and another thing, if this is overnuting, why can others keep their plants alive in miracle grow?:wtf:
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and another thing, if this is overnuting, why can others keep their plants alive in miracle grow?:wtf:
I vote over nuting. Fox Farm is pretty harsh on the young ones. I've grown bagseeds in beer cups of seedling starter on ZERO nutes. Just plain 6.5 PH'd water. And they grow lush and green. Transplant into some MG moisture control and perlite, and they explode.
I think going to your local nursery or something along those lines and getting some seed starter. Peat is also known to cause low PH. So keep an eye on the runoff PH and let us know what it is.:jointsmile:
Maybe even trying a little more perlite that what the FFOF comes with may help with drainage. If the organics in the FFOF are time released or 'soluble' and you have over moist soil or not enough drainage, the extra moisture could cause the soil to have nute buildup and burn or even lockout the plants.
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Hi Befree, I have only had success in seedling soil, if you even call 10 grams out of 4 plants success although my very first grow yielded about 14 grams off 1 plant (caramelicious) and as far as i know there is no seedling soil in existance that isn't peat based (not in canada anyways). The current runoff of my soil is ph 6.5 quite perfect.
also the plants that made it to harvest were grown in the seedling soil right through flowering and i nuted every second watering.
and like I said I will show you guys exactly what happens when I use plain soil with nothing in it, I already know what happens, the plants look good at first, wouldn't exactly call it lush and green though, then they stop growing all together, and then turn into 1.5 inch little greenish brown pieces of shit as if they have just completly starved to death.
your temps are a little high. it looks, by the pictures of your setup that the hot air is stagnating in your bucket. the fan blowing on your (hopeful) ladies doesn't really do anything to help this as it's more than likely swirling hot air around in your bucket.
try playing with your setup.
-shake
i play classical music on a loop for the first two weeks on low volume.the results are strong plants that can hold big buds.also bend them back and forth every day to make them more sturdy...try it . no pink floyd,they hate it
haha lmao thanks man that cheered me up a bit ok i will see if i can find some classical music, I enjoy it myself.:)
I agree, this is the last thing I can think of... come to think of it my first plant and most successful plant was the only plant i grew in the basement where it was quite cool. hmmm I will try this next plant in the basement, i would rep you again if I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by headshake
but I still stand by what I say with feeding plants and i bought some soil, it is the first time i seen this soil at rona and it cost me almost 8 bucks for this little bag.
ok I germinated a bagseed and is now in my new seedling soil.
Question- the ph of my tap water has always been around 8.2 for the last 2 years now all of a sudden I check the ph today and it is ph 6.8:wtf:, whats up with that? Its not my meter because i checked it with my liquid kit as well. Has anyone else had a dramatic change in tap water ph?
I don't have that big of a drop, but mine usually ranges from 7.4 to 6.3
That's why it's so crucial to know your PH when growing, little thrown off can do some damage :mad: lol
Day 19 - For those that think i had nute burn here you go, they look a hell of a lot better after the nutes. and this is why I dont wait until a certain node to feed.
wow those pics from from your previous grow at 19 days no nutes and your new pics with nutes do look quite bad
the set up you have will create wind burn with that fan blowing down onto them in the bucket like that you always want your wind gowing across them or coming from the under side of them sort of blowing the leaves from underneath with that large fan blowind down on them it will cause the wind burn and kill your plants and stunt the growth think about the wind out side when you look at plants its always blowin across them or from a slight angle up from the ground blowing across but up at the same time this will always work best for instance if you were to cut a nice size whole in two sides of your bucket so the air could come in one side and go out the other while setting your fan pointed towards the bucket and the hole instead of down into the bucket it should eliminat any of the wind burn that may cause the plants to wilter and stunt in growth
As for the nutes if you are not using soil like mirical grow or something that has nutes in it good for the first 2 months or so of growing i would still wait till the plants are at least sprouting 5 pointer leaves before adding any nutes and than only at half what is recomended per gallon of water till u see how they react I have grown in mirical grow and never had a problem with the plants needing nutes for at least the first 2 months than i would add once the plants were about 8 to 12 inches tall and i have always had great results i also used cfls
are you blind? are you saying there is no improvement or they look worse after adding nutes? Shows how small of a person you are:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by jkilla420
I went through your journal again to help out.The only things that i can tell of been told to you already,so i'm going to explain how i do it,maybe you can get something out of this.It's a plant and you seem to have a problem growing
and shouldn't be this hard 'so here it goes.
I start by putting seed in a cup of ph'ed water about 5.8,my tap water is 8.2
I done this for about 3 years with 100% success.About 1 to 4 days i get roots
I then put my seeds in a cup of perlite and vermiculite carefully with the seed shell sticking out of the medium,and water with tap water brought down to a ph of 5.8,and soak the medium with water until the water comes out the hole in the bottom of the cup.Now this is where we disagree i DO NOT add nutes until i see at least 3 sets of leaves.my tap water is about 150 ppm on its own,so there is some nute's from my tap,like rust,calcium etc but very little and unknown exactlywithout a test,(no chlorine).At about 3 weeks i start with the nutes,i use dnf 2 parts nutes at about 200 ppm to start, watering every 3 days.Now my tap water is 150ppm,so i am only adding 50ppm of dnf grow nutes,not much at all,you don't want to shock the plants with too much nutes to start.As your plants grow bigger,you bring your nutes up at roughly
200 ppm every week(i'm estimating here, sometimes more, sometimes not at all depends how your plants look).now your setup,your fan should not be blowing on your plants when there that young,have your fan blowing acrossed the top of your box,as the fan blows it will draw air from the box as it flows acrossed the top.Check your plants if they move just a little bit every couple a seconds then you know there is air flow.
