Red + Blue = Purple silly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Keep us updated Stealth, I'm interested in this :thumbsup:
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Red + Blue = Purple silly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Keep us updated Stealth, I'm interested in this :thumbsup:
You might be able to set the whitebalance in your cam. You have to use a white sheet of paper (or better slightly grey, but white will do) and take a reference picture for the camera of it under the pink light. The camera alters the colors accordingly, but the plants would still look dark, since there is no green in the spectrum :D
good idea rock,ill take a few babies out for pics.., as far as the nutes go...i got the 6 nute set from fox farm, using their soil too. they call for nutes at week one. its not for flowering, you got me as to why the call it big bloom, lol, but its for veg. tiger bloom is for starting flowering. just following their feeding chart man.lol. i have a buddy who used their line and had amazing results. and no man skirt here, lol...i wouldnt be on this site if i knew everything and had a sandy vagina....heh...im just trying to be the guy to let everyone know if these LEDs will change our growing habits. initial investment was kinda harsh, but will pay for itself after a harvest or two...the entire room only raised 3 degrees! and the room only pulls 450w..lights fans ozone and all. so either im out a BIT of money, or we will see a revolutionary grow...one of the two...lol
so i guess the grow intgrity will be fine for 2 min a week to pull one out for pics, or i may put a few regular bulbs in the room for photo sake. just turn em on for that. ill take some more pics when the lights come on and post em. heres a link for those nutes rock
http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/soilfeed.pdf
thanks for the help and comments guys,
and gal, (weedhound)
whiskeytango
ok, reason i assumed those are 'bloom' nutes?
i also use FoxFarms.
"Grow Big" in veg stage
"Big Bloom" in flwr. stage
so, the wording had me baffled. if its designed for veg, have at it.
as to your lighting and pix, a suggestion,,,
just a suggestion....
get 1x 26/100W (blue/daylighter) CFL, mount it in your grow area.
when u want to take pix, switch cfl ON, the LEDs OFF.
take your pix and reverse ur lighting back.
it'll get to be a PITA to be shufflin pots in n out just for pix.
plus, less chance of stressin em, if u move them less.
During the veg stage especially, they can definately take a decent level of abuse, but once u go to flwr, handle with care.:thumbsup:
hey man, i looked at that chart, same one i lost months ago.
here's my thinkin, FWIW
gotta go by the Nute levels. N-P-K
Grow Big (says right on bottle "for lush vegetative growth") and is 6-4-4 (strong N for veg)
Big Bloom is 0.01-0.3-0.7 and u do use more of this per dose than the Grow Big. (nearly no N)
thats my story and im stickin to it.:D
SnS, many people think it's wise to use a little bloom nutes during seedling growth. I do just fine without it at this point, but I'm using a 1 part granular mix that's supposed to have everything needed. I add some stuff though, CalMag and SuperThrive mainly, but they don't want hardly anything in their first 2 weeks except a little B1 of your choice.
A couple photo hints. Take your camera off Automatic mode and put it on Program. You should be able to force flash, providing you've popped up the flash thing. No matter what light is on it will make the plants green, mostly. Also you could take photos when the lights go out without a problem, and use a fluoro for lighting, or flash or both. Regardless of what people tell you, this will not make your plants turn hermie. Especially if you do it right after or before the lights are on. The plants are not so chronographically inclined that they would know the difference between 12 hours or 12 hours and 5 minutes of light. I've worked in my closet for hours at a time after lights out. Many times. No problems yet. It's good to see the purple LED color or actual color of any lighting system, but you ought to put in at least a couple photos of what the plants actually look like. It's kinda hard to tell when they are purple all over. If you do so, we still will consider it an all LED grow. Flash from photos does not count.
I am interested in what and how many nm the LEDs are in your lights. I would be surprised if there is more than 1 blue and 1 red, and I think LED lighting needs more than two if it's going to be as efficient as possible.
ill try the flash here in a few min and see if that works. i just didnt wanna hear anyone say it wasnt a true LED grow. and i thought i was following the chart, big bloom week 1, 2tbl per gal. just started the grow big last night.gimme a few min, and ill be back to post those pics
opie, ill have those specs for ya in the next post with the pics
Cool, and I would just keep following the chart. I think that should do wonderfully. I've always wanted to stick to the Fox Farm chart but I just didn't want to spend all that money. I think if you are successful I may try it, since I pretty much have all their stuff now, at least for hydro.
yeah man, my other grows worked GREAT following their schedule, and since i spent DOUGH on this grow....lol...it better work, i got all six soil nutes from fox farm, 7 bags of fox farm ocean forrest, and the beige pots i am testing roots organic soil. i figure if im gonna go out on a limb and do a grow like this, might as well go all out. didnt hurt that previous harvests paid for this set up....lol
ok one pic is out of the room
others with flash, ill try the construction paper behind them next. them if that doesnt work, we'll just put an incandescent blyb in there somewhere....do these look on time? they sprouted 7 days ago...stretching a lil?...first set of 5 leaves are starting out
thanks guys
whiskeytango
tried to edit to late i guess
oh and opie, 56 CREE* Xlamp high power LEDs 40 red 635nm, 16 blue 470nm, and im getting 4-5k lumens at eh base of all the pots. i know the lumen output is not rated the same as hid. more on that later
Ahhhh, pics are now within the thread... much better amigo! So are you gonna try the Liquid Light with the LEDs? That would be a LLLED thread? (Not to be confused with Opie's LSTTT thread...)
