nevermind... this thread could regain some purpose. I retract my previous sarcastic statement. :thumbsup:
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nevermind... this thread could regain some purpose. I retract my previous sarcastic statement. :thumbsup:
First of all, neither coffee grains, nor pepper, nor *anything* prevents a dog from smelling weed. Dogs have superhuman smell... literally. They smell every ingredient in vegetable soup, where we humans smell the conglomeration of all the ingredients mixed together. That is why dogs are used instead of cops sniffing around themselves. There have been dogs that have smelled marijuana through a gas tank and gasoline and many layers of hard core plastic wrap and tape. If you let the weed sit in one spot long enough, the odor will permeate through any liquid, metal, or material. Watch the video "never get busted again" and you'll see records of this.
Secondly, odor permeates anything... but it does so over time. If you put tuna fish in a fresh ziplock bag (and make sure to use rubber gloves so you don't get *any* residue on the outside of the bag when sealing it) you will not smell it through the bag right away. But after a half hour or so you would be able to smell it through the bag. Odor permeates practically all materials over time.
The best thing to do if you want to drive with marijuana is to get rubber gloves and layer the weed in several layers of plastic, using the gloves to touch the bud and your uncontaminated hands to touch everything else (the bag seals, etc.). Then take the wrapped bud and put it in a thick nalgene bottle sealed as tight as you possibly can. I would think that would keep a dog from smelling it for a little bit. Then hide that thing in your bag or whatever.
If you do end up getting searched, and the weed is found in your bag, then your friend will not get in trouble as long as you speak up and claim the weed is yours. In order to get hit with "constructive possession" your friend has to be aware the weed was there and have the ability to legally go get it. Legally he can't go into your bag, so he'd be all good. Just don't put the weed in his spare tire or something... because then he might get hit with possession if they don't believe you that you put it there without his knowledge.
Check this out.
Breston (pictured police dog) uncovered a shipment of marijuana in heat-sealed Mylar bags, inside plastic-lined crates sealed with foam sealant, inside a closed storage garage.
Howstuffworks "How Police Dogs Work"
Damn! But then again, they say a dog's sense of smell is like 1000x greater then ours... so there ya go. The cops just train them so that they get a treat or a reward whenever they can point to a specific location where they smell it from.
I should train my dog to do that. That way instead of trying to find a dealer I could just take the pooch for a walk and whenever he alerts on someone just be like, "what's up man... got a quarter?"
oh man.. I wouldn't want to be involved in the trouble that would arise out of that confrontation!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jsn9333
lol.. all the dealers I know are pretty rough, with the occassional hippy cool people.
even though this thread is very old, why hasn't anyone, especially the oldtimers, had anything to say about the lack of integrity here.Quote:
Originally Posted by hand
if one of my friends were to carry, in my car, without my knowledge, even if we didn't get busted, if i found out about it, that would end our friendship. if we got busted, when i got out, i'd bust his effing head.
there are many ways to stash your weed but this thread isn't the place to discuss them but rather, this guy should have been advised to NOT do it.
anyway, that's what i think for what it's worth
bozo,
peace, love, dope
I agree he shouldn't do it. And that has been said in this thread... and he has been told how to do it another way (the mail). I should have made that clear... I totally agree he should not do it.
What I've tried to do is to answer his original question, nonetheless. If he were to do it, then how could he do it without risking getting his friend in legal trouble? The legal answer is, "try to dog proof it as best as possible and keep it in your bag. Then, if busted, claim it as your bag and your weed, and acknowledge your friend knew nothing of it... and he won't be busted with you."
What I was taught in criminal law in law school is that doing that will eliminate the possibility of his friend being charged with a crime... even though it is his car.
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Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
but, if you went to law school, didn't you have any classes in ethics\ integrity?Quote:
Originally Posted by jsn9333
i mean, come on man, advising someone on safe ways to lie and sneak about isn't appropriate here. IF it was HIS car then yeah, give advice on how to travel safely. i just think advising someone to lie to a friend is bullshit
I just don't see anything unethical about answering his question. I'll say again, I do not advise him to do it... he should use the mail instead. I should've said that right off the bat. I apologize for that coming across the wrong way. I was just focussed too narrowly on the legal aspect of his question.
But as far as the question... if anything I think it is quite ethical to answer the question. In fact, that is what free speech is all about... talking about things we don't necessarily like to talk about or approve of. The fact that our constitution allows us to talk about drugs whose use is a federal crime here is a testimony to the benefit that comes from the ability to frankly discuss topics that society views as bad (and the criminal laws against marijuana , federally and in most states, mean the society views it as bad).
It would be disrespectful for him to do what he was asking about. Whether it would be unethical I do not know. If he does it right, his friend faces no risk of criminal charges. As far as ethics, I think the police would be the only unethical people in that situation. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think it would be a "sin" (morally) to hide the weed from his friend if he did it in such a way as to completely guard his friend against any criminal liability. I do think it is a bit disrespectful though... it shows a lack of trust and would probably upset his friend very much if he found out.
