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I use a cloning techniq where you lightly shave off a strip of outer skin on two sides of the base of the stem, that will make the roots explode in every direction. It doesn't take much. Sometimes I even split the stem a very little bit and then scrape the sides.
I read the techniq in a book, it even works for tomatos.
I just noticed your new thread tonight and am looking forward to following along. Subscribed :thumbsup:
Ok so here we are.
I had to switch to 12/12 yesterday since some plants ae getting too big.
The main problem I am having is to get clones to root properly. I never had problems with this until I started to use such small RW cubes as I have to use for the amazom system.
So I am switching even though only 8 of 16 slots in the system are occupied by rooted plants.
On top of that 3 slots are Hindu Kush plants that are not hindu kush. I either got scammed or my seeds got mixed up because this is either a heavy sativa or industrial grade hemp. Time will tell.
I am flowering 5 WW clones and 3 don't know what.
This grow will hence not be a huge success that I already know but I will use the time to try to figure out how to clone best way to feed the Amazon system with 16 healthy clones once this grow is ready.
1st day 12/12 was yesterday.
Pics will come.
Puff
Hi guys, been a while.
I just ended up running a testrun with the amazon while I perfected a way to effectivelly clone into 5 inch pots.
This was the reason I ended up not going very serious with this run in the end. I ended up just saving one white widow plant and that one will be harvested tomorrow or the day after.
The way to go clone wise, after trying some different ways, is mediumless aeroponics.
I now use an aeroponic 20 plant cloner and it's da shit. It is extremelly effective, has a dome with variable opening and is very compact and quiet.
I tried to use it for cloning in coco, in RW and in dirt plugs but mediumless is best.
One problem I noticed though. Plants are extremelly sensitive for pH during the rooting days. MUCH more so that later on. Also the machine needs everyday setting of pH since water evaporates quite fast in an aeroponic system and saltlevels in the remaining water quickly changes the pH. With pH outside of 5.2-6.2 roots grow fine. Outside of that it seems to stop directly.
That might be good to know for someone, sure was for me when I noticed it. pH meter is a must for this kind of cloning.
Now, I was contacted by another grower not too far away that is about to start up and we ended up changing some clones so now I have K2 as well.
Looks like I'm gonna flower 3 K2's together with 13 White Widow in the run I am setting up for now but final numbers is not set yet.
I will clone all 3 K2's because they all 3 come from different plants. That will make it possible for me to choose which one will mother my K2's in the future a bit later when I know more about the genetics in them and how they grow and put on buds.
I'm gonna use this Log for the upcoming grow as is it really the first serious grow in the amazon system.
I have learned a lot from running this testrun of which a few things are really important.
Cannabis wants it's roots cool. As soon as the temperature goes above 19 deg Celsius they start going brown and shut down from rot. To keep the temperature this low with a black plastic system and a 600W light above is very hard and it took me weeks to solve. I have a fan designated to take cold fresh air from the intake of the tent straight down into the reservoir now and that has solved it, in the summer I'm gonna have to come up with something better though I think. I also bought a big sheet of mylar that will be glued all over the top of the system prior to the start of this grow.
The other lesson I've learned is that pH is much more important and needs constant attention. Basically it needs to be set every other day or so. It's easilly done though so no problems.
So, wish me luck.
I am quite sure I wont disappoint you this time. I have done my homework and real life testing now and this should work out really nicelly.
Pics to come.
Puffzter
Sounds like you have things worked out, looking forward to the next log.
