First Time DWC W/ Water Farm Buckets

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

8 ml gallon? And am I correct in reading that you are using 25/ml gallon?

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25 ML 3 TBS Per 5 gallons = 1500 ppm W/ Cal Mag and Hydrozyme sometimes 1700ppm They seem to be doing better.
I spoke with this hydro shop in Cali and they say the best results are coming from people who are feeding manually each day.

So instead of Rez Top Offs I Hit them with about a 1/2 a gallon a day with fresh water and NUTES with the rest of the water it goes in the REZ.

They all seem strong except for that set up of four I have PICS I will be posting of the setup.

Let me eat first 1/2 hr

I can not view the Pics

Ok here are a few Photo's I took some really nice ones I just a name of a program to compresser them they are larger then 1.96MB

In one of the shots you can see were the valves are different in the REZ. In the first set of PICS there is a plant which is last in line with the bad REZ. I Lifted it out of water with a chuck on the side to hold it out. There's some pics of baby's and in the back are the monsters 5fters... The Lower Rez fucked me all up

You can se the ones with the good REz are doing great!!!

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Except his is 8ml of fluids per gallon. I use 25ml of fluids which on the bottle is the equivalent to 45ml of NUTES. Which equals out to be 3 TBS per 5 gallon.

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I was really angry before after P/U on stupid mistakes.. PLUS I was really stoned:jointsmile::jointsmile:

Well I pretty much do this with every garden I've ever done. I hit them hard rather then gradually getting them into a "NORMAL" Routine. Believe it or not after the initial shock the plant's are so durable and strong. Some of the Fan Leafs Ill remove but most I will just cut the tips. Then with that LateWood package - they blow up. Sometimes when they turn yellow I back off on the NITRO.

Pic 1 is the good REZ
Pic2 is the bad one you can see there is no dump control from the top.
Pic3 Shittiest Plant

OTHER SET
Pic 1 is the Best Plant
Pic 2 is one that is coming back from too much NUTES
Pic3 Just a wide shot of the back
Pic4 Babies NYD/SensiStar

When I get the new pump I ordered and the hydro store takes care of that lower valve Ill put air stones in all incl the rez. I think I even came up with a good way to make the 2 recirculate.

Here is my quick way to make it recirculate. I will take the Rezez and each bucket all with T'S and Tie them all into each other bucket. Imagine it is a circle using all the same holes. At the furthest point there will be a T off . With a light small water pump that will pull water through each bucket with a Y hose. feeding it back into both Rezes. Then drilling will be required when I add Air stones in everything. I found a post online I could not believe the difference. He or she had one regular and one with air stones amazing the diffrence between the two

Hook it up but create the system as a loop....


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Well I think johnny has a good point there.....your high ppms are most likely definitely contributing to your high ph.....you're burning them and a high ph is a side effect of that. I think that's something you're going to have to live with if you want to push your numbers like that. No offense but I try to go for a healthy plant.....not push them to the edge as so many folks like to do. I find a healthy plant does the best overall....yield and resistance to problems-wise so I can't help you much with that I'm afraid.

My answer would be to lower your numbers.....a LOT....like to about NO MORE than 1000 and see what the ph does. If you want to live on the edge that's fine....but it's alot more work isn't it?......and your chances of something tipping the apple cart (since it's too full already and looking rather rickety from here) are pretty high.

Thanks alot for picking that up WH and Johny:thumbsup::thumbsup:. This is not a table system for sure.. LOL I will get the drip down pat or else. I do believe to beat them up with the nutes in the beginning. I will be dropping the Feeding schedule TUES W/ a full system Change.

Do you think CO2 when introduced can help with the PH levels?

WH What is your feeding schedule GH 3 parts?

If so whats your feeding schedule like?

Thanks again I was told later on with the bubbler's and drip systems they like less NUTES for OXYGEN uptake and now also for PH issues.

Thank again :thumbsup:

Honestly GL I don't know anything about C02 except the very VERY basics such as don't breathe a bunch of it in and it can KICK ASS on your yield if used right.
That's my honest limit right there.

GL I've only done the Botanicare nutes and never tried the GH 3 part. Quite frankly I don't understand the whole 8ml/ thing and never have. I'm not saying they're bad or anything only that I know 0 about them in general. I have several friends who use them with good results but that's about all I can tell you.

Sorry I'm not more help.....but if something happens that I can help I'll pipe up. :D

Hey WH hope you are around.

I will be sticking to the GROW section from now on!!!

Hope all is well:jointsmile: Can't complain on my end. The hole CO2 thing is cool I did some reading and something regarding the CO2 does balance off the PH and the uptake of food the plant is able to gain. Which explains the difference in yields.

