavelength that it may do something to the plant, but does anyone out here actually have first hand knowledge about this. Not just that someone said it, but someone that has experienced it.

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Originally Posted by irydyum

Did the LED fairy tell you that too? Cmon now, who said that using hps and mh will REDUCE yield? Most commercial growers mix both spectrums to get the best of both worlds, not because they want to slow plants down.

I'm sorry i'm challenging here, but I ask you to use your brain before posting what someone told you.

I suppose somewhere along the line that if you had way too much of one specific wavelength that it may do something to the plant, but does anyone out here actually have first hand knowledge about this. Not just that someone said it, but someone that has experienced it.

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as a matter of fact i read it in edd rosenthal's books and in mel franks book and ive tested it for my self! and i trust what edd and mel say because they a cannabis gewrus. when i tested it i got less yeild on the side that hade both mh and hps. then the side that just hade hps. and the same happen to 2 of my friends. so i did use my brain befor i posted and no one told me i read it and did it. and if you realy think aboput it its very posable to have too much on one spec or wave length and shut down a plant.

I am really thinking about it I promise. Also reading and researching about it. I see plenty of scientific studies showing that there is an apex of light intensity that chlorophyll can process, but nothing quoting that it shuts down or anything.

You really had a poor yield from combining HPS and MH? And your friend? I'm just trying to figure out why. I have done my fair share of reading both Rosenthal and Frank, along with Cervantes and Soma. I have NEVER seen anything that suggests that mixing HID's would give you a diminished yield. I am simply asking you to either explain the variables that led you to your conclusion, or quote something that you have read.

Too many times on here I run into people who think I'm the asshole for challenging facts. If you can show me something that makes sense that says what you do, I'll definitely read and consider it. I'm just trying to make sense of these things, but if you want me to leave your thread here and go start my own on the subject I will. I'm curious to see how others feel about this, and what their experiences may be with it.

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Originally Posted by irydyum

I am really thinking about it I promise. Also reading and researching about it. I see plenty of scientific studies showing that there is an apex of light intensity that chlorophyll can process, but nothing quoting that it shuts down or anything.

You really had a poor yield from combining HPS and MH? And your friend? I'm just trying to figure out why. I have done my fair share of reading both Rosenthal and Frank, along with Cervantes and Soma. I have NEVER seen anything that suggests that mixing HID's would give you a diminished yield. I am simply asking you to either explain the variables that led you to your conclusion, or quote something that you have read.

Too many times on here I run into people who think I'm the asshole for challenging facts. If you can show me something that makes sense that says what you do, I'll definitely read and consider it. I'm just trying to make sense of these things, but if you want me to leave your thread here and go start my own on the subject I will. I'm curious to see how others feel about this, and what their experiences may be with it.

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i realy dont fell like typing it all out but since you have edds books it on page 42 of ask edd. ive ran my 400mh next to my 1000hps and the side that hade both light got less yeild the the side with just the hps, and the hps side didnt have as much light. then the same thing happen to my friends that didnt belive me. then i was reading my ask edd book and he was saying i sincetific studys the same thing happen. ill have to look threw mel's book and find its page. ive also read Cervantes bible and he dosnt say anything about this. ask around and let me know? but i know what i seen with my own eyes and it was less yeild. i am not saying it wasnt no yeild but less. the reason when thigs get shut down/ slowed is the red spec in the leds when their too much its shuts down/slowes chalarphill A. i have not tested this and i dont not want to test this on my girls. thats why i am staying with the 180w right now. maybe later on down the road i will test this but not now. you are more then welcom to post on my thread i dont care at all. its all good info that is needed to be knowen. as long as noone is trying to put down or bash my grow i dont mind if you speak ur mind.

I hope you didn't take anything as bashing your grow, that was the furthest thing from my intentions. All I was trying to get to was some fact to support your claim. You gave, thank you.

I'm not trying to refute what you have seen with your eyes, it's just contrary to most of the accepted data. You have to understand that if you claim something against accepted knowledge, it's going to be talked about. That's all this is, I'm trying to educate myself and others as to something we apparently aren't aware of.

