Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro

12/22 @ 1145pm:
BD1 was 5.3 PH, 1560 PPM
added 1 gal RO water and a few ml UP to get 1300 PPM, PH 5.9

BD2 was 5.5 PH, 1700 PPM
added 1 gal RO water and a few ml UP to get 1220 PPM, PH 5.9

12/23 @ 1030pm:
BD1 was 6.1 PH, 1295 PPM
added a few ml Down to get PH 5.6, 1295 PPM

BD2 was 6.2 PH, 1270 PPM
added a few ml Down to get PH 5.6, 1270 PPM

12/24 @ 430pm:
BD1 was 5.9 PH, 1315 PPM
added a few ml Down to get PH 5.6, 1315 PPM

BD2 was 6.2 PH, 1263 PPM
added a few ml Down to get PH 5.6, 1263 PPM

12/25 @ 900am:
BD1 was 5.8 PH, 1378 PPM
did nothing

BD2 was 5.8 PH 1335 PPM
did nothing

Res change planned for 3pm today when the lights come on...

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Are your leaf edges curling at all? do you think they got a touch burned or do they look good? Mine always start burning at about 1500 ppm.

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Hey WH,
So far they are pretty hearty and not showing any nute burn that I can tell. Some of the lower leaves are getting brown and brittle probably due to lack of light and nutes being directed to growing shoots. I let them get up above 1500 PPM only when I got busy and didn't check the PH/PPM for a few days.

These BDs seem to take alot of abuse with nutes. They were the ones that I grew originally when the cola crashed down prior to harvest. That was when I didn't have a PPM pen and just mixed according to the directions per Botanicare literature (which I believe is too aggressive).

So far, so good. I am changing nutes today and gonna try to report PPM/PH numbers as often as I can... hopefully daily.

Wow, gotta love Mr Clipboard.....:D

There has been a Res Change and new nutes for the (anonymous, unnamed) girls. I snuck in just before "lights on" and snapped this pic:
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BD1 Nutes:
3 gal RO water = 10 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 10 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 184 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal CalMag = 615 PPM
+ 15 ml/gal PBP Grow = 1378 PPM
+ 6 ml of UP to get a PH of 5.8

Added it all to the res (which always has a little residual solution left in it) and PPM was 1266. Not what I wanted so I added 15 ml more PBP Grow and final PPM = 1427, PH = 5.8.

BD2 Nutes:
3 gal RO water = 10 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 10 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 160 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal CalMag = 596 PPM
+ 20 ml/gal PBP Grow = 1527 PPM
+ 5 ml of UP to get a PH of 5.8

Added it all to the res and PPM was 1388. Damn near perfect. Final PPM = 1388, PH = 5.8.

And for those that are interested, I took a couple of shots of their roots. Pretty white and strong although parts look a bit brownish, which I attribute to the organic micro-nutes. You'll see in the shot that brown residue in the reservoir.
If anyone has a different opinion let me know...
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Oh, BTW - still got those damn gnats so I added 1/4 of a Mosquito Dunk to each res to help fix the problem (hydro store didn't carry Gnatrol, said they had same active ingredient). If anyone develops a gnat problem, check out this link and LW's idea on how to get rid of those little fuckers....

MVP.....what day of flowering are you at? Have your plants been on CalMag from the start here? May be time to start backing down your CalMag. Might be the lighting but those are some DARK green leaves.

Hey....you could leave out the extra pbp and start up some LK or sweet.....just thinking out loud....well thinking in type....:D

Actually still in Veg - using Grow nutes not Bloom as mistakenly indicated in the retro post. I'm trying to fill out the screen with growing shoots before flipping them over to Flower (that is also part of why I started flowering the MK clones from the cloning log - so I could have some buds while waiting out the BD SCROG).

Regarding LK/Sweet, I was thinking of following Latewood's method - adding the LK and/or Sweet during top offs - when the water levels fall. I'm gonna go stick my head in there now and look at the leaves. It's probably the lighting (so friggin tough to get shots inside a closet), but I wanna make sure that its on the right course.

Another post momentarily after I check out their color.....

If they are in veg i'm happy with their color..:thumbsup:...must be the lighting.....sorry if i scared you. :( I'll get your feedback about latewood's method....never tried it myself but always like to hear about stuff that works. ;)

And for those that are interested, I took a couple of shots of their roots. Pretty white and strong although parts look a bit brownish, which I attribute to the organic micro-nutes. You'll see in the shot that brown residue in the reservoir.
If anyone has a different opinion let me know...

Mine look alot like that when I use Liquid Karma. It has chunks that settle to the bottom.

LK does it to mine too....rinses off if you are gentle with the roots....but I don't really worry about it.

They are a delightful medium/dark green so I am happy that they are happy. I am gonna add the LK at the first top-off (when it gets at least 1 gal below where it is now). The roots from the first BD grow were alot more brownish from the LK so I'm not even worrying about it at this point...

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Originally Posted by MVP

Oh, BTW - still got those damn gnats so I added 1/4 of a Mosquito Dunk to each res to help fix the problem (hydro store didn't carry Gnatrol, said they had same active ingredient). If anyone develops a gnat problem, check out this link and LW's idea on how to get rid of those little fuckers....

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DOH! Forgot the link... here it is y'all.....

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...eone-help.html

Checked them and both were running high on PPM and PH:

BD1 was at 1520 PPM and 6.7 PH
BD2 was at 1518 PPM and 6.7 PH

Not sure exactly what has happened, but maybe the Dunks had something to do with it. I adjusted them both by adding RO water and Down:

BD1 is 1345 PPM and 5.7 PH
BD2 is 1342 PPM and 5.5 PH

I'll keep an eye on them and see if the PH/PPM creeps up anymore. Gotta run and reposition some shoots and trim back a couple of big honkin' leaves that are covering bud sites...

sounds like they are starting to burn......

Yeah, you may be right. I am trying to keep them below 1350 PPM and see if they respond, as there are no visible signs of over fert so far. If they don't rebound I'm adding another gallon of RO to each of them tomorrow...

When my ph starts to climb....quickly and it seems to to take more ph down than usual to get it back down I start thinking about being at the edge of nuteburn. . This is just my personal way of checking my own plants so don't feel I'm passing on some big secret.......may not work for you at all. ;)

This is the first time I have witnessed a significant climb like that in my hydro days, so I'll take this tidbit of knowledge and see how it plays out in the next couple of days... thanks for looking out for me amiga!

BD1 drank down about 0.50 gal of water and the PH was 5.7, PPM 1393.
BD2 drank down a little more than 0.50 gal and PH was 5.4, PPM 1411.

Added RO water to bring them back to target level mark in each res (currently 3.5 gal), added 14 drops Up to BD2, and here are their numbers heading into their night time (dark from 9am - 3pm):

BD1 = 5.7 PH, 1321 PPM
BD2 = 5.7 PH, 1312 PPM

For me....ph is my biggest key with this.....it will tell you before any other signs of problems. (But....sometiimes the f*cking ph just goes weird.....:wtf:)

Way to keep an eye on the plants MVP! :thumbsup:

Almost forgot to add that last night I removed the last of the undergrowth from beneath the screen and pushed a bunch of fans leaves down below the canopy to give the shoots more light. It appears I am done removing growth and getting ready to flip to 12/12 within the next week and a half or so. I have been running an HPS under an 18/6 light cycle for the last 10 days (I don't have a MH conversion bulb for the ballast).

How bout some new pics?

Checked them a couple of minutes ago, gonna watch them since they just woke up:

BD1 1320 PPM, 5.6 PH
BD2 1325 PPM, 5.5 PH

Here are some add'l photos. Since the only light in the closet is the GROW light, getting quality pictures is tough.

Pic 1 + 2: this is the closet with lights out, they are not as dark as they appear in these photos
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Pic 3: from top with light moved (PITA!), showing their true colors
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Pic 4 + 5: better details of what canopy looks like, but colors off due to HPS
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Looking nice.....starting to get exciting. :thumbsup:

Checked them at 6pm = 3 hours after lights come on.

BD1 was at 5.1 PH and 1368 PPM
BD2 was at 5.0 PH and 1428 PPM.

Decided I was pushing them too hard, and drained res at 10pm. Refilled with RO water and adjusted PH. Due to bubbler design, a little residual solution remains in res and affects final PH/PPM.

BD1 is at 5.8 PH and 306 PPM
BD2 is at 5.8 PH and 511 PPM.

Haven't seen them yet today (12/30) so I will check and post back. Yesterday they had good growth, no nute burn, and were filling the screen pretty well. Update to follow.

Update: Checked the numbers a few minutes ago and here they are:

BD1 was at 5.2 PH and 326 PPM
BD2 was at 5.2 PH and 456 PPM.

All I did was I adjusted PH.

BD1 is at 5.9 PH and 326 PPM
BD2 is at 5.7 PH and 456 PPM.

Growth shoots are popping up everywhere; I accounted for between 25 - 30 total bud sites with a quick roll call. Fan leaves abundant that I keep pushing down below the shoots - I have not cut any away at all, just push them down every day.

There may be a few more bud site stragglers, but I am okay with that... ;)

Oh yeah, a couple of photos with the HPS in action.

MVP....you're using something for your roots arent you? Hydrogard or something? Between you and CM, you guys make me want to try that Scrog thing. :thumbsup:

Yeah, I am using Dutch Master's ZONE product, which is supposed to be a root conditioner. I'm thinking that I am just running them too hot for their age and gotta back off a bit. Not running a zyme though...

P.S. WH, you should check out the clones from that clone log I made for you a month ago... they are now flowering --- http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...oning-log.html

i like the way the seed co's make the black dominas sound .will be watching this 2 the smoke report.
good luck,it all looks gr8 at the moment :thumbsup:


:smokin:ss

Small changes in numbers since yesterday. Seems to be going in the right direction:

BD1 was at 6.3 PH and 263 PPM
BD2 was at 6.0 PH and 405 PPM.

Now I am gonna mix some fresh nutes and target the PPM around 1000. Hopefully that will help me keep them from locking up and/or burning but still give them adequate nourishment.

Next update will be in 2008!

MVP
:i feel stupid: :icon401: :pimp: :lol5:

MVP- between you, weedhound, and stinkyattic... you guys are going to drive me to drop some dough and set up a system. I'm tired of watching my mates get pretty and then he not even giving me a taste... ITS ON!

whats the 'stadium screen for'?
ive never seen that before
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Originally Posted by beginerbuddah

whats the 'stadium screen for'?
ive never seen that before
:rastasmoke:

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It is so the canopy forms a shape to match the intensity of the light, which is rounded when using a HID light - a 400W High Pressure Sodium in this case.

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Originally Posted by MVP

Fan leaves abundant that I keep pushing down below the shoots - I have not cut any away at all, just push them down every day.

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IMHO that is the way to do it. I know some people trim everything off clean up to the screen, which is a huge mistake in my book. I could spend hours a day at mine just pushing fan leaves down. I've found that if you just look over all the screen and push down any and all fan leaves, you usually will be exposing some bud that you didn't know you had under each fan leaf.

Looks like they're fattening up real nice.

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Originally Posted by MVP

It is so the canopy forms a shape to match the intensity of the light, which is rounded when using a HID light - a 400W High Pressure Sodium in this case.

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whats the screen underneeth it for then?
:rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by beginerbuddah

whats the screen underneeth it for then?
:rastasmoke:

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The lower screen is to tuck under the growth shoots during initial veg cycle. A few weeks after the 12/12 flower cycle is started the buds are trained to and supported by the upper screen.

About your question in my thread, I noticed that you don't do nearly as many bud sites as I do, which is a good thing. I think on my next grow I will try for somewhere in between what you and I are doing. Well anyway, before you know it you and I are going to have a nice pile of buds to play in. Lord willing, knock on wood, etc. All of us who are harvesting around the same time soon, should just dump everything in one big pile. We could run and jump in it, make weed angels, build forts, inhale it, all kinds of stuff. That would be fun.

Here is the background on a decision that I have to make soon: It turns out that I seem to have had these vegging too long without a screen in place to train them to and as a result I have HEFTY shoots that are super strong but don't wanna train too well. There are a bunch of growth shoots that are thicker than a pencil mainly in the left side of the screen. The right side is filling out nicely too, but at a slower rate.

I gotta wonder when I should kick them into 12/12. The tops that are growing strongly are too large to simply tuck back under, and they are also gonna block the lower shoots that need to catch up. With the 2nd screen in place I am thinking to let them grow past the 1st screen as they are already, then train them to the perimeter of upper screen.

Now the big thing is timing... WHEN to flip 'em over into flower :confused:. I've been wrestling with this for the last 3-4 days and think I'll do it sooner than later. Hmmm, better go think about it and find my clipboard notes so I can update the nute numbers... I guess after all this is an experiment, so I'll post back a bit later.

Oh yeah, pics from today just as the HPS clicked on:

Well..... I have been posting for a while and now NEED INPUT. Anyone lurking out there that knows (or thinks they know) what they are doing I am gonna need for you to speak up. I'm not taking votes but I am asking for opinions from the audience. Don't be shy.

I have somewhere around 50-75 bud sites in the 7 sq ft area I'm growing, and it is a jungle. Somewhere around 7-10 bud sites per sqare foot... More on the LHS than on the RHS. However either way I am gonna need to do something soon and want to get it under control.

Should I :
A. keep vegging and grow a bigger jungle before flowering?
B. cut a bunch of fans leaves and veg a bit longer so they recover?
C. say Fuck It, Let's Flower!! and flip them over in 2-3 days?

Advice will be considered until tomorrow night around 8pm (Fri 1/4 on the West Coast).
Then I'll have to Make It Happen over the weekend.
Whatever the hell "It" turns out to be.

The phone lines are open, make your selection now.

Ha, welcome to the wonderful world of never ending dilemmas in scrog experimentation. There is no answer. I just went to 12/12 a couple days ago and have some ridiculously huge number of bud sites. Live and Learn. If you have plenty of weed I would keep vegging until you think that all the screen will be filled in once you start letting the colas come up through the screen. That is the most efficient use of space and use of light. However if you are short on weed and don't care about filling it all in and making it look real nice, just do it. Now.

Honestly I'm not really understanding your style here since the top screen is 0% filled in. I wouldn't be going to flower until the top screen is about 2/3 or more filled in. Perhaps since I obliged your and your similar questions about my screen (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-training.html), you could do the same for me in your thread. What's your logic behind this madness? I'm certainly not trying to insinuate that your madness is any less sane than mine, I just don't understand. You think yours is a jungle, well what about mine with 8 times the number of shoots per area? I way overshot my shoots. I was too determined to get a nice full carpet this time, plus trying LST for my first real time.

I don't understand why you can't pull those main bud sites down under the screen. They don't look that terribly formidable. I do mine when they are like that. Hmm, super strong stalk syndrome is it? Yes I remember when I had SSSS once. I just had to push the top of the shoot in one direction while pulling at the middle of the stem in the other direction. Usually, at that size, they could get stuffed through without a problem. Sometimes I'd snap one clean off, but if a person keeps a strip of masking tape handy, they can tape these decapitated ones back together and they recover completely.

I'm probably not answering your questions much and I apologize. It's late and I'm just waiting for two reservoirs to finish draining so I can add flower nutes for the first time this grow. I should have been in bed hours ago, so please forgive me if I'm not making much sense. In my defense, David Byrne told me to stop making sense.

I personally.....having NEVER DONE A SCROG SETUP...(to be clear) would get them through the screen whether by pushing or by pruning. If I pruned them I would give them enough time to recover before flipping them. I personally would want my ducks in a row before turning to 12/12. And if you lose a few here or there I SERIOUSLY doubt you are going to notice by the end. ;)