Are the widow clones from the same strain that you did before? It's always nice to run a strain that you know what to expect from it, makes the grow much easier. It will be interesting to see how the aero does compared to coco. happy growing
Ok here we go with pics.First one is clones in the propagator. Top to the left is a new one since yesterday so obviously not rooted, The other three in plugs on the left are my K2's and all the rest are White Widows. Picture natrually bad as usual but you get the idea.http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0747.jpgThe next one is my Bonzai mother after a rough cloning session.http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0740.jpgThis one is the same mother standing at the exact same angle, recovered and ready to go again. Have some friends waiting for clones :Phttp://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0748.jpg Last is part of my stash. My White Widow is not present on the picture so about an ounce of widow should be added.http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0742.jpgSince I guess some are interested in what they are looking at:The weed is Orange Haze.The big pressed slob is Maroccan Brick hash. That's what about 80% of all cannabis that is smoked in certainly nothern Europe. It's quite hard, relativelly well tasting but not very potent. It's one class above street standard so not super. The smaller piece to the right of the big one is Zero Zero wich is a soft brown Maroccan hash. Quite potent and very nice tasting. Still this is relativelly easy to get with connections. Now to the real rarities.The pieces looking like small eggs are Maroccan Caramello and this is damn damn good. Got a harsh taste to it and is as soft as a rubber pencil erasor (don't know the actuyal name for those) it is quite hard down, about like an 80-90% indica. Very potent. .2 grams is enough for a pretty long session with your ass planted in a sofa even with high tolerance. I love the effect of this one but the taste is as I said a bit harsh.The last one though, this is the price.Kashmir. This shit is certainly around 40% THC. Hold it in your hand for 30 seconds and it is really really soft but still possible to crumble for some reason so it is easy to prepare. Handrubbed hash is normaly very hard to crumble since it is like clay but not this. The effect is staggering. When we tested it the first time we were 3 ppl of which 2 has cracy tolerance for normal brick hash. I mean these guys can down 5g in an evening of standard. We rolled a .3g sliff and those two were blitzed for 1½h and I was gone totally for 2. About 80% sativa high strangelly enough. It is very uplifting but drop dead strong. I bring it out on special occasions or for good friends now and then. Cheers.Now I am going to pick up some stuff at the hydro store, I hope you enjoyed the pictures.Puffzter
Ok now I have put in some serious work.
I harvested the clone I flowered and I have to say I am surprised.
The plant was not in good shape with some rot in the roots because I didn't solve the temperature issues I had until half way through.
Still it yeilded very well and extremelly resinous, even the stems were sticky as hell. Over 8 ounces wet. Last time I lost between a fith and a forth of the weight in drying/curing so its pretty respectable for a clone in bad shape and in a 2inch pot!
This time around the system is running full, 16 clones.
After that I took the Amazon apart and cleaned it out, cleaned the growtent and put the system back in with one modification.
I covered the top in mylar. Black plastic 15 inches below a 600W HPS does make it a bit hard to keep the temperature down in the root chambre. It should be a bit easier now when most of that light is reflected instead of transformed into heat.
The clones have been rooted with collars only, totally mediumless in an aeroponic propagator.
I put some leca in all of the 2 inch pots and covered the top with coco and a collar of mylar to stop light reaching the roots. Then they got transfered to the Amazon and will be kept under 18/6 until they reach about 10 inches then I flip to 12/12.
The goals with this run are a few.
1. Keep a steady temperature of 17-19 degrees Celsius in the rootchambre through out.
2. Be on top of the pH day by day. I've been having serious problems with pH in both the propagator and Amazon up until a few weeks ago but that have tought me just where the box is for aeroponic growing. 4.9-6.0. Outside of that it just shuts down.
3. Clone all 3 K2's and save those clones until I know how the 3 plants in flower are doing and then choosing a mother to make a bonzai out of.
4. Harvest at least 400g but the target is 500. About 18 ounces.
I am flowering 13 White Widow and 3 K2.
I'll make a new post with the pictures from tonight, enjoy.
Puffzter
So here are the pictures from tonight.
Harvested clone together with a 68 liq. ounce Coke bottle.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0749.jpg
Top of Amazon covered in mylar.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0751.jpg
Grow tent in walk in closet cleaned out.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0752.jpg
Water reservoir for Amazon cleaned and put in place and filled up.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0754.jpg
Root chambre and sprinklers remounted.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0755.jpg
Top back on. Decent pic of my flowering setup. Cooltube 600W. Air moistener. Inline fan for ventillation and 2 additional fans for keeping the air moing as I want inside the room.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0758.jpg
Clones put into the system. The WWs have had a few days with bouncing pH during rooting and that shows but they are all strong as far as I can tell. Clear white roots and a few points to grow from on each of them. Note my cloning/mother area on the roght side.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0759.jpg
My secret garden in my secret closet :D
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0760.jpg
Thats it. All up and running now. Tomorrow I will clone my mother again and fill up the propagator for back up clones and also for a friens who is soon starting a SoG of his own.
Puffzter
great job Puff!
so how was the smoke on the unknown strains?
good luck with the next run bro. im watching.
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Originally Posted by KingKronic420
Well the unknown was industrial grade hemp so all slaughtered.
Watch out for some seedbanks out there. ;)
The one I harvested was a White Widow clone and that is sweet smoke m8. Still got some left from my last harvest of same WW and in fact a lit joint of it right here as I type. :pimp:
Thanks for the good luck, I am quite sure this grow will be a nice one. Everything I can think of has been checked and tested the last 2 months so if I screw up now it's either force majeur or me loosing it totally.
I mean I just got what's gonna end up with 1½ ounce of a crappy half dead clone with root rot.
With the problems I had with that one taken care of it's gonna be a blast growing 16 in the same system. I just love seeing them grow.
