Well sucks for Daal....as far as I know we don't have any ancient Israelites on the forums so...I think he's screwed as well.
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Well sucks for Daal....as far as I know we don't have any ancient Israelites on the forums so...I think he's screwed as well.
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So let me just make sure I understand this correctly Daal. I wasn't born in Israel, and to the best of my knowledge I have no blood ties to Israel whatsoever. Therefore, I'm shafted. Correct?
man, im getting sick of people treating the bible as the word of GOD. IT IS FAR FROM IT!
how can it be when, as i stated before, the roman catholic church burned libraries simply because they contained such things as gnostic texts, and pagan works?! they attempted to snuff out all contrary spiritual writings so that everyone would more or less be forced to swallow their version, furthermore when the bible is, and was written by hands of man, where in hte world did GOD play in?!?
they were using religion as a form of control, just like many other religions!
the original Judiasm, the faith jesus put his life into, is not even taught anymore, so how can WE know what jesus ACTUALLY meant and wanted???
everything destroyed and not included in the bible can and probably would change just about every "prophecy".
JUST because you can quote the bible doesnt mean the bible can speak the word of god through you or anyone else.
YES, there are meaningful and important things written in the bible, and YES it is a good place to start on improving yourself in the world, but NO, it IS NOT ABSOLUTE.
in my most honest and heartfelt opinion, the bible thumpping offends me. be more creative and try to think for yourself please.
i am not trying to offend anyone, but for christ's sake, the bible isnt even the word of christ himself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (insert more exclaimation here)
lol actually i like this one:
put down the bible before someone gets hurt. :jointsmile:
didnt mean to be so harsh anyone, but dayum!
daal you said everything you stated was the truth and not interperted
so where did this info come
now who are the saints? Israelites. Who are the Israelites? The so-called NEGROS, WEST INDIANS, and LATIN AMERICANS of theAmericas. People with Negroid/Indian descent..THEY are the lost 12 tribes of Israel.
Negros of America - TRIBE OF JUDAH
Negros of the Carribean - TRIBE OF BENJAMIN
Negros/Indians of Puerto Rico- TRIBE OF EPHIRIM
Negros of HAITI - TRIBE OF LEVI
Native Americans - TRIBE OF GAD.
and so on and so forth...it goes to all 12 tribes of Israel.
if you arnt isreally your in hell
im confused
"As far as Sociology is concerned, we must either abandon our reason or abandon Christ. He is pre-eminently, the prophet of unreasonâ?? the preacher of rabble-rabies. All that is enervating and destructive of manhood, he glorifies, â??all that is self-reliant and heroic, he denounces. Lazarus, the filthy and diseased vagrant, is his hero of heroes; and Dives the sane, energetic citizen, is his 'awful' example of baseness and criminality. He praises the "humble" and he curses the proud. He blesses the failures and damns the successful. All that is noble, he pervertsâ?? all that is atrocious he upholds. He inverts all the natural instincts of mankind and urges us to live artificial lives. He commands the demonization of virtues that aggrandize a people, and advises his admirers to submit in quietness to every insult, contumely, indignity; to be slaves, de-facto. Indeed, there is scarce one thought in the whole of his Dicta that is practically true."
what if i am proud to be humble?Quote:
Originally Posted by maxsuperdanks
Just because something is comforting, doesn't make it true............................
Sooooo.........what makes all this true again? I'm still trying to figure that out. Is it because it's written in the bible, and therefore automatically true? Where is the reasoning behind this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daal Curry Surprise
ooooooooh ok, I get it now. I'm screwed because I'm not black or Native American, gotcha. Well damn, I didn't know that when I was being conceived that I was going to be forced into a life of slavery once the world comes to an end. So how come I had no say in any of this? How's that fair? The whole "sins of the father" business doesn't really fly with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daal Curry Surprise
The Roman Catholic curch is a false idol. you have all the right commitment in all the wrong places.
Look not to the works of corrupt men, but to the true bible.
The WORD of god is not written or spoken, it is in the every action ofLIFE.
Nature is the true bible, Earth our true god, death, the true son of god.
the sun, our god's god, the unvierse, heven.
When we die, we return to the earth, and some day, when the earth is in the final days of it's life, it too will return to heven and conjoin withit's god at the center of the galaxy where thecycle starts anewwith new lessons to learn and new people.
Look to nature for the answers to life's questions, not to corrupt works of manipulative men.
So, Daal. Are you an israelite? And if so hows it feel up there on your soap box?
To the best of my knowlege I'm not one of the chosen in any way and so I'll be punished for the sins of some unknown forefathers just because I had the misfortune to exist. Well if all this is the will of god then wasn't it his will that the israelites be enslaved in the first place?
