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That's why when YOU get sent to the frigid northlands, I'll still be sitting in a comfy chair reading a book. Because if we continue down this road, trying to protect an aggressive country, you WILL get sent there to "keep the peace". Coward? Maybe. Alive and still right? Oh yes, I'll take that, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
I would think I'm too old and worn-out to be much good fighting in another war, but, I'M WILLING TO GO FIGHT FOR MY COUNTRY, and the 'other guy' will be the 'scared one' ... OK, I'm done with ya, go crawl back under your bed ... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
I understand the big stink that Egypt made a long time ago trying to make the middle-east a "Nuke Free Zone", and there constant membership with the IAEA... Since 2004 They have been under investigation by the IAEA... I apologize if I pulled a pres. Bush by saying that, but i truely believe Egypt has nuclear weapons, They have one of the largest Nuclear programs in the area and have invested billions in "Dirty Bomb" Technology, if you look at egyptian defense spending they spent most in this area and radiation type "Dirty Bombs". I am in no way against Egypt and I dont believe they are a threat to the US but I could see why the Israelies have a Vendetta or are scared of them, look at the history between the 2 people.... Please dont take my statement as factual, that is just my personal and humble opinion in no way to demean egypt or its people.Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
Well i'm 26 and I'll make sure to fight in your stead! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
Rebgirl Georgia started the war and Russia finished it...What do u think America would do if Canada started shelling Detroit and sent troops in fuck America would go ballistic not only would America repell the Canadians you guys would take over our Capital and not give it back.....
Probably will have to blame the problems that John Mccain makes worse on john mccain if he's elected. He's certainly not going to make anything better..especially government spending and the national debt..Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Vote in 08 for john mccain for more of the same.:thumbsup:
well, maybe not for Detroit, ... you ever see Detroit ??? :S2:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
- (I said that, for xcrispi's benefit :jointsmile:)
You mean the way we did in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Japan, S. Korea, etc...? The U.N. considers these "provinces" as part of Georgia...not Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishman3811
Have a good one!:s4:
And we care what the U.N. thinks since.....when? Definitely not since 2003, that much I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Also, that doesn't give Georgia the right to slay 1,500 innocent Russians. But then civilian casualties don't mean much anymore either. Georgia has nothing on their side except for us in this matter, and that's BAD, because then we're defending unnecessary conflict and warmongering.
Well, at least we're not hypocrites! :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
LawlQuote:
Originally Posted by khronik
Not all of the 1,500 were Russian. Georgia chose to attempt to take back land with valuable resources. That's what war is about. It isn't about ethnic cleansing, that's the BS reason. Resources is the reason we went to Iraq, it's the reason Russia staked their claim to South Ossessia. Resources. Resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
It's in the US's best interest to defend Georgia. If Georgia secure those resources, we get a brokered a deal. Supporting Russia gains the US nothing.
Well Said.Quote:
Originally Posted by thcbongman
May I start by saying the Chavez is probably THE BEST political leaders in the world today.
America/Americanised Venezuelans (huge segregation between rich and poor) have already kidnapped him in an attempt to overthrow him. Guess how he came back?
The strength of the poor! The masses that he raised up into a political force for good.
This is a fact, for more on how American leaders dont care about anyone, watch 'The War on Democracy'.
The War On Democracy by John Pilger Great Documentary
The U.S government has over thrown many democratically elected Governments in Latin America...
I hate war, with a passion, never a need for it.
If Chavez wants to laugh at the leaders who tried to topple him from the greatly democratic seat and failed then fire ahead.
And hey, if the same guy he's laughing at killed thousands and thousands of his own men and even more abroad then more power to the GREAT guy.
Venezuela is a threat only because the hawkish American administration and their cronies in the media, whose entire philosophy is based on consumption and sycophancy respectively, want something he has dominion over: oil. End of story.
true. but we should look @ the trade off for what we gain and what lose if we stand behind georgia and against russia... its not all about what we gain in short term, u may find depletable resources and u may buy a lifelong enemy(ies sounds more realistic)Quote:
Originally Posted by thcbongman
all i think is that no resource in such a tiny area is worth another cold war or a real war for that matter for US taxpayers.
plus can some1 back up this claim that its about resources b4 we go any further in this subject cuz i couldnt come up with potential estimated worth of the resources we are talking about here...
i think this can explain the situation much better, i find it a credible source after reviewing the footnotes
Georgia and South Ossetia
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"The region of South Ossetia lies in the north central part of Georgia and is home to an ethnic group distinct from both the Georgians and Russians. When Georgia came under Soviet rule in 1923, the Soviet government granted South Ossetia the status of being the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast (SOAO) within the Soviet Republic of Georgia. At the same time, North Ossetia was left under the domain of Russia, thus splitting Ossetia into Northern and Southern regions. Therefore, since the break-up of the Soviet Union, the South Ossetians, have been attempting to gain independence since November 1989 when the SOAO Council sent a letter to the Georgian Supreme Soviet demanding to be unified with North Ossetia, mostly out of concern regarding Georgian nationalism and subsequent second class treatment. The Georgian leaders did not meet the demands of the South Ossetians and went so far as to ban all regional political parties in September 1990 during parliamentary elections. The Ossetians interpreted this as a move directly intended to weaken South Ossetian autonomy and power in the political system. Therefore, Soviet leaders approved of unification with North Ossetia, located in Russia, but Georgian leaders did not. This triggered a series of events which eventually led to violent conflict between the South Ossetians and Georgia. In September 1990, the Ossetians declared sovereingty under the USSR and in return, the Georgian government dissolved its recognition of the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast. In January 1992, a referendum was held in Tskhinvali, the regional capital of South Ossetia, with a clear majority of the people supporting South Ossetia's seccession from Georgia and joining Russia. The South Ossetian Supreme Council made these desires official after voting in favor of secession from Georgia to Russia on November 19, 1992."
Russia wins. Georgia attacked their benefactors with the intent of rebellion. They were swiftly crushed, as all revolutions must. It's the obligation of the people to rebel when things aren't going their way and the right of the government to stop them (if they can). I guess Georgia didn't want it as bad as we did. As far as I'm concerned, Georgia never had a chance and shouldn't get shit from anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingimam
I will cede the point however that we did get aid from France during our own revolution. But that was in their best interest because they hated Britain more than we did. However, we also hate Russia (whether we admit it or not publicly, we despise them politically) but I also believe there isn't nearly enough resources in Georgia to warrant an invasion. It's no Iraq, that's for sure.
People who think that they're getting anything out of wars for 'resources' are delusional. First off even if that were the case it's a morally reprehensible thing to do. If you support that than you're no different than a criminal who robs & kills people for a living. But actually wars for resources allow corporations to hoard control over the supply resources & boost the price. The war in Iraq is supposedly for oil & gas is 2-3 times higher than it was at the start of the war. Also the American economy is in the worst state it's been in in decades largely due to the hundreds of billions of dollars spent each year on the war. By design it's costing us money & only financially benefitting a select few: weapons manufacturers, oil companies, etc.
I find it strange that so many people at a cannabis forum have imperialistic views on foreign policy.