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Hey man those girls are looking great...
We scandinavians got it going on LOL
Maybe with some discression could you point me in the direction of a good gardenschool in Skäne ?
Im trying to locate a few things as im trying to help someone out else take care of those girls and they sure will make you happy
Swegrow|Swedish Growsystems HB - Allt för Växthuset, Trädgården och hemmet
and
Nordic Grow Odlingsbutiken
Are both really good, have nice prices and deliver fast by mail. I have met the owners of both these shops as well as boughts stuff from them.
They are not in Skåne but these days distance is not a problem really. I highly reccomend these companies. Stay away from the grow tents at nordic though if u are not planning to start a plant concentration camp.
Puffzter
Just a small update.
2 Hindu Kush barelly germinated they are above the coco now and just might make it. The 2 pots with plastic over them will not. Still after many days germinating they haven't popped but I'll give them a chance for a few days anyway in coco before I throw them out. No chance they will make it though.
Got the seeds for free after he bought bulk from a cheap but worthless seedbank. Not a single Jack Herer poped and only 2 Hindu Kush. I REALLY hope one of them will be female and a good one at that.
WW's are looking great though. Not a spot on them perfect green and growing mad. Monday or tuesday is cloning day then a week later 12/12 starts and the Hindu Kushes go into the veg area together with the clones.
Here you:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/21be558e.jpg
Puffzter
So, the 2 HK seedlings will make it.
No Jack Herer out of the seeds are popping. Cheap shit!
WWs are 26-28cm(11inch) and are perfect, shooting out branches with tops in all directions. In a 7-10 days they will be shifted to 12/12 and tomorrow or the day after they will give me 2 clones each that hopefully make it even though I will apply crude cloning technique this first time to try to learn the basics of it before I build a bubbler for next batch.
Exciting times!
Puffz, your operation is growing incredibly well, my friend! I'm glad to see your WWs have not a single blemish and are growing like mad! Sorry to hear about the JH, but you have a couple of good HK, so all is not lost - and, they were free on top of that!
I look forward to seeing your thriving WW clones and pictures of your bubbler in the works. I hope all's well with you and yours, my friend! Be good out there!
Hi Jake.
Thanks for the kind words man. Really appreciate it.
Thes bitches can DRINK. Damn. I have to water them every 12-14 hours now and thats not cool. They thrive thats for sure and I am home always anyway but still. :P
Anyway, I ordered a 8 plant bubbler system today and a 25 plant germination/cloner. Perfect sizes for the spaces I have. The cloner leaves 1 inch in each rirection to spare in my clone area and the 8 bubbler pods is tailored for my tent.
Only problem will be to transplant from coco to bubbler, hehe. Don't hate me for trying. Gonna be real interesting to see if they freak out.
Watering is getting too much now though especially since I am in a wheelchair. Bubblers will ease the work load a bit.
Good to hear the ladies are doing great. At least smashing out on the water and nutes. =D
Was curious if you have bong or hooka attachments to your ride? =D
BeSafe. :jointsmile:
So I took 2 clones each from the 5 ladies last night and they don't look well. I need a few fast short roots to keep them alive while new roots develop. I hope at least a few make it so I can secure my WWs for the future. The 5 WWs are almost uniform in height now. The topped one is catching up again and they are all between 33 and 36 cm.
Here are two pictures to show the amazing growth. I repost a picture exactly 10 days old and follow up with one from today.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0427.jpg
Today:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/e150fbde.jpg
Puffzter
Looking very NICE!!!!
I just went to flower 2 days ago and yours also look about ready. Keep in mind hight restrictions. When you go to flower they will tripple in hight in the next 4 weeks.
Other than that you look to have some very healthy MJ plants that will make you a proud grower in about 10 weeks.
JG
Ye I am worried about it too but have to push it as far as possible because of my late bubblers. However I got word today that they get shipped tomorrow probably so I will probably shift them to 12/12 either now or tomorrow night. Then transplant them on friday or monday when I have the equipment. They are growing 2-3cm/day now. That will bake them 20 inch in a couple of days and that is too much. Hell I'm going to shift them right now. 3am-3pm dark from now on.
