and would the hydromix hp (high porisity) growing medium be good for the soil in the pots?? its got perlite in it
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and would the hydromix hp (high porisity) growing medium be good for the soil in the pots?? its got perlite in it
majopr components canadian spbagnum peat moss 70%by volume
perlite 30 perfect per volume\
starter nutrition micronutriants and macronutriants
ph adjuster gypsum and dolomitic lime
wetting agent
guy at the store said flush with around 6ph water? and to use the dnf gro a and b just alot less and to let em dry out
well a 6x6" hole works.. I meant a 6" in diameter hole but it amounts to the exact same thing. So yes, that will work :)Quote:
Originally Posted by projectinfo
I'm not familiar with it.. basically you want something that has no nutrients in it. If it is anything like Promix then it will be fine. However with Peat you have transplant once every 4 weeks or so.. and do a flush every 4 weeks. Peat is acidic by nature and if you don't do this then you will have horrible soil chemistry, but if you stay on target flushing/transplanting once every 4 weeks then you will be right as rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by projectinfo
it sais on the bag thast it has dolomite lime and gypsum for ph balance
Let's put it this way.. if I met your hydro guy I would break my foot off in his arse for screwing up your grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by projectinfo
Don't use those nutes.. and don't flush with 6ph.
Soil grows ph range is from 6.3-6.8
soilless grow is from 5.8-6.3
Hydro is 5.2-5.8
Coco is 5.2 - 6.8 (yes.. coco is awesome if you know what you're doing with it.)
Tell him to eat a big one and flush your plants with 6.8 ph'd water.
would it be alright to use like a half dose every second watering like 1.5mg per L every 2 weeks or whatever i was doing full dose every 3daYS
the problem with hydro nutes is that the concentration is off compared to soil. Often times you will over feed your plants or burn them entirely.. secondly hydro nutes don't really have any chelating agents in them so they break down into salts.. which in turn gives you very bad soil chemistry.Quote:
Originally Posted by projectinfo
I hate to say it, as crappy as miracle gro is.. but I would recommend miracle gro over hydro nutes for soil based grows.
That's not to say I'm telling you to get miracle grow, but that's to put things in perspective for you. If you can't afford Fox farms nutrient line then that's fine, and believe me I understand what it's like to be on a budget.. but your cheapest soil based nutes would be better than feeding them hydro based nutes.
What are the temps in your grow room looking like now?
so miricle grow from veg to flower..
didnt get the hole cut yet still geting setup lights off half hour ago down to 28 no hole yet so i wont know temp till tomorrow morning when i can turn it on for a while
so any specific miricle grow numbers 0-0-0 i should buy??
man really apreciate all this
For veg you want a nute that is High in N, but low in P-K..
for flower you want a nute that has almost no N but high in P-K
it was 28 before lights went off?Quote:
Originally Posted by projectinfo
That's very good for just changing the intake to the exhaust.. that's 82 degrees.. down from 90.
Another thing, and I practice this myself. Run your lights from 9pm to 9am. Or something similar. Take advantage of the naturally cooler temps at night. When it's cool outside, even though you aren't pulling air in from outside your place it becomes much easier to cool your room.
I live in a very hot area of the world and it makes a world of difference.
26 when the lights off no fan system / passiove hole i fluished with 6.8 and fed lightly with miricle grow and draining quite well now back in the room and lights will turn on in 2 hours.. or should i now?
use african violet food from miracle grow for flower, cheap nutes :thumbsup:
whats the npk, nute numbers
lights been on 6 hours and with the hole its down to 28c, a big change from 34 c and humidity with no humidifier is 45....... im not spose to transplant after flushing right.....??? just flush feeed lightly and go abck to normal.... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight??
look at the plants and the last one is a closeup of the stalks .... right purple bad isnt it...... think theyl bounce back??
They're weeds.. they will bounce back but the quality of your plant has been compromised.
Glad to hear about your temps.. and your pots appear large enough to where you shouldn't have to transplant.
Just to be clear.. I was not advocating for you to use miracle grow. I was saying that even as crappy of a nutrient line as Miracle grow is... it would be better for your soil grow than your hydro nutes.
Your plants results will directly reflect the care and quality you put into it... nutrients included. Do the bare minimum and you get minimum results.
