CFL, third grow, bagseed from EXCELLENT bag (popcorn)

it'll be a little bit before they get crystals. I'm growing some bagseed myself, so here's a couple of pics.

pic #1 some where around 2 weeks of 12/12
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pics #2 & #3 are around 3 weeks. almost over night they frosted over.
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pics #4 & #5 are around 5 weeks
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I also have a plant that appears to be a sativa dominant. It looked about the same as my indicas till about week three, but it still has no sign of crystals to speak of. I'm thinking it's going to be atleast a 10wk strain.

Thanks fluid, that's exactly what I needed to see. :) I feel a lot better now. Oh my lights and fan just turned on in my cab gonna check if any more clones have sexed yet. I've increased my dark time to a little more than 12 hours to try to speed up sexing it seems to take forever though that's probably just due to the cutting being taken from immature plants. The mothers are only just starting to grow alternately. :)

Tapwater F showed his balls today. :( His little flower and the growth tips of his dad are in my toaster drying now. I guess I have smoke tonight!! So far that's two male, one female, and five unknown.

Another male, another female!! I'm gonna be choking on some nasty boy-leaf, but at least it smokes, and I got one more set of plants out of my grow area. I have a good example of why sexing can be so difficult and why it's sometimes tough to call a plant male and chop it. I will post a pic of the LST on the female in a few hours, and update the alternate sexing thread as well. Oh and a pic of the previously sexed female. So far it looks like she's gonna put out a decent bud, it doesn't seem to be stretching much at all. The count so far is three males, two females, and three unknown. Oh and I got a clone of the twisty plant. I put the cutting in a jiffy peat pellet four days ago and there are now roots coming out of the net.

Pic #1 is the balls on the male. Pic #2 shows a pistil on the female. Pic #3 is another angle of that same plant. This is why sexing is so difficult. I almost said "BALLZ!" and culled this plant, but when I looked with a magnifying glass I saw that they were actually the first sprouts of new branches getting started. I almost made a big mistake. So for everyone out there anxious about chopping a plant you think is male but you're kinda not too sure, wait another day or two. You may kill a good plant.

Okay, so far spring water has produced two males and a female, tap water has produced one male and one female. When I saw the study that indicated feminization of plants due to excess nitrogen it gave me an idea that nutrition may play a role in cannabis sex. And since I am already doing an experiment on spring water versus tap, I figure it wouldn't hurt to keep track of which water produced which sexes. If it is lopsided enough that I think it warrants further study I will make a thread about it in the advanced techniques section.

Now on to the pics!! I have a pic of Tap E which I just started on LST, a full view of Spring G and three close-ups of Spring G. I don't know where the blue bits are coming from, you don't see that when you look at the plant. It's something the camera is picking up for some reason.

I'm happy at how much her trichomes are increasing, but I'm wondering why she isn't producing much odor. Perhaps it's because I sleep in the same room with all the mother plants? Could I be desensitizing my nose to the odor?

Ummm, you just started LST and its' in flower? Save the LST for the veg stage next time. Doing that may cause your lady to stress and could/may hermie on you (knock on wood). Looks pretty frosty though for being so early in flowering! :thumbsup:

How would it do that if I didn't damage the stem? There's no impediment to the flow of water through the stem... I don't doubt you but I'm curious the mechanism in action.

Just cause you didn't damage the stem in anyway doesn't mean it doesn't stress them hence LST (Low Stress Training) I'm not saying it will do anything to it, I was just stating that their is a possibility it could. Sometimes any little stress in flower can be damaging and sometimes it shows no significant problems.

Okay, I'll keep a close eye on it. Damn now if it goes herm I don't know if it's extra susceptible = bad genetics or if I screwed it up. Hopefully it doesn't, but if it does I'll just make another clone and see. :)The lowest flowers are lookinf yummy too, I can already see the crystals!! Something I only saw a tiny bit of on my first grow. Like four trichomes on each individual calyx lol. The first calyxes that appeared on this one are COVERED in clear mushrooms. :)

how old are they now from initial cut?