These are monsters that will grow you out of your house in no time so beware of them. :D
Flowering cycle starts in 30 minutes. Gogo.
Good luck to us both Jerry. hehe
Puffzter
Ok so I flipped them now and they are in their first 12h night right now. Dark hours will be 3am-3pm as I will always be awake when the light is on in the tent then.
Below is a link to the detailed information spreadsheet about EVERYTHING done to the plants and how they reacted to it.
Light, nutes, watering schedule, temp, humidity, growth, impressions etc. All day by day. Might be good help for some new grower. I will keep on posting an update every week all the way to harvest natrually. This one stretches from seeds were germinated until 12/12. Tell me what you think about it if u download it and if you feel additional information is needed or something like that.
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Puffzter
NOW THE FUN STARTS
AHHHHH,
I always loved this day when you flip over the lights. Now all you do is water them, feed them, and just sit back and watch those wonderful flowers appear and see all that tender loving care you have given them pay off:)
JG
Ye hehe. First time for me.
I will miss to be able to check in on them whenever I want though. I spent a LOT of time with my plants up until now. Hours every day. Studying them, fixing some minor thing. Helping a branch get a bit extra light etc. I am sold. This is so much fun.
There is natrually some work still to be done natrually especially since I will have to transplant them out of the coco in a few days. Clean the roots and get them into net pots and into the bubblers will be delicate work I am sure. Especially since I need to do it without freaking them out too much. Exciting exciting.
Gonna be nice to grow paralell with u Jerry.
Puffzter
So, 3rd day in 12/12 today and growth is just explosive since a week. Been good all the time but now the are almost on 1½ inch a day. Hope it slows down soon. At least a bit. :eek:
My bubblers and cloner got shipped yesterday from the UK and should be here in the beginning of next week.
Picture from today. (camera sucks but its all I've got)
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/1f872667.jpg
Puffzter
Hello.
This is maybe gonna be a little bit too close between photos of my plants but I had them out one by one today to get rid of some lower leaves and generally check them over so I also took a photo of them one by one.
Plant 1 (37 days 5th day 12/12):
This is a plant that is turning out beautifully. I didn't like this one very much before because of it growing asymetrical leaves sometimes without sawpattern on some leaves. Leaves always had a strange sandpaper feel to them also that the others never had.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0445.jpg
Plant 2:
Together with 3 and 5 a possible mother (took clones from all 5 to decide later) for my future crops of WW. Good growth and close between nodes on the stem.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0443.jpg
Plant 3:
Basically same as 2.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0442.jpg
Plant 4:
The stretchiest one. It fucking shoots upwards. Light as close to it as the others it just likes hight. Far between nodes on the stem and frankly a bit scary plant to grow indoors.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0444.jpg
Plant 5:
Beautiful specimen. It is the only one I did something to. It was FIMed earlier and have grown multiple stems. I wanted to see what this technique would do to a plant so I only did it to one.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0441.jpg
That's it folks.
They might look a bit skinnier than they actually are in the pics, in real they are all pretty sturdy bushes. It surprised me a bit when I watched the photos.
Still not a spot on any leave on any plant.
Puffzter
I don't know about coir, but for soil I'd say your plants would enjoy larger pots.
g/l
Shovel
Well they are not easilly rootbound in coco but they can be and mine are getting close to it. There are many people that grew high yielding plants in handwatered coco from seed to harvest in 2 gallon pots and even smaller. Basically coco growing is hydro. No nutes what so ever comes from the medium.
These is they will be transplanted into bubblers tomorrow or the day after when they arrive. They were shipped from england on friday so should be here tomorrow normally.
Puffzter
Cool. I was thinking about growing in coir. I'm just starting some non-feminized WW seeds in vermiculite/perlite cups. Then I'm gonna transplant into hempy buckets.