I think you can see where I'm going with that statement.
start over.. get better soil nutes..?? :(
miricle grow nutes are 24 7 14
he doesnt have fox farm ... and other signs i should look for when looking for soil nutes cuz this guy is saying use the hydro nutes just in less quantity......
Order your nutrient line off the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by projectinfo
Try to finish your plants; if nothing else it will be a very good growing experience for you.
During my first grow I made every mistake imaginable. It took me 3 months to get a plant to grow more than 4-6"; but I know why all my mistakes were mistakes and I am thankful for all the mistakes I made because now I know exacty what to do and what to look for when there appears to be trouble among my crop.. more importantly I know how to fix it as well.
So keep growing your plants and learn everything you can. Your 2nd grow will be much better.
theres only 3 plants so thats why soil no big contraptions cept the air/light am i doing this right now all im mmissing is the nutes am i correct??or would there be something elese youd do instead of soil, or maybe a feeding system orswitch to hydro or areo or coco or whats the best simlest easyest way to grow 3 plants with lowish budgeta dn the info already givin
Just keep going with what you have and learn why problems happen... not just how to fix them.Quote:
Originally Posted by projectinfo
I would continue with what you have. A feeding system is unecessary in soil.. hydro and aero are expensive to get started (the water pumps, air pumps, chiller systems, resevoirs, air stones..) and can become complicated if you are not able to monitor the resevoir twice a day (ppm/tds, PH, water temperature and aeration).
If you want to grow in hydro then DWC is often one of the cheapest ways to do this.
I personally grow in coco.. which has it's own issues; but in my personal opinion... it is the next best thing to Hydroponics without all the hassle; not quite as good but 2nd best.
Most of my current issues I have currently in coco stem from unstable genetics. The plants that didn't sprout all weird are looking beautiful/gorgeous.
With all that said.. learn how to grow in your current medium. Take this time to become a master of what you have. Whether you realize it or not.. if you continue down this hobby of growing you will eventually spend more and more money as you will find that your growing style will evolve.
Sorry Dai.....this part I completely disagree with. My hydro man (and he IS good) would cry if you said this to hiim.Quote:
Originally Posted by daihashi
Quality nutes.......miracle grow just aint them. The man who taught me to grow says hydro nutes are completely fine to use as long as you adjust ph to correct levels for soil.
how do you adjust the ph of soil?? dolomite lime to bring it to around 7?? and what is the cporrect level for soil?? its peat/vermiculite/lime/perlite micro and macro nutes in it which are probly gone now i flushed last ngiht cuz of the buildup there a few days agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
so from the dnf gro a/bhow much would i put in what ph of my soil 1/4....1/2? and is there any certain number of litres to give each plant or mix it up and water like i normally would....
baught schultz bloom builder plant food 10-54-10 for flowering stage... but back to my question above..
The reason why I say is because you have to worry about too many micronutes.. and have too strong of a dosage a long with other things which can be a daunting task for someone who is just starting out; particularly salt build up due to a lack of chelating agent, but this was under the assumption that he would pick an organic nute that had a chelating agent in it; although I suppose he could've just dosed with Molasses but then further complicate things by adding something additional into his mixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
For a person who has had this many problems getting his setup straightened out.. I strongly suggested for him to not run hydro nutes. Had the rest of his setup been in check and his only problem been his nutrient line then I would've suggested that he run 1/4 dose hydro nutes in soil as well as be sure to flush every 4 weeks.
I made the assumption that his hydro guy knew what was up with his situation. All to many times have I been in a number of hydro shops where the person absolutely has no idea what they are talking about.
So I guess I should add an addendum... I don't suggest *projectinfo* run hydro nutes in soil until he has had gone through 1 complete grow.. just to avoid complicating the situation that he's currently in.
You adjust the PH of the soil by usig PH up/down in your nutrient solution that you mix and water until you get the desired runoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by projectinfo
If your soil chemistry is fubarred then yes.. you could make a dolemite lime tea; but this starts to get complicated and you'll probably have to use a tea fairly often due to the fact that much of it will wash out with each watering. An easier solution would be just to transplant into a bigger pot; but only if you are close to utilizing most of the soil space in your current pot otherwise transplanting to a bigger pot would cause unecessary stress and would cause your soil to have moist conditions for longer than desired.
