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Thank you for coming back and responding, and clearing it up. I was just wondering myself.
Like i said it was my interpretations that you did, and now I know you didn't. I'll believe what you tell me, until then, I had to make up my own mind.
War is fucked im not saying its right but live or die deal with it, think of being in those shoes. and splitting kinds in half is wrong, but in a hellish situation, worst things can happenQuote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
I dont care what they chant just dont do it on my lawn, this isnt highschool, not everyone is gonna like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
Some religouse people belive that aliens are gonna take them home someday. Some religouse people belive that all Americans are the devil, and that doesnt bother you?Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
again, you are facing an advisary that uses men women and children, to string your buddies corpes all around the desert. I am glad I am not their but it does not mean I dont think about my friends who are their.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
I dont have to picture it I am an American and I use my right to bear arms (a big resone no one invades here), doesnt mean we dont have to worry about gangs or other interior problems. All the same if I had a kid I assur you getting into any kind of fight with him or her would not be a good idea, we teach our own.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
Mission, what the hell are you talking about? You actualy bought into all that Bush crap. We dont controlle our government wake upQuote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
I dont think you get it, its being fired at that gets you to think like this, once you are in a situation like that you do what it takes to get out of it and then never get in that situation again. much easier said than doneQuote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
most of the time I dont see my self at the shit end of the pyramid, but I definitly have never been at the top of the power pyramid. And I see your point like I am glad we are all not in slave camps and talking German. And I am glad we are not facing an invasion, but luck has little to do with it.
MadSativa, you mention how in a hellish situation there are worse things than children getting split in half....like what? I can't think of anything worse than the brutal death of children, which, thanks to the war and the patriots who support it, is all too common.
Some religious people believe all Muslims are the devil and that the whole Middle East should be nuked, and that doesn't bother you? If the status quo were reversed, and it was the Middle East that exerted a huge and undue influence over North America and maintained a vice grip on its resources, I can guarantee there would be some kind of Christian equivalent of the Al-Qa'aeda. Those Focus on the Family psychos are already scary enough as it is---if the Middle East imperialistically controlled North America, they'd be blowing shit up. I hate it when Christians act morally superior to Muslims just because of the violence associated with Islam...violence which is the result of harsh circumstances. And the U.S. government has caused more death than the Taliban ever could. But that's alright....it's all for "freedom."
Under certain circumstances huh? Answer me this then. Whose holy book tells them to kill all the non-believers?
Both holy books say that.
That's why religion is crap. We can't all be right...but we all think we are...then kill in the name of it.
This world is ugly.
1. I am aware bad things happen in wars. Which is why we shouldn't start them half way across the world in order to "bring freedom" to people. Give me a fucking break. What if they wanted to "bring communism" to you..cause they decided its the way to live. Now there would be a use for our army! In case you aren't getting my point...armies are for invasions of the homeland...not to be shipped to a desert, or jungle, or wherever to fight those people. Before all you WW2 students point out that this war was overseas, it had a purpose in that the Nazi's sought world domination.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadSativa
As a veteran, i'm curious to know what you think here. Do you think an army is for more than defending the homeland?
2. The point I was making with the chanting 'death to america' was that if we continue to act foolishly, murdering civilians wherever because they aren't worth a damn, and they are nothing but the enemy...it will do much to increase hatred and never win the "hearts and minds" so to speak.
3.Can't argue on the crazy religious people.
4. You shouldn't be there...neither should your friends. Face it this isn't a war which should be happening. We can however agree to disagree on that since I don't think you're understanding the point. Point being a war waged against people in their homeland will cause a poignant reaction, most times nationalist sentiment, and fighting invaders is enough to win.
Look at all the wars where that has prevailed, despite the guns bombs and tanks.
5. Your right to bear arms is not something which prevents the invasion of America. Your superpower status, and first rate military capability..that is a reason. Who in their right mind would even think of it, knowing they'd be blown away. But your right to bear arms is not even important here.
