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Thanks for the Idea Wayward;
I have learned so much this grow, as I've spent most of it chasing my mistakes ;)
I think this harvest is going to come out oK , but next one will be even better, this site is an amazing resource with helpfull and great people , wish I could lite one with ya all :jointsmile:
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heres one of the HEALTHY girls :)
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JJ: Cool. The more kinks you smooth out in your technique and enviornment, the easier this stuff gets. Likely you'll see a few more nanners before all is said and done. Good luck with that 'waiting till trichomes turn amber' stuff. My brain starts drooling early in the milky stages, lol.
ww: First-off, I do appreciate you mentioning that you think I'm right. But, let me get this straight. To overcome a couple of minor problems, all he has to do is change everything from technique to nutes...?
<sigh>
Posting your grow techniques in someone elses plant problem post, is likely best done once. While you are at it tho, would you like to take this opportunity to tell him how to re set-up his growspace, and which strains to grow next, and perhaps get him to change his lighting, too?
I saw what looked like this same manifesto yesterday in another post. Did you copy and paste this from yesterday's post, or did you type this crap all over again here?
In simple, no-nonsense terms...How does what you posted help, with the conditions indicated in JJ's posts? This isn't a re-vamp your technique and change everything forum, it's a troubleshooting forum.
I'm not here to piss people off, even though it might seem like it. I admit that I got off to a bit of a bad start but that's because I didn't word one of my first sentences in a way I really wanted to. What's done is done and I can't fix that now.
Rusty writes:
"But, let me get this straight. To overcome a couple of minor problems, all he has to do is change everything from technique to nutes...?"
First off, his pics don't look like minor problems. I think the plants can recover, but right now it looks like they're starting to die. The reason for this is probably what you wrote about, the frequent foliar fert issue. I agree with your diagnosis. But I didn't specifically say "change everything." I see where you're coming from though. Please understand that what I'm suggesting isn't much of a change. If a grower already grows in soil, what I'm suggesting is to put the fert in the soil before the plant, using a certain kind and in a certain amount, then seeing the results. What I'm trying to say is - people have a tendency to be too involved in their grow. There's an impulse to do more to make it better but I suspect that all we need to do is create a situation for plants that mimics nature. Most plants outside don't get foliar feedings. No one checks the pH. Plants depend on all-organic ferts (old dead plant material) to feed themselves. It works.
"Posting your grow techniques in someone elses plant problem post, is likely best done once."
The only way that will work is if Stinkyattic gives me a sticky thread and I don't think she will. What if Jesse didn't see the earlier thread? I wanted Jesse to know there is another way. People use a variety of ways that work, but it seems like the more involved the grower is, the greater the likelihood for problems and that why I started my post above with "this thread is a great example of using powder fert in soil." This method takes out alot of the guesswork. However, if the grow is to be of short duration, it should be understood that chemial ferts might be better, as the dissolve quickly in water and become available to the roots just as fast. Powders require time for bacteria to break them down. That's why the powders tend to come with microbes (bacteria)" to do that work.
"While you are at it tho, would you like to take this opportunity to tell him how to re set-up his growspace, and which strains to grow next, and perhaps get him to change his lighting, too?
I saw what looked like this same manifesto yesterday in another post."
Yes, you did see it. I gave it to someone else, but so what? A person may or may not use the idea as they wish. I'm not twisting anyone's arm to use this idea. But again, it works for me and others, and it will work for you too provided you have time to let the plants grow. I have no intention of telling Jesse to change growspace or anything else, unless of course it looks like a problem. In Jesse's response, he says "thanks" and that he's been chasing problems this grow. I don't know about that, but the foliar feeding is too much. I suspect he can reduce the chasing by putting adequate fert in the soil and leave it be. I don't know why your exaggerating my post. Relax, smoke a bowl, feel mellow....
"Did you copy and paste this from yesterday's post, or did you type this crap all over again here?"
I typed, using my thumbs. :thumbsup:
"In simple, no-nonsense terms...How does what you posted help, with the conditions indicated in JJ's posts? This isn't a re-vamp your technique and change everything forum, it's a troubleshooting forum"
What I posted won't help his current plants. My idea will work only with the potting of fresh plants or repotting small plants into larger containers. That's why in the first paragraph I wrote the following: "Jesse, next time your potting plants, get a box of a fert..." Take another look and see it there. I've used these ferts outside for flowers and they work great. I get exactly the results I was hoping for. I have one rose bush in a large container with more of the powder fert I've written about, and that rose is kicking ass. I can even show a pic if you want to see what I mean. The help from me will come when Jesse pots plants again and follows the recipe. It will work provided it's a grow several months long. It's not my idea to revamp or change everything. All I'm saying is - change this one thing and watch what happens. That's it. Rusty, you could try it too, you know? Just one plant is all it will take. You'll see. But you probably have a good grow as it is, since you know what you're doing.
