Stinky you have to look at Cede's reflection.....what exactly is he saying? "I'm better than you because I don't judge this other guy."
What kind of ridiculous statement is that?
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Stinky you have to look at Cede's reflection.....what exactly is he saying? "I'm better than you because I don't judge this other guy."
What kind of ridiculous statement is that?
i DO love this statement......"you were growing as responsibly as your situation would allow." What a hoot!
PS...I was driving as responsibly as my drunkenness would allow.??!!? :S2:
If I get busted at my outdoor grow because I get lazy and pick a spot in open view... I sure as hell would not expect my seed dealer to step up and say, "I sold him the seeds, please punish me along with him." It doesn't matter if the dealer was essential and that I wouldn't have been able to grow without his help. If I was an idiot and got caught, then that is my problem and mine alone. This whole "sure it may be legally fine... but the morally good thing to do would be to accept responsibility" is bull. She got caught growing because she was being stupid and disrespectful while taking care of the plants. She shouldn't even be charged with anything illegal besides perhaps a noise ordinance violation. Much less should bijnas be charged with cultivation along with her.
The moral thing to do is to thank God, or whoever you're thankful to, that our brother is not in jail right now. And say a prayer for this girl while your at it.
Bijnas has learned his lesson. I guarantee this will never happen to him again. There is no need to grind on him any further.
I do however have a right to disagree....this IS an open forum if you recall.
I REALLY love the statement in my sig from Stinky.....
Your deeds show your character.
Enough said from me.
Ps...If you are growing the seeds FOR the dealer.....I'd consider it more of an analogy.
I was surprised no one brought up High Times list of attorneys in the start of this thread.Of course dudes from Netherlands so all of his probably are.
And would it not be cool to post one of those attorneys here for furture ref. if someone needed one?
This is certainly a fascinating topic. I agree to some degree on both parts of the issue, it certainly is a difficult situation. As for my two cents, there's not much else he can do. Philosphically speaking, he could go to the police and claim "fault" for the whole situation. But who's fault was it truly that the place became a pig-pen? You could say the girl because she obviously fucked up. You could say he was because he was growing in the first place. At that point you could blame the dealer or seed bank for selling the seeds. It could potentially go on and on i.e. The Blame Game. But in this world where (unfortunately) ethics and morality don't necessarily apply for success (especially in legal situations), what else could be done? By coming forth to the cops nothing would change from a legal sense except that you too might be charged. She certainly wouldn't have the charges dropped, and isn't that the whole point of you coming forward in the first place? To rectify the situation? Blame our legal system for its lack of injustice at that point then. To make a long story short, keep it greasy so she goes down easy next time.
I'd like to note that Bijnas has responded to this thread with great dignity and restraint, considering the inflammatory nature of some posts.
I think yer gonna be all right, kiddo. Good luck.
didnt read all posts.... sorry
Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion and you have every right to air it. I'm just saying if you don't want to risk being punished for growing plants that belong to your friend, then don't agree to grow for your friend while he is away. Whether or not bijnas gets punished along with her is irrelevant to that point... in my personal opinion. Better one to suffer unjust punishment then two.
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Originally Posted by Weedhound
Hmm, I don't feel a lot of sympathy for this girl, sounds like she and whoever else was there was basically begging for a bust.
Loud noise, not responding to the neighbor, smoking it up while being a big enough nuisance that the cops are going to get called..Letting them in the door..
I'd be more than a little upset at her, and at my friend for breaking my trust and partying it up at my place, that's terribly disrespectful. That person's friend status would definitely be in doubt, and trust broken.
That said, kids will be kids and will do stupid things, and helping the girl out with her legal bills if he can might not be out of the question either.
wait wait wait.....growing in an apartment complex?
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:wtf:
You should kiss the ground and start to pray if you don't We are all modern day bootlegers but man she is not your mule. You should be paying her fees and hope for the best. That's the nobel thing to do.... Good Luck
If anyone should hand money over... I think she should pay him... for the value of the bud his plants would've produced. Her extreme recklessness resulted in his plants being stolen. And if he gets charged, she should cover his legal bills.