I don't see it as a "lie" unless his friend asks him about it. I mean, if I use a radar gun to be able to drive 10mph over, but drop down to the speed limit when it signals a police radar, am I "lying"? Not really. I mean, "lie" has a definition... and that just isn't it. I'm being sneaky, and I'm trying to avoid a confrontation... but I'm not "lying".
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Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
I didn't say anything because the thread is so old. The way I see it the person who originally posted this has already done whatever was done and there is no point in berating them over it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
Instead I chose to see this as an oppurtunity to have people educate themselves on how to drive while in posession intelligently.
It's illegal, and not the smartest thing to do... but it's just about impossible to not do it at one point or another (I transport from my dealers place to mine... no smoking or anything of the sort and I have very good hiding spots).
So instead of turning this thread into something negative I was hoping people could turn it around and share their positive expierences.
That's why I retracted my sarcastic remark.
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Originally Posted by jsn9333
i guess the term 'lie by omission' doesn't ring a bell?
i don't know man, it wasn't my intention to start an argument, especially in a thread that, as daihashi points out, is ancient history.
what happened in that situation happened long ago, the point is, NO-ONE advised him not to do it, just how to 'get away with it'.
to me that is something fundamentally wrong. SOMEONE should promote a high moral stance (no pun intended, lol).
i don't know man, i'm no expert, i'm just a middle aged parent with children that i watch as they grow and that's the kind of shit they're exposed to EVERYWHERE.
some things are just wrong and, in my book at least, lying to a friend is one of them. lying is never something we should take lightly (i DO lie, to officialdom about my cannabis use as an example), and ADVISING someone to lie is something, well, i don't want to belabor the point but, to me they're the same, morally.
bozo,
peace, love, dope
Let's assume you don't grow and you must get your cannabis from a dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
How do you transport it? Everyone has to be able to get it home some how; assuming they do not have their own grow going.
This is basically the question he answered, and JSN is right. If the passenger doesn't know and it's not in his possession then he will not be held liable.
Perhaps the people that should be getting questioned are all the other posters who replied to him before this thread was revived from the dead.
I am over a number of people in my place of work. I constantly with hold information from them in order to protect them and keep them safe. If they don't know the answer to something then they cannot be held liable. This same principle holds true in this situation.
Now the best thing to do would be just not to drive with it, but I don't believe Jsn ever advocated lying to his friend. He told him to not tell him. There is a difference.
I got pulled over once.. and got caught with possession. My friend, she knew I had it. I told her to lie to the cop and say she didn't know anything about it. It was in a bag in my trunk and the cop had searched the car (he also had a warrant for my arrest for traffic tickets). Since it was in my bag and she denied knowing about it, all the charges were placed on me. Which I later got dropped.
Now in retrospect I honestly wish she truely didn't know. If the police had known she was lying she would've been in even bigger trouble (ie finding out from her looking nervous or something since she did know). Reflecting back, being in the dark probably would've been better for *her*.
Sometimes what is Moral is not always best for legality or for the protection of you and your friends.
is this guy really suggesting sealing weed in wax and submerging it in ammonia simply for a car-trip?
wow.
if the smell does not go through liquids, wouldn't this work?
put the weed in a ziplock bag, wrap some paper towels around it, and put it in another ziplock bag with water in it.
*NEVER* drive while under the influence, or toke while driving. It will put you and others at risk. This site is a medical marijuana site and does not condone illegal behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUNKYRHINO
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and put it in another ziplock bag with water in it.
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water and gasoline
might work
just put it in a glass jar in the trunk and be done with it. If your not driving "cop candy" and your not doing anything stoopid, then its not a problem.
You all wanna watch this:
YouTube - Never Ever Get Busted By The Cops!
wow, thats a lot of work. Does it work.Quote:
Originally Posted by harmonicminor
has anyone used turkey basting bags? Ive used them on pounds before and I couldnt smell anything! but im not a dog.
I wont be as hash to say "stay home with mommy" but he has a valid point. If you cant act as if you have nothing in the car....dont bother. If you cant get your head straight....dont bother. acting as if is the single most important trait when talking with a cop. Remember in blow when johny depp has a line about taking coke across the boarder....one most project themselves to a different place. Ive done far more insane things than crossin a state line with an oz. before... i never act like a stoner. I never look like a stoner. I am not a stoner. Works for me.
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I couldnt smell anything! but im not a dog.
lmfao ))))
oh hydrizzles avatar is gross !