I'll be lurkin' here and chime in if I have anything useful to contribute...
MVP :jointsmile:
ill keep it in this thread when i try the LL. might wait to see how they are reacting with just the LEDs and nutes
Keep up the good work stealth.:thumbsup:
thanks dodo....lowered the lights about 6 in today. babies looked stretchy. first set of 5 leaflets comin out....yay...very close spacing though...dont know if its the light or strain yet, but the leaves are almost flat on each other. VERY lil space....could be a good thing :thumbsup:
whiskeytango
SnSstealth
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVP
lol....LLLED thread...:D
Well the flash helped a little I guess. Anyway they look about right to me for that age.
That's what I would have done. You can get 400w hid's a ft away if you control the heat. Because you reduced the distance about 30% you probably doubled the light intensity on the tops. Any closer and you'd probably start losing intensity at the corners. Thanks for sharing your grow experience.:thumbsup:Quote:
....lowered the lights about 6 in today.
ty pepper....i used an off white piece of foam to gauge how close i could get without the light seperating. 12in was about it. so i went from 24 to like 14. seem to be growing good, ill take a few more out of there for pics this sun. i dont know if its my eyes after being in there, but they look almost flourecent when taken out. definitely differant appearance than HIDs. but like i said, your eyes are fucked when you leave the room, everything has a green glow, like a green flashlight in a dark room. green haze....ironic?....lol
Someone's been smoking in the grow room ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
Hi SnStealth. As far as I understood you are growing with two procyon 100w kit.
How many plants are under procyons, how old are they? Show some up to date photos and prepare to listen to the rasta critics :rasta:
Hey cture,
We're using 3 Procyon 100's 2'x8' mylar sealed room. There are six 3 gallon pots below each light, 23 total plants (15 in pots 0n the 22nd, other 6 on the 25th) some of which are double potted. Photos on post 50 are from Sunday, I think once a week quite enough at this stage at least. using all Fox farm soils & nutes, plants are a little off due to never using a "rapid rooter" panel before so they went to pots a little early. Otherwise they're running strong. from what I've seen from yesterdays feeding Sundays pics should be nice!!!
Hope that helps in your attacks...lol
Doughboy
Glad to hear you man. Honestly speaking with this light you will be able to bring up 6 plants, even then you will yield no more ythan 50-100 grams . What we could do about it?
I heard you are goin to build your own ficture so it could be a great supplemental light to your procyons(imho they a are lols) you need to add up 420nm and 700nm diodes for the first period of time! Adding 420nm diode you will decrease internodal stretch, adding 700nm diode will create an Emmerson effect with 640s from proc. PM me
Thanks for the input but both for financial and for experimental reasons this grow will have only the three Procyons (not sure if we posted about addl. lights but i could be wrong, there are two of us here).
As far as inter nodal stretching is concerned, with 5-leafs sprouting average is about 1/8" to 3/16" between lower branches. And the testing that we've seen with THIS LIGHT do not seem to have any problem with that. this grow had some over watering/no instructions issues as stated w/ the rapid rooter that caused the cotyledons to stretch because they were planted early(I know I know dixie cups from now on).
we'll all find out in a short 3 months :wtf:
Doughboy
yeah, ive been growing for several years soil indoors, first LED but im very optimistic...think we'll be happy.....and someone has to do this for us all right?.....we've done our research as well, and it would be awesome to have awee bit more positive feedback cture. i havent found that this has been done yet to this extent, so know one really knows how this will turn out. but thanks for your imut man:thumbsup: and yes cma...i always smoke in the grow room:smokin: share the vibe with the babies
whiskeytango
yeah.. in the case of LED grows it's going to be quality over quantity or i'd feel like I was wasting the money for no reason :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
Thanks man, Love you! It's about time someone has a definitive example with a definitive answer!Quote:
yeah, ive been growing for several years soil indoors, first LED but im very optimistic...think we'll be happy.....and someone has to do this for us all right?
Well I have to say that it would REALLY help if you had photos that weren't pink so people could get a nice idea of the plants and see if there really is a difference in growth for one thing. It's hard to be supportive without really being able to see whats going on for themselves and see that there really is some sort of improved growth or not.
You also have to realize that while you may think it's a terrific idea to spend $1800 on lighting not EVERYONE is going to feel that way or be that excited about it for one simple reason. Most people can't afford that kind of money in one go and so won't be investing in that lighting anytime soon so don't really need minute (and pink) information on it (past hearing the price) unless these lights create solid gold buds or something.