You have that to overthrow the government should the union's become perverted. ie. too much fed. power overruling the states, just one example which is now a reality. Using your right to bear arms for its actual purpose is something that I can't believe hasn't happened yet given the outrageous straying from the constitution your country has done.
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6. Trust me I understand what you're saying. When you're there, they are enemies, not people. They killed your friends and brothers in uniform. I GOT IT. You sir, are missing my point. We shouldn't be in that situation. At all. The last "just war" I can think of was WW2. Things like Afghanistan should be avoided...look where they get us. And Vietnam. Waging war on foreign peoples in order to achieve some goal which is to benefit the United States...is completely wrong. So you shouldn't be in that position, thinking of killing their children. Comprehend??
Would you rather be struck with a cluster bomb, or perhaps a molotov cocktail from one of your anarchist friends...?Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
The only difference is the capability of the resultant explosion.
You failed to mention the 12th Imam theology. The coming of the 12th Imam is supposeldy going to happen just prior to the end of the world, which is one of the main reasons sunnis and shiites are bent on western destruction. (hastening the end is their goal) 12th ImamQuote:
Originally Posted by Dream of the iris
Gee. That's how I feel about your moronic statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by luciddreamer
Kinda funny. This fucked-up, USA is at fault, twisted reasonoing you state here, is the same thing by extention. Some dickwads came over, and dropped some grenades (passenger airplanes) at our feet. Only difference, our kids hopped a flight, went to their country, and payed-back the favor. There has not been another grenade dropped on our shores, since. But guranteed, were I in New York that day, and the grenades had been dropped at my feet by these 'children' of allah...I'd have blown their young fucking heads off...just like you said you'd do to Steve.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrinKyle
According to the radical muslims, the Koran says it's a religous imparative.Quote:
Originally Posted by apocolips31
Hmmm...from where I stand, it's not the religion that's crap...it's the backasswards views of those that pretend to understand it, that's crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
With God, the world is beautiful. Without God, the world is ugly.
What you are referring to in the book of Luke is an analogy not a literal meaning like in the Koran.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
Enemies are people other wise we would be missleading and delusioning our selves. We should never be in a situation, but we always are. You talk like we have a choice of where our Army goes, or a choice of when and who we fight, but we dont we just fight. As far as my opinion on what the Army is for, dont matter my opinion dont matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
My favorite words I heard coming out of a guy in the Army was.......we build bridges and churches, so the Marines can come and blow them up.
My point is never question your men and women in the military, they will never question you so show them the same respect. Now those in charge question em, batter em, hell hate em but what ever it is make them see your point, because so far I have yet to see the people in charge take charge.
Whose holy book tells them to kill all the homosexuals, and outlines rules on the proper management of slaves? The Bible's one of the more repugnant texts ever penned.Quote:
Originally Posted by apocolips31
More just actions happen in name of Christianity then unjust.
You are going to have to re type this, I have no idea what you are talking about or what point you were trying to make. Ill wait....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
The propagandists have done their job well. Every sexually expressive young lady who gets branded a whore, every gay forced to live in shame, every Islamic civilian killed for the protection of Christian nations, every STD acquired due to abstinence-only sex education, every struggling family that has to pay their tithe, every frustrated person who can't act on the desire due to the underlying abhorration of pleasure that permeates our society....this whole Judeo-Christian ethic has gone on long enough. As an obsolete form of oppression, it has to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by apocolips31
I'm still waiting for someone to acknowledge my point about how if the status quo were reversed, we'd be seeing a Christian Al-Qu'aeda equivalent. My point is that both Christianity and Islam are relatively okay in moderation but extremely dangerous if you get fundamentalism into play, and oppression of one's sphere of the world inevitably leads to violent fundamentalism. Fundamentalist Christianity would be much more violent and dangerous if they didn't have the cushiest way of life in the world, free to pillage the world.