I will be posting Pics tomorrow all seems well PH is still on the rise and I even dropped off NUTES significantly. I hope that the 6 burner CO2 unit I have coming will balance all the issues that are taking place. I don't know if I said it before but the room is sealed so the CO2 could become an issue really soon, yet plant development has varied greatly, but they all seem to be on the same path now. Anyway I was wondering I dropped the Rezes to 1000 PPM yet @ the buckets I caught them as high as 1400 which i drained and refilled with 1000 just a Pain in the @@@ with 12 buckets. I was wondering while doing Rez top offs what do you add in to your solution. No 3 part just water balanced with Hydrozyme? Or just balanced water with Hydrozyme W/O 3 Part? Well hope to hear from you soon Pics maybe tonight big big difference once they started to take to the hydrotone.

Thanks WH and anyone who would like to share their input

GL420:thumbsup::thumbsup:

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If your numbers are rising like that (starting at 1000 and ending up at 1400) then your plants are drinking a LOT more water than nutes. I would drop your number back further then......perhaps down to 800 if they are using up that much water and leaving behind that much nute in your solution.

Quite honestly I haven't really had that problem to a large degree.....I tend to keep my numbers fairly low all in all and generally while the rez amount will drop the numbers tend to go DOWN so I have no trouble adding fresh full strength solution. One of my plants is in week 6 and is drinking over a gallon a day so it's easy to keep up with that one by just adding a fresh gallon a day. :)

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

One of my plants is in week 6 and is drinking over a gallon a day so it's easy to keep up with that one by just adding a fresh gallon a day. :)

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Nice going W/ that one gallon a day plant was that started from seed or Clone? Week 6 of grow or Flower? That is nice a gallon a day with no troubles.

That's cool Thank you for the advice. I will be lowering my nutes again 800 to 750 ppm Micro grow and bloom 250-250-250? I ordered 8" Air Pumps to add in to the WF buckets. I will do a How to Thread on that on Tues. It should help alot with the O2 uptake. I will be able to show off the CO2 machine on Monday.. Can not wait:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

So drop nutes and plants should be even happier is basically the theory behind DWC and WF Buckets because they like the O2 and with the low NUTES it alows that...

Here are some updated shots of the garden. I'm sexing the tall "GIRLS" I hope in the back now in the VEG room. Seems be the normal 60/40. The train Wreck is blowing up really fast development. Has anyone grown this strain from GHS I hope it makes me happy...:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

60-40% was not my ratio when it came to my Sensi NYCD It was 2 out of 6.

So that put a little damper on my grow. I had the intension's of flowering a few of the big GUYS with the ones in the HFarm Buckets.

Now that has changed I was thinking of trying tranobles technique. I'm thinking of cutting 40 clones to fill the 3Rd lamp and do a 4x4 Bed. I'm thinking of only Vegging them for 10 days just Like Tranoble said it could be done. No topping he said he was getting 40+ grams colas on each plant. That was with CO2 in a sealed environment. Which my CO2 unit arrived today and I do have a sealed room. When the unit comes on it throws off a bit of heat. I purchased one that has a spark igniter rather then the glow plug or pilot light. I have to get a game plan because I've put so much in and have been unable to get anything out. I left the CO2 on over night and I can not believe the difference and the water consumption the plants are taken up now....

Well they say Good things come to those who wait I sure hope it is True!!!!!!:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

There are only 12 TWreck and Churches mixed in I wonder what the yield would be if I just flowerd out the buckets!!!!!!

As long as you don't run into root issues....which is something I've been fighting with the w/f's with for as long as I have had them.....why not flower them in the buckets? Otherwise go for your clone thing. Either way I don't think you'll be sorry with your finished product.. ;)

Thanks WH I was just hoping to get a little more weight then appears to be possible to get out of only 12 buckets!!!!

Help Help Help WH!!!!!

LOL it seems to be just me and you in here.LOL

I really appreciate all the help. I have a big ????

When the plant begins to develope and get larger do they have a tendency to lean? There are a few of the big ones I have are really beginning to lean. I thought @ first the stems cracked or the roots pulled off the plant. Then I took a 5 gallon bucket and filled one up to see what the plant would do and it just seemed to rise then settle to the side w/ A lean. Is this normal or am I having problems? The lower section of the plants 4-5 inches of the stem are really white I guess thats from the nutes splashing up causing it to turn that way. they are really fat stalks but my friend believes that there is a problem with the white to the bottoms but he never grew a DWC system FN Tommy LOL:D. The plants really took off after I listened to your advice on lowering the nutes the plants are really coming around I'm just really concerned with the stalks leaning. the roots are coming out of the bottom in full force now and they all took to the hydro except for one straggler which I'm not giving up on.