In the future, if you have the time and feel like typing it out, could you put the quote you are speaking of in ur thread here. ALL of my books have been gifted to noobs for the time being so I can't read em.

shiva & super skunk 5 weeks into flower. 2 days under the new 180w

I would love to get that info too if you can post it or something. cause i kinda like throwin all sorts of lights in my grow.

what book? tittle and page?

cause i am also a bit relectent to believe that too much LEWD is too much or that the mix of MH and HPS is bad or HPS and LED. or whatever.

can you post sights. info. thanks.

your plants look great. nice. I took some pics of mine and will post them up real soon.
(Set this one all up and will be leavin it for school)
its what i set up for my familly. we all have cards. makes me happy.
started at the beggining of summer and two trainwreck plants are bein chopped tommarow :)
we started with soil for about a month then were over it. so its changing into an ebb an flow garden. my dad likes it. I want to keep it simple for him.
right now we have two trainwreck, two 91 chemdawg, and two bannana kush in soil. I also started to flower two chemdawg in a bucket wick thing that works great. and i have a tiny sea of green, kind of sea of green. one with real choppy weather like alaska sea. (a bit uneven). i will shut up now.
i will get the shots up tomorrow.
that trainwreck smells like a lemon pie! :)

looking good POG! can't wait to see how they finish.

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Originally Posted by demoreal

I would love to get that info too if you can post it or something. cause i kinda like throwin all sorts of lights in my grow.

what book? tittle and page?

cause i am also a bit relectent to believe that too much LEWD is too much or that the mix of MH and HPS is bad or HPS and LED. or whatever.

can you post sights. info. thanks.

your plants look great. nice. I took some pics of mine and will post them up real soon.
(Set this one all up and will be leavin it for school)
its what i set up for my familly. we all have cards. makes me happy.
started at the beggining of summer and two trainwreck plants are bein chopped tommarow :)
we started with soil for about a month then were over it. so its changing into an ebb an flow garden. my dad likes it. I want to keep it simple for him.
right now we have two trainwreck, two 91 chemdawg, and two bannana kush in soil. I also started to flower two chemdawg in a bucket wick thing that works great. and i have a tiny sea of green, kind of sea of green. one with real choppy weather like alaska sea. (a bit uneven). i will shut up now.
i will get the shots up tomorrow.
that trainwreck smells like a lemon pie! :)

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it on page 42 of ask edd

thanks I will check it out. :)
keep up the grow lookin good

nice grow.

i too am calling bs on the spectrum lockout thing, although i wil go on record stating that hps usually has a heavier yeild than an mh but when theyre together the buds tend to be higher quality and contain more trichs also much denser, and the difference is grams per plant. so i agree with the statement but not the reasoning.

liike the certo dude and clogging your stomach, for some reason it works but not really sure why.

my buddy runs the two 1000 bulbs in a single hood and blows me away but he doubles wattage. .

im sorry but a 400 next to 1000 is a poor experiment ,the only test i will except is the bulb that contains both mh and hps inside the bulb at 1000w in a seperate room a 1000w hps both running sog style with identical strain environment etc. cause something as small as a minor nute difference can cause major differences in yield

and the sun gives off light in every spectrum at a superior strenght

i also believe spectrum intensity plays a role as per bulb manufacturer

any way looks good, im about to add some led to my mother room, and plan on adding led to flower maybe a procyon on each side of my 1000w and ill report on it, but i yield insane already a lb. from my 400w and 3 from a g next i plan on adding co2 and i think i can hit 5 under my thousand dual spectrum after the co2 addition

all right guys its cool i belive what i belive and you guys belive what you belive. i never study it too the max because i dont real care. all i was saying is that i read it in a few books and have had a problem with yeild when i had mh mixed with hps. maybe i am wrong and ed and mel frank are wrong, i dont know and dont care. i never said it was 100% true just saying what i read. all i want to due is post pics of my led grow and not agree/dissagree about mh/hps. everyones has the own opions and thoughts. if you know somone that uses both mh/hps in one fixture and gets good yeild, then their it is:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by phatsesh101

nice grow.

