I have not a clue what all the highlited gobledegoop is in the prevous post:wtf:]
but here are the pics of the repump and res.
the pump came from (wholesalepumps.com)
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I have not a clue what all the highlited gobledegoop is in the prevous post:wtf:]
but here are the pics of the repump and res.
the pump came from (wholesalepumps.com)
SUPER UPDATE!
Lets backtrack a second..
Each 5 Gal. bucket will house a 6" Net pot lid, that will outfit 2, 180 Degree misters in each bucket. The misters will be placed opposite each other coming down from the top of the lid. Rubber gromets will be placed in the nutrient line wholes on the lid, and the nutrient line will slide right through for a snug, light tight fit. The misters will be attached to the other end, which will hang about 2.5-4" from the top of the lid as to fully cover the net pot as well as the newly developing roots below.
An air pump will be outtfitted to a 6" Bubble Stone that will sit at the bottom of the nutrient res. next to a 520 GPH Water pump w/ adjustable flow knob. The pumps outlet will have a backflow prevention socket, that will lead to the top of the res. lid where on the top of the lid on the outside will sit a Raindrip 8-Outlet 1/4" Dripper feed manifold. Each dripper distribution line is adjustable from 0-30PSI.
From there each distribution line will feed to the buckets misters.
SOME GOOD STUFF!
AND SOME MORE!..
I researched trying to keep the grow buckets at a constant temperature, but came up short on answers.
The temperature in the res. will have to be maintained, and kept slightly warm, So I will most likely invest in a heater with thermostat to monitor it's temperature and adjust accordingly.
Now, keeping the grow buckets from overheating will be another problem. I do not wan't to encounter root rot!
I'm sure they will get quite hot from the temperature in the grow room, since they are just thin PVC plastic. I'm thinking start small and wrap the buckets in some sort of heat reflecting tape to keep them somewhat cool. I still have yet to construct the grow room, have things running, and take temperature readings so I don't know for certain what extent I need to go to keep them cool and at a below 70 Degree temperature.
DOESN'T END THERE!
I've figured out most everything for the plumbing. The outlet to the pump has a 3/4" female insert. I've decided 1/2" is too skinny, so I've upgraded to 1" piping. So the pump outlet to the dripper manifold will go as such -
Pump Outlet > 3/4" threaded to 1" slip Male Adapter > 3 inches of 1" PVC > Backflow preventer check valve > 4 inches of 1" PVC > 1" slip to 1/2" threaded Male reducer adapter > Dripper manifold.
The manifold that all the nutrient lines will run off of will sit atop the resevoir. I will drill a whole so the piping can run through the top. This removes any kinks, and opening the top of the resevoir is as easy as just unscrewing the dripper manifold on top.
I just recieved my 6" Net Pots today and am figuring out how I want to incorperate the misters onto them. I'm thinking I'll stick with my original plan -- Drill 2 holes in each net pot lid, insert rubber grommets, slide the nutrient lines through the top and extend them so they are at length with the bottom of the bucket net (about 6-7")
I'm also constructing a SCROG screen out of PVC and chicken wire. It will be almost as wide and long as the grow tent (31.5") but will bend slightly at each side at 45 Degree angles.
CONTINUING THE MISTER TALK!
So, today I recieved my 1/4" Rubber Grommets for the seals for nutrient tubing as well as air tubing.
Should I have gone with 360 Degree misters instead of 180? The spray spread will be facing the roots/net pot.
Here is a quick shot of the nutrient line and pot -
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As you can see, the nutrient line will drop down from the top passing through a rubber grommet. What I need to now know is how to keep the nutrient line straight, instead of hanging all willy-nilly like that. Maybe a piece of stiff plastic to slide on it so it doesn't bend?
Now I was going to use Rubber Well Nuts, that have a thread at one end where I was going to screw in the misters, insert the nutrient line from the other end, then insert them into the lid. But the nuts are way too short and wouldn't cover spraying the roots efficiently enough, and I couldn't find longer ones ANYWHERE!
Thanks for stoppin by! :thumbsup:
FAROUT :thumbsup:
That sounds like it will work, a couple of comments/suggestions
by running the system without plants you can figure out if you need 4 emmiters instead of 2,me thinks 4 is needed.I used 360 degree only because thats what I had,be sure to angle them so they hit the netting and not up on the solid part of the netpot
the back flow valve sounds like a good idea,but you might need to remove it if you get a syphon action into the buckets,be sure to watch out for this.