Do you use hydro nutes in your coir?
1, GF
I am using HESI Coco line. Its a package containing everythging needed from seed through veg and flower phases when growing in Coco. With it comes a card that looks like this:
http://www.hesi.nl/english/objects/s...ch_coco_en.jpg
Already from seed is above ground 4-5 days or clone has started to root you can start to nuke them at 60-80% of that and a week later 100% and then 150% last two weeks of veg (if grown from seed, clones you can hit with 150% after 10 days or so).
In flower you start off with 100% and a week later 150% for a few weeks then 175 until time to flush.
That gives u about: 350->600->1000->1200-1500 ppm
Growth equals any hydro system but is very watering intense if u handwater. Coco should never dry out so from 3 weeks and in u need to water every 12-18 hours if u dont use top feed or something like that.
Puffzter
hey bro nice grow. well done log too. cant wait to see them flowering! i also like how your FIM experiment turned out. i might give it a whack sometime. and good luck with the bubblers. would be interesting to know what kind your getting.
hmmm... coco....:stoned:
Thanks for the visit m8.
Ys I think the FIM was a success indeed and the plant did'nt spread out as much as I feared so if that plant yeilds well I will do this to all in the future. It dont stretch as much as the others and is still not much wider. When the bubblers are installed I will have a constant 8 plants in flower on 1meter square lit with one 600W light and it is becoming very obvious I need an even canopy for that.
Bubblers have not arrived yet today so I really hope they will be here tomorrow. They all showed sex today and all are ladies as they should be from feminized seeds so now all I need is to get those damn bubblers and figure out how the hell I am gonna transplant them out of the coco into those.
Puffzter
Thanks a mil for the pix; your camera does a great job-surely the operator. And it does great compared to the one I haven't bought yet!!!
SO ENJOY the pix and learning! That FIM'd one looks really nice and healthy!
Looking forward to seeing the bubblers and hope they get there asap!!! pr:hippy:
The girls look great Puff! You definately have not only the research done but you have a talent for growing as well. Just my opinion, but at this point trying to change the grow medium might stress them out, I would play it safe and maybe just transplant those to bigger pots with coir then put your clones in the bubbler? Too much stress and they might go hermi, especially in feminized seed. Out of curiosity what brand of nutes you using? Also some plants take to trimming better than others, I always research the phenotype for single stem traits, as an example low growing Indica won't produce as much with the pinch. Best wishes on an abundant harvest :jointsmile:
Hi Pufster--say, can u or have you checked out using co-poly in soil to keep it moist? I used it in my yard and a few trees. Mine is the size of rock salt and when I water they get about the size of a quarter and then slowly the water leaches back into the soil.
found it real pricie though. So, I got a 50# sack through Target Distributions in San Diego. Have to check and make sure it is the consumption type (read it in a tread somewhere and 2 lazy to go check my stash). Lasts a long time and did help with what I used it for. The 50# sack cost what I was paying for about 4 #'s! So, use it on everything!
Again, thank you for your kindness in sharing and teaching! I much appreciate it all and the extra time it takes you to put into this for all of us! pr:thumbsup:
Trinity:
Yes I know and my plan was to transplant into 3½ gallon pots, I already have them ready here but...
I am convinced I can do the transplant. It will be a stressfactor surelly but with lots of care taken combined with fast working and getting the ppm and pH levels exactly the same as they had in the coco to start with I would be surprised if they go hermi on my ass. If one or two does so be it and lesson will be learned from it. I have clones ready to go in that case. And this first grow is for one purpouse only. Learn as much as possible about MJ growing so I rather test the limits now than later.
I have spoken with two growers that both have done the same transplant, one from soil and one from coco by cleaning the roots and getting them into DWCs mid grow. Both got a few days growth stun but after that no problems. Natrually I will not push it if the first transplant turns out more problematic than I hoped but I will try on at least one. I don't stand or fall with these plants.