any way looks good, im about to add some led to my mother room, and plan on adding led to flower maybe a procyon on each side of my 1000w and ill report on it, but i yield insane already a lb. from my 400w and 3 from a g next i plan on adding co2 and i think i can hit 5 under my thousand dual spectrum after the co2 addition

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co2 makes a big diff for sure. i want to get some co2 tanks. my buddy use a 1000w hps and when he added co2 is was alot better "when used right" plus he gets away with higer temps now with co2. that would be a nice grow to see 1000w with 2 100w led on each side. let me know when you do that i would like to see how that gose.. good luck

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Originally Posted by potofgold

all right guys its cool i belive what i belive and you guys belive what you belive. i never study it too the max because i dont real care. all i was saying is that i read it in a few books and have had a problem with yeild when i had mh mixed with hps. maybe i am wrong and ed and mel frank are wrong, i dont know and dont care. i never said it was 100% true just saying what i read. all i want to due is post pics of my led grow and not agree/dissagree about mh/hps. everyones has the own opions and thoughts. if you know somone that uses both mh/hps in one fixture and gets good yeild, then their it is:thumbsup:

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as far as leds locking out plants when their combined? i never said i knew this for sure, i just said i was told this by led makers. and thats was my reason for not useing my 90w with my 180w, because i didnt want to take that chance when my girls are about half way done. i dont know if thats true or not, i am still new to this led thing and havent tested stuff like this out. on my next grow i will test this out because my girls will be young and if they do get messed up then i wont be out of all this time like i would be now with this grow.

it doesnt really matter to me either. im still gonna try ne how.

i heard that co2 works best in an optimized environment and my canopy doesnt get over 76f 10 inches from the 1000w

unfortunatly my veg room cant afford a/c and them damn 400 are hot like 90f so led her i come not to mention power consumption

so how is your penetration = to a 400 i plan on getting 2 leds cause ihave a few mums. strain serching for something better than what i have and so far no avail. and i need another 400 but i cant put anymore wiehgt on that circut so the 2 leds double space have the electric.?

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Originally Posted by phatsesh101

it doesnt really matter to me either. im still gonna try ne how.

i heard that co2 works best in an optimized environment and my canopy doesnt get over 76f 10 inches from the 1000w

unfortunatly my veg room cant afford a/c and them damn 400 are hot like 90f so led her i come not to mention power consumption

so how is your penetration = to a 400 i plan on getting 2 leds cause ihave a few mums. strain serching for something better than what i have and so far no avail.

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from what i read co2 is best at 80-85F*. i cant realy say the penetration of a 400w hps because i only had a 1000w hps and a 400w mh. as far a veging i would say my 90w led was the same or better. ive seen 400w hps grows that suck and some that are bad ass, it all on the grower. but i am very happy with what my 90w did for me. plus my girls have been in 95-100F* their whole life and i dont have A/C in my grow room. i am sure that these temps have mess up my yeild alot. i wont be going back to my hps any time soon or maybe never. its alot cheaper to run my leds for me then to run my 1000w in the hot heat. you can always match up my led pics to a 400whps grow that 4-5 weeks into flowering. my strain is a 8-4 week flower time. so its about half way done but keep in mind my temps were 95-100F* and they are skunks

Have you sold your 90watt yet? Ive been reading your thread and I am interested in it!

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Originally Posted by GetThisOrDie

Have you sold your 90watt yet? Ive been reading your thread and I am interested in it!

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sorry i just sold it

shiva(right side) & super skunk(left side) 6 weeks into flower. 7 days under 180w

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Originally Posted by potofgold

as a matter of fact i read it in edd rosenthal's books and in mel franks book and ive tested it for my self! and i trust what edd and mel say because they a cannabis gewrus. when i tested it i got less yeild on the side that hade both mh and hps. then the side that just hade hps. and the same happen to 2 of my friends. so i did use my brain befor i posted and no one told me i read it and did it. and if you realy think aboput it its very posable to have too much on one spec or wave length and shut down a plant.