Lets see... it's here in my grow log somewhere... they were cut on the 27th of May, so about 25 days. It took forever to flower because they were very small cuts, about 3" average and the parents weren't alternating nodes yet.. still immature. It went into 12/12 directly from cutting and started flowering June 12.

o wow, directly from cutting? I thought they were supposed to get morethan 12/12 during the initial stage to develop a root system.. if that's not the case I might trythe same for my clones

Well, unless you have a lot of clones I don't recommend it. I am only making clones for sexing purposes. I don't care about yield ATM, and I may have to move before too long so I don't want to have some huge amount of bud that I would have to cut too early. I just wanted to sex them ASAP and get some mothers.

I have an update BTW. Another male and another female showed up. The male was tapwater H and the female was spring water B, so that's two males and two females for spring water, tap water has produced two males and one female. There is one tapwater plant left which hasn't sexed, so mineral concentration in the water seems to not influence the sex of cannabis much if any.

Something is a bit strange with the seeds I grew. All the short stubby super-branchy plants were male, and all the tall skinny lanky plants were female. Does anyone know of some strains that show this odd characteristic? I am glad I didn't use plant shape to "pre-select" which plants I thought were likely to be females cause I would have been screwed. Here's a pic that shows the comparison before I started cutting them, the male plants are all towards the front because I put the tallest ones in the back, and that little sativa-dominant on the left is still unsexed, but it's from a different bag of nasty shwag anyways: Cannabis Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News

Here's pics of the male and female, the male now being roasted and ready to roll in a joint. Not too tasty but will give me a buzz I think, if past experience is any indication. After the pic of the male flower is a pic of the branchiness of his father. I've never heard of anything like that before. I also have some new pics of my current starlet, Spring G. She is really looking a lot nicer, and has TRICHOMES like I never thought I would see without shelling out $20/g for it!! The third pic is Spring G's little bud taken without the flash, the fourth is the same shot but with the flash, and that blue color doesn't show in regular light which is why I take a flash picture and non-flash. The flash looks unrealistically "juicy" like it's been photoshopped or something. The last pic is an extreme closeup taken with the flash (That fakey juicy effect IS kinda fun even if a bit misleading :D).

Most of the trichs on Spring G which was my first girl to show sex are cloudy now. :) I was going to start using Jack's African Violet Food on it because the lowest leaves are turning a sort of orangy autumn color and I think the MG soil has run out of nutes but I guess if it's mostly cloudy it won't be too long before I start seeing some amber and it will be time to chop. Looks like I might get .5-.75 g from her although I may be overestimating quite a bit lol. It'll definitely be enough to know whether she's good or not.

My other females aren't developing much crystals yet. The sativa-dominant hasn't sexed yet, if she doesn't sex soon I may get rid of it, but I kinda want to see what happens with it.

I wonder if it's too late to start adding molasses to my water... hmmm.

I have a picture update on Spring G. She sure is pretty especially to be so small. I'm definitely going to veg my next clone and use LST to at least get a stem looped around the entire circumference of one of my pots. I think that'd be about the right amount I want per plant from her. Anyway, here's pics.

The closeup pic is what I see all the way from the bottom to the top of that little bud. Mmm, can't wait for those trichs to start going amber! I did use some nutes, I used the jack's classic african violet food at 1/4 tsp. per gallon of spring water. If I start seeing amber trichs I'm gonna flush the hell out of her with plain distilled water I guess. BTW, my tapwater averages 8.5 pH with a range between 8.1 and 9.5 throughout the water distribution system, and a ca/mg hardness of 115 if I remember our water quality report correctly.

So much information in this thread to try to digest in one helping but one thing that is sticking out in my mind was something i read early on in the thread about trichromes.

I realize that you smoked vegging plants out of necessity not desire, but you said that you saw trichromes on them and something about small leaves having slightly less or something.

