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Originally Posted by illnillinois
yeah, refer back to post #32, you know, where you said 'fuck that guy'?
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Originally Posted by illnillinois
yeah, refer back to post #32, you know, where you said 'fuck that guy'?
and swearing doesn't mean anything special to me and you have everyQuote:
Originally Posted by illnillinois
right to use whatever language you choose.
it's just that i have teenagers that i'm trying to teach concepts
like decorum, dignity and self-respect.
concepts that seem to have been forgotten by the younger generation.
No, i understand where i said it,Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
your comment of "you brought jesus into it", like I was complaining that you were involving Jesus..
hey Bozo,
you in WY????
can't we just fight about politics like normal and save Jesus for the religion/spirituality forum?
How about that dirty good for Nothing Obama.. and that lousy turd McCain? :hippy:
i made that comment because i've known you to be a reasonable manQuote:
Originally Posted by illnillinois
in the past, despite your insulting me today, and if you really believe in
Jesus, maybe you'd forgotten that He wouldn't want you to speak to
others that way, that it only lessens you.
I'm not trying to defend bad etiquette but everyone has their own idea of etiquette. I think it's rude when people eat fast, or someone doesn't give up their for the elderly or doesn't say please and thank you. I could go on and on. I'm not exactly Mr. Manners but I have a very uptight view of basic etiquette. I'm a young guy and I view many older people who look like they haven't learned basic table manners or social etiquette. Should I just look down upon them because they are ignorant? I'm happy you pointed that fact out to them because it's important to be aware of the effect cussing causes your view on others, it makes you sound dumb and ignorant but should you be so quick to pass on judgement and degrade someone in your own eyes without understanding where they are coming from?Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
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Originally Posted by thcbongman
frankly, i was neither passing judgement nor attempting to degrade him.
i was politely voicing my own offense at his comment 'fuck that guy'
and also to point out that when you resort to foul language, you rob
your argument of power and only succeed in making yourself look bad.
I insulted you today, im not sure how but my apologies..Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
im just on edge today because I drove 2500 miles to cali, I had to sleep in my car in parking lots since friday, and I only found a place to stay as of last night and I am WAY out on meds..
lol, i guess i'm a little touchy myself, all you said was 'fuck that guy'Quote:
Originally Posted by illnillinois
and even my mother has said worse things than that to me, lol
anyway, i'm glad you have a safe place to stay
i remember some of your troubles from some months ago, is that part of
why you're in Cali now? and what part of the state are you in?
btw, you're gonna love the herb out there
LOL,Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
no, my "fuck that guy" is geared to Obama, not you..
i wasn't attacking you personally..
I made it to Fresno, I am waiting til the 12th or so to apply for my card..
Fresno's program doesn't start til dec 2 '08..
I have not been lucky enough to got to sample good ol' cali bud..
lol, my bad! it's nice to know you agree that Obama isn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by illnillinois
the right guy right now.
and Fresno, that's in the central part of the state right?
go hang out down by the beach man, lol, you'll be baked in no time!
, thanks for the kind words, no beachs near and i work 50hrs weekly, no random freetime.. it will happen, just my body is going thru issues..Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
My body was like, do dah dah do, then my meds ran out and my body is saying WTF, nausea, uneasy, thoughts all over the map..
fuck i hate feeling like this..
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Originally Posted by illnillinois
well my friend, you got well wish's comin' your way from the other coast!
Here's my contribution: YouTube - Obama Citizenship: I Invented The Internet (Ep. 6: October Surprise)
here man..Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]
Thanks! Most people just call me lazy. Thanks, again!Quote:
Originally Posted by illnillinois
Go Nader!
I didn't watch the video above me but I just had to say that Obama was one hell of an adorable little kid.
I like the man as a person. If he had my personal Libertarian views I would vote for him in a second.
I do not have a mortgage, don't own a house, have no debts, no car, and no children. I am in my 50's, got laid off two years ago, and so far it looks as if I don't have to work anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
Nobody is "forced" to have children in the U.S. or raise them here. My wife and I are very happy we didn't.
Plenty of McCain's people are of "questionable" character - including him. I might have voted for him, in fact I was going to, until he picked Palin for his VP choice. Geez, talk about a screw up.