Finally.....realize that not everyone grows or WANTS to grow the same way.....or even just one way. I personally don't like plants with really short internodes....its a darn hassle to get light to them evenly and I like big yields.
Stealth...you DO realize that you will NOT be recognized for your achievements until after you are dead. This is the price of genius....and I speak from personal experience. :D
I have 8 x 110 watts LED fictures 460nm and 620nm. 2x400HPS boulbs give better results then these 8. The main problem is SPECTRUM! I still INSIST on adding 420nm and 700nm LEDS withot these light waves you will receive result which isn't worth a 3 month time. I M H OQuote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
Keep the updates coming, the more pics the better.
I am curious about these LED's and don't expect mutant plants that yeild huge amounts, if I can get the same results that I currently do, it would be worth it for me.
Besides it just looks cool......:thumbsup:
Weedhound we'll get pics up soon they went to pots early and didnt think you could evaluate with just the cotyledons and the one leaf. They look much better now. Soon:D
Yes, we've givin alot of info. but i believe most of it was asked for. Long nodes are great for some strains and methods. I was responding to cture statement of "Adding 420nm diode you will decrease inter nodal stretch" and that we weren't seeing it.
If were overexcited than than thats just a product of being positive towards the grow. I dont know if anyone will ever do this however is it such a stretch that a grower using previous harvest monies to spend 600 dollars on one to try on different mediums. They did sell 17 others, so we may not be the only ones;).
sorry WH, get this one out of the way now:
Cture,
Again we appreciate your concerns and in the future will add or decrease other lighting, but WE DO NOT have money to spend on,nor giving out loc to receive in here, more lighting this go around. If its not worth it to you thats fine. This is an experiment, not a super grow house. And in talks with the builder there is a bit of fluctuation in nm in these lights. We are not scientists, please see greenpinelane dont mention MJ and they will discuss at length any of your concerns.
Thanks midlife. I guess we"ll start doing 2 pic sets a week to calm the salivation...lol. Will TRY to get that done today.
Our expectations are to nurture for a few months and smoke whatever comes off, thats it. No visions of grandeur( though WH may disagree:D)
Doughboy
SnSstealth
WH, does this statement mean that not only are u posting from the darkside, but also from the "other" side?????:wtf::wtf::wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Im backing you on this one stealth, I think they look great and i hope they are the biggest stinkiest buds around!! Keep it up:jointsmile:
i guess thats why they call them experiments...lots of people out there with questions pertaining to these LEDs. So someone has to get em, and grow with them right?...so we will all know? how can you tell me they wont work, when they havent been used yet. are your 8 110w LEDs class 2?
well heres some pics. like doughboy said i havent been posting the pics up more than once a week cause we had to pot the seedlings in the pots early. so all there were where the cotyldons. gots some for ya though.....and they arent all PINK!!!!.....lol thanks for the chiming in yall. and again cture......we will see....
whiskeytango
got the pic lighting thing WH, and im not looking to be the next jack herer, jorge cerventes, or ed rosenthal, who are all still alive, just trying to help answer everyone out theres one big question. Can LEDs grow comparatively? Thats all we are trying to figure out. No one else is doing anything to answer this for us, so we'll do it.:thumbsup:
i'm on board, they're not lookin' too bad to me.
Yes, Ive been dead for quite a while, it's just that no one noticed. :D
Stealth, we're a simple crowd here. We don't like long words and we love neat pictures. I personally do not understand the LED's too well so I don't have a lot of questions about them and I tend to glaze over when the talk about them gets technical......I'm not saying EVERYONE does this.....just me. ;)
Grows are never very exciting at the beginning......as you said. People don't want specs......they want results. You pop out a few super nice plants and I can GUARANTEE
people will be asking you questions right, left and sideways about your lights, your soil, etc.....That's what I mean about no recognition until LONG after you are gone.
When you turn them.....that's when you'll probably start seeing a bunch of nosy stoners sticking their heads and wanting to know whats going on. :D
Now I DO like those seedling photos.....and the seedlings look very happy and healthy with your lighting (and not pink so I can really see them....:thumbsup:)
Well the plants seem to like that LED-light....they didn't died...they look nice & healthy....;)
Good work so far SnSstealth....:thumbsup: (That color is crazy)
points taken...i really do appreciate everyone chiming in their ideas, points, opinions, (bellybuttons:thumbsup:) and Im sure im spewing alot, just excited about the whole LED thing. took ALOT for me to give up the HIDs..i KNEW they worked. but i also knew that until i KNEW if the LEDs worked, it would bug the shit outta me...so if cture is right, and i am doomed to fail, fine. but i will know. do pics every few days, till they really get moving...thinkin im gonna let them get 24in before flowering, going for like 6fters...heh
late:smokebong:
whiskeytango
I for one don't give half a shit what nay sayers have for opinions. I respect someone who is willing to dare to experiment.
:S5:
Rock on bro!
MVP
I'll second that!:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by MVP