The bottom line is that the entire plant, with the exception of stem and root, contains thc and other cannabinoids. Thusly getting you stoned, albeit unpleasant getting there, but there none the less.

Trichromes don't appear until flowering. The exact week will depend on the strain, but in my experience, it's usually around week 3 that they begin to push hard. Trichromes are the most CONCENTRATED storage center of cannabinoids in the plant which is why we all want frosty nugs. They swell up with rich resin throughout flowering, until they start to oxidize and turn rust colored, signifying that your smoke has reached ripeness.

I just wanted to put this in here in the event that someone else may have been confused reading in here. I'm gonna linger for a minute, but if you have anything for discussion, i'll try to keep my eye on here.

Your mango looks really nice irydyum. :)

Shit's looking frosty! :thumbsup: Looks to be like it's going to be some nice smoke! Kudos my man!

Oh yeah! I just can't wait until I actually grow that one out some before flowering.... mmm. :)

The little sativa just flowered. That took forever, but I guess that's what sativas do. I hope it turns out good smoke.

wow looking good.
theres so much more information I need to get, cloning, trimming, nutes and all that. So much info. what was your estimated flower time period and where are you now. I do realize this was more of a test but Im curious to know. I cant believe all the tricomes you have. Wow

Well, it was bagseed so I don't know what traits it would have. I put it in 12/12 directly from cutting on May 27th and I'm just going to watch for amber trichomes to decide when to harvest. I named her Audrey III by the way.

I have a couple quick questions: when all your sugar leaves are completely coated in big fat trichs is it still expected to cut them to the level of the calyxes when trimming? I'm definitely going to cut out the fan leaves, but I have a hard time thinking of those sugar leaves as trim Every single one and a couple of the fan leaves has a coating of trichs just like in the picture above.

Another question, is this clone going hermie? I am an idiot at telling apart male flowers from newly developing branches for some reason.

There's a picture of a mite I took while practicing macro shots. These mites seem to spend most of their time crawling around on the dirt, the outsides of the pots, and on the leaves but they don't seem to have any particular interest in the leaves, so I'm guessing these guys either eat dead stuff or they are predatory. They do seem to have an inverse relationship with fungus gnats, I mean I see less gnats when I see more mites. Are these mites the good guys? I don't necessarily feel a need to use pest control chems just because I see some crawlies, especially if I don't know what they are.

Last theres an exterior and interior shot of my veg area. Since lightproofing is not an issue in veg it's not nearly as elaborate as a flowering cabinet would be.

hmm I have no experience with bugs, I was at the homedepot yesturday and found some organic natural bug removal stuff. I dont have bugs so I havent invested yet. They are looking nice btw.

trimming is up to your preference. if its really frosty no need to trim off the leaves but a well manicured bud does look nice

sup JD? good growin going on in here. definitely cool watching you sex out the plants. soon as I get some more room I'm going to be doing that with my urkle seeds.

that bug really isn't a problem (if i'm correct) its a white blind springtail. they eat dead organic matter in the medium and should actually die (mine did) after adding nutes.

they come in different shapes, sizes, and colors but check out these pics and decide for yourself

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/37/94...adfb2e.jpg?v=0

http://www.myrmecos.net/insects/Entb2.JPG

peace and keep up the good work :rasta:

I don't think it's a springtail I believe it is a predatory mite. I guess I'm gonna put that clone back into the flowering cab. I've torn it up a bit though trying to remove that little thing and see what was inside. I learned nothing useful. :)

those pics arent the best because those are true blind springtails, but I'm pretty sure what you have is a sort of springtail. if their isn't any damage to the leaves that is.

type springtail into google images and you'll see the wide variety i'm talkin about. from brown to white to short to long. and they usually just crawl around the top of the soil/pots like you described

anyways i'd sure hope it was a springtail! I'd keep a real close eye on the leaves and personally, spray them down right away with neem oil or something similar just in case.