Sorry I sparked some religious nerves. You're entitled to your beliefs, and I'm entitled to not believe in that. Fair and simple. To be honest I just am one of those people who needs to see to believe, thats my problem with religion.
But lets not point fingers at whose religion has killed more people. Many of them are non-accepting of other doctrines...exclusive.
And for whoever thinks nobody was killed in the name of Catholicism, don't forget the crusades. :cool:
I wasn't trying to point any fingers, really--it was just that someone was claiming that Christianity was good and Islam was bad, and I was trying to show that that's not inherently the case.
You need empiricle evidence for things, eh? I'm not like that at all--very spiritual guy, just not in any organized way. Bit of a pantheist, maybe.
And yes, let's not forget the crusades...what do you think the war on terror is? A new crusade with bigger bombs.
Perhaps you should read it slower. :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by GrinKyle
To be honest my religion comments were aimed at those bickering over whose religion is better....a very other large problem i have with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt
I'm accepting of your spirituality, and glad you can make the distinction between your own spirituality and organized religion, where the problems happen..hahaha
I can't remember the name of what I am..there's a name for it...for someone who refuses to believe any of the options/organized religions. I know there is something there, i just refuse to label it God or Allah or Mohamed or whomever...cause to be honest thats ignorant...cause I don't know what it is. And people who run around shoving their god down the throat of others really piss me right off. Cause they don't know any more than anyone else..they just think they do.
But I am smart enough to know that the intricate nature of this world shows us that there is something larger up there. Its all the stories and details of these gods that are angering. I believe I'm entitled to have my own vision of what it is, and shouldn't be told i'll burn in hell for believing in something other than beatitudes.
Picture god as a large weed plant. Maybe then there won't be killing in the name of religion. Maybe ..we could all get along?? SHOCKER!!!
By the way Rusty, I like our dialogue. No matter what arguments I throw at you, you'd kick my ass in the greenhouse. I know this :thumbsup:
Lol...Just speaking my mind, trying to be unambiguous and have my conservative views not be twisted by peer pressure, fanatical teachings from a failed education system, or media bias. I've been around, I've seen a few things, I've served in the military, and I've seen the moral ineptitude spread thru our kids like wildfire, with it's roots in our educators wet dreams. Where else but America can an admitted terrorist, (Ayres) whose own girlfriend was killed by one of his bombs...be a 'respected' educator in Chicago, whose anti-government, anti-authority views are the educational standard set in stone on both coasts?Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
Hmmm...a tangent. <sigh> Bummer. :jointsmile:
Anyway, rarely do I avoid good discourse, but cut-n-paste laziness and dishonest ineptitude tends to piss me off. Propoganda might have it's place, but homey don't play that game, lol.
Ya get as old as I am...it's easier to distinguish good technique from bad technique, plus I've got decades experience with lawns, flower and herb gardens and houseplants. Still learning, but the transition to cannabis was inevitable and smooth, lol. But thanks. :thumbsup:
If I ruled the world, I would fix it like this:
1) Cut off all foreign economic aid...if we're broke, let em fend for themselves.
2) Withdraw all US troops from places we don't just take over and be done with it...(Korea for example)
3) Take over Cuba...(bring back cool vacation spot)
4) Take all money from #1, and spend it on buying up all the world's rain forests. This makes US world superpower, once we own all the oxygen supplies...lol
5) Cut off all trade with China, Japan. This will force US consumers to buy US products (They don't let US sell there freely)
6) Spend all the leftover money on researching rain forests for cancer cures, etc. (Now US can cure all diseases, making US superpower)
7) Now that #5 established, US has jobs making consumer products.
8) Once cutting off all foreign economic aid, & withdrawing all US troops, should be a lot of money for universal healthcare.
9) Now I've eliminated poverty in America with #5, #6, and #7.