I dont understand why you dont like Obama? hell im a Constitutionist or what have you, i think both sides are bought and paid for from the outside, but still i voted for Obama, i guess he's more closers to my view, oh well........I was gonna vote for Ron Paul and or Bob Barr but i feel it was a waste of a vote.....Quote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
Dude your avatar is totally trippyQuote:
Originally Posted by illnillinois
Please don't assume you know whats good for me. I am educated ,have 4 decades under my belt myself and I have read both economic plans, and I don't have a place in McCains plan at all. It won't help me one bit. Obamas plan, on the other hand will help me in quite a few places. I'm not rich enough to be a RepublicanQuote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
If you like McCains plan fine, but don't start yelling that socialist crap. Its a smokescreen
Do a little reading yourself. You might learn a thing or two about socialism.
McClatchy Washington Bureau | 10/21/2008 | You may not like Obama's tax plan, but it's not socialism
(Hey- You guys have FOX, I have McClatchy. ;))
People are too emotional and perhaps in state of shock (out of the three phases of shock, denial, and acceptance) that capitalism or the system that has been in this country so far, may have its own shortcomings and that it's not a sacred god-made theory.
They do everything in this stage to defend their opinion, until the bigger force of reality takes over in time and the come to accept in the final phase.
having extreme negative bias on words like "muslim" or "socialist" just cuz they are something we are told that its bad or have been used in a way that was actually bad, are only going to work against the holder of the bias.
For everyone's information, we have had socialist programs in excess of half a century, one that many of our disabled or elderly would have suffered without in a much greater measure is called SOCIAL Security
and as a side note, Muslims have been in this world since like 1400 years ago, they have had their very own dominance of the world in their time and some of the earlier breakthroughs in science while Europe was in dark ages. and like it or not, u got 2+ million Muslim Americans, as equal to u as this much hated black man.
I find most of the arguments made against obama simply a cover for the real hate and prejudice beneath. whether its hate for a democrat, a liberal, a black, a muslim or whatever other label people may want to stick on him.
u know, there are a bunch of countries out there who have much more reliable and useful systems that we call "socialist" like many health or tax programs in certain European countries.
sadly, this is in part the result of not so diverse political atmosphere of America. We have had 2 major parties that have had the power to make their voices heard, most of us have no clue what a coalition government is, and we tend to see ourselves and what we do as the best in the world, failing to notice this world has 7 billion people in it and we are hardly a fraction of it. yeah, the last 60 years after WW II may have been super duper for us in many ways, but if u thing in terms of sustainability, pure capitalism without provisions and regulations and side programs that may or may not be socialist is not going to survive for too long.
again, quit thinking about the situation emotionally, that capitalism is against communism or its part of american patriotism, the world and reality are much bigger than this limited point of view that comes to defense of current and past situation & system and keeps attacking obama for being a socialist.
First of all prove with hard evidence and irrefutable proof that Obama is a socialist
here is a good explanation before you even jump on the bus, just read it and u will understand this word is not very well defined and is a very broadly used phrase
from: Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.
Socialism is not a discrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and program; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalization, sometimes opposing each other. Another dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split on how a socialist economy should be established between the reformists and the revolutionaries. Some socialists advocate complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; while others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy. Social democrats propose selective nationalization of key national industries in mixed economies combined with tax-funded welfare programs; Libertarian socialism (which includes Socialist Anarchism and Libertarian Marxism) rejects state control and ownership of the economy altogether and advocates direct collective ownership of the means of production via co-operative workers' councils and workplace democracy.
and 2nd, what if he is a socialist, that doesnt mean anything to me. not all socialist are communist, and not all socialists think about everything in the same manner.
FYI there is such a thing called Social Capitalism just do a google search and u will be enlightened by some new information that u may not posses already.
I for one like whats posted here and the response to it
Social Capital Markets 2008 Blog » Blog Archive » Why creative capitalism disappoints me.
u guys are allergic & paranoid to some extent! lol;)
wOw! IF I CAN GIVE YOU ANOTHER REP I WOULD............^^^^
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Originally Posted by eg420ne
thanks,
does ur screen name anything to do with [H]?
It was just reported today that the RNC has paid over $150,000 for clothes and fashion accessories for Governor Palin since she got the nomination! Holy crap! She spent $!50,000 on clothes in less than 2 months! If she had spent it on $30 Obama-Biden T-shirts she could have 5000 of them! Or she could have stopped at 500 and saved her party $135,000!
Hey, Republican donors, it's time to send in some more cash! Baby needs a new pair of shoes!
thats not her fault nor RNCsQuote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
the society will judge women on the basis of their looks alot more than they care about a man's appearance. and i must say these things are just overpriced in fashion market of america... i mean I get a haircut for like 10-20 bucks, but ladies gotta spend a whole lot more for a regular haircut (of acceptable quality) so u can imagine @ celebrity and officials' level we are talking a big price tag.
