Chance % Mccain will die during office

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Exactly what if Obama has a mental break down or an accident and becomes retarded? I mean really the argument can go both ways. The fact of the matter is that we don't know what the future holds and we can't be talking about crap no one knows for sure. The point is anything can happen to anyone at any time.

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Am I the only person that understands math.... or had to take statistics? The odds of Obamas mental break down or retardation with no prior instants of such illnesses makes them a long shot. And WTF, the odds of a meteor slamming into Obama is so small only a retard would bring it up. Yet on the other hand, I think it deserves at least a thought about a 72 yo man that was had bouts (4 times ????) with cancer. I mean, there is a real statistical chance that McCain could die in office. is this the end of the world, maybe... maybe not. but it sure as hell makes me worried that he picked Pallin and not someone more qualified to take over the office.

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Originally Posted by stoned88911

So can u tell me why u dont like palin


Palin scares u? and not the people obama associates with, bill ayes, rev wright, and the long list of others. Even his own wife said herself she for the first time was proud of her country

Barrack Hussan Obama sounds like a terrorist to me, and sarah palin scares u???

U all say if republicans win palin is a heart beat away from being president

If democrats win Obama IS THE PRESIDENT that scares the shit out of me.

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your proud of our country that is rapidly falling behind in economics, science, education?

I'm not very proud to call myself an american you do realize 80% of the world hates us or at least thinks of us as retards that just got rich off of WWII?

his name sounds like a terrorist does not mean he is one

Sarah palin thinks you can 'pray gayness away' shows her complete lack of understanding of contemporary biology and psychology

Palin and Mccain would ideally like to see more religious crap in our public school systems and this is a HUGE problem for me. Religion has no place in school, it gets in the way of actual learning

I don't want to get too into this... im done :stoned:

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Originally Posted by theforthdrive

Am I the only person that understands math.... or had to take statistics? The odds of Obamas mental break down or retardation with no prior instants of such illnesses makes them a long shot. And WTF, the odds of a meteor slamming into Obama is so small only a retard would bring it up. Yet on the other hand, I think it deserves at least a thought about a 72 yo man that was had bouts (4 times ????) with cancer. I mean, there is a real statistical chance that McCain could die in office. is this the end of the world, maybe... maybe not. but it sure as hell makes me worried that he picked Pallin and not someone more qualified to take over the office.

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I do! you know, stats should be required in highschool!

with todays world, and statistics being flung back and forth and people not understanding the basics of it really scares me!

Obama has the same if not greater chance of dying in office also.

And I would pick Palin over Biden any day of the week.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

Obama has the same if not greater chance of dying in office also.

And I would pick Palin over Biden any day of the week.

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care to elaborate?! "the same if not greater".... Im I confused? Fact remains that a 72 yo man that has a history of serious medical conditions has a greater chance of dying than a healthy (whatever younger age Obama is) man. Please dont say something weak like.. he'll get shot. lets all remember that the last whack job that tried to kill a Pres. didnt do it for some great political/ social agenda. it was because he thought Jodie Foster was hot! So again, how, statistically speaking from reality, is Obama more likely to die in office than McCain. Im not asking for you political views... trust me, our voter registration cards say the same thing.

ps... not to hijack the thread but you started school awhile back... not as scary as you thought huh? LOL, wait until you get to statistics!

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Originally Posted by theforthdrive

care to elaborate?! "the same if not greater".... Im I confused? Fact remains that a 72 yo man that has a history of serious medical conditions has a greater chance of dying than a healthy (whatever younger age Obama is) man. Please dont say something weak like.. he'll get shot. lets all remember that the last whack job that tried to kill a Pres. didnt do it for some great political/ social agenda. it was because he thought Jodie Foster was hot! So again, how, statistically speaking from reality, is Obama more likely to die in office than McCain. Im not asking for you political views... trust me, our voter registration cards say the same thing.

ps... not to hijack the thread but you started school awhile back... not as scary as you thought huh? LOL, wait until you get to statistics!