This hobby rocks!
Puffzter
:rastasmoke:
Hi again.
It's looking pretty fine here now. All White Widows are develeping roots like mad, white as snow, and have started to veg.
The K2's became a bit of a problem though. Since I got them from a friend and he clones into dirtplugs that's what I got them in and those plugs fitted nicelly in my 2inch pots so I just put them in. However, having drenched dirt around the stems of the plants all the time in the aero system didn't make them very happy so I cut took them out, cut the fabric holding the plugs togethere and rinsed the dirt from the roots loosing some root tips but not too much. Then I put them back planted like the Widows, in leca only. Just use some coco on the top to block some light from reaching the roots.
All in all it looks great though and I am very excited over this grow.
20 clones are in the cloner as well so in 10-15 days I have a new batch and worst case I replace with one of them if the K2 or any other plant wont make it, would be a pity though to get one plant in out of sync with the others. It will have a hard time fighting for light by then.
Puffzter
Update with a few pics.
The K2's are in trouble. I did loose some root tips when I took them out of the jiffies (dirt plugs) but there were plenty still. They seem to have been stunned but I hope they will bounce back the coming days or they are toast.
For the rest it's going perfectly like I planned, roots developing fast, plans starting to veg etc.
I am running sprinklers 24/7 after having talked with a really good (and nice) grower who also use Amazon systems.
Humidifier is keeping air about 30-35%.
My motherplant has bounced back from the 36 clones I have been taken from it the last 4 weeks. Not bad for a bonzai I have to say. The clones in the cloner is about to root, a friend is gonna pick them up on thursday but I will keep a few as back up until I know I have 16 healthy plants in the Amazon.
That's it for now.
K2's are the 3 plants on the back left. Not very happy atm.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0770.jpg
Roots, very visible that the K2's are in trouble from under here.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0771.jpg
Mom, clone area
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0768.jpg
Puffzter
does that Amazon just start clones or does it go the distance, Puffzter? :hippy:
Hey Shov :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shovelhandle
No it goes the distance, its a flowering system. Just harvested 238g wet (45g dried) from one pH damaged clone with root rot in the system in a 2" pot. :P It was a testrun checking for the limits in temperatures and pH for the roots in a system like this.
It's quite commonly used in the UK but more and more in rest of Europe, I am from Sweden but ordered the system from UK after having seen a lot of logs poping up using them on European forums. It fits perfectly in my tent also but I did have problems in the first run. Roots need to be cool, pH bounces around a lot also before you learn to keep it steady. Now I know all this and therefor I have big hopes for this.
The 3 clones you see on the pictures that havent rooted were rooted a few days ago but I got them from a friend and in jiffies (soil plugs) and that was no good in an aero system since the stem was constantly in contact with wet soil so I had to try to get them out of the jiffies but that cost some root tips and they still haven't bounced back from that.
If they don't very soon I will replace them with WW clones, I have 20 mor rooting as we speak in my aero cloner.
You can see that on one of the pictures above.
So, 4 plants isolated which will have to be changed.
3 K2s and that's a shame. They did not bounce back from being cut out of the jiffys. I thought that wouldn't be a problem at all. One WW also just started growing out of the blue, it started developing a healthy rootsystem and then stopped dead in it's tracks.
But I have clones ready to put in their place any day now so should be ok. Made a bit of an arena though. Put all 4 dieing plants in the middle and that's where the new clones will be, Should make for best light distribution for my situation.
Here you go.
Vegg
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0779.jpg
Roots
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0780.jpg
Puffzter
Plants are coming along nicelly and all that made it are vegging except one. It has a healthy white rootsystem but still keep growing seedling leaves rather than real, big vegg leaves like its sisters. All plants are from same motherplant.
Anyway, some rootporn. The plants in the middle are getting replaced as I get rooted clones to put in there. 2 to go.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0787.jpg
Puffzter
Last day vegg today.Got some new clones in at least but now I have to flip.Gonna be interesting to see how barely vegged clones are gonna compare to prevegged plants. Anyway, the biggest ones are closing in on 16 inches and look like beautiful plants. Others are not as vigourus but are gonna make it fine. This time it's all about getting through with stable pH and temperature at the roots. Normally I keep these numbers between 5.4-5.8 and temperature for the roots between 18-21 Celsius. (about normal roomtemperature)I also got in contact with another Swedish grower and got a lovelly Nirvana Papaya with proven genetics from him that is now a few hours under the HPS/day on it's way to become my second Bonzai mom.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0788.jpg
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0789.jpg
So tomorrow is day one 12/12.Puffzter
Did You receive my information sent to you??????????
