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Thanks for stoppin' in my log. :jointsmile: And yeah, it was a slight bummer.
But, it's happens and it's something you got to get used to. (slaying the pollen maker), that is. ;)
Are the brown spots spreading? Or is it clearing up?
And the one with both sexed flowers? What are ya gona do with that one? :stoned:
Sorry about the questions. Hehe, wake 'n :bigsmoke:
Have a good one McT. :jointsmile:
BeFree ~ I think the brown spots were just damage from getting beat up by the fixed fan I had in tent. That plant was directly in front of the fan. It is now living happily in the back yard. If anything, the spots are worse but now it is getting beat up by the wind.:)
The hermie is in the yard, too. He/she is sprouting lots of bud sites. I needed to clear out some space in the tent anyway as things were getting pretty crowded. If the hermie pollinates itself and the one with the spots, then I'll have some more seeds for the next grow.
So far they are both enjoying the "real" sunlight even though it's 110 degrees outside.:D
When life deals you lemons................ make lemonade!;)
Ah, okay. Thanks for the informative post. =)
Must be why a couple fan leaves in my grow box are showing some brown damage spots because I get stoned, let the lights go out and forget about the 24/0 fan in there. Hehe.
I'd like the pollen bud the trinode and get a batch of seeds with the chance of the same minor deformity. But I gots nowhere to finish him at.
No one talks about the sugar additives we put in the 'said' lemonade.:hippy:
Be Good McT.
:jointsmile:
Nice log McToker....the plants look great and the CFL light contraption you made looks awesome.....good luck....the grow looks to produce some dank.....i wish you sucess in the near future...
Thanks killa.
Just got done feeding the babies. It would appear that we have met the criteria for moving on to the flowering phase:
1) Most of the plants are at 1/2 the height we would like to end up with.
2) Lots of branches have alternating nodes.
3) Preflowers are starting to show. Second oldest sprout is a GIRL!!!:dance::clap::rastabanna:
I'll probably let them veg for a few more days until my new light hanger arrives. That way we can change out the bulbs and install the new hanger at the same time. Besides, it may give a few more plants a chance to show their sex.
thanks for the info, i hope your grow goes well and please enjoy that shit!!
YEAH! THATS GREAT LOOKIN'
If you go into flower with CFL's....haha, add more light. like more light near the bottom. I used a vanity light at the base of my plants for more light. it plumped the lowers up. I just finished harvesting. I know your trying to keep it relativly cheap, but even if you add some 60 watts or 20 watts at the bottom would be beneficial.
However, You have such a large homebox, you should be running a 400 watt. you can. If i had the space, and extra cash for electric bill ($90 a month by my est.) i would.
Thanks anbesol.
Any side or bottom lights will have to wait until I can thin out the number of plants to make room. We were going to wait to start flowering but now plan to make the switch today.
Today's plant inspection may cull out a couple more plants. We'll see. We could certainly use the room. Most of the babies are getting quite bushy.:)
Ultimately, I'd like to get it down to 3 or 4 plants. Time will tell.
Weird:( It would seem that an entire post from yesterday has vanished.
Oh well.......... Maybe tomorrow it will magically reappear.
In any case, here's a recap.
Couldn't wait any longer. Plants were getting too tall. We changed out to the 2700k bulbs and put the timer on 12/12. We already had to raise the lights twice in the last 24 hours. I don't know if it's the new spectrum or the 12 hours of dark or both, but the plants are loving it.
An empty long-neck box made for safe storage of the bulbs.
One plant showed severe signs of either heat stress or salt build up. I think it was salt so we flushed it using our handy dandy flush bucket.
Lookin' good, just like all the other times I stop by.:jointsmile:
You and the wife must have amazing green thumbs. Hehe. Also, the stretching completely normal when you start to flower. That means they are making the room for the buds to full out on the stems instead of getting too thick and not letting air flow. And you know that no air flow and moisture = mold. And bud rot is a true catastrophe. Take it easy McT.
Be Good:jointsmile:
Good vibes headed your way. :hippy:
i have a couple 400w hps bulbs and two air cooled hoods for sale if u want them.
Thanks for the kind words BeFree. As for the "green thumb", time will tell. We've just been figuring this out as we go. The folks on this site have really helped. We're finally at a stage where we are feeling really good about this grow and that would not have been possible without all the great info, advice and support available here.
