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Jorge Cervantes is indeed a great man, but he is mainly a guerilla grower. Not to mention, that with my experience in outdoor or soil growing, I would totally agree with you and not use any nutrients in this stage of growth because the soils are filled with nutrients.
But, with indoor hydro, it seems that people are split over this theory in the different publications. I think it goes to your personal prefrences here. I personally saw my girls do much better in terms of growth with a 1/8th nite cycle and then the 1/5 I have them on now. I am sure over time we will all experiment and find what works best with each strain. As, I am sure we have all learned that all strains are totally different than the next.
I will experiment to find the best growth and yield of my plants until I find my personal "right nute mixture" as I am sure everyone does.
In the end, I believe we are all correct as long as we are able to stinky, sticky high potencey ganja, with the best possible yield for our efforts. It was not too long ago that hydroponics wad first introduced. There will always be advancements, and we all should learn from everyone and incorporate it into our growing regiment. Whether it be scrogging or nute schedules, we can always find new ways to make fat sacks and mighty fine hash!
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Hey support, nice grow there buddy. Those bitches look sexy. I will watch your progress there for sure. U should net over a pound for sure. Wish there was a smellernet so I could drool over the aroma. How is the smell so far, and are u using a carbon filter to keep it under control?
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Originally Posted by Supportradicalhabits
From what I'm seeing you still have your seedling leaves, you should wait until those fall until nutrients are added. The marijuana plant has nutrients stored in those seedling leaves to get it going in the world, once those are gone it then relies on the root system that has established over its seedling phase. So my suggestion would be back off on the nutrients for now and make sure that temperatures are hospitable for your ladies. Good luck bro, happy growin :rastasmoke:
you are correct about the cotyledon containing nutes. i've however seen big, mature plants with them still on and as green as ever. some say this is a way to judge the health of your plants.
feeding nutes to seedlings in hydro is fine, as some of you have said.
correct me if i'm wrong about the nutes, but it is either general hydroponics or advanced nutrients that ARE formulated specifically for cannabis? i know it's one or the other.
-shake
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Originally Posted by headshake
you are correct about the cotyledon containing nutes. i've however seen big, mature plants with them still on and as green as ever. some say this is a way to judge the health of your plants.
feeding nutes to seedlings in hydro is fine, as some of you have said.
correct me if i'm wrong about the nutes, but it is either general hydroponics or advanced nutrients that ARE formulated specifically for cannabis? i know it's one or the other.
-shake
advanced nutrients is what your thinking of. I'm not that advanced though haha. I use the FF 6 part nutrient system and attempt to tailor the ppm's to the needs of my women. I really like FF because of its organic properties and also because it breaks down so well for organic ferts. still learning haha.
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Originally Posted by martyrprojekt
Hey support, nice grow there buddy. Those bitches look sexy. I will watch your progress there for sure. U should net over a pound for sure. Wish there was a smellernet so I could drool over the aroma. How is the smell so far, and are u using a carbon filter to keep it under control?
Thanks man, and yes I am using a 6inch goblin carbon filter for the aroma... it smells great man. I've never even seen, heard or smoked BlueHog or Groman... but from the looks of it, it will be worth the wait.
Blueberry X Hogsbreath = yum
Romulan X Shaman X Grapefruit = [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4[/YOUTUBE]
haha, thanks for the complement. Looking forward to seeing some fat nugzzz on your grow to bro :jointsmile:
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are you talking about the liquids and the soluble powders? if so, isn't the only one of those that is organic is the big bloom?
-shake
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yes I am, and the big bloom from what I understand is the only one that is both organic and natural. The others have organic materials in them but they have chemicals in order for the organic materials to break down more efficiently. One of the problems that I read about organic fertz is that they break down much slower and are less efficient then the non organic, the non-organic has all of the nutrients made available instantly. As for the organics it is supposed to break down at a slower rate and makes it hard to accurately read the ppm's. As I've stated before I am still learning, but that is what I have come to understand.
BigBloom = worm castings, bat poop... cant really remember, but to sumarize; yes, technichally the only fully organic fert is the big bloom.
You may correct me if I'm wrong.
p.s. not sure if the soluble powders are organic at all, can't remember :/
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you are right, big bloom is the only organic. the solubles are not. probably not even close.
not trying to jack your thread marty. what's up on some pics?
-shake
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Headshake, I am starting to think you are into seedling porn. LMAO! :thumbsup:
So, not much going on today. Here is the progress so far, tomorrow, the plants are going in hydrotron...This is necessary! Enjoy the pictures!
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Happy Growing :hippy:
-Martyr Projekt
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i appreciate plants in general marty, thank you very much! i enjoy looking at peoples setups and stuff just as much. i like to see how others think, get ideas etc etc.
the plants look like they are coming around nicely. glad you have gotten a grip on your woes.
-shake
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2 full days on the my new nutrient cycle. The plants are loving it. The growth was explosive over the last 48 hours. Look at the comparison from yesterdays pictures. I think this grow is looking rather sexy!
Anyways, enjoy the pictures...I do plan on putting a couple side lights up by tomorrow. I am putting of adding hydrotron for a couple days. Just does not seem right to do it just yet.
Let me know what you think!
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Happy Growing :hippy:
-Martyr Projekt
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Hydrotron isnt needed until roots start showing out of those 4" (think thats right size) RW cubes. other than that they look real sweet :thumbsup:
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So, my roots have fully developed are creeping around the tray. I will be moving them into hydrotron today, and into a larger tray. New plants will also be added to the veg room tomorrow along with adding lights to this veg room. I will post pictures when I am done so you all can see the setup.
The grow is looking very nice and I can not wait too get some clones taken next month to determine the sex of my plants. Should be good, I already think that I have 5 girls and 3 boys based upon the plant development and thx development on the leaves. The sticky and stinky leaves are always a good sign.
I will post some pictures later
martyr projekt
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So I moved some things around in the grow room. I put in my larger tray to make sure that I have ample room for the rest of the seedlings that are coming aboard.
Enjoy, I will be posting the hydrotron addition in 3 days, and also I will be posting some new pictures at that time.
Let me know what you think of this set up...I will be adding my new row lights to this in a few days also!
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Happy Growing :hippy:
-Martyr Projekt
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Lookin good. Those stems are going to really fatten up and hold thier own real quick, then you will have to tie them up later cause of the heavy buds hanging on them. LOL
I'm along for the ride. Good show.
I love to see a good plan come together.
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hell yeah Loc I'm enjoying watching this one :jointsmile:
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So here is the scoop on the last four days.
Feeding:
The plants have been on a watering cycle that waters them 3 times per day. I am currently using 3 part GH hydroponic nutes at 3.33,1.66,1.66 ml per gallon of distilled water.
Tomorrow begins the new growth cycle for full veg nute solution...at 7.5, 5, 2.5 ml per gallon of distilled water
Lights:
Still on an 18/6 schedule and looking good. I added two can CFL lights at 100 watt equivalents. I am considering adding 4 more to this room...since the plants seem to love these soft CFL lights. I will use my T5 for mid-growth and clones, and the CFL cans for veg growth.
Plant Status:
I currently have 8 strong (females, please god let them be females:thumbsup:) citral plants in their full veg state. They are all doing quite well, but some are doing far better than others.
Tomorrow is the day for the hydrotron. I know I have been saying this for a while, I just wanted to make sure the roots were growing nicely. Sometimes it is better to make sure everything is going smoothly before transplant.
---Enjoy the pictures I added. Please let me know what you think!
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Happy Growing :hippy:
-Martyr Projekt
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having trouble with the servers not taking my pictures...hopefully it works tomorrow morning
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I currently have 8 strong (females, please god let them be females) citral plants in their full veg state. They are all doing quite well, but some are doing far better than others.
There are always runts in the crowd. Not to worry it's normal. We are watching and hoping you get all females but one male always shows up when it's ladies night. LOL That's why we don't count on just one plant. Better to have many and only lose a few.
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Everyone I've heard growing says they want a bunch of plants cuz they aren't always female, almost every grow I've had, the plant (one solitary plant) ends up female......guess I'm lucky.....
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Link to pictures from another site...since this site is unable to upload pictures...
Link to pictures
peace,
Martyr Projekt :hippy:
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New nutes are doing good...I am needing to add more cal mag though. Magnesium defencencies are prvoing to be a little bit of a problem...some of the bottom leaves are wilting downward and getting brown spots. Not nute burn, definitely magnesium issues.
I would post a picture, but this site is really lacking lately. I have no clue why!
peace,
Martyr Projekt:hippy:
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Originally Posted by martyrprojekt
New nutes are doing good...I am needing to add more cal mag though. Magnesium defencencies are prvoing to be a little bit of a problem...some of the bottom leaves are wilting downward and getting brown spots. Not nute burn, definitely magnesium issues.
I would post a picture, but this site is really lacking lately. I have no clue why!
peace,
Martyr Projekt:hippy:
Irony maybe? In the fact that in the beginning you said, "Cal mag solutions does, in fact, own this forum!", yet ya ended up having a bit of that deficiency :D LoL
this site has it moments, but it's become my home...I wouldn't trade it for the world :D
The kids are looking nice though! I'm sure you'll get everything in tune sooner or later!