I was mistaken on my pump size. they are 1056 GPH not 633s like I thought.each pump feeds 6 buckets.
put your pump in a filterbag,rather than an inline filter,as they cut the flow way down
notice the differance in the spray systems from my first proto to what I setteled on.the first was WAY to much work/cost,all those glued PVC fittings:mad:
and no matter what folks say,you will need to keep the PPMs LOW,if they don't grow with aero they don't know
Aeroponics is not DWC/EB FLOW/FLOOD/DRAIN,BUBBLER, whatever. it is a hi order supercharged fast grow system
and you will need to stay on top of it
oh forgot, paint the buckets and net lids white with rust-olium plastic primer paint,this will help on the heat during the summer,setting the buckets on a piece of styrofoam or Al skinned foam insulation will help with the cold
Are you sure you want to go thru the lids with the feed lines rather than the side of the bucket,thru the bucket allows you to remove,rotate the plants without fussing with tubing fittings and making leaks???
That is a good idea! I think i'll change my setup, and use your 1/2" Vinyl tubing like you have in the second picture. I'm wondering if these 1/2" Compression Tees with barb outlets will work instead of the Tees with the barbs so I don't have to glue and can change out tubing/misters as I need to if problems occur. They are large, but sturdy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddynobucks
Have them exit the bucket, and insert the barb outlet as shown --
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I also picked up a Temperature/Hygrometer today. And will be buying a pH/EC/TDS/Temp. all-in-one meter later tonight.
sorry but I dont see any pics at imageShack
I know you already have them, but I would just go with a barbed "T". the compression fitting is going to be in the way inside a bucket
You should see the BOXES of unused,scrapped, misc. fittings I have. the big drawback to designing/building DIY projects.
Very true. They are quite large seeing them in the bucket. I will stick with the 1/2" Vinyl tubing inside to house the misters, but will come up with another smaller, more agile fitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddynobucks
Here are the backflow preventer, 1" PVC piping and attachments for the pump. Now I also just got the 8 Site dripper feeding manifold today in the mail, but will not need it for the plan changes i've encountered. I'm thinking of just buying a 1" PVC Distributor like such and placing it atop the res. bucket as shown --
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/w...re1513-012.jpg
This..
http://www.flexpvc.com/cart/picserve...=/672-4570.png
or this..
http://www.flexpvc.com/cart/picserve...rve=/6port.png
There are only going to be 3 plants growing as of now, but would like to expand on later.
nice looking fittings,I would plumb for the final # of plant sites and just plug the unused
I doubt your pump will have enough pressure to unseat the spring loaded check ball,unless you pay over a $100 for a pump.
always get the pump with the highest head,for the $
They are nice fittings! I'm thinking of buying maybe a 6+ outlet manifold like shown, and as you said, plug the unused ones. My tent only accomodates 4 buckets (3 plants, 1 res.) at the moment (I measured its dimensions).Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddynobucks
I don't think the pump I bought does have alot of pressure at the head (outlet), just by looking at it it's not a very large pump. 520GPH. I do not think it can unseat the check valve, no, it is a 1" Check valve. Quite large just sitting in my palm.
If it doesnt seem like i'm getting alot of pressure..I'll upgrade the pump, or just lower the PVC pipe size to 3/4" or 1/2".
I'm hoping I have enough pressure to push nutrients up that big 1" PVC piping :/.
head on a pump is how many feet above the pump level it will push water,most cheap pumps only push 9' max and most at 7'
so there really is no pressure. thats why they are measured in GPH/LPH at x'
Yes, the max height on the pump is 8.5'Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddynobucks
Problem? Seeing the size of the PVC I have, it might be. I might have to move down to 3/4" or 1/2" piping.
You guys are f!@#in awesome. Thanks for all the help!
UPDATE!
I went to pick up the 1/2" Barbs for the nutrient lines today. I saw some drainage valves I could have used, but didn't purchase any because i'm still deciding on how I want to tackle that. I still have to get the 1/2" Tubing which i can't seem to find anywhere.. (Should I be looking for rubber, plastic, vinyl, nylon, or polyurethane?)
I purchased a HANNA pH/EC/TDS/Temperature tester from eBay for $85.00 that should be here this week.
I also picked up a Thermometer/Hygrometer, too.
NUTRIENT TALK!
I wanted to go with AN nutrients, but I think that will completely break my bank. So I'm going to go with the GH Flora NOVA Series with SuperThrive added from start to finish (1 droplet or 1/4 teaspon per gallon), and KoolBloom for the last 3 weeks of flowering.
I stumbled upon this feeding scheduale from GH -- A good go by? I know it's better less than more, so I will experiement and see what happens.
Flora Nutrient Weekly Feeding Program - Greentrees Hydroponics
GROW ROOM!
Making sure I understand this correctly:
Keep pH between 5.5-6.0
Keep Temp. at between 72-76 Degrees
Keep Humidity up to or around 70% during vegetation
Keep Humidity below 50%, 30-45%, after the first 2 weeks of flowering to the last 2 weeks then below 40% until Harvest.
