Hiphop, Rap anyone?

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Originally Posted by juggalo420

the reason he wont and other underground rappers most likely not make it big is cause they wont whore themselves out to mtv. fuckin most of the in 'rappers' are just the new generation of pop stars, fucking look at ludacrises new video where he dresses like austin powers hes a fuckin joke. same with 50 cent fuck his bullshit and all of g-units shit is played out crap, how can you have any credibility when they chill on total request live with carson daily, thats just gay, the reason these rappers are huge and selling millions of records is cause the majoority of people buying them are those lil teenie boopers who'll buy whatever the flavor of the month mtv and radio says is. even snoop doggs new cd, he has a song with justin timberlake, enough said. eminem has been on teen people magazine, thats the same shit that used to have nsync and back street boys on it when they were officially 'cool'.

underground is underground cause they wont make a pop song that radio will spin, and they wont sellout any of the real fans and shit for a bunch of screaming teenage girls who only bought the cd cause mtv says its cool.

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Snoop, eminem, 50 cent, ludacris have all paid their dues on the underground. It sounds like you don't want anyone to make any money. If a rapper can make a song that is on TRL and still have people in the streets playing it, then they're versatile, not necessarily a sell out.

And a lot of underground songs sound like they belong on TRL, it's just not enough people are exposed to it.

So again, you can't really generalize.

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Originally Posted by RIP ODB

I know both of those songs, they're good but not close to nas' best.

try "nas is like" "second childhood" "purple" "blaze a 50" "the flyest" "drunk by myself" "get down" ...There are a ton of good ones.

Oh yeah, any song from Illmatic is good, too.

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I agree but I GAVE YOU POWER and REWIND IS the best for me

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Originally Posted by RIP ODB

Snoop, eminem, 50 cent, ludacris have all paid their dues on the underground. It sounds like you don't want anyone to make any money. If a rapper can make a song that is on TRL and still have people in the streets playing it, then they're versatile, not necessarily a sell out.

And a lot of underground songs sound like they belong on TRL, it's just not enough people are exposed to it.

So again, you can't really generalize.

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That's definately accurate. ^.^ ((at least, it rings true to me. -shrugs-))

Compare eminems underground shit to his new shit. Underground em is the best, same with snoop 50 and luda, you will notice there shit ain't as hardcore as it used to be, not as ruthless. The new eminem/50 cent albums are wack as fuck, i mean come on =/

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Originally Posted by Hektik

Compare eminems underground shit to his new shit.

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-laughs- I was actually going to say this, but I figured I'd get a new asshole torn since eminem is the only rapper I actually listen to. :S Anyway, yeah, eminems underground stuff was awesome. He's badass at free-styling even though sometimes it seems like he's got it planned out what he's going to say, I don't know if he does. Of course, his first actual album, inifinate, I must say, blew infinate amount of cock. Probably why it's out of print...

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Originally Posted by az666

shit dude....that was a little harsh! he was just givin his opinion and saying why.....better than just sayin "raps shit dont listen to it, listen to this..."

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i agree

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Originally Posted by BUZz UK

i used to hate rap, but you've gotta open your mind, Dr Octagon, aka Kool Keith, f*cking awesome, with Q-Bert mixing, it's great guys, check out the track
"Bear Witness", you'll love it!

As for you Torog, you are the most stupid, brainwashed imbecile i have ever had the misfortune to encounter. Please don't bother to reply to this, any point that you could attempt to make would be inconcequential, as you have been so badly brainwashed.

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Howdy Buzz,

Please,by all means,define exactly where you think that I've been brainwashed..I'm curious.

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Originally Posted by BUZz UK

As for you Torog, you are the most stupid, brainwashed imbecile i have ever had the misfortune to encounter. Please don't bother to reply to this, any point that you could attempt to make would be inconcequential, as you have been so badly brainwashed.