GL :thumbsup:

I can actually see the mite I have looked at it with a magnifier and it is definitely not a springtail. And they have no interest in the plant except as a place to walk around. My bigger concern is whether I have a hermie actually.

IMHO, the 2 flowering pics in your last post both show a male flower. Hard to tell by the color in the pic, but if they look whitish or yellow, then it is for sure.

People have told me that you can pull off the nanners if you can see em, but every time I have seen a hermie, I have seen seeds. I normally kill them asap as a precaution.

Food for thought for you though. How do you think you got the bagseed in the first place? Odds are, most of your bagseed beans are the result of hermaphing rather than rogue males. Much more likely that a hermaph snuck under the radar than a male. Suffice it to say, that means most bagseed beans are going to lean toward being hermie. God bless seed banks and breeders.

Yes, of course. Although it may not be a genetic problem necessarily. It was really really excellent weed obviously grown by someone who knew what they were doing. I would have to think that most likely the light cycle got screwed up because someone who is that skilled would be checking for herms and using plants with low tendency to herm. It would have sold for $20/gram instead of $60/half if it weren't for seeds, so my guess is that a screw-up happened in the grow. The plant that I have named Audrey III has just an absolutely gorgeous perfect bud, tight and compact, sticky gooey not too much odor, but nice aroma so she's a keeper for sure. I'll update when I chop her. In the meantime I have put the possible herm back into my flowering cab and I have my fingers crossed that no pollen sacs open up and seed all my clones, although it wouldn't be a big loss, just close to a gram. I wonder how much damag I did to it trying to pick out those little round things.. hehe if it wasn't herm before I may have "fixed" it :)

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Yes, of course. Although it may not be a genetic problem necessarily. It was really really excellent weed obviously grown by someone who knew what they were doing. I would have to think that most likely the light cycle got screwed up because someone who is that skilled would be checking for herms and using plants with low tendency to herm. It would have sold for $20/gram instead of $60/half if it weren't for seeds, so my guess is that a screw-up happened in the grow.

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Not trying to nit pick what you are doing there, but isn't this whole statement just support for what I said previously. You grew seeds from a crop that you feel was hermied by poor light discipline, or extended power outage, or whatever the light may have done. What part of that doesn't suggest that your hermies are a result of the genetics you began with? You grew seeds from a genetically inferior crop, and you are getting the same result. Am I crazy here for seeing it this way?

I have had plenty of issues with power outages and such in the last couple years, but I finally have my hands on proper genetics and it seems that good genetics make a much better margin of error for the grower. I suppose this is all just one growers opinion tho, so take it for what it's worth.

Keep pushin!!

hmm. interesting at least. So when and why would a plant go hermie. Iv been reading the threads but havnt come upon one that explained better. If your plant is male its just going to grow seeds, if your plants a female obv flowers(bud). But if you mess up lighting, damage, stuff along that nature your plant could go female male and grow grate buds but lots of seeds and thats how we end up with seeds in the weed?

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Yes, of course. Although it may not be a genetic problem necessarily. It was really really excellent weed obviously grown by someone who knew what they were doing. I would have to think that most likely the light cycle got screwed up because someone who is that skilled would be checking for herms and using plants with low tendency to herm. It would have sold for $20/gram instead of $60/half if it weren't for seeds, so my guess is that a screw-up happened in the grow.

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it's not hard to miss a nanner, especially on a bigger grow. and it doesn't take long for one to grow, make a flower and send pollen on it's way.

how many seeds did it have in it if it went from $20/g to $60/half? way to many obviously. so that would lead me to believe that the person growing it might not have had such a good grasp on the situation.

maybe i'm reading it wrong?

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Not trying to nit pick what you are doing there, but isn't this whole statement just support for what I said previously. You grew seeds from a crop that you feel was hermied by poor light discipline, or extended power outage, or whatever the light may have done. What part of that doesn't suggest that your hermies are a result of the genetics you began with? You grew seeds from a genetically inferior crop, and you are getting the same result. Am I crazy here for seeing it this way?