Italian04 ~ Thanks but we'll stick it out with the CFL's.
Both of us are just amazed at how far we've gotten with non-specialty lighting. Neither of us would have thought it possible. We realize that by running an HPS we could get more yeild but we'll be happy just to get a nice little stash.
We don't require much. We're happy with one or two pinners a day. I guess that's one of the benefits of going without for long periods of time. The last 1/8 oz. bag lasted us about a month. I'm sure that will change as we build up our tolerances.;):jointsmile:;)
they R looking great.
Thanks hydro......
We got the other 3 gallon pot flushed today. No more plants have shown any preflowers yet. Hoping to have them sexed and dwindled down in another week. Next time we won't start so many beans.;)
Lights on temps are staying in the 78 to 81F range with lights off temps running 73 to 75F with just the exhaust fan running.
The pair banished outdoors are hanging in there.
We looked at Rubbermaid containers at Wally World today. We're toying with the idea of going that route for a mother plant so we can do some cloning in the future. It seems like a container the right size for one plant should be fairly easy to find a spot for.
So........... in case you see me slinking around the house with the stealth-o-meter, you'll know why.:D
We've got the kids and rest of the clan showing up for the Holidays so it has to be really sneaky like.
Couldn't wait any longer. Had to banish two more plants outdoors. They were seriously competing for room and light. Especially the freak. It's just busting out all over with new growth and really deserved to be in the center where light could easily reach all the way around the plant. It's like fighting through a jungle just to get a look at the nodes on the main cola.
So our indoor grow is down to five plants and another four are outdoors.
I guess we'll have our own little friendly competition to see whether indoors or outdoors ranks higher in production and potency.:jointsmile:
Wow very nice plants but, with 22 CFL's you can't go wrong :)
Nice work
JG
Thanks JG.
I couldn't resist snapping a couple pics of the freak before the lights go out for the night.
Yup,I know the leaf tips are curled. It's been doing that for weeks. For the most part they eventually straighten out.
Make sure you get side lighting on your plants, your cfl's wont penetrate far down the canopy, They look Great!Quote:
Originally Posted by McToker
Thanks for the compliment and the reminder anbesol. I was meaning to add the side lighting now that we have a bit more room.
Just stuck a couple more CFL's in using some old shop clamp lights. All I had were 6500k lights but figure they're better than nothing until I can pick up some more 2700k's.
The freak got a little bit of lamp burn this morning. Nothing too bad. When the lights kicked on this morning the canopy was about two inches higher than it was last night.
Had to tie down a couple colas to keep the freak even remotely in line with the other plants. All of the smaller pots are already propped up on stacked pieces of 2x4's to even get the canopy close to being even.
My new light hanger should be here tomorrow. That ought to make things a tad bit easer.
its ok if a bit of the leafs burn from the light. the lumens it absords are more crucial. but if bud gets burned thats a problem and can slow down more bud growth. but burnt leaf will not slow anything down. Amazon.com: Marijuana Buds for Less: Grow 8 oz. of Bud for Less Than $100: SeeMoreBuds: Books
Anbesol ~ I did a search on that title and found quite a few sections of the book and related material on-line. Made for some interesting reading. My wife is convinced that the more I learn about this the more new toys I need to buy.
That brings me to the reason for this post. The little woman gave the go-ahead to get an HPS light. I know, this was supposed to be a CFL grow. Well, it was a CFL veg......
We'll keep the CFL set-up for vegging but we are looking forward to more production from flowering with an HPS.
I'm looking at a 400 watt HPS/Cooltube Combo at HTG Supply. One question is: Is it worth the extra $40 for a digital ballast?
I figure I may need another fan to cool this light considering the problems I had with bends in the duct tubing.
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-up-night.html
As you can see, getting rid of the duct tubing with it's bends took care of my cooling issues. Right now I'm running a 500 CFM 8 inch in-line "booster" fan. I have another 4 inch booster fan out in the shop. I'm wondering if I were to set it up like this if I could spare myself the expense of another fan.
Carbon filter - 4 inch fan - flex duct - cooltube - flex duct - 8 inch fan
On another note; I crunched the numbers using Miss Stinkyattic's formula from one of her stickies and found that running the HPS is actually about $5 a month cheaper on the electric bill than my current set-up.