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Yes McCain is 72, but that shouldn't matter. In this day and age the life expectancy (And by that I don't mean "alive" as in eating through a straw and not being able to walk) is in the 80's. And him having cancer doesn't make him more liekly to die, at least not his cancer. The man is healthy.

And like it or not even though Obama is healthy (which by the way he has as good as chance as anybody of acquiring cancer or even a heart attack, even if he does appear healthy) there is a good chance that someone is going to try to kill him. I don't want him to die, get cancer or anything but it's true. Some people are just not going to sit and grin when he takes his oath. How that is "weak" I really don't know.

I know that the last time a president got shot is was for a stupid reason but if you give that kind of chance to both McCain and Obama you also have to realize that on top of THAT randomness Obama has a whole other set of reasons to get shot. Him being assasinated it a very real threat, as it is for McCain but you can't tell me Obama doesn't beat McCain on THAT one by a whole lot.

Oh and yeah school has been pretty nifty. I enjoy it haha.

the average life expectancy is actually about 77 years

so even if mccain didnt have recurring melanoma, chances of him dying are actually very high

rebgirl why would you want Palin?

-she wants creationism taught alongside evolution (shows us she is scientifically retarded)
-She thinks you can pray away gayness (religious and biologically and psychologically retarded)
-She wants to overturn Roe vs Wade (if someone gets raped, you MUST have the child. not to mention all the back alley closet hanger abortions that will begin)

anyone but Palin is my slogan :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Revanche21

the average life expectancy is actually about 77 years

so even if mccain didnt have recurring melanoma, chances of him dying are actually very high

rebgirl why would you want Palin?

-she wants creationism taught alongside evolution (shows us she is scientifically retarded)
-She thinks you can pray away gayness (religious and biologically and psychologically retarded)
-She wants to overturn Roe vs Wade (if someone gets raped, you MUST have the child. not to mention all the back alley closet hanger abortions that will begin)

anyone but Palin is my slogan :thumbsup:

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Well it's not so much that I WANT Palin. It's much rather that I don't want Obama or Biden. I am very pro-choice, pro-gay and very anti-religion. However I really sincerely doubt that McCain will die in office, no matter what anyone says. But even if he does you have to see that the Democratic congress and senate and all that jazz will never let her extreme shit through. Checks and balances are a hell of thing.

However if Biden gets in there I believe he could pass his radical far left views because the Democratic congress and senate, ect. will let his shit pass.

It all comes down to the fact that we all got the very short end of the stick. No one really likes their choices. It's just a matter of who do you hate less and/or who could do the least damage until the next 4 years when we will get a whole new lottery of schmucks and assholes.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

Well it's not so much that I WANT Palin. It's much rather that I don't want Obama or Biden. I am very pro-choice, pro-gay and very anti-religion. However I really sincerely doubt that McCain will die in office, no matter what anyone says. But even if he does you have to see that the Democratic congress and senate and all that jazz will never let her extreme shit through. Checks and balances are a hell of thing.

However if Biden gets in there I believe he could pass his radical far left views because the Democratic congress and senate, ect. will let his shit pass.

It all comes down to the fact that we all got the very short end of the stick. No one really likes their choices. It's just a matter of who do you hate less and/or who could do the least damage until the next 4 years when we will get a whole new lottery of schmucks and assholes.

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I don't think Obama will get assassinated

but if you are all those things you just claim, why Mccain? hes the opposite of all that, do you agree with his economical plan to give tax breaks to the wealthy?

No I agree with his plan not to tax ANYONE, wealhty or not. Because if you haven't realised the people who hire you and sign your paychecks are "wealthy". Why should you be punished for making money and making the economy go round?

This spread the wealth bullshit has got to stop.