I have had plenty of issues with power outages and such in the last couple years, but I finally have my hands on proper genetics and it seems that good genetics make a much better margin of error for the grower. I suppose this is all just one growers opinion tho, so take it for what it's worth.

Keep pushin!!

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i hear what you are saying irydyum. makes perfect sense. i've even heard of unscrupulous seed vendors selling seeds from a hermie as female.

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hmm. interesting at least. So when and why would a plant go hermie. Iv been reading the threads but havnt come upon one that explained better. If your plant is male its just going to grow seeds, if your plants a female obv flowers(bud). But if you mess up lighting, damage, stuff along that nature your plant could go female male and grow grate buds but lots of seeds and thats how we end up with seeds in the weed?

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a plant can go hermie any time during flower (not sure about veg, if you let it veg long enough?). this can happen for many different reasons. pH problems, nute problems, lighting problems, flowering time and genetics like pointed out above. those aren't all of them, just giving you an idea.

in nature this is a way of continuing on the family lineage, so to speak. the reason female flowers grow so big is because their whole mission is to collect pollen. so they grow in hopes of catching some. as a cannabis plant comes to the end of it's life cycle and it still doesn't get pollinated it can grow "nanners", or male sex organs, release pollen, pollinate, make seeds, die and the lineage goes on.

the seeds you would get will be all female, as they will be a 100% genetic replica (only female DNA was ever used). but as mentioned, a lot of times the beans of a hermie have a propensity to hermie.



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You can make even the greatest of genetics go herm. Every plant has a certain amount of stress you can put on it before it will herm. The tendency is what gets passed on. Not the herm itself. If it was because of a light problem then minus the light problem, minus the herm.

This wasn't feminised seed though, which pretty much contradicts what I said. The grower didn't have a herm, he had a male that he didn't catch in time. Probably a short branchy male that looked like a female and just got overlooked somehow. Which would explain why my males were so short and branchy. :)

Enhanced: They can go hermie from genetic predisposition (do not want, kill it, throw away all seeds if there are any.) or from environmental stress. It's something that is meant to ensure their survival if something bad happens and they think they will die before they get pollinated.

Males do not produce seeds they produce pollen. Females produce flowers, and if the flowers get pollinated, then the flowers produce seeds.

Anyway, I know for sure that I got at least one excellent mother plant so I will definately be keeping her.

The one that I was picking at yesterday looks kinda ugly now so I might just cut it early and try growing her again. Her stem broke in flowering (I was trying to train her and she was too brittle already) so if it is a herm that could be what caused it and not genetics. If I grow it perfectly this time and it herms then I will get her out of my life hehe. She tries to stretch more and just doesn't seem to be bulking up as well as the other one anyway.

I might get rid of the sativa. It has been taking its sweet time and it hasn't even budded yet, just shown sex. And she is doing her best to stretch into my light.

One other plant looks like she might come out real good. She seems a tad bit slow though. Who knows maybe I should just keep my best and chop the rest. I think it would be wise to finish all four of them though just to be sure with the exception of the sativa if she just takes forever and ever and ever. She was meant for outdoors anyway, which isn't doable at my house.

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hmm. interesting at least. So when and why would a plant go hermie. Iv been reading the threads but havnt come upon one that explained better. If your plant is male its just going to grow seeds, if your plants a female obv flowers(bud). But if you mess up lighting, damage, stuff along that nature your plant could go female male and grow grate buds but lots of seeds and thats how we end up with seeds in the weed?

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When and why would a plant go hermie? Poor light discipline, extreme temperature shock, water stress, pretty much anything you can do to send a shock through the system COULD cause a hermie but doesn't guarantee one.

This is beneficial in the creation of femenized seeds, but the trick is, you have to harvest the pollen from the hermied plant, and use it to pollinate a HEALTHY plant. That is how the seedbanks are getting em last I read.

