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you most certainly can use nutes with tap water. can you be a little more specific with what you are needing clarification with please?Quote:
Originally Posted by nwodreciffo
be more specific. is it spring, distilled?Quote:
Originally Posted by smello
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sorry-spring water
you shouldn't need any calmag+ spring water as it contains most of the micronutes that your ladies need. they should get the rest from your nute regimen.Quote:
Originally Posted by smello
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thank you shake
no problem. if you have to used bottled water, i would stick with spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by smello
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So if Im using distilled and the flora series I dont need cal mag?
'Spring water' is a very generic term. Do you know this spring? What minerals and organic acids are in it? How much sodium does it have?
Spring water bottled for drinking often has too much sodium for plants, and not enough minerals. You're better off running distilled + calmag... at least you know what's in there!
Bottom line: Know your water. If you've got no way of testing the EC, then IMVHO... stick with tap water and a soil style of growing...
i stand corrected. thanks stinky!Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
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Never have truer wordz been spoken:thumbsup:
my tap water has 35 mg/l of calcium is that pretty high will I still need cal/mag and also what would be the ppm reading for 35 mg/l of calcium
Your water company on request should be able to give you a complete run down on whats in your water.... i recently fell foul as my water company switched resevoirs.... the new resevoire was 150miles away from the previouse and was lacking in sulphur, iron, boron....
your local aquatics center will be able to test the following
total disolved solids-TDS
PH
PHOSPHATE
GENERAL HARDNESS
CARBONATE HARDNESS(MIX OF MAGNESIUM CARBONATE AND CALCIUM CARBONATE I THINK)
AMMONIA
IRON
MAG
CALCIUM
NITRATE
NITRITE
You can order these straight of the old WWW.
Nutrafin Master Test Kit
peace out
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Not if you run the Lucas Formula :rastasmoke:
Excellent post Delta, I read the whole thing and learned a great deal. I am using Flora series nutrients and R/O water. Flora has a separate Hardwater micro for their hard water. So I am assuming the regular micro has the cal mag i need. I was interested about two thing though:
Mixing tap water and R/O, this would be a great way to get around the ergonomics of my R/O, as it only produces 5 gallons every 1.5 hours and it wastes a lot of water and time in the process.
But more intriguing was the pH discussion. I heard keep it between 5.5 and 6.5 so when I started my seeds yesterday I used 6.34. I'm now wondering if I should attempt to drop the pH.
Could blackstrap mollasses be used at a substitute of cal-mag, it contains a bunch of nutrients such as magnesium calcium and iron
i've been using Nestle pure life purified mineral water. Its been through reverse osmosis.
i heard its the way to go. You can only get it in litle bottles though.
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Hey all, I'm new to this all and was wondering if I use distiller water I'm my ebb n flo systm does that eliminate most ph problems? I have no meters and cannot afford one,I am using foxfarm nutes, I want to make this as easy as possible on myself and not have to worry about my water ph ppm ect. In a nutshell is distilld water good enough to use and not have to correct ph EVER?
No, you still have to be able to check it. The test strips that General Hydro sells are better than nothing and should be under $10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chebus
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Originally Posted by texashustle
I found the LUCAS formula lacking for most of my plants. CalMag was definitely needed, though not by bottle directions, maybe half that.
YMMV, depending upon your water supply, I guess. :D
No, pH must always be monitored. Distilled water/RO water especially so, because there's less stuff initially present to act as a buffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chebus
I use the GH liquid pH tester kit. Not the most accurate thing to try to judge but it works if you've got decent light to judge color by.
If U use RO and U have hard water really dont need CalMag. All u gotta do is mix them 1/2 and 1/2. Half ro/tap. U'll save money on ur RO filter and not buying CalMag.
My .02
L8
MJ
Most hard water comes from an excess of calcium and not magnesium, though. The imbalance would cause a lockout of magnesium and you'd have sickly plants pretty quickly. Tried it, didn't work. Back to cal-mag.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJACTIVIST
I have hard water and even without RO I add cal-mag to bring the levels closer to balance.