God help us allQuote:
Originally Posted by happiestmferoutthere
she has more experience than Obama regardless of what people say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
and as a disabled veteran and a single parent, also in my 50's, i'd 'do'
much better under the Obama 'plan' myself. but at what cost, is selling
out America worth me having some extra cash?
don't kid yourself, the only people who won't see a tax increase is
people like me who live on the public dole. i suppose i should say thanks.
don't vote for McCain, vote against socialism
Do you REALLY want to discuss what they're spending on the campaign trail? Do you REALLY want to compare what the DNC has spent on Obama and his campaign?Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
Much like everything; I have a list :thumbsup:
Obama is outspending McCain by 3 to 1 so he is trying to beg, borrow and steal this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
and have you any idea how much was spent on Barry's wardrobe?
i'd bet those suits he wears cost over $2000.00 each, and his old lady
isn't exactly dressed in rags either
Cindy has pain like all of us here I read it in the Rolling one current issueQuote:
reb girl said, was thinking more along the line of a handjob
Barack Obama for President!! :rastasmoke:
your dam straight!
:rastasmoke:
Obama is outsmarting McCains tactics by 3-1. I realize its a very Republican thing to beg,borrow,or steal elections. Don't confuse that with true enthusiasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
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Originally Posted by daihashi
My point in bringing this up was that it is ironic and funny considereing she is running as an ordinary "hockey mom," who is trying to appeal to "Joe Sixpacks" and "Joe the Plumbers" across the nation. How many hockey moms and plumbers do you know who can spend $20,000 a week on clothes? Does Paris Hilton even spend that much a week on clothes? Shit, I hope some of that clothing is fancy moose-hunting gear and snowmobile suits --- something they can use when they go back to Alaska!Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
This thing is another non-issue, and I know that. But I love to bring up the non-issues when they turn around bite the Republicans in the ass for the same non-issue they were criticising the Democrats for. Remember when John Edwards got slammed for his $400.00 haircut? And when Hillary got hit for her $3000 stylist bill? It was BS then and BS now, but worth bringing up since apparently this kind of thing matters to the Republicans who brought it up in the first place.
As for what the Obama campaign is spending, at least in regards to clothes, the candidates buy their own --- the campaigns do not buy them because that is illegal. The Democratic Party does not buy them either. In the case of Palin, the Republican party is buying them for her, so if Joe the Plumber has made any donations to the RNC, he should know that part of it is going to pay for Palin's shopping sprees at Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue. Ha ha ha ha!
Now that's maverick reform, baby! Way to look out for wasteful spending! Can't wait for her to clean up Washington, or at least clean out the inventory at Saks! Ha ha ha ha!
She's like a one-woman bailout for the troubled fashion industry!
bullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
I can tell it bothers you --- the wasteful spending, the over-the-top disregard for the troubles of ordinary people, how out of touch it seems with everyday life in America. I feel your pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
lol, it scares me dude, and not for me, for my children.
as i've said before, i stand to benefit personally by an Obama
victory, i just don't want to sell my children's future down
the road just so i can reap a few more benefits.
mark my words dude, if he gets in, you, personally, will
live to regret it, especially if you work for a living.
and especially if you're a working American earning $200,000.00,
why bother trying a little harder to get to $250,000.00 when,
if you do, Uncle Barry will only come take it from you so HE
can spread it around.
God help us all!
ARE YA KIDDIN??????Quote:
and especially if you're a working American earning $200,000.00,
and $$250 grand is your goal huh! must be nice!!!
why were us some US citizens 'left out and thrown, into the cold, without a dam blanket?"?
huh?
BULLSHIT! You gotta serve somebody Republicans!
maybe you should re-read my post to be sure you understand itQuote:
Originally Posted by silkyblue
before you open your mouth and show how little you actually got.
maybe you should sell your computer and buy a blanket as well
Palin is just too damn stupid, and inexperienced, to be the vice president, and possibly the president if McCain dies while in office.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
As for her preference for "small town" living and patriotism: I live in New York, not Mayberry. Why doesn't somebody tell Palin that over 80% of Americans live in cities and suburbs? The Republicans are gong to get the results they deserve.
As bad as Obama's tax policies might turn out to be, it's nothing compared to the stupidity of McCain and his running mate.
NY Times
October 14, 2008
Political Memo
A Riveting Speaker, Waving the Flag
By Patrick Healy
RICHMOND, Va. ?? Here is the thing about Gov. Sarah Palin: She loves America. Really loves it.