And once they get their comupance and reign over us all will the cycle start again? Is that all the earth has to look forward to? An endless cycle of slaves and masters, is that gods plan for his children?
I guess every kid has his favorite toys huh.
Also how can anyone be so sure that their ancient collection of dusty papers is the right one, the one signed off on by the almighty? The bible, the torrah, the koran, the rig veddah (spelling?), the book of mormon, scientology, im sure there are many others that i'm woefully unaware of.
So i'm sure i can look forward to another of daal's longwinded posts to show me how wrong i am, but i think i'll live my life the same as i always have.
And just because i disagree with you doesn't mean i don't care about ya. Peace all. :D
Can't really think of faith as a colour can we, cause there's nothing you can do to change your colour, it's part of who you are... but you don't HAVE to be christian or believe in a different religion or be atheist etc. its your choice. They're pretty differentQuote:
Originally Posted by psteve
coming from a boy who knows nothing about true spirituality, naturally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daal Curry Surprise
it takes a boy to recite bullshit in the bible, but a man to know the difference.
no offence intended, but i do firmly believe that the truly spiritual content of the bible can be found everywhere, not just in the Roman Catholic Pharisees' book.
Just because a bunch of manipulative Romans wrote about god and jesus doesnt mean a lick of what they wrote is true or even in proper context to true reality.
I do believe the bible is useful when taken with a grain of salt, but not when it is promoted as absolute truth. could you PLEASE scale it back a bit daal? im sure you have a lot going on in your mind, but if you cant convince us with anything other than the bible, then you have NOTHING more to say.
the creator and the creation are one and the same, do not forget this, Daal.
and when people who preach that people cant stand the truth, the preacher, too, cannot stand the truth. again, please remember that.
hahaha YAAAAY!!!! you misunderstand me, my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daal Curry Surprise
you jsut came out and said it without using the damn bible as reference point. that's all i asked.
i jsut hate reading about paul 15:6947, roman 5823894:6238, and peter random # here:random # here. you dont need to quote the bible to point out the catholic corruption, just give an example of a catholic compared to, say, a wiccan, or bhuddist.
imsorry if i provokedyou much, but i just didnt see why it was so neccesary to include all the got dang scripture!
first stalin was the anti-christ... then hitler... then saddam... now obama... i guess if people keep calling someone the anit-christ they are hoping to eventually get it right one time.
the entire book of revelation was not even originally accepted as scripture when the first unified Bible was decided upon... so the bible was made and then awhile later they were like... yeah lets throw it back in... even if i believe the bible i would probably have some strong doubts as to the wisdom of building theology off a book that didn't even make the first cut and had controversial authenticity.
that is just me though... i respect anyone's right to believe what they would like.
This is how I see it as well. What did the Isrealites do that they deserved their slavery? Now that they've been punished, they deserve to be on top again so they can have everyone else be their slaves? Then after that they will be slaves yet again because of the way they treated those who were being punished?Quote:
Originally Posted by Esoteric416
Why not do something to try and get us all to become one? Punish those who are evil and save those who are righteous? I'm a man who has love for all people. I see how the people in power are blind to the kind of suffering they cause and have no remorse because of it. Yet since there is nothing I can do about how they treat people, I'm suppose to be punished for it?
If God was all knowing, surely he would know of a better way to lead his people. Not by punishing them with cruelty and slavery.
I have some Native American ancestory. So does that mean I am saved? Although, that's only 12,000 of each tribe. So I could still be part of the righteous that are forced into a life of being treated cruel not because of coincidence, but because God thinks I deserve it.
When it comes down to it, the Bible was created by man. So how much of it is fully Gods word and not already interpreted only to be re-interpreted by someone like yourself?
you are most thorough daal... i respect that
Please.
First of all I am a former Christian who is very well versed in scripture so i believe I am qualified to answer this question.
I read in an earlier post that there was 1 antichrist. This is simply not true. Read the following passage from the book of 1 John and the Christian new Testament as a backdrop:
BibleGateway.com - PassageLookup: 1 John 2:18-27;
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichristâ??he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised usâ??even eternal life.
I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeitâ??just as it has taught you, remain in him.
- end quote
A few highlights from this passage:
1. "many antichrists have come"
2. regarding them, "They went out from us"
3. "It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichristâ??he denies the Father and the Son." It tells us plainly that there are many antichrists and then defines how to tell who the antichrist is, the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ. (Christ mean anointed one)
4. " I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray."
5. "This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us." Paul thought it was the last days because there was such a falling away from the faith, this was due to a group of people that was arguing against Jesus as Christ. This is WHO Paul defines as the Anti-Christ.
So, Anti-Christ is a position regarding the person of Jesus of Nazareth, and also a person who attempts to draw you away from belief that Jesus is the Christ. Will there be political and religious leaders who are enormously successful in leading people away from Christ? Absolutely. This may come a surprise to the reader, but those who do so are often doing so because of solid moral objections firmly grounded in rationalism.
As a former minister I spent an enormous amount of time in the bible during that 12 year period of my life. I was forced through the reading of scripture to dismiss it as full of internal contradictions and immorality imposed upon God. I have written more about my moral objections to Christianity here: My Objections to Christianity | Commentary on Society and Religion
As one who does believe in God (I would classify myself as a Deist Agnostic) I see the words and actions attributed to God in the Torah (Leviticus & Deuteronomy especially) as blasphemy.
While I agree with a large portion of the teachings of Jesus, he links himself inexorably to the Yahweh of the old testament and his laws. Taking these laws and new testament prophecies literally would result in horrors that go far beyond the horrors of radical Islam. They have in the past and unrestrained, they will again.
So, in regards to "THE Anti-Christ" as opposed to "Anti-Christs". I dismiss the new testament as myth, so I do not interpret it literally or believe that it has magical, future telling prophecies.
So, I never thought I would say this, but I am Anti-Christ by the biblical definition in 1st John. I see it as the only moral position in regards to Christianity since Christianity has so much immoral baggage and contradictions with morality and science.
If you get a chance, check out my blog at Commentary on Society and Religion
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Originally Posted by angelwire
The bible was written by romans who killed, maimed, and destroyed the works of all other people in the process, and you (maybe not YOU, but in general point of this...) call this the work of god? :wtf:
Wiccan was considered pagan, Gnosticism was denied, everything that was non-roman-catholic was attacked with a blood lust hatred.
and lo and behold the bible is born, centuries AFTER christ had come and gone.
The anti-christ is not someone who denounces jesus christ so much as it is someone who threatens the power of the roman catholic church.
They HAD to hint at an anti-christ to seem credible at the time.
Love and you will be loved, hate and be prepared to be scorned.
Believe in the works of LIFE, not the bible. the bible is a man-made abomination of the works of god, the works of LIFE.
The earth is my bible, the harvest, my Christ. God is the life within me and all things outside me.
I am going to make a prediction.
Obama will NOT be winning the election. He needs the ability to gather masses and have his power but free of accountability of BE PRESIDENT.
He will loss because he has made this so much about race and "other races" cant understand what its like to black. BLAH
He is stoking the The Black national fire and needs to cause division between races..
Anyways, my money on obama losing but gaining another "global" respected title or role..
He's not the Anit-Chirist, Dude! He is the real, actual second-coming of Jesus, and you better get on the Righteous side if you want to get raptured away to Heaven! You don't want to end up not voting for Jesus, do you? I mean, It's a secret ballot and all, but there really are no secrets from Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by illnillinois
Dude, turn off the MSNBC! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
Feel the tingle? That's how you know it's Jesus.
About any scriptures/text about an anti-christ:
I think it's more like a general way of describing to people the signs of what to look for to know when we're being misled. History repeats itself in so many ways, many variables change but the goal still remain roughly the same: absolute dominance of the world; perhaps power and control of the one-world government.
The anti-christ is probably just another term for a person or a group (political party, government, nation, etc.). There can be more than one at any time. In fact, you could think of it as varying degrees of the "anti-christ": anyone that exhibits increasing habits that correlate with what an anti-christ would want or do.
With more powerful and manipulative people/groups like that, the chances greatly increase for them to be in control. You could argue that the founding fathers of this country (free-masons and illuminati stuff) were anti-christs and that our system of government always has and always will be like that until it falls.
Instead of just reading about what might specifically happen in these repeating cycles and trying to guess at who will be the singular anti-christ, we should try to just be generally second guessing all our leaders (and ourselves) and thinking more for ourselves so that we can try to avoid the common "evils" that are present in every day life.
They just took that whole idea and applied it to Christianity to point out all the negative things that would come from an anti-christ to keep as many blind-followers of the faith as they can when the time comes to "test their faith".
To a certain degree, some of the things an anti-christ would be credited for doing seem awfully positive.... One world united in peace, no more cultural boundaries, no more conflicting religions or beliefs that lead to wars... all for logical peace-loving people that are free from the confines of their own self-righteous beliefs. For people to give up their own beliefs to follow the word/examples of an anti-christ it would be very similar to worshipping.
Some extremists may have also to be eliminated for it to work, of course. Can't grow good fruit when there's diseases and pests crawling all over everything right???
Maybe that's the whole point: for there to be absolute perfection, imperfect measures must be taken.... but that defeats the whole purpose, like a paradox. Perfection is unattainable; futile to pursue.
There will always be "anti-christs" for good and bad reasons, and there's nothing we can really do about it. Just do your best for yourself and your interrelations.
and then watch and notice the world around you..
Its not about color of Obama.. What you need to understand that the Anti Christ will pull power and will deceive the people.
The end times are near. AND NO i dont mean 2012. Damn sketchers, but it real and its happening.
And about the rapture, its real and WILL happen, I know im not going on the first round. I will be left behind, but I kind of want to, so I can witness it first hand..
Its interesting that his first reign will end in 2012 the year something is supposed to happen. But seriously the evangelicals just can't wait for the apocalypse and they constantly find dates. Sir Isaac Newton predicted the world would end in 2060 and he wasn't exactly a loony, being the foremost physicist and all.
Nope don't think he's the antichrist lol but I think the next 4 years will be different if he's elected ( shit even I'm brainwashed by that change he's promising)
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Originally Posted by Fugitive
one time sitting in jail doing a short stint, i came up with the year 2032..
but who am i?
People who believe in all this anti-christ bullshti are mentally ill, period.
'Faith − belief that is not based on evidence − is one of the world's great evils. It is analogous to the smallpox virus, though more difficult to eradicate.' - Richard Dawkins
your ignorance is excusable with me, but the deception that evil(devil, anti christ) doesn't exist is what the darkside wants you to believe..Quote:
Originally Posted by BritishHempire
its cool, your entitled to your opinion..
finnally! i'm sick of this shit hole called earth! lets go obama! lets see those four horsedudes!
Right? :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
I am at a point in my life where the only thing I KNOW for a fact is that I have NO FUCKING IDEA what is going on in this world. Our planet, our solar system, the Universe... :wtf:
I can speculate based on various reference material, research findings, theories, etc... but that does NOT mean that I am any more versed on the ACTUAL workings of "it all," relative to the next person.
The MORE I learn... the LESS I seem to understand.
If you claim that you KNOW what is lying underneath the most complex system of matter interaction in existence... then YOU have not done enough research.
I feel that I'm smart enough to admit how clueless I am. :stoned:
Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:
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Originally Posted by TheMetal1
not smart (not stupid mind you, however) but wise.
Wisdom is knowing
Intelligence is Knowledge.
Knowledge is fixed in time, an end from a means.
Knowing is a movement.
The truth is never fixed in time, but alive and moving.
If what you say is true, then it is a given: THE ANTI-CHRIST IS AL GORE:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Readytoride08
O__o or you!
I have read the bible...a LOT. And although I will admit I'm not one hundred percent sure, I am almost sure the anti-christ is not a group, it's a single, powerful, charismatic leader who of course gathers a large following. Then comes what the Bible refers to as the mark of the beast, which is a tattoo or computer chip or some sort of mark that identifies you as a follower of the beast, and without no one can get a job or buy or sell anything. Thats all just from memory though.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
Wrong. The Anti-Christ is not a foil to Christ Himself. And the Bible is not similar to the Buddhist concept of Mara, especially when applied to Jesus. The vast majority of Christians believe that Jesus was literally God, but he had a human nature that naturally led him to want to fuck and drink and steal and all that. But according to the bible, Jesus never gave in to his human nature, he never sinned. The Anti-Christ is a tool of the devil that will be used to secure Satan's stronghold over this earth, for a period of one thousand years. The only 'reason' I can think of that people would legitimately think Obama was the Anti-Christ is that the Bible says the AC will be a strong, bold, and very popular leader who promises to change the world. Or else it's all the Bible clutching, gay hating, ignorant ass Christians such as the ones in my family that are just throwing that out there so they wont have to have a black man for president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iambreathingin
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Originally Posted by pinkyslayer
what, in the bible, can be historically proven? what evidence remains that anything written in the bible was true?
i mostly agree with it's GENERAL idea of live your fellow mand and what not, but the history of the bible remains irksome to me.
IF there's an anti-christ, what evidence can a potentially fictional story provide?
Obama is not the anti-christ or Mavis. Neither is Bush or McCain. In fact no one is.
Besides, everyone always thinks the anti-christ is going to come in THEIR lifetime. Remember when Regan was the anti-christ? How about numerous popes? This is as factual as the bible code.
Also, I think I'd make a pretty good anti-christ.