No one forced her to do anything. She agreed to watch over his plants, and she performed that duty with extreme recklessness and in a completely and wholly unreasonable fashion. Whatever may be said about how unreasonable it is to have a friend watch your plants for a couple days... blasting music/television in a grow location until the cops are called while smoking out the entire place is 100 times more unreasonable.
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Originally Posted by GreenLeaf420
I just want to say thank you to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
Nothing new yet, her first court date is the 14th, I'll be there to see what goes down and report on that.
As far as her legal bills go, I could never even think about paying them. I think I already said we both go to a pretty prestigious (top 10) school and the tuition is well over $150,000 a year, I thankfully got some pretty good financial aide, but I am still going about $30,000 more into debt every year, and my family does not come from any sort of money. Neither of my parents graduated high school and I am just a guy who worked really hard to be able to get where I am thus far. That said, this girl has had to do none of this. She went to one of the most expensive private schools in the country and basically got her way bought into university. Her parents are pretty much rolling in the cash, so not only do they pay for all of her schooling, pretty much anything else she wants/needs. So I assure you they are already paying top dollar for this lawyer and its not hurting them any, and me paying them isn't going to help them in anyway besides furnishing new deck chairs on their yacht.
So I will not be paying for her legal bills. Not to mention the fact that because the cops came, a lot of my shit got destroyed including my bed and they completely trashed the place, also taking everything I had invested into my grow op, and some things that had nothing to do with the grow op like my airbed pump. It's all worth it to me if they don't come and arrest me in the middle of the night.
I pretty much bj said what's important to him in his post above.
jsn...I completely disagree with your analogy. ..paying him......lol. Please.
I'm done with this thread.....sad commentary on morality and personal repsonsibiliy in today's world.
It seems to me that what's done is done, and there's no point in making a martyr of yourself when it won't help another. Everyone is the wiser.
From the tone of all this, it sounds like Bijnas and Silly Girl are still communicating- that's good. Shit happens, and friends get each other THROUGH it even if they can't get each other OUT of it. If she misses classes because of court dates, hey, go pick up her assignments for her. Look out for her while she is otherwise occupied, the way you asked her to look out for you while you were away. That would be a reasonable thing to do.
Actually- there's an analogy.
Silly Girl misses class for xxx avoidable reason.
Silly Girl asks Bijnas to pick up assignment.
Bijnas gives her the wrong assignment through some stupidity or carelessness.
Silly Girl turns in a paper that gets an F because it wasn't the right one.
Whose fault was it that she failed? It was a dumb move on his part to give her the wrong assignment, but she should have been in class herself. They can now play the blame game until graduation. Or they can say, oh crap, we both fucked up, good thing we are still friends.
Bijnas, I sentence you to wear a hair shirt (monk fashion c. 900AD) until your friend is off probation. Self-flagellation optional. ;)
I got a dwi.. I do not feel it was my fault. As a matter of fact there is evidence that it was not my fault. The reason that initiated the officer pulling me over was that I swerved to avoid a pot hole at 1am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameon
At the time of arrest and testing I blew a .075 which is under the legal limit here. After blowing several times (officer kept telling me to retake the test) I finally hit .08.
Now I still contest that this wasn't my fault as I was not legally drunk.
After going through hell, paying $6k for my lawyer and having the case dropped I still feel ithis was not my fault.
To say I have not learned anything from that would be ignorant and foolish. Although I was below the legal limit the entire situation has made my wary and cautious. I rarely drink now and even if I do it's only 1-2 drinks before I stop.
Give the guy a break. I'm sure he understands the circumstances of growing in an apartment and I'm sure he'll learn plenty from this situation.
The only thing I take from your posts is that you're placing all the blame on bjinas; which a great portion is his. They were his plants, it was his apartment, and he did ask the wrong person to baby sit. All of this he's aware of and i'm sure he'll learn to go about it a different way.