I'm not here to piss people off, even though it might seem like it. I admit that I got off to a bit of a bad start but that's because I didn't word one of my first sentences in a way I really wanted to. What's done is done and I can't fix that now.
Rusty writes:
"But, let me get this straight. To overcome a couple of minor problems, all he has to do is change everything from technique to nutes...?"
First off, his pics don't look like minor problems. I think the plants can recover, but right now it looks like they're starting to die. The reason for this is probably what you wrote about, the frequent foliar fert issue. I agree with your diagnosis. But I didn't specifically say "change everything." I see where you're coming from though. Please understand that what I'm suggesting isn't much of a change. If a grower already grows in soil, what I'm suggesting is to put the fert in the soil before the plant, using a certain kind and in a certain amount, then seeing the results. What I'm trying to say is - people have a tendency to be too involved in their grow. There's an impulse to do more to make it better but I suspect that all we need to do is create a situation for plants that mimics nature. Most plants outside don't get foliar feedings. No one checks the pH. Plants depend on all-organic ferts (old dead plant material) to feed themselves. It works.
"Posting your grow techniques in someone elses plant problem post, is likely best done once."
The only way that will work is if Stinkyattic gives me a sticky thread and I don't think she will. What if Jesse didn't see the earlier thread? I wanted Jesse to know there is another way. People use a variety of ways that work, but it seems like the more involved the grower is, the greater the likelihood for problems and that why I started my post above with "this thread is a great example of using powder fert in soil." This method takes out alot of the guesswork. However, if the grow is to be of short duration, it should be understood that chemial ferts might be better, as the dissolve quickly in water and become available to the roots just as fast. Powders require time for bacteria to break them down. That's why the powders tend to come with microbes (bacteria)" to do that work.
"While you are at it tho, would you like to take this opportunity to tell him how to re set-up his growspace, and which strains to grow next, and perhaps get him to change his lighting, too?
I saw what looked like this same manifesto yesterday in another post."
Yes, you did see it. I gave it to someone else, but so what? A person may or may not use the idea as they wish. I'm not twisting anyone's arm to use this idea. But again, it works for me and others, and it will work for you too provided you have time to let the plants grow. I have no intention of telling Jesse to change growspace or anything else, unless of course it looks like a problem. In Jesse's response, he says "thanks" and that he's been chasing problems this grow. I don't know about that, but the foliar feeding is too much. I suspect he can reduce the chasing by putting adequate fert in the soil and leave it be. I don't know why your exaggerating my post. Relax, smoke a bowl, feel mellow....
"Did you copy and paste this from yesterday's post, or did you type this crap all over again here?"
I typed, using my thumbs. :thumbsup:
"In simple, no-nonsense terms...How does what you posted help, with the conditions indicated in JJ's posts? This isn't a re-vamp your technique and change everything forum, it's a troubleshooting forum"
What I posted won't help his current plants. My idea will work only with the potting of fresh plants or repotting small plants into larger containers. That's why in the first paragraph I wrote the following: "Jesse, next time your potting plants, get a box of a fert..." Take another look and see it there. I've used these ferts outside for flowers and they work great. I get exactly the results I was hoping for. I have one rose bush in a large container with more of the powder fert I've written about, and that rose is kicking ass. I can even show a pic if you want to see what I mean. The help from me will come when Jesse pots plants again and follows the recipe. It will work provided it's a grow several months long. It's not my idea to revamp or change everything. All I'm saying is - change this one thing and watch what happens. That's it. Rusty, you could try it too, you know? Just one plant is all it will take. You'll see. But you probably have a good grow as it is, since you know what you're doing.
You're right. So instead of replying to threads trying to convert people to your method, without helping the specific issue they need covered, you need to start your own thread, once, setting forth your method, and allowing members to discuss it with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by wayward
You ever hear the French term 'Idee fixe'?
Sorry for the intrusion, JJ.
ww: So all this was an effort to get Stinky to notice you so you could ask her to sticky the technique? Doubtful.
I had a strong feeling that what you wrote wasn't exactly how you intended it to sound. But in my opinion, that wasn't necessarily where the problem was.
However, there was more than one posted attempt to get you to understand that there was a probability that your statements, as being from an unknown newcomer, would likely be taken the wrong way. I for one, didn't appreciate the implications presented, nor was the link appropriate when coupled with your words, and you were given every opportunity to rectify the situation, and explain.
But after a senior member let you know the same thing, and you insult her, correct grammar or spelling or whatever, I'm really surprised you are still here. I'm not a mod, and probably it's a good thing, too. With your multi-pronged indignation and my pride in this site and those that run it...you'd have been gone already.
I'll have to go back and look, but isn't yours the same technique as the 3lb in sealed-room set-up...minus the CO2?