Not to mention I may agree on some social aspects of Obama's campaign but I mostly agree with McCain. I am against socialised healthcare for example. I am very pro gun. I am for the war. I am anti-welfare. Shit like that makes it oh so much more bearable to vote in McCain.

wikipedia says that the US male life expectancy is 75.15 years and that only 6 presidents out of 43 have been wounded or worse from an assassination attempt. so from a number point of view its far greater that mccain dies than obama gets clipped. I guess its in your wording. you say there is a "good chance" which I take as more than 50% less than 100% hes assassinated yet it cant register that statistically speaking McCain doesnt have much longer. I am not saying he is going to die. But the thread was about chances of McCain dying not politics for left to right.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

No I agree with his plan not to tax ANYONE, wealhty or not. Because if you haven't realised the people who hire you and sign your paychecks are "wealthy". Why should you be punished for making money and making the economy go round?

This spread the wealth bullshit has got to stop.

Not to mention I may agree on some social aspects of Obama's campaign but I mostly agree with McCain. I am against socialised healthcare for example. I am very pro gun. I am for the war. I am anti-welfare. Shit like that makes it oh so much more bearable to vote in McCain.

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Im against socialised healthcare too but in the grand scheme of things I think mccain has worse ideas and stances(and hes gonna die soon ;) )

yea but when 1% of the population owns roughly 60% of the country's wealth, its disturbing to not tax them more

I don't like mccains idea of health care credits tho, isn't that kind of like welfare?

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Originally Posted by theforthdrive

wikipedia says that the US male life expectancy is 75.15 years and that only 6 presidents out of 43 have been wounded or worse from an assassination attempt. so from a number point of view its far greater that mccain dies than obama gets clipped. I guess its in your wording. you say there is a "good chance" which I take as more than 50% less than 100% hes assassinated yet it cant register that statistically speaking McCain doesnt have much longer. I am not saying he is going to die. But the thread was about chances of McCain dying not politics for left to right.

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Yeah well did you factor in that we've NEVER had a black president? Your stats are fitting for the all white presidents that we've had but whites are the predominant race in the U.S. and that racist tone is not fitting for them. Look at all the highly regarded black leaders from the past, and let's see how many of them died by the bullet.

This isn't even about left or right. And I hope it doesn't look that way from my posts as that is not my point.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

. I am very pro-choice, pro-gay and very anti-religion.

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...and you smoke weed. how exactly do you identify with the republican party! LOL, Im teasing you. Im kinda the same way. From a personal freedom point of view Im kinda liberal, but from a gov't stand point kinda conservative. I suppose our difference is that Im a disgruntled republican and have been since they took Bush over McCain in 2000! Nothings made sense to me since then.

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Originally Posted by theforthdrive

...and you smoke weed. how exactly do you identify with the republican party! LOL, Im teasing you. Im kinda the same way. From a personal freedom point of view Im kinda liberal, but from a gov't stand point kinda conservative. I suppose our difference is that Im a disgruntled republican and have been since they took Bush over McCain in 2000! Nothings made sense to me since then.

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I identify with the Republican party because real Republicans are Libertarians. And I my friend (Oh god, McCain is rubbing off on me haha) am a Libertarian. My Republican party has lost it's way but one day we'll get it back.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

Yeah well did you factor in that we've NEVER had a black president? Your stats are fitting for the all white presidents that we've had but whites are the predominant race in the U.S. and that racist tone is not fitting for them. Look at all the highly regarded black leaders from the past, and let's see how many of them died by the bullet.

This isn't even about left or right. And I hope it doesn't look that way from my posts as that is not my point.

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Jesse Jackson, Louis farrakhan, Al Sharpton, and even Jerimiah Wright all seem to be old "Black" leaders. And have had their platforms for decades. Malcolm X and MLK we killed in the sixies right after the Civil rights act of 1964. Alot has changed... for the better!

I dunno, this shit hasn't changed. You may think it has but I assure you it hasn't. Everythings equal on t.v. but in real life that equality stops short on a lot of people's dorrsteps.

And most of those black leaders you mentioned have been shot at, even if they havn't been hit.