10) Start underwater research so we have better maps of the planet. (We have better maps of Mars, than Earth's oceans)
11) Now that US controls rain forests, Cuba, and all cool vacation spots, and has destroyed China's & Japan's economy with trade embargos, US currency sound, economic outlook great, US sits back and lets Middle East fend for themselves......I'm bored with all this fighting, US is not world's police, and I'm tired of paying for all this crap.
I tend to be of Monroe Doctrine leanings.....:D
Ah yes, the Monroe Doctrine...one of the more oppressive and fucked-up things ever passed. The world order you described is one of the scariest things I've ever imagined....a world where the U.S. controls everything, including oxygen, and has crippled other nations' economies? What a nightmare. Let's hope LolaGal never rules the world (although I like your idea about leaving the Middle East alone...the rest of it is fucked).
Rusty...I hope education standards become much more anti-government and anti-authoritarian, and fast. Students are still taught that the government's values are sound even if its actions are sometimes questionable, and that duty and obedience are virtues. I try not to let my near-radical views get twisted by peer pressure, fanatical teachings of a failed education system, or a media bias.
FreshNugz...I feel your spirituality, brother. Whatever's out there/up there/whatever, any reasonable mind can guarantee that no doctrinaire faith has come anywhere remotely close to figuring it out, despite their arrogant claims.
Overgrow,
The Monroe doctrine was actually not pro world intervention. The Truman doctrine was. What was referred to as the Monroe Doctrine was revealed in Monroe's 1823 Annual Message to Congress.
"Monroe's declaration underlined the United States' determination not to act in world affairs as a satellite of Britain."
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"that the United States should not interfere with already established European colonies in the Western Hemisphere."
Source: Nation of Nations: A Narrative History of the American Republic. 5th Ed. Montreal:Mcgraw Hill. 2005.
It was simply a differentiation of actions by Britain and America, similar to ours in Canada from Britain. In 1982.
Rusty, I'm unsure whether or not you're saying that I didn't present good discourse. But none the less, glad you accepted my compliment about your gardening. hah
The Monroe Doctrine (yes, 1823) also declared that the U.S. wouldn't tolerate the imposition of any new rule by a European power over any peoples of the Americas--Britain and France and the Dutch and so forth would get to keep what they had (Britain was so much more powerful than the U.S. at this point that this went without saying), but Spain would not be permitted to reclaim any of its former New World territory, and no power could try to expand. This was America declaring its turf, claiming its sphere of influence and power, much like the Soviets with the Eastern bloc or WWII Japan with East Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshNugz
Since the Monroe Doctrine, countless armed interventions have been carried out in the Western hemisphere, involving annexing new territory, setting up puppets and banana republics, getting their claws in Latin American nations' economies, etc. You're right about the Truman Doctrine being pro world intervention...it expanded the Monroe Doctrine's territory to include the entire planet. It tends to be the common belief that the U.S. was noninterventionist under WWII, but it wasn't, it was just more covert beforehand and didn't openly wage wars (with a few exceptions: Spanish-American, for example).
Although I've been covered medically for the past 20 years through my union,millions of hard working Americans are not covered...The price of a college education also sux...
I'm pretty sure we'll never see it in our lifetimes and it probably will never come to be,but it would be nice to have socialized medical and education choices as they have in Canada and England...
I understood it the first time, thanx. There are a few of us on here that have lived history, while others here can only read about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
When speaking of war I have an extra pause and think of all my friends I lost by death in Viet Nam.
This war, Bush admitted, was a result of 'bad intell' No disfunction in D.C. though, they'll finish what we started, one way or another-even if we pull out. we'll be back.
Should we do as suggested and bomb from one side of the hills throughout, we would have kept on thru Pakistan and Iraq, plus a few others on the way. Like chasing ants in the house with Raid.
Religion and war seem to be related, whether we want it to be or not.
I am not horrified my tax dollars buy death! Ultimately, that is the goal of life! What horrifies me is: Paying my taxes and not having my civil rights!! As a female causcasion--I am sure that puts me at the brown end of the stick.