Thanks In Advanced GL420 :jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

Hey Gl.....can you take a photo for me? They really shouldn't lean at that age....what kind of medium are you using?

Only the hydrotone and they were in peat pellets. I can get a Pic int he AM. I was thinking if it is a problem maybe balance out a 3" rock cube cut it and wrap around stalk to help balance them? I can get photo's tomorrow Afternoon I have to travel to the garden. Ohh Dam I wish I had a shot now to show you!!!!

Here are some shots

HEY WH PLEASE TELL ME IT IS ALL GOOD OR GIVE ME A EASY EASY FIX OR TELL ME IF I"M REALLY FUCKED......

THANKS IN ADVANCED GL420
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I agree with Weedhound, 1000 or even less would be better at this point. Also I dont use more than 1 tsp of hydrozme per gallon.
Even if your plants were completely healthy 1000 ppm would make them flourish.
Once you figure out your system you will have a feel for how fast the ph and ppm are going up or down.
I know with my system I have to put a 1\4 to 1\2 tsp of ph down every day or so inbetween nute changes.
When your trying to diagnose a problem decrease the nutes etc. and increase the oxygen, till you figure out what the problem is.
If you decrease everything except oxygen and your plants come back looking better then you know your giving them too much of a good thing.
If you have a vented hood or have air blowing over the tops of the plants. Lowering the light as close as possible is a good way to get your plants to start thriving again.
Good luck.

Thanks Johnny I just purchased serenada and the hydrotone was turning green on top. I hit them with more hydrozyme then I probably should roots are not an issue now stems are. I need to keep them they are getting to good looking just to kill them off. I used alot of that serenada I don't no when to hit the brakes with that shit and this hydrotone is now haunting me again.

WH were are you!!!!!!:jointsmile:

WH were you @?

Are you cheating on me!!! LOL
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I was thinking of doing this with white poly. Pushing down the drip rings as far down as possible. Then stake them for support. Although I'm unsure how survival is looking for now. Probably I can just go W/ a 6" square poly cut and just lay it on the hydrotone. To prevent the water bounce back and just monitor it. If they are going to be able to flower stakes will be a must. A 6" cut may be better then a full CVR due to the humidity that will lock in below.


GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

Dude your plants are looking monsterish!! I'm sorry GL....as soon as I got off the pc I realized about your hydroton because of all the issues with it. What do your roots look like underneath?

Let me study the photos here for a min but how are they growing in general.....how happy do they seem?

Ok here are my thoughts:

Johnny....I love you. Every one in the world wants to add more and more. You speakum WISE words....less nutes and more O2. Great all around plan no matter what the problem until you can get a diagnosis.

GL....I dont see anything wrong with your plant stems. They look strong and healthy from the photos I see. If they are leaning then the issue is in the hydroton/and or your roots being weak/undersized/diseased etc and just not providing the support they should

You have pretty good sized plants for w/f buckets so you may well run into rootbound issues further in flowering. Imo cloning is starting to look like a good idea because of size issues only. That's something to consider because you already are going with more buckets, plants etc than a lot of us so if you are looking for MORE yield you may have to rethink your w/fs......just a bit of cud to chew on.

That being said.....the way to stop that leaning is to get some good gardening tape and tie the branches to the w/f. I ended up drilling some small holes in the sides of my tan buckets to tie branches to for lsting and they work great. :)

Hey WH:thumbsup: Missed you babe.

The roots are popping out the bottom of the buckets but not like yours were. A 7 foot monster. The roots only apear to be a foot max and not alot of density. The plant's are tending to lean. What are you saying that they are to big? I was waiting till the 14th to flower. My head is all messed up I was up all night and I have to go check them out. I will get picks of the roots and I will post in 2 hrs..

Thanks WH GL420

WH PIC 1 leaves curling plant turning and quick. There seem to be 4 with this problem. The roots are not large at all coming out of the lower bucket. Should I be adding extra holes in them? I went and checked on them and topped them off they are really starting to drink up. Just when I though the fight was over.

What are my chances of survival with these?

Thanks GL420

Here are a couple more shots!!!

The roots in the first root PIC ARE THAT OF THE HEALTHY MONSTER....

WH can you please show me a shot of how you tie them of stake them!!!!

Thanks GL:thumbsup:

Gl you've just gone and grown them babies too big. :eek: :D

I think your plants are rootbound. If you aren't using a zyme product then start asap and consider flushing to help get any excess crud/fert build up, old dead roots etc out.
This is something that all of us with waterfarms have run into sooner or later which is why everyone drills extra holes in all their w/f buckets and there STILL seem to be issues which is why I went to 8 inch net pots instead.