Pain:
Are that some sort of spungy things?
You see one factor with coco is buildup of salts and that's why you cant let coco dry out as the medium very fast builds up salts then. My concern with using stuff like that is that it might make this process faster. Flushing soil is normally no problems at all but flushing coco to get rid of salts or what have you drains the medium of all nutrients and the plants are left with nothing until levels are built up again. That is why coco is watered to a runoff of 10-20% at every watering. You water with nutes and to put it simple the first 20% of what you water flushes the salts out while keeping the nute level in the medium, the following 80% is what stays in the medium for the plants to feed off.
If you water slowly like these things sounds like they are doing you don't get that clensing I fear and might screw up the balance in the medium causing you to have to flush and then build up the balance again.
In coco you can not overwater and root rot is basically impossible to get but you can easilly underwater. Total oposite from soil where overwatering is always a risk but underwatering is generally not a risk to the plants.
Puffzter
Again, I can only speak about soil but plants LOVE to be transplanted into larger pots. I've not had any stress or stunt when I do this.
Yoour grow and log are great. Best of luck on the harvest! :thumbsup:
That's not what I am gonna do Shovel.
I will get them out of their pots. clean the roots from all coco and put them in net pots in a bubbler. Quite an operation but after having found 2 growers that have done it on a few occasions I think it will be doable.
Anyway I will start with just one and see. If it is too much of a risk to the plants I wont go on. If it works out it would be great though. These babies can't be left alone for more than 20 hours now.
Puffzter
Puffster; Thank you so much: Yep, they do become spongy. Look & feel like rock salt, but swell with water to about the diameter of about a quarter. Feeds too slow I bet. But, it would keep the roots wet. But, as you figured out, it will hold the nutes and most likely some salt. I guess it would be something you mite consider if you had a nice grow and a family emergency came up. You have to leave town and resort to whatever you can to keep them wet and hope for the best. Under your care with diligent hard work, it isn't even a consideration.
Thanks for the education though, I really appreciate it a great deal. I understand your grow a lot more now!! Sounds like way too much work for me. But, am anxious for bubbler pix and set-up! Not gonna rule anything out. The girls look so nice!
Hell, I wish I had football field sized greenhouse! Would have every 420 person there and a big learn fest! :rastasmoke:
sorry to confuse. mi meant to answer trinity's concern about transplanting. I now see that trinity was refering to the change of medium..oops. I know you were going to bubbler system. good luck!
Shov: I do not think you offended--you taught us all something! The honor of having you visit a log with a comment is a pleasure! Particular for those of us students! Which I do hope is a good reason for this site! I know when I see you've been to a site, I will learn--even MORE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shovelhandle
I am grateful to have the privilege to learn on this thread and others! Certainly,this one has a lot of new ideas, etc. to pull from when in need of knowledge! pr :hippy:
Just a fast update.
I will add photos later today or maybe tomorrow.
Bubblers are still not here so they stand in the coco pots still.
Growth haven't slowed down yet and is INSANELLY fast. Plant 5, my stretchiest one, will certainly become too tall before harvest if it continiue like this for too long.
All plants super healthy and have started to flower. If all goes as well as up to now this will be a huge success I am sure.
Have a look at my log for detailed information by clicking the link below. Excel needed. I still want some input concerning these excel logs from you that have downloaded them.
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My 2 Hindu Kush seeds that germinated are looking well as well and are developing their 4th set of leaves as we speak. The clones from the WWs are still rooting and havent started vegetative growth. 2 out of 10 died. The remaining 8 look fine and I am expecting over ground growth to start any day now.
Cheers
Puffzter
No Excel. But, enjoy the rest anyway. Kinda sad, would love to read the excel! pr
I'll start with a correction of my last post. It's plant 4 that is the stretchy one not 5. ;) Not that it will matter to most of you but I handle information with a lot of care hehe. My Excel detailed log is updated in my last post, have a look at it and give me some input plx.
Anyway, here are the pictures I promised. They are from day 10 of 12/12. Day 42 since they broke ground. Pictures are bad as usual thanks to a combination of a $100 camera and a bad operator.
Group picture. Say Cheeeese:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0446.jpg
Top just starting to flower, plant 5:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0447.jpg
Main top of Plant 4 the Eifeltower to be:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/DSCI0451.jpg
Enjoy
Puffzter
Hy Wht's Up???,,,,,,,,,,They Look Nice & Perky!!!!Keep Up The Good Work!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,Later,,,My Brother!!!:smokin::smokin::smokin:
Puffz, I can't add a dang thing to your spreadsheet. There is no doubt it is extremely detailed. I am extremely detailed at work, but my home life, and growing techniques, are far from detailed. My growing techniques are probably far from detailed because they are outdoors - not much luck in controlling the details outdoors, eh? I sincerely appreciate you sharing all of your details though. As I have said for awhile now, I need to begin planning an indoor setup, and following your detailed analyses will certainly be of great assistance.
As for your ladies - what can I say? They are outstanding. I am stunned by the bud development on them. And, WW#5 is WICKED! I became a big fan of lst'ing on my first grow, and it has certainly made a difference on your grow - not that your other ladies are wicked stepsisters or anything - they are all Cinderellas in my book.
I can't wait to see your bubbler setup, and see how your conversion goes. I wish you much success, and am happy to see you and all of your ladies doing great! Take good care out there, my friend!
Hatch:
Thanks man, really glad everytime I see someone following the log and posting. Love the support.
Jake:
Ye it is going well here. Don't understand why my bubblers are so late though. They were shipped from England friday 10 days ago and normally from england I get stuff in 4-6 days. Really really hope they show up today or tomorrow. :(
And plant 5 has become one of my two top choices at the moment for a future mother, have 2 clones from each of them and one of those clones will become the mother of my future WW's. I will decide when I know how everything goes all the way.
Thanks for the input concerning the spreadsheet as well. I actually think I have close to a finished template by now that I can keep using time after time after time in the future as well as getting valuable historic information when planning new grows.
Anyone that want to use this sheet feel free to do so I find it an easy way to keep track of my plants and what I do to them as well as how they react to it.
Puffzter
Made a no no before lights out in the early AM's.
My problem plant #4 is now 7 inches taller than the next plant and 10 taller than the other 3 so I lst's it a bit but sitting in a wheelchair and having to reach far into the flower room I slipped and didn't break it but gave it a nasty bend with some stem damage 8 inches from the top.
It is tied up now during lights out and in an hour I can see how it seems. I hope it will be ok. Would be nasty to loose the top cola of a plant that is gonna yeild very well.
Thing is this plant is growing 1-2 inches a day since 1½ weeks so It has to be stopped or at least slowed down a bit. Let's hope for the best.
Meanwhile I am also training a bit on my rolling technique, always been bad at that but now my cones are starting to become quite good finally.
:P
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/d0ee6fc3.jpg
Puffzter
nicely done! wish i could sample. hope your plants are alright. hindu kush sounds tasty. i smoked some weed that was "supposed " to be hindu kush once, (from a reputable dealer,) and i liked it. it was very original. not to piney, not really sweet, definetly earthy. classic. i wannna get some from nirvana. theyre HK strain seems to sell pretty well. anyway cant wait to see some pics! and have your bubblers arrived yet? the coco looks to be working pretty well for now.
Yeah the coco is working great. Never seen anything grow this fast and healthy in my life.
I would like to ease the workload a bit though so my late assed bubblers has to come soon. Can't understand what is holding them up. :(
Light is on again in flower room and plant 4 has grown just fine tonight but it still wont hold itself up without string, I hope it will mend.
Anyone else that snapped a stem a few weeks into bloom and seen it mend up enough to get strength to make it on itself?
It has the damage on the inside in the direction it fell over but the outside and the sides are fine and it does transport water/nutes to the top without any problems it seems.
Puffzter