I guess in a way I'm saying I don't think your posts have been very helpful and could be more of a stressor to him than anything else as you are only stating the obvious and berating him over it (or at least that is the way your text comes across to me, but this is the internet and you can never tell a persons demeanor through text).
Bjinas, good luck. You know everything that was wrong with this situation (whether it be your fault or not). Should you continue to grow I hope that you will be able to go about things better and more stealthily.
Actually it is a non issue. He's aware of the consequences. We all know what will happen if we get caught. If the *grower* is ok with that then it should not be an issue. It also shouldnt be an issue for anyone that is asked to babysit and then get's caught due to drawing attention by their own actions because they are also aware of the consequences yet they accepted the duty. She could've easily said no.Quote:
I can't agree, it is an issue. I understand (and sympathise) with your point about the cost of buying property where you live, but you need to remember that if you decide to risk growing in an apartment you don't own, you're increasing the chances that you could get caught.
So I can't agree with you. I do feel the situation could've been handled better but everyone involved knew what could happen and accepted those terms. There is no finger pointing needed here IMO.
Actually, Legally it's his responsibility. Morally everyone knew what was going on in that apartment. It's not like they were clueless parents who got arrested because their kid was growing in their house secretively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Everyone has the ability to say "No, sorry I'm not comfortable with that". In which case he obviously had to tell people what he had in his house. They knew of the consequences of getting caught.
So while part of the blame is on Bjinas, Morally... his friends getting caught is not his fault. They accepted the responsibility and the consequences when they agreed to help him.
While this might sound cold and callous I don't feel that it is.
the only two real mistakes Bjinas did was
1. Growing in an apartment and not concealing it well.
2. Picking the wrong person to assist him.
Anything else that happens to the other person is on them as they have accepted what may happen if they were to be caught by agreeing to take part in the grow (babysitting).
That being said... I don't think I would involve someone else in my grow, but that's because I'm secretive about it.. not because I think there is a moral dilema in it.
edit: Just to let everyone know I'm not some cold asshole. heh.. I would definitely feel bad about the situation but I wouldn't feel I did something morally wrong. Just legally and I would do everything in my power to help my friend; even if turning myself in would free them of charges (which it never would/will).
My argument was based on morality vs legality.
No one puts me in a bad situation but myself... I reserve the right to back out at anytime. I'm my own person and reserve the right to not do something if I feel uncomfortable or for whatever reason really.
This poor girl had the same rights.
This I don't agree with. She's already been taken to jail, have to pay a lawyer and will have this on her record for a little while. I feel this is enough to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsn9333
Money and buds can be recouped. Your legal record and freedom are a bit harder to regain.
While I agree with you that each party is responsible for themselves when they agree to participate in anyway.. I don't agree that she deserves more punishment than she's already receiving.
I do believe Bjinas should help her in any way possible (and I believe he is trying to help her in ways that he can.. at least judging by his posts).
I just have to say I'm amazed at how calm and restrained you've remained to all these other posters here Bjinas. You have more self control than I would've had in this situation.
I just want to be clear... I was not saying she should pay bijnas. It was claimed that bijnas had some moral responsibility to pay this girl. I disagree with that, and to make my point even more forcefully I said "if anyone should pay the other person she should pay him". That was a big "if". In reality, I don't think either of them needs to pay the other.
My only point is that it is not morally irresponsible to ask someone to watch your plants for a couple days. All indications are bijnas has been stealthy enough and there was no police surveillance of his grow or anything like that. In hindsight it turns out he didn't know the person as well as he thought he did. So he should never do that again... probably with anyone. He has learned, sadly, not to trust anyone every again concerning his grow.
But this girl was completely reckless and irresponsible by smoking out the entire house, blasting music or whatever at top decibel, ignoring neighbor's complaints, and practically begging the police to come find the plants she was growing for the weekend. She the primary person responsible not only for her own legal charges, but also for the plants being stolen and the apartment wrecked.