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I like this light talk stuff and potofgold your grow looks sick.
this test sounds a bit unsatisfactory.
ofcourse the plants under the hps produced more. yet to do the test correctly you would need light spinners so every plant gets a bit of mh and hps.
new test: (you all send me two light spinners and the lights and i will do it) :)

need,
2 light spinner. I like the fast ones.
and three lights two hps and 1 MH

1: grow with two hps spinning

2: grow with one hps and one MH


In my opinoin you would get a better grow with test 2 I don't care who wrote what book. we are better than them. we can all out prove any book stonner smart guy.
just send me the parts :thumbsup:

check out my photos I put up of some work I did over summer

like i said i dont care about that light thing any more. i dont know and dont care bro.. i can tell you one thing i moved my light from 18" to 12" and came in the room today and one of my girls fell over, just laying on the ground i moved the light back up and put a stick to suport her.. i dont know what happen but i am not moveing my light any closer any more.. now i am not saying that the light did this for sure but it happen the day after i moved it... what makes a plant just fall over like that?? it was my fault i was told not to do it. it was just one of my plants that fell. what happen she looks healthy??

you were too high last time you went in your grow room.
throw up some pics of your ladies soon. the other ones were nice.

man your photos trip me out.
they look so cool under those LED lights.
and you take good shots.
photo 5 is my favorite.

Ya im waiting for more pics as well... my LEDs will be here in a week! Cant wait to try em.

i post pics every week. how many more you want:D do my last ones suck? i need to get some new batterys for my camera

no your last ones were cool. like I said 5 my faviorit. keep takin those shots I love smoking and lookin at the pics under those LED's they look so cool. the buds are lookin good.
lookin forward to next weeks pics.
peace
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Originally Posted by demoreal

no your last ones were cool. like I said 5 my faviorit. keep takin those shots I love smoking and lookin at the pics under those LED's they look so cool. the buds are lookin good.
lookin forward to next weeks pics.
peace
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these next pics are the fun ones. when the buds start to get fat. youll see on fri day:smokin:

I just started a grow in nor cal. I should make a thread of it. did you see the so cal grow i set up and worked on over summer in my albums? like the shots? it was my first grow. it now produces my family with a nice harvest every three weeks. (now the flowering tent has three ebb and flow units)
sorry for rambling on your thread I am restless...
lookin forward to those friday pics :jointsmile:
peace

fine you guys made me feel bad, here are some nice pics for you. SNEEK PEEK

looking good POG! next phtoo-go-round how about your throw something in a picture or two for size reference?

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Nice! Those look sweet dude! Almost time to enjoy them...good job man.

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Originally Posted by headshake

looking good POG! next phtoo-go-round how about your throw something in a picture or two for size reference?

-shake

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you got it bro, on friday when i take my nexts pics ill use my lighter. their not no donkey dicks or anything like that. but not too bad for 95-100f* heat their whole life. they feel real hard and dense. i will take pics of them on my scale when dry.

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Originally Posted by GetThisOrDie

Nice! Those look sweet dude! Almost time to enjoy them...good job man.

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thanks bro. should only be 2-3 weeks more. the super skunks will be maybe another 4 weeks or more. the heat realy stund them alot.

your buds are lookin so nice. LED's work well. I have been impressed by your whole grow.
and your pics are getting better, in an artistic way :thumbsup:
peace

shiva & super skunk 7 weeks into flower. 15 days under 180w

Those look wonderful! Ive been following your thread for awhile and I have to say that your grow swayed my decision on LEDs. My LEDs should be here on monday. Got some strawberry haze seeds just waiting to be cracked...If i could find my damn camera cable i would start a grow log! grrr...

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Originally Posted by GetThisOrDie

Those look wonderful! Ive been following your thread for awhile and I have to say that your grow swayed my decision on LEDs. My LEDs should be here on monday. Got some strawberry haze seeds just waiting to be cracked...If i could find my damn camera cable i would start a grow log! grrr...

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thnaks man:thumbsup: what kind of leds did u buy?

after this grow i am going to do a led challenge between pro source's 180w 5-ban, agianst a Hydro grow led 126w leds unit.
hydro grow led contacted me and said they wanted to give me a free led light to challenge pro sources 180w ufo. i took them up on the offer so next grow will be a side by side test between the two.