I check my property taxes and from one year 2006 (when things weren't too bad yet) to now and it is up $100. Seems unfair, as everything is so high and wages, disability, SS and other benefits of the right to pay have gone to the wayside. When taxpayers can file bankruptcy on taxes is the day the Gov't will listen! Why, cause they will have to woo us to love our Gov't to want to pay for all the services, etc. we directly feel the effect of. And when my lazy assed old next door neighbor got up 20 min earlier in the AM to drive his brand new truck to take his 'poor' children to school to get fed--well, made me sick! they got free Bfst, lunch and after school snacks! Those kids were fat! Why, they came home to go out to eat every night!!
Our taxes buy illness, breeds idiots and the cream of the crop is here, hiding because we want our right to a medication that should and could grow in the wild! Now, don't get me wrong, I am not saying the cream of the crop of illness and idiots are here, quite the opposite!
We can worry ourselves to death worried about innocent lives being lost at war and some will and have! Unfortunately, we still have to pay our tax and it is a privilege to live in a world that is has freedom to express what this is.
A good thread and certainly enlightening.
If I were 19, I would like all 19 yr. old to be worried about it. But, most are not, they are worried of how to get the next free download to an ipod or MP3 or whatever those things are. And at my age, I have seen enough to know, 'change' simply means from one person to the next with hope they can make a difference and find; they need to figure out how to 'work' the system in order to fix it!
Too bad we can't say, 'hey, time-out!' Re-structure and try to keep our $ at home and mind our own business. Get our civil rights first and then fight for everyone else's. And toss the Religion out of the Gov't.!
I feared SS would not be here for me when I was 20 and it will remain that way. Until . ... same old problem, just a different day! p/r :wtf:
My main issue, I suppose, is that the U.S. government can afford to spend 500 billion dollars a year on the military and additional billions on persecuting weed...but there isn't any money to provide health care services or to do something, anything, about the appallingly ubiquitous poverty and economic inequality. Tax dollars could go towards a world of good, but instead it goes towards bombs, anti-drug propaganda, and favours for fat and greedy CEOs. And what's with churches being tax-free?....taxing the living hell out of them would provide a shitload of revenue.
Yes, religion and war are related, hence the faith-based delusions of moral superiority on both sides. Back to taxing churches...if they had to pay for the war, they might stop yelling for it so loudly.
As a conscientious objector, I should have the right to demand that not one penny of my taxes go towards the military, but apparently personal ideals and convictions do not matter to a government that takes an individual's income and does with it what they please. That would be like taking a Palestinian refugee's tax dollars and spending it on Israeli aid. Total lack of respect.
just had to clarify thats not entirly true, I have heard great words from men and women in the US ARMY.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadSativa
those words were out of an engineers mouth and he had every right to be pissed off.
You the Canadian living in a socialized nation that censors the facts and truths and who's government dictates what you can say about what and who and whom... has what to say?:mad:
By way of your totally slanted, pathetically parroted moveon.org dump of liberalism....you're either drinking waaaaay too much liberal/humanist KoolAid...
Or your bud has been peeeeeded and stepped on.
Making a moral equivalent of Islamic terrorists to the USA and ''the West'' is pure and willful stupidity at its worse.
Ohhhh.....your " vastly more intelligent than any of my grandparents, so age is really only the most rudimentary guideline"
is soooooo clueless of you.
Telling as well.
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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt
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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt
Most all of us have vastly more education than our grandparents. Its not so much age, but lifes experiences that count.
But being as your a conciencious objector an all......
Steve, remember, we're trying to reason with 'Jodie' :D
Choices...? What medical choices do the Canadians and British have, and how is it being paid for? Are there any British or Canadians out there happy with their socialized medical programs? Is it the panacea everyone (liberal Americans) keep screaming about?Quote:
Originally Posted by DTRave420
As far as the socialized educational system...we've been there for twenty years, and it is obviously skewed twords liberal indoctrination. Thank god we still have home schooling, military schools and faith-based learning centers, otherwise our young would learn nothing outside the facist 'progressive liberal' realm.