Hey mac, could you explain this part a little more in depth:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmac
The question was whether it was OK to use RO water /cal-mag to do a flush when finishing. It is accepted that cal-mag water allows for nutrients to be more available for the plants uptake. (that's what this threads abt) It is believed (not proven) that it helps with nutrient transport and use of nutes in the plant.
If you are adding cal/mag to RO water that has 0 PPM of TDS, you will only add enough to bring TDS to 200-250 PPM. This in in the OK to drink range, much like well water with micro nutes in it. Or better analogy, look at a bottle of Dasani, RO water with a small measured amount of minerals replaced in it for taste.
There is not enough of cal/mag in water properly done to leave behind any trace of it after the flush. Hope this makes sence or cents.
In my original answer, "taste" there was a reference to finished, dry bud.
OM
When I first started to grow I was always spun up about making sure that this or that was right....I finally found out that the MJ plant is a very sturdy plant and cant take alot. I found a simple solution to my problem. I live in the city where my tap water is 250-300ppm (Im using a hydro system).. I found that if I buy a de clorinator filter for the shower at Home depot, I can get all the water I need( till the filter runs out)... as long as the chlorine is out of your water, the plants will deal with the rest hince no need for Cal Mag and other like items. I also have better luck using Honey instead of Molassis in my applications... I tend to yield about 1lb per plant.... Mi dos centavos...Mx
What filter brand do you use?Quote:
Originally Posted by mx450guy
My tap water is at 350-370ppm right now!
Where do I want it be be at?
What and how do you use Honey in your application?
Sorry for all the noobies questions.
I have been using their B'cuzz line of nutrients. they don't even sell a cal-mag product. Green all the way thru to the end. Go to, [email protected] ask for a sample that's how I started using them. Happy trails
dose this only apply to hydro when using ro that you have to add cal mag? or also in soil?
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...-water-og.html
It also applies to soil....if using RO or Distilled, add micro nutes....Quote:
Originally Posted by dr.kush3
CGI::::::
well calcium is good for veg and magnesium is good for flower but general hydroponics is good for nothing...it will make your soil so hot your plant will die right before your eyes I did a PPM test on my soil and it nearly blew up my meter...its always good to have a qt of cal-mag laying around when you want to destroy your plants even further I just found out about Super Natural Brand and IMO for soil or hydro its the best but before you get ready to throw that three month old project in the trash use super leech and cal-mag together and it will bust up all the salts gen hydro puts in there nutrients and your plant will start to veg again I saved a cali blue dream mother that way and if I would have stuck to gen hydro it would be on its way to the dump !! Every month at least leech your soil or at your next nutrient:thumbsup: change your plants will thank you...its not nice to see your PPM meter blow up
if you use super natural brand you can throw your meters away its designed to run 700-1000ppm thats 1 to 2 teaspoons per gal and buffered so you will never need a meter...you only need a meter if your using crappy nutrients sorry about the dirt but thats the way it is or you can buy billions of dollars of garbage and make a recipie but lifes too short to use crappy nutrients:thumbsup:
I use the BioCanna line in OFFF soil, with crappy tap water; the GH tester says its 7.0. So my question is this... Do I have to worrt about ppm using soil, or should I just keep my water PH'd to around 6.3-6.8? And why are all my stems turning purple, its making me sad.
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Originally Posted by ZiggZagger420
Calcium good for veg??? Magnesium good for flower??? That's a first....
Blaming GH for your mistakes is really easy to do.... Shit we might as well release everyone from prison who shot someone with a gun....because by your logic, it's not their fault....
I used nothing but GH for my first three years of hydro....the 3-part Grow Micro Bloom and Floralicious Grow and Bloom.... If you know what you are doing, your plants will thank you.... It was probably more so operator error that led to negative results with your plants, than it was the concentration of the nutes....
CGI::::::
Doesn't the nutrients include calcium and magnesium? What nutrient brand offers the best choice to stabilize PH? I've also read plants can be misted with a diluted solution of epsom salts (magnesium) - a diluted mixture would be 1/2 teaspoon added to 32 oz's of distilled water and mist during dark period.
I use calcium/nitrate as part of my feeding regiment that way I don't need calcium, however I'm unsure how much magnesium sulfate should be added in ppm to balance it. any thoughts?