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The last page especially talks specifically about Liquid Light and Rock Steady put some great info on it in there as well.
I've only used it once so far but will trying it again today. Could be my imagination but it DOES seem to be making a difference already
I will chime in on Dutchmaster, Reverese, Liquid Light and the Weedhound, a splendid one to behold, nice rep level hound;)
first, i will state i'm a dirty boy, soil only in my world:cool:
WH intro'd me to Reverse, by DM(thanks again WH, ur the best!):thumbsup:
during my 2nd grow, i made a modification to my setup that resulted in a lite leak which Hermied a cloned Female.
I ran out and got the Reverse, immediately.
the directions say use it 2 times in 10 days,
use once, wait 10 days, spray again, at any stage of growth, when you observe male traits (balls) appear. It states that it will STOP the male development. IT DOES.:thumbsup:
also, according to WH, it can be used at the beginning of the flower cycle, as a preventive measure. this would be assuming u have seeds of questionable origin(bagseed) or hermied origin.
I am currently working with some mystery red bagseed and sprayed when i moved to flower, so far so good.
Also, the Blue Russians I have running I treated with Reverse, as a simple preventive, just in case.
Results? Out of 3 beans sprouted, 1 showed Male early, goodbye. the 2nd was a Female and is thriving, the 3rd took weeks but finally showed weak male only genetics.
In my opinion, this is active proof that this product definately inhibits male genetics in plants. This is the only logical explanation for the 3rd plant taking so incredibly long to show any signs of sex at all, and when it finally did show sex, it was male, goodbye to him too.
now, about the Liquid Light.
My local retailer tried to push the LL when i picked up the Reverse during my Thai-hermie panic, but it wasnt in my budget. Opie's thread mentioned by WH, started me thinkin again about the product. I wont hyjack your thread with a lengthy write up on it, but i strongly believe this stuff works, read Opie's thread, its a worthy time investment,,,,well,,,,,if you want bigger, happier girls:thumbsup:
So, i'm impressed and fairly sold on the DM product line, from personal experience. I have no affiliation with DM, I paid money for it, just a happy customer.:D
as for the Weedhound,,,, This is a great person, and I like to say the first and best friend I have from this particular site. I value her info, honesty, friendship and great network of growheads she has.
i'm also not affiliated with WH, she's married;), but she's so cool, I had to give her props:thumbsup::D
33 days out and not a banana in sight. Is it too early to shout, Viva la Reverse!? I hope not.
hey Huntley, im 4 weeks in with Galina, and the last male that showed, was week 2 or 3,,,,,,your mileage may vary ;)
whats the strain?
Rock, my problems are almost specifically with a White Widow, which seeds came from Nirvana. The Reverse has definitely made a difference, but I'm sad to say upon close inspection this morning, nanners are starting to pop up again. They are still green and quite small, but they seem to be back. Now at 34 days out, I'm wondering how bad it's going to be in 22 days. Previously the nanners would have been all over, and easy to spot from a few feet away, but not this time. None of these have even turned yellow yet. At least now I know it's not a light leakage problem. Your thoughts?
Another characteristic of this WW is, at the end of every branch, at the tip of the last bud, is a tiny little tulip looking thing that is half light purple at the top, and half white at the bottom. Does this at all soundfamiliar to anyone? I'm getting so frustrated with this WW I'm on the verge of trashing every plant and starting over. None of the others give me this me trouble! I don't think anything is going to stop the hermies with this one.
My only thought is that oddly enough I saw some of what appears to be male flowers starting and I've been watching too. I picked a few off and studied them under a loupe but honestly could not be sure whats they were. I'm seeing it on one plant that.....interestingly I grew before, used Reverse on and there was not a single seed in the entire plant so I'm positive the Reverse works.
All I can say is...one...are you positive they are male flowers? Mine DO look suspiciously like.....but with magnification I honestly can't tell a thing so will continue to watch. I'm also going to spray an extra dose of Reverse myself tomorrow on said plant for some extra good juju and you may want to try this yourself. Are you using the penetrator? You should use that with it for sure. To be honest however I never did anymore than used it according to directions (two applications) and it worked just fine. In fact I SAW a male flower on one of my plants in my last grow and I totally blew it off....could't possibly be a nanner because I use Reverse so I completely ignored it.
I have a friend who's plants always hermie......he's finally tried the Reverse and says he's still having problems so whatever is going on there I can't say but I will say that up until my last grow.....when I discovered a light leak.....I never had a single plant hermie on me when I used Reverse EVER. And while I am looking at my OWN suspicious looking plants I'm going to withhold judgement until I see what develops. The stuff has always worked great for me and I have some serious faith in it.