Seedling/Clone - 200-400ppm
Week 1 - 400-800ppm
Week 2 - 800-1000ppm
Week 3 through Flowering - 1000-1400ppm
Flush plants with pH adjusted water for 3-7 days before Harvest
Pipe should be at slows or homedpot. Ground irragation or house water line is what I have found.
GH is great go with the feed on that. These nutes are formulated for amsterdam style. Superthive stop well before flower and I myself have noticed my bro not doing as well with it. At first couple goes seemed ok but with superthive it takes longer to recover from problems.
Grow room info is the smack.
I have the same meter so you will need to calibrate solution, cleaning and storage solution. Never let the PH probe go real dry. And for that price let me know who you got it from.
So for Superthrive I should stop prior to triggering my Flower scheduale? I read it's a B2 supplement and I should use it throughout the grow -- No?Quote:
Originally Posted by LOC NAR on probation
What about grow room info being smack? ..confusion
The Hanna meter was found used on eBay. The seller says he only used it twice so I will see how it tests if any problems. Where can I purchase these solutions from?
Yep slowes :-) should have 1/2" Raindrip irrigation tubing.
I use GH 3part, the superthrive isn't needed in the flower and will make your buds taste funny
when you burn your ladies up ,next time try less than 500ppm
all these formulas you read about are NOT for aeroponics
scouts out
I'll check Lowes again for that probably see online and pick it up at the store.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddynobucks
I hear people only use 2 parts of that GH 3 part, the Grow and Bloom. I'll cut out the Superthrive before I trigger flowering, just for vegetation.
Burn my ladies try less than 500PPM? So lower it that much before Harvest?
Do you have another formula, maybe Lucuses? That could be used for Aeroponics..
Grow room info smack on the money. Sorry.
I take my PPM's to the limit. If you see leaf tip burn just back off some it's maxxed out.
Lucas is 1 part grow to 2 parts bloom. It can be run the whole grow with good results.
Lucas is 1 part MICRO to 2 parts BLOOM, or commonly known as 0-1-2 (G-M-B).Quote:
Originally Posted by LOC NAR on probation
Specifically:
VEG: 0-5-10 ml per gallon
Flower: 0-8-16 ml per gallon
(0-5-10 is used with low light veg using fluoros, if using HID for veg use 0-8-16 all the way through out your grow)
It's the easiest shit in the entire world. Perfect formula for Aero.
I believe that the Flora Nova Bloom is already a 0-1-2 mix so you may be able just to buy one bottle of that instead of the 2 bottles of Micro and Bloom.
There are many great posts on ICMag about aero. Do a search there for a user named PIRATE. His shit will set you straight on aero.
good luck.
Skeet.
Awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by elskeetro
FloraNova is 4-8-7 "Flora Nova is an exceptionally potent, complete one-part fertilizer plus organic additives. Extremely concentrated, FloraNova is an excellent bargain with an application rate of only one to two teaspoons per gallon of water. One bottle is all you need, making FloraNova the easiest nutrient youâ??ll ever use."
So would 1 Bottle of FloraNova Bloom work throughout the grow?
For now I will go with 2 bottles of the MICRO and BLOOM GH Forumla in 1QT Bottles, unless adviced otherwise. I'll also grab some Superthrive as well as some KoolBloom.
Yeah, i'm not entirely sure about the flora nova bloom. Stick with the Micro and Bloom for now.
Kool bloom has been reported as awesome. I've never used it. The Lucas method supposedly gives the plants everything they need without any additives. If you do decide to add the kool bloom, i would avoid using the powder in an aero setup. that's asking for clogged sprayers.
Only use superthrive for clones and lightly in veg.
here's a few links you should read:
icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2140406&postcount=20
icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=113425
skeet.
well you sure can't argue with Pirates results!
the only problem with his system is it holds way more plants than what my state allows, to be a legal grow
next time around I will try the Lucas receipe
BUILDING BEGINS!
Well, today I went back to Lowes to pick up some more rubber grommets for my Tees. I've decided to go with Nobucks method of lining the pots with the 1/2" Vinyl tubing and inserting the misters into it. I drilled 3/4" Holes and slipped in the grommets and tees for a nice, snug fit and this is what we have:
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/w...re1531-005.jpg
They nutrient lines will be about 3 1/4" from the top of the bucket lids. I measured so the misters will spray the very bottom of the net pot. I'm going to continue drilling the other holes right now.
The next step will be measureing the 1" PVC pipe and cutting it to incorperate this giant check valve for the resevoir. I'm having second thoughts on this 1" piping -- it's huge! And the fitting that attaches my pump to the tubing is quite restrictive..well I'll get everything cut and put in place and then run the pump to see how it fairs.