I'm no racist, shit if Obama had my Libertarian views I'd vote for him in a second but I work at the republican headquarters and you would fucking die if you heard the shit I do! Racism is still alive, I assure you. Maybe not like it was in the 60's and before but guess what? All you need is ONE, count em' ONE lunatic with a rifle. Or any other means to kill someone with for that matter.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

I identify with the Republican party because real Republicans are Libertarians. And I my friend (Oh god, McCain is rubbing off on me haha) am a Libertarian. My Republican party has lost it's way but one day we'll get it back.

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Im a libertarian voting for Obama

So your a Libertarian who wants bigger government then?

Good stuff.

the chance of him dying in office is 0% cause he aint getting in the office :cool:

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

So your a Libertarian who wants bigger government then?

Good stuff.

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Although my party affiliation would have me vote against any expansion in government, Voting for mccain is just irresponsible to my country sorry I just can't do it besides I live in CA my state will be blue

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

I dunno, this shit hasn't changed. You may think it has but I assure you it hasn't. Everythings equal on t.v. but in real life that equality stops short on a lot of people's dorrsteps.

And most of those black leaders you mentioned have been shot at, even if they havn't been hit.

I'm no racist, shit if Obama had my Libertarian views I'd vote for him in a second but I work at the republican headquarters and you would fucking die if you heard the shit I do! Racism is still alive, I assure you. Maybe not like it was in the 60's and before but guess what? All you need is ONE, count em' ONE lunatic with a rifle. Or any other means to kill someone with for that matter.

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I bow out..... Im not touching this anymore. But I stick to my main point. regardless of political beliefs, there is a real statistical chance of John McCain dying from natural causes while in office if elected to the white house.

Yes, yes there is.

But there is also a good chance that Obama will too.

So it's a good point either way.

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

I dunno, this shit hasn't changed. You may think it has but I assure you it hasn't. Everythings equal on t.v. but in real life that equality stops short on a lot of people's dorrsteps.

And most of those black leaders you mentioned have been shot at, even if they havn't been hit.

I'm no racist, shit if Obama had my Libertarian views I'd vote for him in a second but I work at the republican headquarters and you would fucking die if you heard the shit I do! Racism is still alive, I assure you. Maybe not like it was in the 60's and before but guess what? All you need is ONE, count em' ONE lunatic with a rifle. Or any other means to kill someone with for that matter.

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this is true, however i firmly believe secret service is there for a good reason these days and lessons must have been learned from past incidents.

i mean if in 2008/2009 with all the scrutiny and security and intel we got, such a thing actually happens, then i donno what to say.

I seriously can't imagine why anyone would feel safe with Palin as president. Am I seeing things in some sort of alternate reality? I hope so, cause the Palin I've been seeing is more of a puppet then they could have ever hoped Bush to be.

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Originally Posted by JaySin

I seriously can't imagine why anyone would feel safe with Palin as president. Am I seeing things in some sort of alternate reality? I hope so, cause the Palin I've been seeing is more of a puppet then they could have ever hoped Bush to be.

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Bush 2.0

It's pretty obvious to me that Mccain has a far greater chance of dying sooner then Obama. That would leave Palin as the president, what a joke the US would be then, it would be an absolute farce. Obama brings about positive liberty and he's gonna bring the change to rejuvinate the greatness for which the US originally stoof for. He's going to help more people then Mccain will, 95% infact. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just want to add i can't stand all these borderline racist allegations and falsities that are being spewed. It just shows what foul people there still are in the underbelly.

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Originally Posted by flyingimam

u know nothing of statistics, u r shouting it aloud man;)

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No obviously you don't just because something is more probable doesn't make it a fact that it will happen. There is always a chance for something. The chance the world won't end tomorrow are high, but what about the day it really does end? It is always possible and debating on chance is foolish. Better to debate about things that are a little more concrete.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

No obviously you don't just because something is more probable doesn't make it a fact that it will happen. There is always a chance for something. The chance the world won't end tomorrow are high, but what about the day it really does end? It is always possible and debating on chance is foolish. Better to debate about things that are a little more concrete.