She loves the smell of cut grass and hay, as she told Ohio voters Sunday. She loves Navy bases, she said in Virginia Beach on Monday morning. She loves America??s ??most beautiful national anthem,? she told a crowd here a few hours later.
Apparently there are people who do not feel the same way about America as Ms. Palin does, she said at campaign rallies over the last two days. Those people just do not get it.
??Man, I love small-town U.S.A.,? Ms. Palin told several thousand people on a field in Ohio, ??and I don??t care what anyone else says about small-town U.S.A. You guys, you just get it.?
Ms. Palin did not identify who ??anyone else? was. But listening to her campaign speeches three weeks before the presidential election, an informed voter would not need two chances to guess between Senator Barack Obama and John McCain. (The posters reading ??Barack Bin Lyin? at the McCain-Palin rally in Virginia Beach might be a hint, too.)
??John McCain is always, always proud to be an American,? Ms. Palin told more than 10,000 people at the Richmond International Raceway.
??U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!? she continued, leading many of them in chant.
As the Republican vice-presidential nominee for six and a half weeks now, Ms. Palin has emerged as the most electrifying speechmaker among the four politicians on the major party tickets. She generates enormous fervor at her events; people sometimes do not stop clapping or shouting words of praise until Ms. Palin pauses.
But Ms. Palin??s partisan zeal could repel some independent voters in closely contested states like New Hampshire and Pennsylvania; Democratic polling in both states shows Ms. Palin with high negative ratings among independents. Palin advisers say many of these voters do not know enough about her; Ms. Palin is campaigning in Pennsylvania on Tuesday and New Hampshire on Wednesday.
In some ways, Ms. Palin seems like a 2.0 version of George W. Bush ?? not the deeply unpopular president, but the plain-spoken and energetic campaigner who rose as a political talent in Texas and solidified his appeal in the 2000 and 2004 presidential campaigns. Hers, like his, is a with-us-or-against-us message, as when Ms. Palin pledges total solidarity with ??good, hard-working, patriotic Americans.?
??For a campaign that says it??s all about the future,? Ms. Palin said to a mix of applause (for her) and boos (for you-know-who) in Richmond, ??do you notice that our opponents sure have spent a heck of a lot of time looking to the past and pointing fingers? You look to the past because that??s where you find blame, but we??re joining you and looking to the future, because that??s where you find solutions.?
??America, doggone it, unfortunately we??re deep in debt, and Barack Obama would put us even deeper in debt,? she added a few minutes later.
??We??ve got to reverse this. America, we cannot afford another big spender in the White House.?
Ms. Palin??s speeches do not acknowledge that looking at past mistakes is one way to avoid making those mistakes again. And her addresses gloss over some uncomfortable details, like that the most recent big spender in the White House is the Republican now there.
Ms. Palin also rarely ends up in the weeds of policy details on the economy, health care or Iraq. When it comes to generalizing, she can muster awfully strong passion, as in discussing Mr. McCain??s ability to get out of a jam.
??He??s got the guts to confront the $10 trillion debt that the federal government has run up,? Ms. Palin said in Virginia Beach as Mr. McCain looked on with a stiff smile, ??and we will balance the budget by the end of our term.?
If there are holes in logic or a lack of specifics in Ms. Palin??s speeches, her audiences tend to fill the absence with gushing affection.
??She??s intelligent, she??s adorable and she has the audacity to speak her mind,? said Ray Gilson of Corapeake, N.C., who attended the Virginia Beach rally. ??I??ve never loved a politician like I love her. I want her to be president someday.?
Kathy Seals, a Republican voter who attended the Richmond event, said she admired Ms. Palin for ??unabashedly speaking the truth, especially about life and the choices she made about her baby, Trig, and with her daughter.?
Ms. Palin??s infant son, who has Down syndrome, is a frequent presence in his mother??s left arm as she shakes hands with supporters and moves from event to event.
Her references to her son are the most personal part of her speech, as she describes being scared when she first learned that the baby would have special needs. She and her husband, Todd, talked, prayed, reflected and ultimately decided to have the child.
??There are the world??s standards of perfection, and that??s what you see in some magazines, and then there are God??s standards,? she said at the Ohio rally Sunday night and repeated in Virginia on Monday. ??God??s standards are the final measure. Every child is beautiful before God, and dear to them for their own sake.?
Even on this subject, though, Ms. Palin saw little common ground with ??our opponents.?
??It??s not negative and not mean-spirited in a campaign to check out our opponent??s record,? Ms. Palin said, citing Mr. Obama??s positions on late-term abortions. Smiling, she added, ??I??ll let you judge for yourself.?