You can disregard this part. I just went back and re-read Rhizome's stickie on grow room set-up. I'll just bite the bullit and order a proper fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by McToker
The pic is of the hermie that we culled out and banished to the back yard. Sorry about the photo quality. Like most children, it just wouldn't sit still.:D
Beautiful pistels busting out all over!:) Looks like we'll get some bud and hopefully some seeds out of this venture after all.
The indoor plants are on Day 6 of flowering. Still no more signs of sex yet.
Tied down even more branches of the freak today.
We could use a bit of input on new lighting. We know a 250 watt HPS would be adequate for our area, just over 2 1/2 feet by 2 1/2 feet, with about 4000 to 4700 lumens per square foot depending on the bulb. But, would a 400 watter with about 7200 lumens work better for us.
For either we would be using an air-cooled hood or cooltube. Our biggest concerns with the 400 watt light is the distance we would be able to keep it from the plants and the extra heat. Our Homebox is only 63 inches tall.
Here's a little better pic of the hermie out in the yard.
Wish the ones indoors were showing flowers like that.
We woke up to a lot more preflowering activity on the indoor plants this morning. The one we knew was a female is showing even more pistels. WooHoo!!!:D
Three others show lots of preflower activity but for the life of me I just can't pin it down to male or female yet. Even with a 20x jeweler's loupe, I just can't tell. Guess we'll have to wait another day or two and see if the pistels show up.
I tried to snap a couple pics, up close, but the macro on my camera sucks.:(
On another note, after countless hours of reading through the forum, researching on-line and much cussing and discussing, we've put any plans for an HPS light on indefinite hold. By the time we get the setup we want and then upgrade the ventilation, it just doesn't seem all that enticing. At least we narrowed it down for the future. We only found one air cooled hood that would fit in our Homebox S. That's the Sunleaves Arctic sun. Even then, by the time we add 6 inch flex tubing off each end, it's a tight squeeze.
That all may just have to wait until I can figure out how to add a stealth grow room in my shop. I can't remember which forum member said it but this growing part is certainly addictive. Perhaps even more so than partaking.;)
:)Aloha fellow codgers:)Quote:
Originally Posted by McToker
Got :twocents::twocents:,for you. (inflation), :D
For bulk, heat, size, and results you might want to look at LEDs. for flowering.
The Procyon, for example, uses 125W and it works as well, if not better than a 400W HPS
Lots of info under "indoor-lighting.
Snstealth has three threads in the grow logs that show what LEDs can do.
They are still a bit pricey but will amortize in time depending on what you pay per KWH.
The initial retail cost is the only reason I don't own several of them.
The excellent results, lack of heat and safety was so irresistable that I opted to build my own.
If you "speak solder", take a look at "the perfect growlight thread" started by Physicsnole.
Been enjoying your posts.:)
Mahalo,
Weezard
Thanks Weezard.
Trust me; I read all of Snstealth's logs and the perfect grow light thread. Took me the better part of two days with all the side links.
I came to the same conclusion. The Procyon seems to be the way to go. I even bounced the argument off my better half, telling her that by the time we get a good digital ballast, an air cooled hood, a good bulb and then spend about that same amount to upgrade our ventilation system to accomodate the extra heat, we'd be darn close to the price of the Procyon.
Then, she had to go and spoil it by asking the price of the Procyon.:( The side of my head still hurts.
I initially thought going to an HPS would be fairly cheap when I saw some of the enticing prices on several vendor's websites. But, the more I looked into it, those "bargain priced" units didn't seem so hot. At least they were not what I was after for my situation.
From the rest of your thread that you've done plenty of homework:)Quote:
Originally Posted by McToker
My wife wouldn't bat an eye. She loves to buy stuff.:D
It was the folks from Anti-social In-security that yanked my chain.:(
And you've seen the builds.
Wish I could say "just DIY".:thumbsup:
I did.
The concept was just too :cool: not to play with.
Well, that might generate odd pains in the other side of your head.:D
Because, when the dust settled, it cost me almost $400 to DIY!:upsidedow
Not too unhappy about that though.
Here on the Island the electricity is mostly generated by burning oil. We pay one of the highest rates in the country and I don't see that getting any better in the future.
So, between that, and the cost of replacing HPS/MH/ bulbs every season, or the CFLs every 2 seasons...
Like you quoted, the growng can get to be more elevating than the smoking. So, god willing and the creek don't rise, I'll be way ahead of the money part in less than 3 years.
Also, getting better results than the Procyon grows, for less wattage was the deal maker for me.:):)
Sexing happened in 2 days of 12/12.
Got bigger, tighter buds, sooner than Snstealths grow, etc.
BUT, (and that's a big but.), I also switched to hydro for my second grow under LEDs and Whiskey Tango/ Dough Boy still grow in dirt.
When they switch to Hydro, or GITC, we'll have a grow-off.:D
65 is the new 70:D
Weezard
I'm just about to go dive into the DIY thread. Perhaps, if I'm lucky and if I bob and weave, she might not notice so much if I nickel and dime it. But anyway, I'll do some more reading and, yes, I do "speak solder".:)
Oh....... and Aloha. Our youngest is at Pearl. He's constantly griping about the prices of just about everything over there.
It's a sad day in McTokerville. We had to pull three males out of the Homebox tonight. The real heartbreaker is that one of them was the freak. I guess I was just in denial. I've been checking them all day long going back and forth from the illustrations in Cervantes' book to "What sex is it?" posts on the forum looking for any sign that I could be wrong.
But, there is some good news! The last to show any signs....... IS A GIRL!!! That still leaves us two girls indoors. There is also the bloomin' hermie outside along with three more unknowns.
Well, it does open up space in the Homebox so the girls don't have to compete for light.
Yup, you guessed it........ my glass is always half full.:D
Oh....... I almost forgot. Must be a senior moment. I found about a half dozen leaves that had apparently fallen off of the older female. I can't tell for sure but I'm guessing they were from low and inner branches. Doesn't look like they came from the canopy. The fallen leaves were still green.
I checked her with the moisture meter and she was dry. Somehow she must have missed the feeding yesterday. She took about 2 quarts before water started dribbling out the bottom.
HaHa. I'm hoping she was just 2 quarts low.:D
And before you ask; No, I'm not thaaaat old (senior moment comment). But the stuff they shoot me with for the big C sure makes me feel that way sometimes. Last shot in 2 months. WooHoo!!! At $3k a pop, I'll be glad when that's over.
Hey man, you two are doing a great job with the CFLs.
I'm lovin it. I started out with CFLs, had to talk my lady into letting me get a 400W HPS (which she did allow and I did get, lol) I DIY'd my own cool-tube, and so on & so forth. But I'm loving the story, and the plants looks great too.
Rock on :)
plants are looking good. hope they finish up well, can't wait to see the buds.
:jointsmile:
Thanks y'all. We can't wait to see the buds either. Been out since early July.
It has been one heck of a learning experience. It didn't realize that I actually new so little about the wonderful herb.
Hey, hope you're feeling well soon and we're glad you're enjoying your grow, we are. Thanks for sharing, McToke
Thanks Shovelhandle. We're having a blast with this. I'd been searching for a hobby I could do indoors for some time. Who knew?:D
Got to repot the smaller plant today. After that, we'll shoot some pics of the girls.
The wife is still trying to think of uses for the freak. Does seem like an awful lot of plant to just waste.
Hash.
Thought about it. Might consider one of the simple methods.Quote:
Originally Posted by anbesol
Is he frosty at all? If there's not a lot of THC trichomes on the leaves, you won't get much/very good hash...Quote:
Originally Posted by McToker
Some males do exhibit lots of trichs later on in flower, if you let him be for a while and see what happens trichome-wise that might be your best bet.
Sounds to me like he'd be a good plant to cross a female with, see if you can harness some of that vigor in some of his offspring!
Collect some pollen :) :rastasmoke:
dooobster ~ We are hoping to get feminized seeds from the bloomin' hermie that is out in the yard.
Too late for genetic experiments. The males are already hanging in the shop to dry. There were quite a few trichs when veiwing through a jeweler's loupe. We may experiment with one of the simpler methods for making hash.
As for collecting pollen, I'm already paranoid about contaminating our remaining females. I feel like we need "Clean Suits" just to go near the grow tent.:D Might have to put in one of those outdoor showers to hose off after looking at the hermie before we come back in the house.:D