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Buzz, we're all brainwashed. And you're living proof. A completely typical average rebellious youth who simply can't stand someone having a problem with their OuUTTtttRaagEeeoOusuuUSSSssss and ToTtTaaalllylYYy ZAAAnnnNnnY lifestyle of drugs, sex, and rock and roll ((or is it rap?)).

There's no call for douchebagging. Any response you give to this will be completely inconSequential due to the fact that I could predict your entire lifestyle from only having read one of your posts, your name, and your avatar.

Your ridiculous. ^.^ You seem to know Torog better then he knows himself eh? Despite the fact that you only know what he's posted.

You seem awful sure in your opinions. Maybe you need to rethink your entire mentality?

And seriously! I made then entire post about you, and I don't want you to respond okay? Because I think you're SO insanely stupid and worthless that I've absolutely NO URGE to read what you've to say. ((though I've an urge to talk about you, make judgements, and claim that my mind is set in stone about them))

This has been Encatuse, in a moment of total sarcasm, lack of sleep, and stonedness.

I'm not fighting any battle for Torog, I just found your post outrageously foolish, Buzz. You're making a mockery of all the legitiimate Torog haters like Nullific. -laughs- It seems like your a poor attempt at being one of those. Stop while you're behind.

PS - Don't respond to this!!11111111
"u r stewped bcuz we dont agry."

torog i imagine you voted for bush......enough said?????? maybe not brainwashed....unlss you were in the military for some yrs which im not sure. but if you are, maybe you havent noticed but all the intelligent ex military hate bush. its not necessarily extremely stupid ppl that voted for bush. extremely stupid is the average american. you might fall into that category. hmmmmmmmm

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Originally Posted by slipnslide087

torog i imagine you voted for bush......enough said?????? maybe not brainwashed....unlss you were in the military for some yrs which im not sure. but if you are, maybe you havent noticed but all the intelligent ex military hate bush. its not necessarily extremely stupid ppl that voted for bush. extremely stupid is the average american. you might fall into that category. hmmmmmmmm

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Howdy slip,

Are you even old enough to vote ? Yup..I'm a veteran..are you ?

If the average American is extremely stupid,then it's most likely,that they are liberals,the same,holds true,for those veterans,who voted against Bush..although the majority of military personel,are both conservative and religious,there's always liberal career seekers and free-loaders,that are liberal..it doesn't mean that they are right.

I have over 2 years of electronics and missile fire control training,from the military and over 2 years of civilian training in electronics..I digress..we are talking about stupidity..not ignorance.

Have a good one ....

wait wait wait....so you did vote for bush didnt you ?????

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Originally Posted by slipnslide087

wait wait wait....so you did vote for bush didnt you ?????

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Howdy slip,

I dang sure did-who did you vote for ? Or did ya vote ? I also voted for Reagan twice and for Bush Sr...I believe in a strong national defense over that of social engineering..social programs don't mean squat-if the citizens are dead. Are you one of them thar fellers..who doesn't even know how to check the oil in your car ?

ok so you do have a strong intelligent voting history??? wait i have an idea.....let me hear your reasoning for voting reagan TWICE. and our you still happy with that???? hahaa i have a feeling you are

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Originally Posted by slipnslide087

ok so you do have a strong intelligent voting history??? wait i have an idea.....let me hear your reasoning for voting reagan TWICE. and our you still happy with that???? hahaa i have a feeling you are

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Howdy slip,

You haven't answered any of my questions about your voting history..so I must assume..that you have none.

Carter decimated the military,Reagan restored it..by doing so,the USSR fell and the Berlin Wall,came down..those reasons alone..made Reagan the best choice.

I will never regret my decision to vote for Reagan..especially after the democrappers decimated the military and it's morale,and left Americans embarrassed and ashamed.

I tell you what..why don't you grow up a little bit..and in 5 years or so,we can talk some more...

Have a good one....

PS: here's some cookies and milk for ya...enjoy !

The fact of the matter is Torog made a bold statement with no substance to back it up. And then he said "are you one of them thar fellers who cain't even change oil in a car?"

I wouldn't say you're brainwashed but I will say this... YOU MIGHT BE A REDNECK!!!!!

hey torog, i could answer this for you, but why dont you do some of your own research and tell me what really ended the cold war with the collapse of the soviet union....leading and CONTIBUTING to the fall of the berlin wall and reunification of germany. thanks.

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Originally Posted by RIP ODB

The fact of the matter is Torog made a bold statement with no substance to back it up. And then he said "are you one of them thar fellers who cain't even change oil in a car?"

I wouldn't say you're brainwashed but I will say this... YOU MIGHT BE A REDNECK!!!!!

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Howdy Rip,

Hey man..I resemble that remark ! lol I love the Blue-collar Comedy Tour..they just had round 2,did ya see it ?

Have a good one...:D

i personally cant stand them. IMO but hwo cares right.,

Hey, guess who else was a veteran...Hitler.
Oh, and John Kerry...Bush was not however.
My grandfather fought in Korea and got to help clean up in Japan.

You have to bring politics into everything and you have to attack liberals personally.
PERSONALLY, not their beliefs directly but them as a group for believing them. You assume everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal or had liberal "america-hating" teachers. You are implying that liberals are unpatriotic, one of the oldest tricks in the book. You sir, would have been one to support Hitler. If you werent just some dick on a website it would probably piss me off.

i also like tech n9ne
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tite as fuck

im waiting torog.......any research done.????i will answer your questions as soon as i fully understand how ignorant you are, then i can decide what approach to take.

omg only one person mentioned immortal technique (i think) he is by far the best rapper his lyrics are deep,his beats rn't ne thing special but pretty good but the lyircs will blow u away. listen 2 "dance with the devil" its harsh but fukkin good

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Originally Posted by slipnslide087

hey torog, i could answer this for you, but why dont you do some of your own research and tell me what really ended the cold war with the collapse of the soviet union....leading and CONTIBUTING to the fall of the berlin wall and reunification of germany. thanks.

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Howdy slip,

How about you tell me what your liberal teachers,told ya happened ?

Chances are,they presented the whole issue to you,from a liberal stand-point,and liberal teachers,are fond of rewriting history-to suit their agenda.

Have a good one....

^^what null said

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Originally Posted by az666

i also like tech n9ne
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tite as fuck

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hell yeah, i luv 'anghellic' and 'absolute power'.

TOROG HAVE YOU NOT CONSIDERED MAYBE THAT EVERYONE AGAINST YOU IS NOT A LIBERAL< BUT MAYBE YOU"RE JUST SHORT OF FUCKING RETARDED????


HISTORY IS HISTORY, AND YOU ARE WRONG!! BOTTOMLINE. I would love to answer your questions but i havent goteen shit from you either.

Here is a generic Torog post;

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Howdy namegoeshere,
Well I really don't have much to say about the issue at hand...so you must just be an unpatriotic liberal. Don't worry it isn't your fault, its them daggum liberal america-hating teachers you must of had up in your democrapper biased school. Not to mention I don't know you, or your teachers or parents or anybody you interact with for that matter.
Praise the lord mighty Jesus and kill them daggum muslims. Ima go git high now.
(Insert liberal-hating, nationalism provoking propaganda images here)

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Originally posted by Torog
If you're American,then your confusion about why America is unique and the best nation,is probably because of self-loathing,America hating,liberal teachers,who have not taught you that America is great-because we were founded on the principle of individual rights.

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Originally posted by Torog
If you find yourself surrounded by self-hating,cowardly,anti-American,hate-filled younguns at your school..these guys can help.

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However you can see the man isn't completely close-minded, he deserves some credit.

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Originally posted by Torog
Well daggumit..I don't see anything in your post-to disagree with..uh oh..lol..as long as gays don't demand that their marriage be blessed by God-when clearly,God is against such unions..I could live with that..I think.

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Originally posted by Torog
You make some good points,I am having a bit of a struggle,I don't like the idea of forcing anyone to believe a certain way..or legislating behaviour..I want to live and let live,I want folks to be happy..

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Originally posted by Torog
I realize,that there are many muslims,who do want to live peacefully,and I'm certain that you're one of em. I do git carried away with my generalizaions,characterizations and stereotypifications,from time to time

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Cut back on your generaliz/characteriz/stereotypifacations and we may be able to make some progress.

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Originally Posted by juggalo420

hell yeah, i luv 'anghellic' and 'absolute power'.

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i got anghellic but i havent heard absolute power yet...it ne good? im gunna have another look fo it

anyone like "Dead Prez"? I think their cool.

I do enjoy Absolute Power.
Dead Prez I have heard of but never heard, i'll download some something...damn 56k.

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Originally Posted by az666

i got anghellic but i havent heard absolute power yet...it ne good? im gunna have another look fo it

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id say its better than anghellic

I don't really care for most mainstream rap, mostly big bass and light lyrics reverting to time tested money making formats. But hey, to each their own. I personally really like the movement of underground hip-hop that emphasizes lyrical content, but still lays down some fat beats. Take 50 Cent's new album. Sucks. No Dre=Nothing worth listening to. 'Ol mushmouth mumbles his way through 15 or so tracks that are mediocre at best and downright terrible at worst. But I digress...

Hieroglyphics, Del, Atmosphere, Brother Ali, Eyedea & Abilities, Busdriver, Sage Francis, Souls of Mischief, Pharcyde, anything with Dan the Automator - especially Deltron 3030 and Handsome Boy Modeling school, Devin the Dude, Spearhead, the list goes on and on...

Forgive me, for I am stoned, but check out labels like Rhymesayers, Hiero Imperium, Quuanum, Epitaph is releasing more and more hip hop labels and so far most of what I have heard is great.

Oh yeah, I just saw Souls of Mischief a couple weeks ago, and I'll be going to see Atmosphere 4/15! I could go see Bone Thugs & Tech N9ne, but I dont want to pay for a $30 ticket just for Tech N9ne, he's suposed to be crazy in concert.

Peace :D

I like Tame One and most of the Eastern Conference Allstars.

where the hell have you been lonestoner?
have`nt heard from you in awhile!
have yall forgot about Kid Rock?
well i`m just a simple minded dude!
i enjoy his rap, rock and country music!
like i`ve posted before, i like about all forms of music except classical. peace!

i think everyone forgot about kid rock......

I always thought everything Kid Rock put out sounded the same.

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Originally Posted by poorman3

where the hell have you been lonestoner?
have`nt heard from you in awhile!

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I've been lurking, just been a while since i felt like posting ;)

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Originally Posted by Encatuse

Buzz, we're all brainwashed. And you're living proof. A completely typical average rebellious youth who simply can't stand someone having a problem with their OuUTTtttRaagEeeoOusuuUSSSssss and ToTtTaaalllylYYy ZAAAnnnNnnY lifestyle of drugs, sex, and rock and roll ((or is it rap?)).

There's no call for douchebagging. Any response you give to this will be completely inconSequential due to the fact that I could predict your entire lifestyle from only having read one of your posts, your name, and your avatar.

Your ridiculous. ^.^ You seem to know Torog better then he knows himself eh? Despite the fact that you only know what he's posted.

You seem awful sure in your opinions. Maybe you need to rethink your entire mentality?

And seriously! I made then entire post about you, and I don't want you to respond okay? Because I think you're SO insanely stupid and worthless that I've absolutely NO URGE to read what you've to say. ((though I've an urge to talk about you, make judgements, and claim that my mind is set in stone about them))

This has been Encatuse, in a moment of total sarcasm, lack of sleep, and stonedness.

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lol, you are so wrong

plus i don't like Torog's incessant liberal bashing and the distastful pictures he posted, which were wholley unneccesary.