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thats the whole point of statistics, it gives you a better idea

if I said you have a 75% of dying tomorrow

you can say anything can happen and its chance bla bla bla
but fact would be that 3 times out of 4 you would die

to deny any claims that aren't concrete is like saying lets drop everything we can possibly talk about a lot of politics is abstract anyway

statistics are very useful in helping us make decisions about abstract ideas and concepts

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Originally Posted by Revanche21

thats the whole point of statistics, it gives you a better idea

if I said you have a 75% of dying tomorrow

you can say anything can happen and its chance bla bla bla
but fact would be that 3 times out of 4 you would die

to deny any claims that aren't concrete is like saying lets drop everything we can possibly talk about a lot of politics is abstract anyway

statistics are very useful in helping us make decisions about abstract ideas and concepts

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I am not denying anything. I agree there is a chance McCain can die in presidency just like there is for Obama, but for that to a major factor in my vote is ridiculous. I am not a person for chance. I believe that everything that happens was meant to happen and that no matter the chance it will happen.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

No obviously you don't just because something is more probable doesn't make it a fact that it will happen. There is always a chance for something. The chance the world won't end tomorrow are high, but what about the day it really does end? It is always possible and debating on chance is foolish. Better to debate about things that are a little more concrete.

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Originally Posted by Revanche21

thats the whole point of statistics, it gives you a better idea

if I said you have a 75% of dying tomorrow

you can say anything can happen and its chance bla bla bla
but fact would be that 3 times out of 4 you would die

to deny any claims that aren't concrete is like saying lets drop everything we can possibly talk about a lot of politics is abstract anyway

statistics are very useful in helping us make decisions about abstract ideas and concepts

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

I am not denying anything. I agree there is a chance McCain can die in presidency just like there is for Obama, but for that to a major factor in my vote is ridiculous. I am not a person for chance. I believe that everything that happens was meant to happen and that no matter the chance it will happen.

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I rest my case :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

I am not denying anything. I agree there is a chance McCain can die in presidency just like there is for Obama, but for that to a major factor in my vote is ridiculous. I am not a person for chance. I believe that everything that happens was meant to happen and that no matter the chance it will happen.

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everything that happens was meant to happen is a loaded statement with no real merit and not falsifiable dunno why you would believe in something that can't be disproved if your so meticulous in your facts :)

but the chance of mccain dying is much higher than Obamas and im looking at it from a Obama vs Mccain, Biden vs Palin argument, I would be fine with the 3 but not Palin, she is just Bush 2.0 I can't deal with that

anyways im gonna drop the issue peace love and :stoned:

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Originally Posted by flyingimam

I rest my case :thumbsup:

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Right but, that is not what you said at all lol.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Right but, that is not what you said at all lol.

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exactly

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Right but, that is not what you said at all lol.

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Originally Posted by Revanche21

exactly

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I saw no point repeating what revanche had already written, i quoted (gave credit) and would have said the same exact thing if i wanted to respond to your initial denial about what i said "u dont know statistics" and counter-claim that i dont know it, u know? didnt wanna get into it in a personal way and still wont, this is just for clarification. i have no other comments regarding this thing :D

didn't wanna hurt no feelings, just merely was trying to rationally criticize a claim that had been made. sometimes my str8forwardness looks rather harsh in text, but i cant help it...

Peace n :stoned: as revanche said :D;)

Man..... This is going around in circles. You can't criticize someone for not knowing about statistics when what they are saying is statistically possible... It is not if McCain living is some .0000034% chance.

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The Associated Press

U.S. authorities said Monday they have broken up a plot to assassinate U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in Tennessee.

In court records unsealed Monday, federal agents said they disrupted two neo-Nazi skinheads' plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed but predominantly African-American high school.

The skinheads, reported to be of 20 and 18 years of age, did not identify the school by name, said federal agents.

The two men planned to kill 88 black people and decapitate an additional 14, said Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The men also sought to go on a national killing spree, with Obama as their final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.

"They said that would be their last, final act â?? that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."