:jointsmile:
Remember that whwnever a cop asks you to get out of the car. MAke sure you open the door, make sure all windows are rolled up, and lock your doors before getting out of the car. It will make it more difficult for them to pull an unlawfull search and seizure on you. I ahve done this before, I was pulled over for speeding, The officer(s) asked if they could search my car, I declined, they asked me to step out of the car, (my windows were already up) I locked all the doors along with my keys inside the car (i was close to home). I had nothing but my cellphone and wallet in my pocket. I waited around for 10 minutes while they were telling me they were getting a warrent, they came back told me i was free to go and left me there with my keys locked in my car. I had prodcut well hidden also next to my speaker inside the door console vacuum packed. I got lucky.
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I got lucky
yep the Gods were on your side
Wow you're a fuckin prick.Quote:
Originally Posted by gronnh20
Well,
Keep it out of sight then decline any request for a search. Take your ticket then keep rolling. If your going to be riding dirty walk around your car for a blow lights or any think that could get you stopped. Then drive within the law. But what do I know?
Loco
I have a waterproof box with huge magnets that I put underneath my car. I feel totally at ease driving now as I know no cop is going to get down on his knees and look underneath my car. It's black so they might not notice it anyway. I got it at Secret Safes
~shiva
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Originally Posted by hand
You would be safer from prosecution if you kept your stash in a locked box in your trunk. Not all cops are big fat coffee swillin donut eaters as you seem to envision and are more than willing to get down and dirty in order to make a bust from evidence obtained from an area of your vehicle that doesn't require a search warrant.Quote:
Originally Posted by shiva333
don't drive "cop candy" in the first place, get a hair cut, wear decent clothes, clean out the car, turn down the tunes, wash it once in a while, ditch the welfare rims, and follow the rules of the road.........in other words,
DON'T PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION WHERE SOMEBODY HAS TO *DO* SOMETHING IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
How hard is that??
The "average joe" never gets pulled over or hassled by the cops..... only stoopid kids and idiots do.
Before anybody gets their panties in a wad, I have not been pulled over in almost 30 years.
my 2 cents
Frankly I think it is bullsh!t that people have to worry about being stopped because they are young and/or have long hair and such. I know it is what it is, humans being human kinda crap- but it still doesn't make it right. Falls in the same category as being stopped because of your race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
We shouldn't be justifying this kind of crap. We should be firing the cops who do it.
You can play the odds all you want.... but.....its a fact of life. Think about the folks that get busted all the time.... If you don't look like or behave like them, you have decreased your chances of getting stopped 1000 fold.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
You can call it profiling if you like. Like I said.... don't put yourself in a position where somebody has to *DO* something about it in the first place.
Blend in and you won't be singled out.... or does that make too much sense??
Sounds more like being a good little brown shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
brown shirt has nothing to do with it, its about not wearing a shirt with a TARGET on it. Maybe once you get some age and experience behind you, you'll decide that its not worth the money or hassle to play your little game.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
I'm a retired police officer in my fifties, genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
I'm a retired coastie in my 50s genius.... with a little common sense. if your truley a retired police officer, as you say.... then help point the rest of the kids in the right direction. You can be part of the solution, or you can be part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
I don't deny the dangers or suggest anyone should ignore them. Just suggesting that your tactic revolves around conformity and necessitates full compliance, at least on the surface, with the bigotries of the majority. Mine doesn't. Iā??ve survived fairly well up to this point. Yes I really am what I've stated I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
You live the way you want and I'll live the way I want. I just donā??t appreciate folks like you telling folks like me how to live and accusing us of being somehow lesser people for not living in a paranoid little bubble like you.
I've been a stoner since the age of 12, how about you? Are you happy being a good little brown shirt and encouraging others to do the same???
Your path is not the one all must follow.
Phooey on you mate!!!
Oh, and by the way... As a patrol officer I frequently scored many of my bigger busts by looking closer at those good little boys and girls trying to project brown shirts.
In fact I BET YOU HAVE A BIGGER RAP SHEET THAN ME, mister little brown shirt. Hmmmmm, why could that be???
Like I have told you before, you can do what you want. I live in a small rural community in the south Mississippi bible belt. Maybe it sounds extreme to you, but none the less, I have never been busted because I don't put myself in a position where somebody has to *do* something about it. If I lived in the Peoples Republic of Berekely, I might have a different viewpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
A little conformity in public is not a bad thing if it keeps you out of jail and gives you better employment opportunities.
OTOH, if my advice keeps one kid from being busted for weed, then it has served its purpose. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business..... its when it gets flaunted in public that gets folks into trouble.
BTW, I have been a stoner for many years also....except for about a 15 year stretch while I was in the Coast Guard after they started doing drug screenings.
A little common sense goes a long way.
I live far from Berkeley, my friend but still within what I'm sure you'd refer to as the "Peoples Republic of Kalifornia".
Actually I *DON'T* have a rap sheet, as I have never been arrested, and the last traffic stop was better than 30 years ago for doing something stoopid. Having been arrested negates being able to hold a TS (code word) security clearance. I don't have that problem, but thanx for asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
Actually I grew up in the SF bay area (Redwood City) in the late 60s and early 70s.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet