ATTENTION: ALL ELIGIBLE U.S. VOTERS - FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA! [H.R. 5843]

Weed just makes sense as a medicine, legalize that shizzle

done! only a message but i will call back!

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Originally Posted by d4twamp

if god grew this loveliest of plants first does that mean the FEDS would lock up their creator on cultivation charges if he was here in the flesh...

just my ranting 2 cents, damn I need a :smokebong:

D:S5:

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If they could they would , and they would lock up his son under the anti-terror laws ;)

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Originally Posted by GoddessHerb

It's a good step but slightly irresponsible IMHO. I think it's dangerous to "de-criminalize/legalize" Cannabis posession without providing for the legal means of distribution. Doing so leaves the door open for criminal elements to profit without competetion. Such legislation will only serve to feed the prohibitionist propaganda when it fails to curb crime rates.

I think we should at least legalize posession and cultivation for personal use in any quantity and limit transfers to barter on a non profit basis. Meaning the Cannabis and the bartered goods/services are equal in value and no cash exchanged hands. This means people would have to trade something instead of money to obtain cannabis. That means your "friends" would be reqired by law to give something in return for your generous gifts of Cannabis. You could then move on to setting up a legal Cannabis distribution system that is fairly taxed and regulated while keeping the barter system for private transactions.

I think this is a fairly unique approach to the problem of criminal orginizations exploiting the lack of legal distribution channels in an era of legalized personal posession. Posession laws only effect those who can afford and/or are willing to purchase their Cannabis at an inflated price from criminal elements. It does nthing to protect those who supply Cannabis outside of these criminal orginizations. It seems to me that it would be beneficial to promote a peaceful distribution chain rather than a violent one. Just my :twocents:

BTW, I have written my reps about voting on every Cannabis measure that has gone to vote since 2001.

Blessed be~

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Rather genius, if I say so myself...


Regulation and taxation would also open the doors to marijuana retail in the U.S., which would include maintenance of cannabis farms, handling of it, shipping, etc, which transfers to more job opportunities for our citizens. And you know all the stoners would consider tending marijuana plants the PERFECT job.


I support the bill, of course. I feel in my soul that decriminalization, at the least, will be reached within the next eight years... at a nation-wide basis. Nothing to support that, though, just a feeling...

Merry Ye Meet & Merry Ye Part ;)

Its how some of us are forced to get it anyways. Beside with it being legal good people wont be afraid to sell and people wont be afraid to talk about smoking allowing you to find a reliable source. Not to mention adults dont have to go that route if they dont want to, and kinds should not smoke! The second it becomes legalized businesses will pop up everywhere and thell have to register as a business and pay taxes so all we really need is a few rules and regulations. Quality standards. Hum FDA

we can only wait and see what happens in 2009... but something within me tells me to stay tightly hopeful this time around

u know, we got the perfect storm for this bill to pass with the current situation

especially if the local proposals get a GREEN YES from voters before this comes to light in 2009:D

maybe its just wishful thinking, but I say with Obama in office, ONDCP will have to at least "change" the way it does business

Obama said he will order a review of all government spending from TOP to bottom eliminating the unnecessary ones and the non-working ones, i would assume this will include the "war on drugs". who knows, all i can do is to wait n see, however, im 120% certain mccain wont even consider this an issue, its already resolved for him as it is...

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Originally Posted by flyingimam

Obama said he will order a review eliminating the unnecessary ones and i would assume this will include the "war on drugs".

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But, that would mean ruining all of Joe Biden's hard work.

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

But, that would mean ruining all of Joe Biden's hard work.

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it shouldn't matter, if he reviews everything from top to bottom and halt the inefficient, ineffective and unnecessary programs (should he become the next prez) many hard works and too many politicians will get ruined, joe biden is just one of them

information we have on marijuana and the way our drug war has failed, should be very clear signals that there is some major change needed in the way govt looks at drugs especially mj

I dont see why changing positions or reversing ways is hypocritic or wrong as long as its a correction.

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Originally Posted by flyingimam

it shouldn't matter, if he reviews everything from top to bottom and halt the inefficient, ineffective and unnecessary programs (should he become the next prez) many hard works and too many politicians will get ruined, joe biden is just one of them

information we have on marijuana and the way our drug war has failed, should be very clear signals that there is some major change needed in the way govt looks at drugs especially mj

I dont see why changing positions or reversing ways is hypocritic or wrong as long as its a correction.

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Well, as long as the politicians listen to the scientists. As of now, Obama equates cannabis with morphine, which is wrong.

It could be a long while, before he would even approach that subject. I don't think learning about our physiological system is near the top of his priority-list.

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

Well, as long as the politicians listen to the scientists. As of now, Obama equates cannabis with morphine, which is wrong.

It could be a long while, before he would even approach that subject. I don't think learning about our physiological system is near the top of his priority-list.

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I hope our rights are!!!

look, im not obama nor am i his spokesman, but rationally thinking about it when he says he will eliminate stupid spending, or inefficient spending, one of the most admittedly inefficient programs by all accounts is the war on drugs. it doesn't mean it will stop, but there definitely is some desperate need for change in the way its conducted. Jailing people and labeling them as criminals for addiction is a really old way of thinking, some countries in europe have made it clear that they do not count addicts as criminals but people with a problematic trait who need help, not punishment

despite all the facts, even the drug czar had to lie about this and said that no1 goes to jail for a joint, but we all know thats a lie, guess why he had to make it, cuz it totally doesnt make any sense to do such a thing, at least he had to lie under pressure to keep a good face

funny this thread is trackbacked to another website:D

"This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced bills go first to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills never make it out of committee. Keep in mind that sometimes the text of one bill is incorporated into another bill, and in those cases the original bill, as it would appear here, would seem to be abandoned. [Last Updated: Nov 6, 2008]"

This bill, not even in committee yet, really doesn't go far enough in decriminalizing. It'd still be illegal to grow, which is required to possess. It is a start though...

Decrimializing pot would be one of the top 5 best thing to ever happen in my lifetime.. AND 3.5 ounces/100grams I WOULD BE SO HAPPY!!! please support this and put a permanent end to all unessasary arrests for cannabis consumers!!

Anyone willing to start a movement?.. The time is now.:rastasmoke::hippy::rasta::jointsmile::thumbsu p:

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Originally Posted by anbesol

Im nervous about sending my name and email out since i grow. if i didnt i would put my name up. im SCARED! lol

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Just so you know feds look at this page! So stating you grow illegally will put a bigger target on you than making the phone call. You can be tracked down from the boards. So for your own safety never post that your a grower!

My senators office knows me by name now. There is no such thing as "to much" when talking about how much to advocate for the cannabis.

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Originally Posted by flyingimam

well u r right, i would assume these are things that will be brought up into attention while the bill is being worked up

the main thing really is a "political will" to go for this all the way... the rest are details that will eventually be ironed out... if personal possession becomes legal/decrimd, soon seeds cultivation must follow or perhaps something in regards of distribution must be done. meanwhile i highly doubt this will have any measurable impact on crime rates the way they are calculated...

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In my opinion, GoddessHerb is one hundred percent correct. Things seldom just "work themselves out". Without initially addressing the issues of production and distribution, almost ALL of the ills that prohibitionists attach to use but which are actually the direct result of prohibitionist policy will still be present. They will have plenty of ammunition with which to convince the sheeple to then AGAIN criminalize the drug.

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It says "(did not happen)" on that site for the Medical one. Does that just mean hasn't happened yet or what?

For all those who are tight asses pay attention. We are not here to hurt anyone, we have jobs, pay our taxes and on a daily basis do all the right things. I just have 1 question why is it ok that alcohol is legal but marijuana is not. People die everyday from alcohol weather it be in car accidents, overdoses, or liver disease and this is ok but Marijuana who never harmed anyone is not legal. This is puzzeling to me, what is the worstthing that could happen tight asses we get hungry and eat a little more, or we become more friendly, um can someone tell me how this is harmfull? Ciggeretts are legal but they cause cancer, hmmmmmm. Do you people understand where i am comming from? The government wants to stimulate the economy, well here is an idea legalize medical marijuana, put a tax on it and i bet you this would definitely help the economy. For the non believers, take a real poll with real americans and you will see that alot more people smoke marijuana than you think. Most of these people are well respected people who are doctors, lawyers, and teachers. In my opinion there are much worse things to worry about in life and marijuana never hurt anyone so i just don't see the reason it is not legal. Please someone challenge me on this and i will come up with a rebuttle for everything you have.