Happy Growing M8!
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You all cursed me with the cal mag. That is a definite. Lets just all hope this site doesn't go down again. like a few years ago.
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added calmag and new T5 LIGHT to veg room. Girls seem to be loving it so far. Hopefully I can post these pictures today. We shall see!
No pictures can be posted on this site still...here is a link to see pictures.
Happy Growing :hippy:
-Martyr Projekt
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more pics for your enjoyment. Added hydrotron today almost without incident...While moving around my drip watering system one of the tops of a plants broke off...I know, I know...it is karma for cursing earlier in this thread. Besides that the girls seem very nice and healthy.
New seedlings are sprouting and are doing quite well. I will be putting them in rockwohl tomorrow. (I swear! :D)
Watering cycle seems like it has been too little. Have not adjusted yet...but, I am considering going to 4 times per day. We shall see. It looks like the girls are hungry/thirsty. Tell me if you agree with this statement.
Calcium and magnesium deficiency is being handled. Plants are bucking up and lower leaves are showing signs of recovery. Brown spots are going away also! Slowly though.
Any comments or suggestions are always appreciated!
One month till cloning! WAHOOOO! :jointsmile:
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Happy Growing :hippy:
-Martyr Projekt
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Looking goooood !!!
They look healthy but not really thirsty.
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The biggesr of the plants are exhibiting signs of underwatering. I will keep with the 15 minute waterings 3 times per day for now. But, if they start showing more signs I will bring that up.
I am putting the new seedlings in rockwohl today as they have all sprouted and seem to be doing fine. Not leggy at all under this t5 which is nice. I will be propping them up underneath a brick to give them better light exposure also.
One month to go till clone. And these girls are very stinky. Love the smell, makes me want to pack a bowl :jointsmile:
anyways,
Happy Growing
-Martyr Projekt
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H= Hydro Grow
C= I am not growing in Coco
S= Not traditional soil
L= No other soiless mix
R= growing in RockWool
T= growing in HydroTon
D= Automatic drip system grow (8 point system)
E-indoor
E-hydroponic
E-Hydrotron
CSL-no soil
HCL-Hydro drip system
SCL-no soil or additives
SCLR- Runoff ph at 6.2
E-Distilled water
E- nuetral
HRT- Distilled purchased from store
E- 30 days
E- GH 3 part nutes, agressive growth schedule. Cal Mag 1 tablespoon per gallon of Distilled water
E- Do not know my ppm level (need to purchase a ppm meter)
E- T5 4ft. 6 bulb lamp
E- Air temperature is 76-78 degrees F, Night temp is 65-70 degrees F, res is room temperature.
E- Humidity runs at 44-50%
E- 18/6
E- oscilating fan, vent fan at top of room, and air in through ac unit.
TR- Soaked media in Distilled water...don't think this is effecting anything at this point though.
My question is this. Is this normal for fan leaves to bend upwards from the vein? Please look at the pictures I have provided.
I have been spraying the plants with a distilled water cal-mag foliar spray due to calcium and magnesium deficiency that has been taken care of since the addition of agressive nute schedule and foliar spray combo.
The last time I changes the res was last week. I will be changing it today...and continuing aggressive veg growth schedule as listed by GH recommendations.
Any help would be appreciated...and if you think I am just being a paranoid stoner, that would be helpful too!
Any questions you might have, I will be glad to answer. Thanks!
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Happy Growing
-martyr Projekt
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...here is some more pictures. Enjoy!
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dam nice looking plants :thumbsup:
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PROBLEMS:
*I am getting one plant that is droopy
*I am getting this canoeing effect upward from the vein in my fan leaves, no downward drooping. But, something that needs to be watched.
*I am still noticing some lingering calcium and magnesium issues, which is probably the main issue that is causing all of these symptoms.
Note: It seems like I am seeing the beginning stages of lockout, only time will tell with this one!
PLAN OF ACTION:
* I am going to see if I can get the plants to perk up with the new nute schedule first. My PH is staying at 5.8, and that seems good since I flushed the res yesterday.
* If I continue seeing signs of these issues, I will be flushing with distilled water and cal-mag only. I want to see if the new nute regiment works prior to flushing the res again and using just distilled water and cal mag.
* I raised my lights today. I think I was burning the tips of the larger plants...too close to T5 light.
* I am considering putting the plants into pots with the hydrotron instead of just sitting in the tray. I think this will make things easier in moving the plants to flower later this month.
* I have decided to flower all of the these plants when the time is right and I get these issues under control. Tweaking these hydro systems is proving to be a bitch, I miss the simple nature of soil sometimes. (LMAO)....But, I know this shit smokes soooo much better. :jointsmile:
WHAT I NEED FROM THE FORUM:
* Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong here would be helpful. At 30 days I should now be able to use full strength veg nutes to get these girls exploding with growth.