Hmmm.......
Just reviewed the thread again.
Heat and too much nitrogen are combining to give the dull, lifeless, appearance to your leaves. Be very careful with superthrive, because it adds more N than you would like in flower, and I'd use it next time during veg if you like that idea. A silicate supplement like Silica Blast is something to consider, to help your plants tolerate higher temps, and you want to add humidity to about 30-40% rh.
You don't need to foliar feed. But a foliar treatment with SMC leaf wash would help restore the glossy appearance and keep the leaves from losing moisture so rapidly in the dry air. It's 100% safe to use in flower and has a sweet, agreeable scent since it's just coriander oil. Smells like prep time at an Indian restaurant, lol!
That must be why I like indian food so much ;)
Thanks for the suggestions, those are 2 things I would have never though of. I didn't add superthrive yet, since the flush, just mollases and 1/2 nutes (2-11-11) .
I dont think I want to feed anymore ? ...being that Im about 2 weeks from harvest ?
Or should I feed a bit longer, and then just do a MASSIVE flush before I stick them in 36 hours dark at the end.
You are entering the flush time, and they have been feeding heavily all along- the amount of N in the plants' tissues needs to come down to avoid harsh flavors, so at this point just make the plants use up what they already have stored.
Remember in future grows also that N tells the plant 'grow leaves!' so using less in flower will reduce your bushiness but increase bud mass.
Cool, thanks for the clarification, ...flush time it is :)
I am going to continue on from here in my original grow log....Please feel free to follow up over there
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...-bushes-3.html
Peace :rastasmoke:
JJ
Can I flush again SO soon ?
The larger of the sick girls has lost almost ALL her fan leaves now :(
They go dark brown down the center, and then curl up, crisp up , and dye. The buds seem OK, but Im sure they are next. This plant is dying , and fast.
So I think I want to flush , again ? Shes still a little moist from the last watering, and I just flushed last week. Can I do it again ?
I just want to do all I can to help her survive the next few weeks. Or is she a lost cause at this point :(
can you get pics of how the dark brown looks? It's either a severe deficiency or lockout, or a symptom of rot.
Remember to review the flushing sticky- a flush ends with a weak feed of your base fert- about 1/2 the recommended dosage- at correct pH.
Edit: Your last post that said you are within 2 weeks of harvest- but here you say a few weeks- if you have more than 2 weeks you should keep feeding your bloom fert with every watering.
I'll get some pics tonight when the lights come back on. ...its not pretty though , just to warn you ...the Poor girl :(
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the rest of the plants are within 2 weeks Id say, but this sick girl is developing much slower then her sis, always has. My last watering she got bloom fert @ 1/2 strenght. She got 1/4 strength @ the last flush as well.
Thanks Stinky:hippy:
OK, so lights come back on in a few , but I had a question before.
Is it to late to Re Plant , if I need. I have always found that a re plant refreshes these plants. I have re planted often to keep the plants closest to the light.
Anyways , this plant seems to be about a week behind the other 5 in terms of maturity. SO about 3 weeks untill maturity.
Has she been stressed to much to replant, ..might it help ( into a 5 gallon )
Thanks, Pics in about, 20 minutes
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Naked and sick , I feel bad for her but am comitted to doing what ever i can to get her through the next few weeks. Can she still even grow with so few fan leaves ?
more flushing ? , re plant even ? or just leave her be for the next few weeks and do better next time :thumbsup:
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No dude you werent an asshole to me at all :) any problems that may exist outside this thread have notin to do with me :hippy:, but I DO appreciate any and all advice and weigh it all on my end before i act :hippy:
Post removed (wayward) as it references a flame war in another thread. DO NOT do this.
So Stinky , what you think , any chance to bring her ' back from the dead '
Im want to do all I can :D
Thanks :jointsmile:
If Stinky is thinking root rot I'd grab a zyme product and start using it asap.
That damage actually looks like you are not giving enough Calcium, or it is locked out somehow (low pH...?).
It's not too late to re-plant, adn you could really help the plant by giving it some fresh soil and a larger pot.
I will re pot tonight, maybe 2 of them there is another big girl in the other corner , she aint sick (wood knock) but Im sure would like the extra room as well :)
Ill check all PH levels again tonight when I re plant and report back. I have not been using CalMag or any cal supliment. But am using tap water. Quite possible my tapwater is fucked, tap ph is 7.2 ?
Anything you sugest for a 'homegrown' cal supliment if I cant track down any calmag ?
Thanks again :hippy:
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Weedhound , zyme ? sorry, still NEWB ;) I'll reaserch a bit
Tap water that high should have plenty of Ca in it (CaCO3 is what drives the pH of tap water up in many, many cases) but that pH is too high for plants and will need to be adjusted down to about 6.7 before use.