I believe that they have the choices of paying for their own private health care insurance, or using the government's program that everyone is entitled to. It may not be perfect, but it seems a lot better than being without any health care due to unemployment or, in many cases, working at jobs that provide no health insurance and not being able to afford to buy it......and at the same time paying taxes to support all kinds of coporate and public welfare programs to benefit people who are receiving health insurance. It's about time that everybody has one thing, another or both - because our current system simply does not work for 47 million people who did not have coverage in 2007.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
"jodie was there when you.. Left...you're... Right"Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
you're right, what the fuck, over ? ... don't mean nuthin' ;)
Canada and health care? Not that it has a lot to do with this, other than the gentleman that started the thread seems to be from Canada or is Canadian--we are pretty much in the same boat.
Last year I spent the winter in AZ. More Canadians there than US Citizens! Why? Escape the winter. Most were selling all their nice toys and RV's because their medical insurance in Canada will be to expensive the next year (as it increase's each year with age of person) to afford to come down here for an escape-visit. Our Medicare is getting a bit similar and we can stay here to experience it! Anyone notice?
If they (Canadians) leave the country after a certain age, they Personally PAY for their health insurance. And when you have arthritis, etc. you need a warm climate. I was shocked at how many thousands a month one fellow was paying to be here 4-6mos. more than most retirement incomes here or overpriced house payments, each of them were paying to way too much to keep health insurance in Canada! If we had to do it, some would never leave our country when we aged. Do they fly all over the world for health care?
Apache Junction, Wickenburg area and everything in between-lots of Canadians. If they can afford that payment they can most likely afford to pay for medical care here. You can bet, if they can't, our system has a loophole to stabilize them and jet them back to Canada if possible, or Canada does pay. Can't do that with the Southern Borders! And I didn't notice them running to Mexico for Medical care. At least they pay their way and boost our economy instead of stressing the system!
I/R, D/P-you lost me with Jodie and Steve, did I miss something? Surely, no one can miss that avatar D/P!!! You know, it has to be overloading my PC, took 45 minutes to get on line today! lol !! Is that the one Dave jumps in the forum, just to see? He has mentioned how much he loves it, anyone know if he has seen it yet??? Pretty cool (kinda makes my chest hurt after awhile-lol). Now, you got any ball busting bouncing baskets? For self taught PC skills, you really know your way around a PC. Guess, I need to stop reading here and learn how to do that fancy stuff too! Well, I'm busy right now, edumakating meself in the gro logs and books. Sure, I should be learning this PC, but I hope to get so much couchlock all I do is look at the animations!
Age and wisdom isn't something you can compare to education; each are different. We can choose to disagree, but lets let the kids play. They will be wiping our diapers one day, I sure hope I don't live to be that old though. When I was 19 I thought 29 was pretty old. It is all relative. And relativity to the thread is questionable. If he is paying tax $ for death, it doesn't matter where he comes from. Con. Objector--don't we send them to war anyway in the U.S.A.--like the chaplains helper or the Chaplain?? pr much respect to our vets!
Our health care system is of course inefficient and far from perfect, but we pay a fraction per month of what Americans pay for insurance, and everybody gets treated regardless of their socio-economic status. Some guy won't break his leg and be out of luck because he's homeless.
Mississippi Steve..."experience teaches only the teachable." The elderly are very wise if they're open-minded and deep-thinking individuals...if not, they're just your average propaganda-suspectible Joe, but exercising a lot more caution. They also tend to believe, like you, that age forms an automatic hierarchy. Rimbaud wrote all of his genius transgressional poetry before he was 21, even though plenty of 70-year-old bourgeois pillars thought they were right and he was wrong.