* I am wondering why growth in some of the plants seems stagnant. The plants are getting super dense, and I am not seeing much height from these girls. I raised the lights in hopes to correct this problem, as I think that might have been the case. :wtf:
* Should I flush now, or wait?
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So...I flushed the res...again. Distilled water with Cal mag. Ph level is at 5.8...
I also did a foliar spray of water with cal mag.
This was necessary. I could not avoid it, and I did not want to cause potential damage because I failed to act quickly. I need to get this lockout over with, and move onto some growth.
Also, I am considering tying down two of the plants later this week...to let the rest of the plants catch up to the canopy I want to develop.
So, With all of this being said...it is time to continue the flush. I let the new water run for 30 minutes after the flush during its normal watering time. I wanted to make sure the nutrients were being worked out of the tray.
We shal see the girls buck up after a couple days...and the canoeing issue will be totally gone. I am positive of it.
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Happy Growing
-Martyr Projekt
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Flushing the res with distilled water and calmag did the trick. The growth today was good, along with the plants correcting themselves from the lockout. There is a light at the end of this tunnel. :jointsmile:
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Happy Growing :hippy:
-Martyr Projekt
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raising lights should help with height and full str nutes no doubt :thumbsup: sorry I running a little late hehe. what is light height at now? if already stated I appologize and must have missed it. seperate buckets would make the move to flower alot easier I am sure. I do my whole grow in a tray so I dont have to move them but can tell you the entire tray is a root mass at the end :D
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So...What has gone down the last two days!
Course of Action taken for Nute Lockout:
* Flushed res for 2 days with distilled water and Cal Mag, Watered for 30 minutes when I changed the res to water with Cal Mag.
* Watched the girls like a hawk, making sure canoeing effect disappeared, and discoloration was clearing up.
* sprayed distilled water and cal mag solution as a foliar spray for plants. 3 times per day over the 48 hours. (have continued to do so 2 times per day since)
Results:
*Plants became really bushy...which is the point of aggressive growth nutrients.
* 48 hours after flush and with plants showing signs of full recovery...I added full strength nutes again.
Notes:
- The mistake I made was not correcting the nutrient imbalance of calcium and magnesium deficiency before continuing with my aggressive veg nute schedule. If not corrected your plants will lock out quickly...and not absorb the nutrients needed to sustain growth.
- This imbalance caused the plants to show signs of nitrogen, calcium, magnesium, and iron imbalances. This can throw off the beginning grower...Always revert back to the original symptoms the plant was showing. Flush your system for 48 hours and address the imbalances first shown. THIS WILL SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM...95% of the time.
This strain is very resilient, as I have killed less resistant strains with far less issues. I have attached some pictures for you all to see the result of my troubleshooting this problem. A big thank you to everyone who has provided feedback and advice...Especially LocNar, Italiano, and TinyToon...Thanks a million.
26 days to clone. The countdown begins. :jointsmile:
Oh yeah...Raised my lights to get some vertical growth...not just bushy plants, I want these bitches taller! :D
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Happy Growing :hippy:
-Martyr Projekt
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Looking awsome. Yea just a little stretch to take cutting is good.
Can't wait to see some buds. I will be following for sure. Maybe I can sneek a pic of mine if I can get a camera that works. We got just about 3 weeks till finish.
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SO the girls are averaging about 1 inches in height...I raised the everyday the last two days to get more height out of them.
They are back on aggressive growth and doing quite nicely. Huge difference in growth and vegging.
Changed res again...they sucked up tons of my water the last couple days. I am thinking about adding a fourth feeding every day. We shall see.
Leaves underneath the fans leaves were showing canoeing...Probably why my ph was so high before I changed my res...The little girls wanted more nutes. 4th feeding should do this! Fixed ph by flushing res, and adding nutes. At this rate these girls are gonna make me poor with how thirsty they are.
Here are some pics...let me know what you think...Oh yeah...seedlings are looking good too...Not leggy at all!
LOC...post some damn pics I wanna see your work.
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Happy Growing :hippy:
-Martyr Projekt
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My 800 dollar fuji camera took a crap on me but I barrowed one and maybe I can get some good pic's. The fuji took awsome pic of tric's close up. Have to play with the camera for close ups. I will post this evening as the lights don't come on till about 8 east coast time. I think I have a few when they first started too.
Just remember when you start drooling so am I. No meds here untill they finish. LOL
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I had to try 2 times and then had to turn the lights out. The crappy camera does not have a flash. Oh well here they are. Maybe not too bad. I will get a better camera or get mine fixed.