Common misconception with new growers, male plants do not grow seeds. They grow pollen, the pollen travels via air to the pistils on the female, the pistil sends the pollen down into the calyx, and there the magic happens. The only thing the male grows is pollen, not seeds. It lacks the female reproductive organs, can't have 2 dudes making a kid now can we? Be a much stranger place if we could, I think.

Your last sentence is correct, that is what you end up with (hopefully) if you mess something up and the plant self pollinates.

Also, you can catch the pollen from any plant (hermie or male) and control pollinate the lower bud sites on your plant that don't get a lot of the light. That way you can still get seed for future grows, but then you won't have a whole seeded crop! Only the bud sites your introduced the pollen too! :jointsmile:

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You can make even the greatest of genetics go herm. Every plant has a certain amount of stress you can put on it before it will herm. The tendency is what gets passed on. Not the herm itself. If it was because of a light problem then minus the light problem, minus the herm.

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I hope i wasn't misread here. I wasn't trying to say that my genetics won't go hermaph if I wanted them too. I'm just saying that in the normal day to day shit we go through as growers, power out, missing h2o for a day, small light leak, these things don't seem to have as much effect on STABLE genetics as they do on random bagseeds. I'm really over this though, I'm not trying to tell you not to grow, what to grow, or that your plants suck, I'm just trying to offer a rational explanation for people who keep running into hermaphrodidic bagseed.

Yeah of course. I know where herms come from. I just don't know in this particular instance if it was genetic or due to breaking the stem. Anyway I cut it up and quick-dried it and I'm going to flower another clone of it and see what happens.

Although in a way I am thinking I have one great mother plant, why mess around with any that aren't the best. But then again you don't know for sure until you sample bud that has gone to full ripeness and been dried and cured properly, you weigh it, etc then you know for sure which plant is best. Although you do have clues along the way.

Some things will just never change Shake. I swear, we should all just re-invent the wheel, apparently years of success amount to nothing anymore.

I should have just followed my instincts and stayed away from this one, but there was some confusing information in here that bothered me so I couldn't.

JD- Best of luck to you and all your named ladies and trannys and whatever else you may see on your journey to curing. I'm sorry I keep challenging everything, it's just my nature. I try to stick with facts and not speculations or hypotheses, so forgive me that.

I figured everyone on here was like me, in search of the BEST possible smoke they could have, but it would appear that some just want to show what they are doing and defend all of their missteps, which I suppose is cool too, just not one I should be involved in.

Irydyum I don't get your point. Are you saying that you somehow know what caused that plant to go hermie? Maybe it was genetic. Maybe it was because I stressed it by trying to train it in flowering. Thanks to the advice of HeadShake I won't be trying that again. That was good critique on my grow, it was helpful and informative. :thumbsup:

If you know the answer to this question, then tell me, was it due to genetics or stress? Also if you somehow know that bit of info please tell me how you know. I am trying to decide if I should keep that mother or not.

I am simply documenting what I'm doing and where my logic is coming from. The reason I say the weed was grown by someone who knows what they were doing is because it tasted great, smelled great, looked great, got me high as fuck, it was trimmed right, dried and cured right, in short, it was weed of a quality you do not produce if you aren't taking the time, effort, and have the experience to do things right. BTW it had maybe 12-15 seeds in the half-o. And it was from a male somewhere, not a hermie, because about half of the plants I grew were full-on males.

If my techniques aren't valid I would like input on that, and the reason why. And I don't think complaining about the poor genetics that bagseed growers encounter is very helpful to anybody. Okay, buying seeds is not an option for me, either financially or from having a safe place to ship it to. Same goes for lighting, nutes, containers, odor control... there is no grow shop and I don't want to ship this stuff in. The choices here are Lowe's, Home Depot, Target, and Wal-Mart. And I have a financial problem too, so maybe my shit isn't elite like yours. Does that mean that I don't know I could have a better grow if I start with some sweet-ass known female Purple Urkle clones from San Fuckingcisco and used 1000w HID lighting and a fancy carbon scrubber, maybe some thermal shielding to avert the FLIR? Of course I know that, and I know I'll have better yields if I veg my clones a few weeks before putting them in flower. I put them under 12/12 directly from cutting for a certain reason, which was to get rid of the males quick so I don't have to fuck around with them and risk spilling pollen. Now I am just finishing out the flowering of the females so I can figure out which plants are doing the best with what I can give them. So far I have a female which has a gorgeous little bud on her, and I guarantee you it's going to smoke great! Right now I think she's so good I'll never let her get lost, and I guarantee you at some point I'm going to cross her with herself so I can put the seeds in a vault somewhere. So no joke that I named her. Wow that is so dumb and frivolous, isn't it? Especially to someone like you whose plants already had names you didn't even have to think of. Who knows, maybe one day you will be buying the strain Audrey IV and telling some noobs how no wonder they got herms because bagseed is no match for Audrey IV. And guess what? It will be a strain that thrives in low lighting, has a low odor profile, clones as easy as pie, and is resistant to going herm. Who knows maybe when I'm developing the strain I will use herm resistance as a trait I select for!!

I have to use seeds from the best seeded weed I get my hands on and pick the best plants from that. And the best seeded bags aren't crazy-ass chock full of seeds. Those seedy bags are all field-grown sativas, an example of which can be seen in various pictures in this grow log. And unless something real special happens with her flowering she is gonna get composted. In fact I think she is gone tomorrow if I still feel the same way. So far she has just continued stretching into my light fixture and not flowering except preflowers. Although it has only been two or three days since she showed sex.

The thing is, I only have four mothers and good seeds are hard for me to get a hold of, clones are impossible to find which makes it more important that I don't compost a great plant by something simple like not finishing out flowering to do a taste test before deciding. So if my herm was caused by stress there's a chance she's still a keeper. This little incident just means I won't know that for a few more weeks. Sure bending her was a noob mistake. Does that show enough humility, for me to admit I made a mistake?

You try to stick with facts, not speculations or hypotheses. Well where do you think your facts came from? They were already known from time immemorial? I bet at some point they weren't facts at all, they were just speculations and hypotheses until someone decided "Hey, I'm gonna find a way to determine the truth about this", and they did experiments to find out. I've heard that chlorine in tapwater will hurt your plants. It sounds plausible. Some people here may swear it will damage your plants. I gave half my plants tapwater and half of them springwater. At least in my setup there is NO difference I can tell so far. To me it is a fact that tapwater does not hurt your plants. My water is also very very hard and very alkaline. Apparently that isn't causing a problem as compared to my springwater plants. Maybe with a better setup, or with better genetics there could be a difference, but if I have someone new who is using soil and CFL and wants to know if tapwater is okay, I am going to tell him that it's just fine for that situation, because for me there was no discernible difference. So is that speculation and hypothesis? It WAS before I tested it.

Maybe you should have read more of my posts before criticising what you consider to be arrogance toward the wizened sages, and belittle the fact that I named a plant, and to try to bring in Headshake who I know has some REAL wisdom and great advice to anyone who is really trying to work hard and find the answers on their own. But I am pretty sure he won't go for your bait. I guess everyone here ISN'T like you, though we all want the best possible smoke. I happen to also want to know what factors DON'T harm your smoke, and what factors DON'T help your smoke. That is why sometimes I do things that I have HEARD are bad. Where's the study? Who has tried it on some plants and compared them side by side?

Well, I ENJOY that process, and I learned from this little grow that with MG time-release soil, CFL lighting, small pots and small plants, and whatever seeds I managed to get, using bottled water instead of tap offers no benefit. Maybe I will do it again but using all clones from the same plant instead from different plants. And if I offend you by "re-inventing the wheel" instead of doing whatever you tell me to do, then you have a thin skin.