I'm going to be buying some GH MICRO and BLOOM, as well as the SuperThrive and KoolBloom later tonight.
I think you need to spray on the sides of the net pot,my spray ring is at the top of the second ring down on the bucket.about 2" down
I put the sprayes on the bottom of the line
No problem! I will just screw the misters in so they are standing tallwise, instead of hanging down. Then they get all of the netpot.
Also, is it a good idea to buy Nutrients in bulk, instead of in smaller quantities like Quarts? You save alot of money that way. I believe the cheapest place w/ shipping to purchase GH is on eBay, but i'm concerned about keeping unused nutrients for a long time after being opened -- Problem?
Yeah, buy at least 1 gallon bottles. Keep them in a cool, dark place and they'll last for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeedTree's
Great! I'll buy the larger Quantity.
Today I drilled a 1 1/4" Hole for the power cord from the pump to exit the bucket (It's a big hole -- Bad idea?) I also drilled 2, 1/4" holes (shown, top left) and inserted rubber grommets for the 2 air stone lines. I also drilled another 3/4" Hole near the top of the bucket for possible pump PVC outlet.
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/w...re1536-001.jpg
Now, there are 2 possible ways I can construct my pump outlet to go. It can either go up, through the check valve, turn 90 Degrees and go out the side of the bucket to the Manifold or distributor..
OR
Go up, through the check valve, and straight out the top of the bucket lid to the Manifold or distributor..
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/w...re1537-002.jpg
What's the best solution? Pros, cons? Doesn't really matter which as long as it exits the bucket in a non-restrictive fashion?
You can see by the picks, I measured and fitted some of the PVC plumbing from the resevoir pump. It will go up, hit the check valve, go up slightly more then bend and go out the side of the resevoir.
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/w...re1546-002.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/w...re1545-001.jpg
From there, it will bend back upwards, where a 1/2" 4-Way PVC Cross will sit, and 3 1/2" Barbs will be inserted into each slot. Each bucket will run off one barb.
I'm confused on what I can do for the Drainage, though. How can I draw that little nutrient out the bottom of the buckets and back into the res..Using gravity or not? That is the final piece i'm stumped on still :what:
I just recieved my HANNA Meter today as well. I'll be ordering a Gal. of BLOOM and a Gal. of MICRO, as well as the SuperThrive and KoolBloom at the end of this week or beginning of next. No rush there
have you filled the bucket res. with water and seen how much goes by the check valve?
are your grow buckets higher than the res.?your pump needs to pump to the top of them.
Yes I filled it almost full with water, ran the pump close to the high setting and a good amount goes by the check valve out the top, but not very much pressure. I still have yet to connect the full ring of plumbing and hook up my nutrient lines, so i'm not sure yet on the pressure coming out of the mister heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddynobucks
No, the grow buckets are pretty much the same level as the resevoir. That's what makes it tricky. I could make stands, but then I would have to encoperate another semi-holding res. to then pump THAT back into the main res. but I don't have enough floorspace to do so.
I think I'm going to have to upgrade the pump I have now. On the highest setting, I don't get much pressure coming past the check valve. Water flows alright, but not at a fast enough pace. And with only 1/2" plumbing, this isn't a good sign.
I'm looking at something over 1000GPU, and a max head of about 13-15'
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They also have sump pumps for a reasonable price, 1/2HP that pump much over 1000GPU, but i'm sure use much more power.
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no, if the bottom of the grow buckets are higher than the top of the res. it will gravity return.
if the buckets are the same height then you need a REPUMP bucket with float switch controling its own pump in the system,it returns the nuits back to res.
UPDATE!
Daddynobucks,
Unfortunately, i'm dealing with a limited space in my grow tent (31.5" x 31.5" x about 6ft). I don't think I will be able to raise the buckets that much to have gravity return to the res. They would have to be raised atleast a foot, and I don't have the verticle height to do that. ALSO, I don't have enough room in the tent to incoperate another re-curculating bucket to pump those drained nutes back into the res (Unless I place it outside of the tent somehow)
This is seeming to be my biggest challenge right now..
I really want to go the Aeroponic route seeing how far i've come, but I may have to re-do my plans and turn this into a DWC Bucket system. I can keep most of my purchased equipment, but just now need to find a good Bubble Bucket system. That way I can still have 3 buckets to grow plants, then 1 for the res.
I've ordered a 1/2 HP Pump off eBay that pushes 2000GPH with a max height of I believe 16'
A 16oz Bottle of Superthrive is also on its way.
Let me know your thoughts everyone!
What size of pipe would hold a 10" Net Pot? I am looking to have aprox 160 sites. Want to grow plants large. Would appreciate all the help you can give