You do realise you're on a pro marijuana forum right?
Write to your politicians instead of us, they're the ones that need to be convinced, not us. Write them and tell them how it can help the economy. Do your part mate, GO MAN GO!

called and talked to them. talk about nerve racking. ha. well worth a minute or two with the Man.

lets get it done!

i'm glad its finally been done. i visit norml frequently and i've sent emails to the reps for medical marijuana in texas and for the decrim of 2 oz or less. i got a letter in the mail from the representative thanking me for taking interest in HB 902 the one for medical marijuana in texas. i was very surprised to say the least.

i'm glad its finally been done. i visit norml frequently and i've sent emails to the reps for medical marijuana in texas and for the decrim of 2 oz or less. i got a letter in the mail from the representative thanking me for taking interest in HB 902 the one for medical marijuana in texas. i was very surprised to say the least

edit house bill 902 is for the decrim of marijuana in texas. sorry

you might want to read up on that bill again.

here is the first part of it:

81R639 CAE-D

By: Dutton H.B. No. 902



A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

AN ACT
relating to the penalties for possession of two ounces or less of
marihuana and to the issuance of an occupational driver's license.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 481.121, Health and Safety Code, is
amended by amending Subsection (b) and adding Subsections (c) and
(d) to read as follows:
(b) An offense under Subsection (a) is:
(1) a Class C misdemeanor if the amount of marihuana
possessed is one ounce or less, except as provided by Subsection
(c);
(2) a Class B misdemeanor if the amount of marihuana
possessed is two ounces or less but more than one ounce;
(3) [(2)] a Class A misdemeanor if the amount of
marihuana possessed is four ounces or less but more than two ounces;

from what i can gather, it says that 1 oz. or less will be a class C (fine of up to $500 with no chance of jail time) but more than 1 and less than 2 is still a class B.

at least that's what i gather from it.

and there is no bill in the texas house of reps. for medicinal marijuana. there is HB 164, which protects doctors that recommend a patient use cannabis as a medicine.

here is the entire bill.


A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

AN ACT
relating to the medical use of marihuana.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 481.121, Health and Safety Code, is
amended by adding Subsections (c) and (d) to read as follows:
(c) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under
Subsection (a) that the person possessed the marihuana as a patient
of a physician licensed to practice medicine in this state pursuant
to the recommendation of that physician for the amelioration of the
symptoms or effects of a bona fide medical condition.
(d) An agency, including a law enforcement agency, of this
state or a political subdivision of this state may not initiate an
administrative, civil, or criminal investigation into a physician
licensed to practice medicine in this state on the ground that the
physician discussed marihuana as a treatment option with a patient
of the physician or made a written or oral statement that, in the
physician's opinion, the potential benefits of marihuana would
likely outweigh the health risks for a particular patient.
SECTION 2. Subchapter B, Chapter 164, Occupations Code, is
amended by adding Section 164.0525 to read as follows:
Sec. 164.0525. MEDICAL USE OF MARIHUANA. A physician may
not be denied any right or privilege or be subject to any
disciplinary action solely for making a written or oral statement
that, in the physician's professional opinion, the potential
benefits of marihuana would likely outweigh the health risks for a
particular patient.
SECTION 3. The change in law made by this Act applies only
to an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act.
An offense committed before the effective date of this Act is
covered by the law in effect when the offense was committed, and the
former law is continued in effect for that purpose. For purposes of
this section, an offense was committed before the effective date of
this Act if any element of the offense was committed before that
date.
SECTION 4. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.


i like the attitude and enthusiasm. i hope you put it to good use in the fight to either get medicinal marijuana or to get it decriminalized!


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Originally Posted by veggii

this is why cannabis is still illegal,most everyone in the US is
too scard to stand up and say "I want legal cannabis!".
we have to tell our congress or it will stay illegal.


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agreed. Thanks for the heads up man. Sent a letter. I will be calling tomorrow.

if i'm not mistaken that bill no longer is on the books. it was proposed in a previous session of congress. any bill not passed into law are taken off of the books.

often it will be reintroduced by committee members but it will be under a new number.

you can keep track of them here.


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Originally Posted by headshake

if i'm not mistaken that bill no longer is on the books. it was proposed in a previous session of congress. any bill not passed into law are taken off of the books.

often it will be reintroduced by committee members but it will be under a new number.

you can keep track of them here.


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Well that's depressing and very discouraging to those (including myself) who tried a number of times to get in contact with these congress men and women to get our point across.

Ugh.

The newest version of this bill is HR 2943.

H.R. 2943: Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

thanks dadrone! good looking out!


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just doing my part to keep this at the top of message boards
has this bill gone through?
id like to see if it is and i would like to see my own government do something similar as my mam is a "patient" only weed is illegal in any form here i had a joint taken off me a couple of weeks ago lol
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Just sent a message to my rep and I'm crossing my fingers! Also told a few friends about it and they sent messages to our rep, so I've done my part for sure :dance:

Anyone know the current status of this bill?

If no one knows the status here cannachrist, can you find it out for us???:D your pretty good a googling things;););)

Key phrase ppl: It
also would not affect any state or local laws and regulations.

I'm not trying to be a bummer, nor am i a foe of legalization. However, this bill is a waste of time. And we all know none of us actually believe the "domino" effect theory that the opposition believes in... you know the whole legalize this, n this is next, then before you know it heroin is legal.

This is a patronizing bill. Support it if you wish... it would be a great moral victory. However, just remember not to stop there. Too often the drug policy reform movement gets complacent. But worse not taken seriously by society in general. This bill feels like an attempt to shut us up. Okay here ya go... since no one has been charged with a federal crime for mere possession in who knows how long. smoke n mirrors, or should i just say, mirrors lol. it's like our "universal" health care that doesn't even have a public option. great job government... way to drop the ball on that one.

We need to push for decriminalization of all intoxicants... one package deal. What a person puts in their body is their own choice... and no country OR state should be able to say anything about it. Not to mention the War on Drugs money should be spent building State Funded rehab facilities... if ppl actually cared about addicts, and really wanted to help them, this would be the route, not throwing them in jail and taking away their voting rights... at the very least we as a movement should start by pushing that all drug "crimes" even transportation and such, have their felony status removed.

it is a joke, that a guy whom a large group of people watched bash another mans (who wasn't fighting back nor wanted to fight, and was already knocked out) head into the ground 10 times... can only be facing 5 to 10 years. whereas, had he simply been caught with say cocaine, he'd be facing 15 years. That just shows you how America thinks... we want to prevent violence, so that's why drugs carry such crimes... yet clearly that's not working... violent ppl exist because our culture and society is sadistic and resentful and not capable of social understanding and acceptance. That's why ppl cheer on murder... or root for the bully to "teach that guy a lesson for having an opinion, or behaving in a way we didn't wish" and then lie to the police to protect. An entire group remained silent or lied. Great job guys... yet that same group would call the police in a second if they saw a car in their bowling alley parking lot who they thought were selling drugs.

That's American Society. And the politicians on the left exhibit 1 Barack Obama... are worse than the ones on the right. The ones on the right we know are against us. The ones on the left at best look at our movement as an embarrassing cousin at a family get together, and at worst... do what they can behind the scenes to shut us up.

Keep up the good fight. I just think we need a new strategy. Fight fire with fire ppl. Give the conservative forces in this country an inch and they will make sure you never smile again. This bill while it may look nice... has no real legal consequence. It is a sign that we are gaining momentum, however this is an attempt to steal that momentum... either by having it pass and mean nothing, or having it fail and appear as a huge loss, tho it isn't.

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Originally Posted by jamessr

If no one knows the status here cannachrist, can you find it out for us???:D your pretty good a googling things;););)

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I'll check upstairs. The big guy knows.:)

This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session. :wtf:

Screw asking your representatives to support this bill, TELL THEM TO ! also tell them that you will check their votes to see who you can vote OUT.

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Originally Posted by kingderock

For all those who are tight asses pay attention. We are not here to hurt anyone, we have jobs, pay our taxes and on a daily basis do all the right things. I just have 1 question why is it ok that alcohol is legal but marijuana is not. People die everyday from alcohol weather it be in car accidents, overdoses, or liver disease and this is ok but Marijuana who never harmed anyone is not legal. This is puzzeling to me, what is the worstthing that could happen tight asses we get hungry and eat a little more, or we become more friendly, um can someone tell me how this is harmfull? Ciggeretts are legal but they cause cancer, hmmmmmm. Do you people understand where i am comming from? The government wants to stimulate the economy, well here is an idea legalize medical marijuana, put a tax on it and i bet you this would definitely help the economy. For the non believers, take a real poll with real americans and you will see that alot more people smoke marijuana than you think. Most of these people are well respected people who are doctors, lawyers, and teachers. In my opinion there are much worse things to worry about in life and marijuana never hurt anyone so i just don't see the reason it is not legal. Please someone challenge me on this and i will come up with a rebuttle for everything you have.

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UHH, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.:rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by CannaChrist

This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session. :wtf:

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H.R. 5843 [110th]: Act to Remove Federal Penalties for the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults (GovTrack.us)

isn't there something akin to this in limbo now?

I'll tell you where I stand and how to win any argument with the Prohibitionists.
See my online video here at cannabis.com or at my site Let's Talk About Pot, and Marijuana, anc Cannabis, and their Medical Uses
I want to help
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