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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by melodious fellow
Congress, not congress giving Bushy Jr. permission, but Congress itself must declare war.
The correct term is "police actions"
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002
GovTrack: H. J. Res. 114 [107th]: Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Vote On Passage)
If you want to consider this a Police Action....great.
Have a good one!:s4:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Yes, the president has command over the armed forces and can deploy them to Iraq is he chooses. So yes, he has the authorization for use of military force against Iraq or anyone else he chooses.
That however, is not a declaration of war. That is all I was asserting. Ron Paul discussed this and put the term "police actions" one some of his brochures.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the exclusive power to declare war, in the following wording:
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
Five wars have been declared in American history: the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Spanish-American War, World War I and World War II.
American presidents often have not sought formal declarations of war, instead maintaining that they have the constitutional authority, as commander in chief (Article Two, Section Two) to use the military for "police actions".:admin1::chainsaw::rambo::s4::gunfighter2 ::gunfighter2:
In 1973, Congress passed the War Powers Resolution, which requires the president to obtain either a declaration of war or a resolution authorizing the use of force from Congress within 60 days of initiating hostilities. Its constitutionality has never settled, and presidents both Democratic and Republican have repeatedly either ignored or criticised it as an unconstitutional encroachment upon the President.
Since World War II, Congress has formally authorized all the major military engagements that the US has undertaken. (Vietnam, Lebanon, Panama, Persian Gulf War, Afghanistan, and Iraq.)
Some legal scholars maintain that all military action taken without a Congressional declaration of war (regardless of the War Powers Resolution) is unconstitutional; however, the Supreme Court has never ruled directly on the matter.
War Powers Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Because checks and balances do not exist. The Supreme Court will not rule on the matter because they are appointed by the same idiots who engage in these police actions.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
So Congress knew exactly what they were authorizing when they passed that bill. Ya have to remember, even before the Bush terms these same dems in congress were on record stating that Sadamm was a threat with intentions on getting WMD's.
Back to the thread.....it's good to hear that we have these assclowns on the path defeat.:thumbsup:
Have a good one!:s4:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
why put this stuff on cannabis.com lets talk about weed not war!
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
psycho4bud as i read this entire thread you continuously took every word out of my mouth - i agree with everything you say! great find.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
this is why im going to go start a new civilization on another planet soon, i need some women so sign up
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
I was born in 'meriKa, land of cheesy GIF animation.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by 88888888
why put this stuff on cannabis.com lets talk about weed not war!
Why not discuss current issues here? Would definatelly be inappropriate to be discussing ranching or sports in this forum.
(unless it was to highlight R. Pauls amorous encounters with small farm animals, or Billary's new hobby: Whitewater rafting in a blue dress) :jointsmile:
Simply put...this is where the big girls and boys meet, to stress about semantics.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Ya have to remember, even before the Bush terms these same dems in congress were on record stating that Sadamm was a threat with intentions on getting WMD's.
Yeah, based on good ol' Bush brand (tm) 'intelligence'.
Don't forget that the CIA was already in Bush's pocket BEFORE he was elected.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Anybody seen any WMD's? I think saddamn lost his WMD's.
WMD's another ecclectic word to add to War on Terror, just less ridiculous!
Peace,
Denial
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by psteve
Yeah, based on good ol' Bush brand (tm) 'intelligence'.
Don't forget that the CIA was already in Bush's pocket BEFORE he was elected.
Oh well. Since there was no intelligence during the Clinton years, I guess we had to rely on the Bush intelligence.
As there is still no intelligence coming from the Clinton Machine, perhaps she could add Ron Paul to her ticket. (Dems seem to love his intelligence)
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Originally Posted by denial102
Anybody seen any WMD's? I think saddamn lost his WMD's.
WMD's another ecclectic word to add to War on Terror, just less ridiculous! Denial
Awww...did someone forget to do their homework?
Saddam Pursued Nukes - Newsmax.com
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by psteve
Yeah, based on good ol' Bush brand (tm) 'intelligence'.
The Dems were stating this during the Clinton years. What does it have to do with Bush? You can't blame G.W. for comments made BEFORE he even hit Washington.
Have a good one!:s4:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
The Dems were stating this during the Clinton years. What does it have to do with Bush? You can't blame G.W. for comments made BEFORE he even hit Washington.
Have a good one!:s4:
Who says I'm talking about w?
Hw has controlled the cia since the Reagan days.
P.S.
Did I say Clinton was any better?
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Has anyone ever thought about the fact that we are the only country ever to nuke anyone?
Maybe Canada should invade us since we have Weapons of Mass Destruction.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
And we should believe a few reports from the only generals left that Bush hasn't shitcanned for telling the truth, hell yeah, feed me, feed me. Lets see, a trillion bucks soon to be 2 trillion, 4,000+++ Americans dead, 30,000 seriously wounded, 12,000+++ minus body parts or with traumatic head injuries, a million Iraqis dead, A country poisoned by DU and cancer spreading like wildfire, Hell yes it was worth it, after all aren't the US oil companies about to lock up the Iraqi oil fields and charge us 3.00+++ a gallon for gasoline, Hooorahhh, Come get some.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by medicinal
And we should believe a few reports from the only generals left that Bush hasn't shitcanned for telling the truth, hell yeah, feed me, feed me. Lets see, a trillion bucks soon to be 2 trillion, 4,000+++ Americans dead, 30,000 seriously wounded, 12,000+++ minus body parts or with traumatic head injuries, a million Iraqis dead, A country poisoned by DU and cancer spreading like wildfire, Hell yes it was worth it, after all aren't the US oil companies about to lock up the Iraqi oil fields and charge us 3.00+++ a gallon for gasoline, Hooorahhh, Come get some.
Nice rant. Perfect balance of inuendo and gossip, seriously lacking in truth, and quite off-topic. Your (in my opinion...childish) rant adds nothing to the conversation, is not sourced, and shows the Optical Rectitis you likely suffer from. At least you folks are running-up your post counts. Perhaps someone else is impressed. I, am not.
Cancer rates are skyrocketing, and DU is to blame. Yeah, thanks Doc....
Depleted uranium:
"At standard temperature and pressure it is a very dense metal solid. The primary civilian uses of DU are due to its very high density and include counterweights in aircraft, radiation shields in medical radiation therapy machines, containers for the transport of radioactive materials and shielding material in industrial radiography devices. The primary military uses of DU are also due to its very high density and include defensive armor plate and armour-piercing projectiles."
"Depleted uranium munitions are controversial because of numerous unanswered questions about the long-term health effects. DU is less toxic than other heavy metals such as arsenic and mercury, and is only very weakly radioactive because of its long half life."
One million Iraqi civilians killed...nice try.
Iraq Body Count
"Iraq Body Count is an ongoing human security project which maintains and updates the worldâ??s largest public database of violent civilian deaths during and since the 2003 invasion. The count encompasses non-combatants killed by military or paramilitary action and the breakdown in civil security following the invasion."
"Data is drawn from cross-checked media reports, hospital, morgue, NGO and official figures to produce a credible record of known deaths and incidents."
Whatever. Members come here looking for spirited debate with those that think from a different viewpoint, (operative word being 'think') and all that comes, are White Punks on Dope. No education, no sound reasoning, no proof. Like the nags on The View, parroting their own gossip in the hopes someone out there likes them.:jointsmile:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Nice rant. Perfect balance of inuendo and gossip, seriously lacking in truth, and quite off-topic. Your (in my opinion...childish) rant adds nothing to the conversation, is not sourced, and shows the
Optical Rectitis you likely suffer from. At least you folks are running-up your post counts. Perhaps someone else is impressed. I, am not.
Like the nags on The View, parroting their own gossip in the hopes someone out there likes them.:jointsmile:
I understand your frustration Rusty and it is warranted. However, I do not believe Medicinal's intentions were to jump into this discussion and make up facts to impress others or piss you off, and diagniosing him with Optical Rectitus seems a bit harsh.
He has probably heard those numbers cited elsewhere, in the news or on another website and was likely repeating what he heard.
The bottom line is that the truth is out there somewhere as to the body count, but we will likely never know this truth. Almost every reporting agency, newspaper etc has some type of agenda, whether that be making America look worse or making Bush look foolish or to merely prevent public panic, bending facts to sell more papers, or leaving out facts because someone in Washington said it is a threat to national security.
Regarding the depleted uranium, the long term health effects are unknown. A lack of study does not make something safe. In fact, it is one of the reasons they use to keep cannabis illegal. Possible long term health effects. They also use this to allow certain artificial sweeteners that have been proven carcinogenic in animals. No people have yet volunteered to be injected with the shit, so they say "tests have not confirmed carcinogenic in humans" because the tests have not been done. Perhaps if they studied all these more they would find that cannabis and depleted uranium are both safe and Splenda is not. Or maybe depleted uranium would be found to have long term health effects as well.
Did anyone by chance see my post below? lol
peace
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Kinda strange...They use depleted uranium in the medical field for shielding from radiation. (replacing lead? I wonder which is more dangerous?) It's also used in dental porcelain, pigments and glazes. Hmmm.
Also strange, are these folks freaking-out about the military using the super-dense DU for penetrating warheads, and it's "excessive radiation". Perhaps folks would rather we defend our troops with water cannons? The point of those warheads is to penetrate solid steel, and kill. No justification, no apologies. They were designed to kill those that would otherwise kill our guys-n-gals. DU is also used to clad tanks and troop haulers, offering a greater level of protection from RPG and missle attacks.