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Originally Posted by daihashi
The girl who got busted went to court this morning. She got off with some "drug school", she has to attend four classes and the charges get dropped.
That Is great news. Does she have to go through any drug testings? and how much did she end up having to pay as a fine?
See? Just a smack on the wrist and off she saunters back to her privileged world, with a dirty little secret that will simply SCANDALIZE the Ladies who Lunch at her country club someday...
Glad that's over with. Good luck with finals this week!
you can just picture mimsy wintlethorpe having tea and looking shifty whenever someone mentions weed... that and fucking the latino poolboy (or whatever other servant) too funny
Glad it all turned out well. Is she getting drug tests or anything else with 'drug school?' Just asking info; know you asked for info and got a lot of opinions unsolicited in your time of need. But, the rest of us would like to no what we might face in the same situation? As for my opinion, I guess it is a 'you had to be there thing' and you were not! Having had a condo, I NO LOUD MUSIC WILL CALL THE POLICE ANYWAY! ANYONE WOULD KNOW THAT! Like they were having a free party on you and didn't give a crap about your neighbors or neighborhood anyway. BUT I THOT THEY ARRESTED EVERYONE IN THE APT. WHEN THEY DO A BUST. This person that was arrested was a friend of a friends with no manners or care for your neighbors and obviously your plants either--just a free high! I'd worry about your future plans now dude! You plan to start growing again, same place, same friends etc? LIKE THEY SAID--DON'T TELL ANYONE AND PLAN AROUND YOUR GROWTH AND GROW FROM YOUR MISTAKE OF POOR JUDGEMENT AND BAD LAWS. IF YOU GROW, YOU NEED TO NOT WORRY! IF YOU WORRY, YOU WILL GET CAUGHT. YOU REAL WORRY IS GETTING A RECORD AND NOT GETTING ON WITH YOUR CAREER. SO YOU MAY RETHINK YOUR FUTURE ACTIONS, UNLESS THIS IS YOUR INCOME! Man I'd like a friend with a green thumb like you! those of us that need it for medical use can't afford what we need and this is why we need people that have a 'goup' co-op that supplies the members only--cover each other's back. AND SHARE THE LEGAL COSTS! Unless, we get stupid and draw the police by excessive noise or other red flags that allow a cop to knock on the door! A REAL BUST FOR WEED WOULD HAVE HAD THE DOGS, ETC. AND FOUND EVERYTHING! good luck with your future and if you move this direction, call me! Choose a friend with something to lose also!:thumbsup:
One of the top 5 rules of growing- never grow in a location that has already been compromised.Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
No... really... worry. Be on your guard at all times. Keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut. Be ready to pack up and move it out even if you think the breeze smells just a little bit like bacon. (the breeze in here is starting to actually)...Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
In which case we absolutely do NOT discuss it here at cancom. Bijnas was very clear that this was a good friend watching a small, PU grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
They have those in legal MMJ states. If you have a card, you could certainly consider cooperation.Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
tough luck lol
I didn't find this thread again until now. Still learning how to navigate and use site!
Stinky, thank you for all the great advice. I am glad you cleared that up for me.
I am in a legal state. Plus, I have never rented (except decades ago in college). But, the condo I owned. I do not think that would be a wise place to grow, even legally! Anyone, from the governing board can figure a way to get in your condo (I owned and used as a rental and stayed there in between renters, for a vacation). They did mine. I wasn't doing anything wrong--but was pissed and felt violated, they came in when I wasn't home. Without a key! Used a ladder and came in thru a window.. Claimed, I had a water leak and I had nothing. Looking back, I should have been furious!
I live where it is legal and wonder if it is where this thread started (Netherlands). I was thinking, if you were growing in a closet, it must be income (pre 420 and 215 law thinking). Now, I have become much more informed and understand, it is great way to grow (discovered gro logs since this thread)! I just love those rubbermaid grows. Seem simple and clean! Plus, I now know what a grow log is and looked at his. It was nice!