The temps could be a problem at 85 or more,give them 18 hrs of light 6 hrs of dark, you don't need 24 hrs lights at this point.take them out of the box and put them on a window ledge or in a bright room for a few hrs a day,the will like it.
I'm not a expert but have had some good luck going pot,stick with it Mike,it will come through,hope this helps and good luck bro
P.S if i think of something else i will get back to ya
those plants need help with more light
thanks cheapguy, yeah i have switched my lights to 18-6, I know my temps have alot to do with it but I have no air conditioning and it gets pretty darn hot some days. lately it has been cold and raining outside and cooler in the house and all my plants are doing quite a bit better. The setup they are in right now is only temporary, when they go under the 400 watt hps they wont be in a stupid box.
thanks man but I dont think so. As far as I know lack of light causes stretching and not sickly plants.:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by mazman1989
I've experienced that the height you have your light and strain your growing causes stretching. Sativa is the worst as far as stretching goes. As soon as you put them into flower they go crazy with growth! The lower you can get your light to the tops of the plants the shorter they will be.. That will get the nodes growing closer together..
Ga Grown!
Posted by cheapguy
Now this is where we disagree i DO NOT add nutes until i see at least 3 sets of leaves.
now your setup,your fan should not be blowing on your plants when there that young,have your fan blowing acrossed the top of your box,as the fan blows it will draw air from the box as it flows acrossed the top
THESE ARE THE SAME POINTS I MADE TO YOU IN AN EARLIER POST SO WHY ARE YOU TALKIN SHIT TO ME AND NOT CHEAPGUY WHEN HE IS SMART ENOUGHT TO POINT OUT THE SAME STUFF GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PLANTS LEARN HOW TO TAKE SOME ADVICE
BY THE WAY IM NOT BLIND YOUR PLANT LOOK LIKE CRAP WITH OR WITHOUT NUTES
hay michael... are your lights on during the day time when its hotter outside..if so change to the night time,this will help the temps... and get a hydrothermometer,they are cheap and essential. if you dont know the temps and humidity how can you fix anything? best of luck with them,they are perking up..:)
What's the update mike ,how's it coming
yes my lights were on during the day and i have how switched them to be off from 3:00pm - 9:00pm thanks for the tip, good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by fourkicks
Day 31 - I am going to continue this log with barneys farm fem red dragon and fem LSD, about the same age as the bagseed. Not continuing with the bagseed because i only had enough foxfarm oc for 2 1 gallon containers and didn't want to waste it on 2 unknown gender bagseed. I may buy some miracle gro moisture control and put the bagseed plants in that but i dont have high expectations for them. The red dragon and lsd are under 400w hps they dont look great but are doing okay, pictures will come later today.
Alright Michael!
Those two were on my "short list" on my last buy.
I'll be watching :)
M.P.
welcome, good to have another person to keep an eye on things. don't get your expectations too high though, I have yet to have a trouble free grow.
That's ok Mike you only get better with practice,a 400 watt is all i use for flowering you will notice a better crop
peace
sorry for the late not great pics, burned the red dragon a little, shouldn't have nuted right after transplant. LSD leaves looking twisty and wierd not sure why my guess is just from having a rough start (hot temps and limited air circulation) but has been growing well the last 7 days or so.
pic 2 red dragon
pic 3 LSD
pic 4+5 bagseed
looking better michael.. what type of light is that you have..
i see theres a couple DNF user here,i also use it///
michael...
heres my method to pop seed
put in glass of water for up to 24 hours
place in moist paper towel in plastic
then put in a 500 mil cup filled with promix soiless dampen
still here after 12 hour power outage.will finish.
i fert when first ture leaves start
i would stay away from MG products..
any help i can give you i would be happy to share
thanks guys, the light is 400w hps
you might want to fashion some kind of reflector to place above your light.
you can use a piece of cardboard and an aluminized auto sunshade.
keep it up man!
-shake
so how old are those plants??
have you got a PH tester???
just over a month old, yes i have a tester. I know they should look alot better for their age.Quote:
Originally Posted by weezer
yeah lots of wasted light, I have been looking for reflectors online but they seem to always come with the socket attached. Not sure how to make one myself or how I would mount it, if you or anyone has step by step instructions on making a reflector let me know. ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by headshake
actually I now found a batwing reflector with socket not included but will have to come later when i have more money.
you can buy hoods online without the socket. try here.
or like i said, use a piece of cardboard and an aluminized sunshade for a car. i found mine at the $.99 store. just cut the cardboard to the size you need and put the shiny side of the shiny side down. better yet, get a piece of flat white poster board. they have the kind with the foam inbetween the sheets.
-shake
cut a beer can in half and mount it as a ghetto reflector:thumbsup:
.........leave the end with the mouth hole on it and cut a circular hole for the end of the bulb..i think there is somthing on the faq section.. happy growing mike
wow looking better you are on your way ,a board painted white for a reflecter
is better than nothing,do you have access to some mylar by chance.
thanks for the suggestions but i think i am going to wait until I have enough money to buy a batwing reflector. money is tight right now.
I do have access to mylar from the local hydroponic store but the stuff comes on a roll and it NEVER uncurls, perhaps because of the climate they store it in i dont know but anyways a royal pain and I probably wont try it again.