Again, in regards to the safety of DU:
Depleted Uranium and the IAEA
Since the advent of the nuclear age, there has been widespread use of uranium involving the mining of uranium ore, enrichment, and nuclear fuel fabrication. These industries have employed large numbers of people, and studies of the health of working populations have been carried out. The main risk to miners, and not just those involved in uranium mining, comes from exposures to radon (mainly Rn-222) gas and its decay products. A study of miners who worked in poorly ventilated mines at a time when the hazards of radon were not known and thus had been exposed to high levels of radon, demonstrated that this group had an excess of lung cancers and that the risk of cancer increased with increasing exposure to radon gas. Studies of workers exposed to uranium in the nuclear fuel cycle have also been carried out. There are some reported excesses of cancers but, unlike the miners, no correlation with exposure can be seen. The main finding of these studies has been that the health of workers is better than the average population. This "healthy worker effect" is thought to be due to the selection process inherent in employment and to the overall benefits of employment.
Regarding exposures to DU, there have been studies of the health of military personnel who saw action in the Gulf War (1990-1991) and during the Balkan conflicts (1994-99). A small number of Gulf war veterans have inoperable fragments of DU embedded in their bodies. They have been the subject of intense study and the results have been published. These veterans show elevated excretion levels of DU in urine but, so far, there have been no observable health effects due to DU in this group. There have also been epidemiological studies of the health of military personnel who saw action in conflicts where DU was used, comparing them with the health of personnel who were not in the war zones. The results of these studies have been published and the main conclusion is that the war veterans do show a small (i.e., not statistically significant) increase in mortality rates, but this excess is due to accidents rather than disease. This cannot be linked to any exposures to DU.
And yes, I do have little patience for those unwilling to search any deeper for the truth, than late-night comedians, editorial journalists, and peer pressure from jr. high dropouts looking to even the score with society for their own inadequacies, by pushing conspiracy theories and snide remarks that are unsubstantiated, untrue, and patently nonsensical. <takes deep breath>
Lack of intelligent reasoning or enlightenment, appears to be the new norm.
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by psteve
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
You can't blame G.W. for comments made BEFORE he even hit Washington.
Have a good one!:s4:
Who says I'm talking about w?
Hw has controlled the cia since the Reagan days.
P.S.
Did I say Clinton was any better?
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by psteve
Who says I'm talking about w?
Hw has controlled the cia since the Reagan days.
P.S.
Did I say Clinton was any better?
No, but didn't Clinton appoint his own people to that position? I think that people give the Bush family way to much credit. Hell, the first Bush was a one term wonder.
Have a good one!:s4:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
Terror!
Terror Threat!
Terroist!
Weapons of MASS destruction!
Believed to be linked to Al-Qaeda.........
:wtf:
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Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'
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Originally Posted by pisshead
Did you look at the articles you post?
This came from your first link: (the complete article, a couple of pages down) Written by: Souad N. Al-Azzawi Author of this article, too:
"The American administration still claims that the biological and chemical agents of hydrocarbon smoke of oil field fires in southern Iraq are the main causes behind the (GWS) and not the exposure to the DU" [2][4].
"The previously published data of the types and amounts of the chemical fumes and hydrocarbons that were released to Iraqâ??s environment in each Iraqi city due to the 1991 air raids and bombing [5] [6] proves that the areas of Taâ??meem, and Salahiddin were the most polluted cities due to the destruction of mines and huge material and armed forces industries. This resulted in the formation of SOx, NOx, and COx plumes and hydrocarbon smoke clouds. In addition to the pollution that resulted from the burning of thousands of rubber tires used to mislead Tomahawk missiles off their targets (Table 1)."
Written by: Souad N. Al-Azzawi Who authored this gem, too:
"Deterioration of women's rights in Iraq began during the US-UN comprehensive economical sanctions imposed on Iraqi during the nineties. In 2003, the invasion of Iraq by the USA and its allies resulted in the descent of the rights of women just like other elements in Iraqi society, infrastructure and the general quality of life."
Did you look-up what gulf war syndrome is?
Gulf War syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The stryker article contained one reference to DU, but nothing in the article mentioned problems with the low-level radiation affecting troops:
"The MGS will carry four types of ammunition: a depleted-uranium armor-piercing round, a high-explosive anti-tank round, a high-explosive plastic round for blowing through walls and barricades, and a canister round filled with 2,300 tungsten ball bearings for firing on enemy fighters.
I didn't bother checking the rest of your links, as the first two were apparently dismal failures on your part. Doing half-assed job Googling a subject, will give you a half-assed understanding, and can make ya look rather foolish, too.