I hope that guy moved and started his new grow with the few seeds they missed! Hope he did not get too discouraged from all the flak he got and started a new gro log with his remaining seeds.
I have never been a renter (since college, several decades ago) and did not understand, a month ago, it is not good to grow where you are renting or other folks homes. In fact, a thread was started over the week-end: Talked about finding a place that he could rent and gro. I referred to, 'people on this site mentioned not to grow where you rent! Couldnt' remember the thread or anything else to refer to! Now I realize, that is because it is a rule and a good one. (plus, I found all the rules in one spot!
This is the first Web site that I have even joined or figured out how! Bam really a PC idiot, just ask my friends, I think I do some dumb things and then discover, I did not. I sweat it out-whilst trying to figure out what I did-as you know.
Really went through a tough time with medical issue's the past few month's and this site has pulled me out of a great funk!
These rules have a great deal of foresight. I am amazed at the dept of thought used in making them. Plus, how knowledgeable the Mods are and the temperance! A job, that you all do with so much understanding-obviously, I have not seen anyone tripping by abuse of that power given, because I haven't seen any abuse! Yeh, I saw a ranting banned guy, but I understand why he was! I obviously missed all hs posts, but I read enough, before the ban that I get it! I am sure I have had posts politely removed and am glad of it. It embarass's me when I do not obey the rules, because I am still learning them and think I have a grasp of them.
Now, I can mark this and use it for the post I saw over the week-end! Somehow, I thot that post shouldn't have been on the site anyway. So, may not find!
Above guy had 6 plants, according to thread and that is legal where I am (with card); Out of curiosity, if you are legal; is there a point your place can become compromised? Articles like these, I read; before I grow. Want to learn from everyone else's mistakes!
This person was pretty brave and nice to share this info with us! And cool he can remain friends with the person. Both have forgiving spirits. And I hope I already had that and learn more of it through threads like this!
Even if you are legal at the STATE level, the fed still are just ITCHING for a chance to fuck with you. I guess the issue of states' rights still hasn't been resolved... after all these years.
If you grow in a rented area, which is often done, you have to plan that before you sign the lease. Where is the landlord? Is he or she retired, or a full-time property manager? Expect more attention than you'd have gotten from an absentee property owner. Is it a condo or homeowner's association? Homie, please. Those are about the nosiest bunch of hens you'd ever chance to meet. The kind of people who run for their condo association board are (to make a gross generalization) all about knowing every minute detail of what happens in their little neighborhood. Someone will sniff ya out, lol. I had a chance to rent a stunning condo right near my work, for little enough $$ that I'd MAKE money renting out my whole house... and I was considering it until I found out that the next door neighbor is the fucking association board chair. Ugh, just shoot me now.
Generally, complexes are the ahrdest places to gorw. You have to be on your toes at all times and have a really good emergency plan that only takes one person like an hour to implement, and you have to be home to do it. That guy upstairs has a 50 gallon saltwater fish tank and gets really clumsy when he's lit...
apart from breaking state law :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jsn9333
sz i really wanted to say it
but dude why not settle for 5 plants?
still, keep us posted
:smokin:
so basically the whole story is you got busted for a personal grow and all you got was a slap on the wrist some busted furniture and a few fees? duuuuude.... lucky!
And daihashi.....
If bj didn't want to hear things that "would stress and upset him" perhaps he shouldn't post his entire story on a public forum for everyone to read and comment on in the future.
uh, because i just wanted be a badass...Quote:
Originally Posted by Robob420
no, really I just wasn't planning on getting busted and i wanted 6 for more chances of females.
I think this thread is not going to be any more helpful to the OP than it has been; the recent posts are reiterations of criticism that has already been made.
Bijnas, I am glad you and your friend are through that ordeal, and with my Super Mod Last Word Power I am going to give myself the last word and close this up!
Be smart, be safe, be ethical.