There isn't anything you can do really except use your zyme products and try to keep drainage and 02/water flow open for the roots inside your red buckets. If you don't develop root rot problems they may finish ok.

Here's a pic of my soil WW that I've lst'd. I like the green gardners tape because of its stretchy and flexible nature so if I forget to check it and the branch grows the tape will stretch along with it instead of choking off the branch its tied to.

I use those binder clips or simply drill holes in the edges of the pot to anchor the ties. To provide support for your stems make sure you tie both sides (or better yet...all 4 sides) of your plant equally. ;)

Hey WH So i guess in the bottom of those red buckets I have a huge mess of roots? I have been running 2-3 tbs of hyrozyme per 5 gallons since day one. Roots are as white as can be. I'm thinking of just taking 8 of them and going into flower tomorrow. I should definitely get 3 ounces off each. I will put 3 under a 1000 and hope for the best. I cut 20 clones on Thursday. I will veg them 10 days in the VEG room then throw them in their I should do OK. I GUESS???? ;)

I really don't know what I have gotten myself into but I think I will be studying LST Next LOL

Do you think the roots are ushig the plants up? What would be your action on the ones that are doing good to keep them going that way.

Also am I safe by saying at least 3 OZ a Plant?

GL...let me dig up a few old photos and post them....you are right....there are HUGE MASSES of roots jammed into that red bucket and that's what is causing your rootbound issues. I'm WAY afraid to make guesses on yield because your plants could start to crash and burn at any time......especially with root issues. Believe me without healthy roots and a good enviroment for them there's no guarantees to finish and Mr Hound and I have seen them go downhill FAST firsthand. ;)

Hey what's going on!!!

I killed 4 today I have 8 nice healthy ones. Ripped the roots out of the pots and they were all white. I hope the other 8 can make it. Right now I'm running just CLEAREX. I added 1 TBS per gallon 15 gallon rez. I just don't know how long to run it if it was ebb and flow or Trays it is completely different with DWC. I'm going to Home Depot after dinner and was going to send them into flower tomorrow. I have a couple in soils I just have to Straighten out. I wanna try LST what type of tape is that WH? Well I hope I get some weight out of the setup.

GL:jointsmile: HAZE

ick man....sorry for the bad fortune GL, this is one of those very few times when you can say "my plants grew too much" and it be a bad thing...I gotta whipe my whole garden now, so I feel your pain..I guess they could come back, but I think you were around when this happened to WH...and hers didnt make it either if I remember correctly.....sorry dude
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whiskeytango

it was green gardeners tape GL...good to see you still got some going...have you tried carbonated water or peroxide?...I am no dro guy, strictly dirty, but i think i remember WH saying something about those helping oxygenating the roots...i think..but I am REALLY stoned right now, so wait for her to confirm that, or tell me Im retarded....
whiskeytango

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it was green gardeners tape GL...good to see you still got some going...have you tried carbonated water or peroxide?...I am no dro guy, strictly dirty, but i think i remember WH saying something about those helping oxygenating the roots...i think..but I am REALLY stoned right now, so wait for her to confirm that, or tell me Im retarded....
whiskeytango

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LOL I think I'm going to drive it out and see what happens. I will fill the EZ cloner 120 before sending them off. The roots are not that bad... I dont see major development. I ripped four out and the biggest one hardly had any roots in the red Buckets. Well will have to see. HYDROZYME will love me for the next two months.....

Dam summer

They aren't mutually exclusive Stealth LOL!! disclaimer: JOKE!

The problem with the w/f's is that they don't promote good drainage partially because of their teeny holes in the red bucket and i personally also think its because of the square shape of them. They jus aren't built well for larger plants imo.

Here's a couple photos of some of the problems we've had (pic one is a branch literally suffocating due to the roots being squished off inside the red bucket) that can be traced directly back to poor water flow, air flow AND drainage in the waterfarms buckets.

The largest problem is that the roots get so messed up and crammed together that they keep any water, fresh nutes and oxygen flow out and away from the middle of the root area where its needed. Adding a zyme product OR H202 will help but only in the spots inside the red bucket that it can reach. Without fresh air, water and nutes to the rootball eventually you will get root rot or another root disease and could easily lose your crop.

GL if you go back through some of my older grow logs you'll see we've been fighting this issue for YEARS and never did find a good way around the problem despite drilling TONS of extra holes in the buckets among other things. We ended up going with some different and modified buckets instead of the red w/f's