Yes I saw it and there has to be easier ways for you to buy weed than trying to order it from Sweden man. In whatever case, find another Swede.
About the OP:
Plants are in their 2nd day of 12/12 now and looking fine.
I did fuck up slightly and left the sprinklers off for 90 minutes once a few days back and that did cause some mild root rot but the plants look normal and keep vegging so I'm not too worried about that at this point.
I am keeping a very close eye on all numbers concerning the enviroment this time around and it's keeping quite steady at:
Temperature: 27 deg Celsius (81F)
Root temperature: 19 deg Celsius (66F)
Humidity: 44%
pH: 5.5-5.8
ppm: 1000
Today I will change the water in the Amazon after lights on at 3pm Swedish time. Then I will start nuking them with flowering nutes at around 100% och the Hesi hydro Schedule. That will give me around 1200 ppm.
I will then do what I did in my coco-grow and up the ppm week by week until week 6 reaching about 1600-1800 ppm and after that slow it a bit again during week 7 and 8. I'll flush last 2-3 day, an aero doesn't need a long flush.
Harvest seems consistantly to be day 63 or very close to it for my genetics and enviroment.
Puffzter
Wow, I did not know that! It seems right, though. But is 2-3 days enough for the plant to dispose (or use might be a better word) all the nutrients it's been fed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffzter
that's a darn handy grow basin, Bub! Very space efficient then.
Yes they are fine after 3 days. In an aero 100% of the nute uptake stops the very second the water is changed and plants don't store nutes. In their normal enviroment the storage is the medium in which nute levels are relative constant so they don't need nor have capacity to store up on stuff like that for much more than a short period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by wannabreeder
You can see leaves starting to loose its color in 12 hours in an aero if you stave them. Coco and even more so soil needs to be flushed pure of nutes or as clear as possible before you actualy start starving the plants but you will bever be able to get them as "clean" as in a mediumless hudro/aero grow.
Yes the Amazon is an amazing system but needs a few tweaks mainly to keep the roots cool enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shovelhandle
Its about 30*30 inches and takes 4, 8, 16 or 32 plants depending on what lid you buy it with. I grow with a 16 plant lid.
Price is about US$250 so very cheap as well.
There is a double lid version measuring about 60*30 inches also.
Puffzter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffzter
Well, that makes alot of sense! Now I regret I bought an NFT and not a aero, hehe. But I think I would have temperature issues in the water so I think I'll have to wait until I have another flowering chamber...
Well it's not all better. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wannabreeder
Temperature as you say is a biggie. I have ordered material to solve that once and for all now. At the moment it's ok but it's winter in Sweden now so cool air is easy to get hehe.
What I will do is hook up 2 big bubblers and one small bubbler to an airpump and run the small one in the cloner and the 2 large ones in the Amazon system. This will make it possible for me to feed the reservoirs cool air from floorlevel outside the growtent and that should take care of any problems with that except a month in the middle of the summer but I plan to run lights on during nighttime then so I think I'm in the clear now.
The other problem with an aero is that they are nervous. Whatever you do will hit the plants fast and hard so you better do it right.
The benefits are obvious. Plants vegg fast like mad and are easy to max out in bloom if you keep roots healthy and pay close attention to the meters and chemistry of the nutemix. :)
I am Frankenstein!
A drop here, some bubbles there. A bat wing and the head of a dead cat and they make sweet dope.
Some pictures.Everything is going as planned. Didn't manage to replace two slots in the system before I had to flip to 12/12 so I am running 14 plants. 2 of those 14 were replaced close to the flip so they have not vegged more than a tiny bit. Gonna be interesting to see what they will produce compared to same genetics properly vegged.I also got a beautiful clone of Papaya from a fellow grower together with a test smoke of it. Papaya is a sweet smelling and tasting indica that has great benefits for me as I also use MJ against a constant pain. This one numbed that out almost completelly. :)
pH 5.4-5.7
temp 27 (celsius)
humidity 35-45%
root temp 17.5-19.5 (celsius)
ppm : 1100
Pics:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l.../090307001.jpg
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l.../090307004.jpg
Clones in the aero-cloner.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l.../090307002.jpgMy
new Papaya, gonna be trained into a Bonzai mother.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l.../090307009.jpg
Puffzter
New small update.
Amazon with the widows.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l.../090311003.jpg
Bad pic of some flowers:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l.../090311004.jpg
Cloning area with WW mom closest, Papaya getting the Bonzai treatment to become a mother, propagator and some jiffies with clones in. All under a 125W CFL in a 2*2 area.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l.../090311005.jpg
Puffzter
An update please? :)