Again, the correct ph level for soil.. which I listed previously is 6.3-6.8
so "nutriant solution" is feeding them with the miricle grow or whatevrer i find which all i can see using is the 1/4 of the dnf or 202020 all purpose plant food or the miricle grow..... so adjust the ph in the food to 6.3-6.8 and keep watering and catch the runoff do a ph test till its 6.3-6.8 keep doing till its between those would i wory about over nuting again or salt buildup attempoting to get this fine balance between numbers??
anybody still up??
You have much of the information you need already posted in this thread. Don't focus on salt build up too much but you need to be aware of it. It does happen and isn't uncommon.Quote:
Originally Posted by projectinfo
Organic soil based nutes would help with this which is why I suggested soil nutes. not even thinking you might pick non organic nutes.
With that said I think you are ready to take this on your own. Your grow should be back in check and everything you've been saying lately we've just been reaffirming. Meaning you have a basic understanding of what needs to be done.
Fly little birdie. Time to leave the nest and spread your wings. I think you'll be fine.
OVERNUTE is another issue to think about......it's not the same as salt buildup but along the same line....too much of either will mess up your plants big time.
You want WHATEVER you pour into your pot to be ph'd between 6.2-6.8 and whatever comes out the BOTTOM of your pot should be same.....somewhere between 6.2-6.8 but it doesn't have to be the exact number that when in......just make sure the runoff is between the normal levels as well. If it's NOT, flush with plain water (correct the ph BEFORE you pour it in) until you get the desired runoff.
I again, like Daihashi, agree with a transplant which (if you use QUALITY soil) will help most of your issues straighten out. Soil growing can be easier imo than hydro......but it can also be HARDER sometimes as well.
PS....I also agree with Dai that MANY hydro sellers don't know shit and DO give horrible and incorrect advice.......but mine happens to be excellent.
B'Cuzz Hydromix HP is a ??high porosity? professional growing medium formulated for the serious grower. The light weight and high porosity of B'Cuzz Hydromix HP provide conditions necessary to establish plant growth, especially when growing situations require high air-capacity and low water-retention media. These characteristics make B'Cuzz Hydromix HP ideal for use with water sensitive crops, propagation of plant cuttings and/or low-light conditions.
Directions
Completely fill flats, pots, baskets, etc., taking care not to compact B'Cuzz Hydromix HP. DO NOT PACK DOWN. Be sure all containers have adequate drainage. To minimize dust particles, utilize a fine mist of water when filling containers.
B'Cuzz Hydromix may be moistened prior to or after filling containers. The incorporation of a wetting agent in the B'Cuzz Hydromix HP allows for ease of water absorption and distribution. Wetting is facilitated by constantly turning the mix while applying a fine spray of water until the desired moisture level is obtained.
B'Cuzz Hydromix contains starter nutrition to enable initial plant growth. To provide plants with necessary nutrients, it is essential to initiate a fertilization program during the course of production. The program selected should be appropriate for the plant species grown, stage of plant development, and water nutrient content. It is advisable to frequently analyze media nutrient levels throughout the production cycle to insure plants receive proper nutritional requirements.
Statistics
Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss (70% by volume)
Perlite ?? Premium Horticultural Coarse Grade (30% by volume)
Starter Nutrition ?? Macronutrients & Micronutrients
pH Adjuster ?? Gypsum & Dolomitic Limestone
Wetting Agent
would this be good for my soil grow?? or should i just go to the hardware or liek a garden center and get some basic potting soil?? what should the npk be ,, should i use shults... i baught some organic ferts/nutes from foxfarm today tiger bloom big bloom and american pride fertilizer
treansplant in b'cuzz or go get soil? any specific npk?? ones lookin good il just leave him or should i be consistant so when i nute / flush or whatever laster everything will have the same base
Are you near a hydro store? They will carry the Fox Farms line. You might try filling a cup with your bcuzz and pouring some ph correct tap water through it......if it comes out within the normal limits of ph you're probably ok.
I only use the Fox Farm line so can't tell you much about the different soils. I don't use them so don't know much about them.......I use what my hydro guy tells me and thats Fox Farm Happy Frog for brand new seedlings and Fox Farms Oceans Forest for a couple weeks old on up.
Fortunately......or unfortunately......since the quality soil does the work I don't have to know much.......so I don't about different soils......only the one I use.
So my thought would be that if you can get ahold of some FFOF or Happy Frog I personally would tell you to go and buy THOSE soils and use them. This WAS the point of my first post.....but as usual I forgot what I was talking about. :wtf:
ok il giv a call thanks dude