Well, they sure look like male flowers, but I do have to use a magnifying glass to see them. No clusters of yellow flowers at this point.
I have three seedlings I grew from WW seeds from KindSeed. It will be interesting to see what happens with them. The fact there are so few nanners, and this late into flowering, I am a little encouraged. Also, only the WW seems to be affected this time, so more proof the Reverse does have some benefit. I still wish I knew what those little tulip looking things were.
Huntley, have you made it to the 2nd dosage, 10 days later yet?
i think/guess, that if its hermied and u give the Reverse a chance, according to directions, it 'may' bail u out.
its just a hunch, based on manufactures directions and my own logical deductions.
WH is really the expert on this product, but i would give it a chance to do its magic.
i will say that when i used it, the balls stopped and the ones that remained, easily were removed, without re-occurance.
ive got possibly the worlds healthiest male indica right now (5th leafset is 9-bladed and already growing nads in 20h veg)
can i use reverse to make it a girl?
please?
i'm afraid not hybrid. As far as I know the only thing Reverse will do is halt the growth of male flowers on a female plant. It won't change anything on a male plant at all. Rock said he thought it slowed regular male flowers but I think he just had a slower growing plant to begin with......I never saw it slow down (or change) the males I used it on before I went to female seeds. But it cerainly stopped ALL hermies in their tracks right up until I developed a continual light leak. I've gotten THAT stopped this grow but only time will tell for sure. :)
the only way Reverse will help is if its Hermied.
i'm afraid, if its a male,,,,,,,,its a male.
bugger....guess ill wait anothe week or two until the feminized sativas are flowerable.
get a couple dozen seeds with an early flowering maybe...much better than messing with clones
pS: i hate cloning, they either die, take forever to actually gain growth, or (in the case of my most successful) develop bad rusty-looking burns and grow really ugly extended 1-blade leaves out all over the place, making it look even stupider.
Rock, 2nd, 3rd and 4th!!
How do they look today Huntley?
dam dude, 4 x's already?
i agree with WH, how do they look today, progressing towards the weirdness, or stallin?
Everything looks fine from a distance, but when you get close you can definitely see them. Not in the same numbers I've seen before. Compared to the last time this is nothing. If it doesn't get much worse over the next 2 or 3 weeks, I might be ok.
any pix Huntley?
No pics at the moment. I need a camera with a lens better suited for close up work. This could be the nudge I need. As for the nanners, if I have to I'll harvest the WW early. Won't be the first time. The last time I did this it was much worse, but the smoke was excellent. Definitely worth keeping if you catch it early enough. Anything else I have will get a weekly spray of Reverse. Not sure increasing things will be much beter though. Hopefully the WW I grew from different seeds will be better.
Well that sucks and I'm sorry to hear it. I've been checking my stuff and everything has turned out to be either a calyx or a new leaf....none of what I saw before has turned out to be any nanners so far.
You are 100% sure that you don't have any even teeny equipment lights or anything that could be contributing to the issue......surge protectors or ANYTHING.
PS.. I have a white widow that I just started from seed.....she's less than a week old right now (a feminized seed) I will let you know how she does and whether or not she hermies in about four months. ;)
Weedhound, I have three WW seedlings, also from feminized seeds, and this time from a better company. They're only about 3 weeks old but I put one in the dark yesterday. I'm really anxious to see if there's a difference. We'll keep each other posted. None of the other varieties has been affected, at least not so far, and most are older than the WW. I'm going to keep a close eye on everything, though. When nanners start popping up, how long is it before they pose a threat to everything else? I would think Reverse would at least stop them in their tracks, at least that's the impression I've gotten.
I'm at the same stage I was at a few weeks ago with another WW, cloned from the same plant. It's just under 40 days, so if I harvest now I'll have the least amount of hermies and a pretty decent smoke. It will also help eliminate the chances of the others getting contaminated. And besides, I need the space. Damn, a problem even Reverse can't fix. On the bright side, though, not one hermie on any of the other plants.