Rusty...you'd rather children were indoctrinated by their presupposition-blinded parents, the diabolical military, or, worst of all, fucking FAITH-BASED organizations? Woe betide the products of that education. Get over yourself and realize that America is not a liberal country, not even close...just not nearly fascist enough for your reactionary standards.
Doobee...you seem to be insulting my intelligence, which I won't stand for. My grandparents are simple people who lack worldly knowledge and the capacity for free thought...I know them, not you, so keep your mouth shut. The fact that you automatically relegate me to a lower status based on age and character descriptions of people I know is "telling". My views are originally phrased and not "pathetically parroted." I can and will make moral comparisons between Islamic terrorists and Western warmongers, and your automatic dismissal of such comparisons based on the kneejerk moral superiority you've been brought up on is "pure and willful stupidity at its worst."
No, I haven't been drinking too much liberal/humanist KoolAid...perhaps you've been drinking too much nationalistic/security-obsessed/xenophobic/army-loving/nod-in-approval-as-civilians-slowly-bleed-to-death brandy.
To everybody, I must state that in no way are my ideas derived from or influenced by the fucking media! Disagree with somebody's views and they always hand you the "liberal media" line, that you must be anti-war or whatever because of a nation-wide liberal conspiracy to undermine free-thinking conservatism. The reality is that the media is much more hospitable to corporate agendas than it is to the radical dissidents. But I'm not here to discredit anybody's views on the grounds that it must be that damned media...I'll give you all the respect of assuming you form your ideas with your own mind, which is what I expect in return.
OGG you won't get anywhere with them. I got -rep because someone still thinks that invading Vietnam killing men, woman, and children was the right thing to do. Calling me "dumb and disrespectfull", when I've steered absolutely from it.
"Kinda funny. This fucked-up, USA is at fault, twisted reasonoing you state here, is the same thing by extention. Some dickwads came over, and dropped some grenades (passenger airplanes) at our feet. Only difference, our kids hopped a flight, went to their country, and payed-back the favor. There has not been another grenade dropped on our shores, since. But guranteed, were I in New York that day, and the grenades had been dropped at my feet by these 'children' of allah...I'd have blown their young fucking heads off...just like you said you'd do to Steve."
Steve is a vet of Vietnam (Right?), how is that even linked to Iraq and New York, and Allah? This is why you're wording doesn't make sense to me.
I was talking about Steve talking about children in VIETNAM, dropping grenades at his feet.... and I said I would do the same thing... because HE(Steve) invaded my(Vietnamese) homeland, for reasons to combat communism(Fact), thus trying to force our western policies(Democracy) on countries half a globe away. Just cause Steve was in Vietnam, doesn't mean the war was Right, or just, or needed. This also doesn't make me "HATE Vets" cause I disagree with a war. The war in Vietnam was UN-WINNABLE... THUS we LOST it.. we lost lives, we lost money, and we lost respect.
Now to the Iraq war. Like I said earlier, how history repeats it self, just like I am. How we(USA) have NOT learned from history and its repeating itself in Iraq. The fact of the matter is... the MAJORITY of the country you live in, disagree with the Iraq war and want us to pull out. The current president got voted in(landslide), running on that ticket. Whether he does it or not, is up to the goonies in DC.
I also wonder why the last president was so popular, he did everything right, and left the white house in better condition then he entered. He must have done a great job the last 8 years to earn one of the highest approval ratings any president has had since record began.
Damn straight. It's much better than what's being dished-up right now. But since I feel nothing but pity for those that have been indoctrinated in the art of hatred and facist-leaning liberal revisionists, I'll forgive your ignorance and blind hate for that which you obviously don't understand. Your prejudice is your loss...not ours. :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt
it's nothing ...PRQuote:
I/R, D/P-you lost me with Jodie and Steve, did I miss something?
just an old soldier's marching song...about a guy named 'Jodie'...it's designed to keep you in step..long story....:D
I think I may have to drop the 'Skink' memorial avatar ...soon