Yes it's supposed to something like 99% effective unless you have some sort of continued stressor to the plant.
my ww is only about 2 weeks old so she's way too young to hermie.....yet. :D
I have two more WWs in 12/12, cloned from the same plant, that are about 3 1/5 weeks old, plus two more in veg. Although no nanners are visible yet, I am seeing the same tell-tale little tulip things again on the tips of each long bud. And since all the other signs are there, I can only conclude it's going to keep going hermie. Time to get out the clippers and make room for the new WW clones and seedlings, which are all from different sources. Right now everything new is just right to go to the flowering stage. If I let all of it get tall and leggy, waiting for nanners, when I know damn well they're going to pop up eventually , I'd feel pretty damn stupid. They might be goin' hermie but they sure look healthy. What a pity.
do you have any equipment in there with any lights? I'm sorry but all that reverse and hermies right left and sideways? There HAS to be something else going on. A very good friend of mine just used it on his grow and his stuff ALWAYS hermied......so far not a single seed from seven out of nine plants and hes quite happy with that.
You've got something else going on that's contributing somehow and I'd bet money on that. You must have some continous problem to keep coming up with hermies.....
WH, there is nothing at all with lights, and every other possible source is lined front and back with blackout curtains. I even nail the edges down with pushpins when I close everything up for the night. The fact I have not had this problem until now along with the fact only the WW seems to be affected, would lead me to believe it is in the plant
That is such a bummer.....I'll let you know how my WW does...whether she hermies or not.
I'm sorry it isn't working for you Huntley and I'm bummed to hear it as well because I just scored a big point with my other friend's grow and no seeds.
Someone told me I might be having problems with WW hermies because they're going from 400 watt lighting in the veg to 600 in the flowering. Is there any truth to this? On the brighter side, a friend gave me 6 WW cuttings a few days ago and six have sprouted. I guess we'll find out soon if it's genetics or environment.
I've never heard of lighting like that causing hermies.....my plants go from a 400wmh to a 1 kw HPS when I turn them to 12/12 and it's never caused an issue for me. And while I have heard of heat stress causing hermies it seems to more a temperature issue rather than a lighting thing.
Oh you know Weedhound, always one step ahead of everyone else. A leader. A teacher. A revolutionary. And no I don't work for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
I have to agree with you, WH. If it was a problem going from 400 to 600, then why does everything else get so fat! He he
To update the WW/hermie saga, I'm still seeing a few hermies but they look different this time - all shriveled up, maybe even dead. Maybe the curse is broken. I've started to use a little more Penetrator with the Reverse. I have WW from three different sources now. Something's gotta work!
they look shrivled up? Interesting.....I've heard that if you do get male flowers they are supposed to be sterile....please let me know if you get seeds in your grow.
WH, I know people that panic at the first sight of a nanner, but in reality, when do they actually start producing pollen that could infect the other plants? I'd like to push it as long as I can but I am a bit concerned. Thanks.
Thats an excellent question that I have no idea of the answer to. STINKY!! I will work on trying to find out but I think it may be a matter of days. Don't quote me until I've had a chance to look around though. :)
I also started using this product thanks to Weedhound. When do you guys apply it? The directions say to spray on flowering plants and repeat in 10 days, so would you just do Day 1 and Day 10? Then again, it also says something like use in weeks 1 and three of flower, and week three would be Day 15 at least. I tossed out the bottle so I don't have what it says verbatim, but I could have sworn it mentioned two different application methods.
Last time, I just used it three days in weeks 1 and 3, usually MWF. Is this wrong? One bottle has been enough to do it my way. I also don't use the Penetrator although this is contrary to directions.
It worked last time, so hopefully I will have the same success again.
Deja the only way I know how to use it is on Day 1 and Da 10 of flower. I have sprayed it an extra time or two when I've stressed my plants out in one way or another but those times are definitely extra. ;)
PS...When are you going to start flowering your latest plants Deja?
WH, after closer examination I discovered that the hermie problem this time was so slight I was tempted to just leave it alone. But there were a few, so rather than take a chance I went ahead and harvested one of the two. Unlike before, I was a tough call this time. The Reverse definitely helps, but it took 4 sprays this time. I might give the second one one more spray and let it go the full 56 days, which would be three more weeks. It's been a fun challenge but it's gotten tiresome. I'm moving on with the WW I have from two other sources. It's been a learning experience for sure.
i just pick up the "reverse" and "penetrator" from my local hydro hook up
one question tho.
do i just spray the leaves? or do i need to directly spray the nugs/seeds(I am 5 weeks into flower...so they are kind big)
thanks for the help
scratch that question...found my answer.
heres a new one tho,
i was look at dutch master website. they have some pretty cool stuff.
if i wanted to start a foliar feed, what would be better? using the max fx and the folitech together(recommended on their website) or use the liquid light(cannot be used with the other ones.)
and would using either of those be ok in conjunction with fox farm liquid ferts and solubles?
thanks
Use Liquid Light with the penetrator....trust me....it's all you'll need for a foliar spray. :thumbsup: