i believe that we are all made up of energy and when you die you go into a dreamless sleep, like being unconscious with no memories. your body decomposes and the energy that once made you is broken down until some other being uses the energy.
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i believe that we are all made up of energy and when you die you go into a dreamless sleep, like being unconscious with no memories. your body decomposes and the energy that once made you is broken down until some other being uses the energy.
Sounds an awful lot like the life stream in final fantasty 7 :-pQuote:
Originally Posted by youngcity
My dad once had this conversation with me... he told me that the energy that makes up this earth today, and its inhabitants, has always been the same energy, since energy cannot be made or destroyed... therefore, he said that he believed when we die, our energy becomes reused, probably in the ground we decompose in. but our bodies go into the dirt, and the dirt sprouts plants, and plants give off air, which help others breathe....
sort of like that circle of life speech Mufasa gave Simba.
It makes the most sense to me, to be honest, at least by todays scientific knowledge. And I don't find it at all horrifying or scary... To decompose is a part of life, it's a process that we start from the moment of conception... We are always aging.
And I don't know that I believe there is a universe of unborn babies waiting to choose its parents...I think that we are all the product of 48 chromosomes, and our "soul" is really how we choose to display ourselves; we have the capability to communicate, and hear, and see, and be intelligent, and I think our intelligence is our soul.....
??!??!???what do you guys think???!?!!!?!?
I've allways believed in reincarnation. Cause Its a prooven fact that energy cannot be created or destroyed, so I think the soul is one of the purest forms of energy. so when you dies your soul just gets recycled into another life form. Be it be a snail, cockroache, butterfly, Grizzly bear or another human being. I also think the way you live your life reflects on how long your soul is trapped in animal form, untill it becomes human again. Kharma can work to your advantage, or cause you to be a dung beetle!!
there was this science show i was watching on tv before. It was a documentry on souls. The scientists belived that there was some source of energy in the body, religious people could call it a peice of god, or soul, the scientists just called it energy. So they took a dieing person who devoted himself to science. Put him in a Glass chamber, totally scealed. Air tight with one tube running down his throut for oxygen, self sistaining in the chamber. So basicly, totally scealed. When the person died, no sudden burst of energy came or anything, but upon investation, they found a small crack in the glass. So there was some sourt of powerfull energy.
i dont kno, just found it pretty interesting
hmMMmmm that IS interesting... i suppose that would be a good method of testing.. the energy must go somewhere, right?
"Confutatis maledictis,
flammis acribus addictis:
voca me cum benedictis.
Lacrimosa dies illa,
qua resurget ex favilla
judicandus homo reus."
(While the wicked are confounded,
doomed to flames of woe unbounded
call me with thy saints surrounded.
Ah! that day of tears and mourning!
From the dust of earth returning
man for judgment must prepare him.)
Or... if you want a more "scientific" answer...
PS. 1600th post!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coelho
Yea IMO that energy u r talking about, is ur soul, and when u die ur energy goes where u want it, mines going to heaven to hang out with god and all the angels.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by vej33
"My dad once had this conversation with me... he told me that the energy that makes up this earth today, and its inhabitants, has always been the same energy, since energy cannot be made or destroyed... therefore, he said that he believed when we die, our energy becomes reused, probably in the ground we decompose in. but our bodies go into the dirt, and the dirt sprouts plants, and plants give off air, which help others breathe....
sort of like that circle of life speech Mufasa gave Simba.
It makes the most sense to me, to be honest, at least by todays scientific knowledge. And I don't find it at all horrifying or scary... To decompose is a part of life, it's a process that we start from the moment of conception... We are always aging.
And I don't know that I believe there is a universe of unborn babies waiting to choose its parents...I think that we are all the product of 48 chromosomes, and our "soul" is really how we choose to display ourselves; we have the capability to communicate, and hear, and see, and be intelligent, and I think our intelligence is our soul....."
That is a very intersting theory. I've taken many biology and chemistry classes and that theory actually seems to make some kind of scientific sense. The only problem I have is that humans are a product of 46 chromosomes, not 48.:thumbsup:
hahahha yea it's 28 pairs that i was thinking of, not 48.... i didn't do great in my genetics class last year heheheh but you got what i was saying! :)
Haha, I hate to do it again but it's 23 pairs. 46 chromosomes equals 23 pairs.:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by vej33
P.s. I ate a special cookie about two hours so I'm only doing this cuz im so :jointsmile:
hahaha GODDAMN!!!!!! like i said..... not a genetics wiz... i can preach the idea, but i won't pass the test lol
fuck and im not even stoned :thumbsup:
Ok yea if we are talking about what happens to ur body when u die, yea it decomposes and does what mufasa told simba, but come on now, we as individuals are not bodies we are souls and minds u kno. I thougt thats what we were talking about not what happens to our dead rotting stinking bodies lol
we were all dead at one time, then we were born
^i think that has already been said, but i just think its fuckin insane
I do believe in an afterlife. Someway, somehow. Who knows.
It is very hard for any human to believe in this possibility because it is very hard for humans to comprehend an end to time and living as we know it. However, this is the possibility that I believe is most probable as the existence of an afterlife is just the result of a highly intelligent mind few other animals posses. I guess the best way I can describe the unimaginable is to think about what it was like before you were born, and that is most likely exactly what death will be like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmo18
I'm not sure but I hope it kinda works like the movie "What Dreams May Come", I just got done watching that, it's a beautiful movie.
as magical and mystical as the "mind" and "soul" are, i really just think that both of them are a product of our intelligence... i read a book called "the Accidental Mind" over the summer--I'd HIGHLY reccomend it... it's all about how even though our brain is looked at as this marvelous creation, it's really put together slip-shod, and kind of haphazardly. it's the process of millions of years of evolution building on eachother. we've got all these ancient instincts (like the instincts of intuition should your eyesight go), etc.
lol i always go on tangents, but either way... i think that your soul, and your mind, and everything that makes you YOU.. relies solely on the proper functioning of your body. i think all we are, spiritually and all, is a product of our biology and genetics, and those damn 23 pairs of chromosomes lol....
but i'm definitely not closed to new ideas, i'll be the first to admit i'm wrong if i die, and start floating to heaven... hopefully, God or Jsus or whoever will respect my will and right to search for answers and not be gullied into the "popular belief".... i'm babbling..
I strongly believe a permanant sleep. When you are sleeping, you feel nothing, see nothing, and hear nothing.
The mind is functioning, and once it stops, you lose all ability to see, feel or hear...it's an unwakable sleep.
I believe in the degradation theory thing.
You just degrade until you're nothing but elements.
Then, obviously, something eventually is made from
those elements. And if you're lucky enough to re-assume
the role of a human, consider yourself lucky.
Not that you'll ever realise you were or will be another
human being. It's like the ultimate paradox, 'what happens?'
Living life as something other than a
creature with rational thought, concience, reason, or
a 'mind' would be horrid. I'd imagine living with just
natural instinct would be similar to living like a junkie.
You don't think anymore, you just need to do things.
You don't get to decide anymore, you take life as it
comes because that's all you know. Eat, sleep, shit,
hydrate, eat, sleep, shit, hydrate. It's like an endess
cycle of meanial tasks just to stay alive... And for what
purpose? To kill? To be killed? Why is any lifeform
significant other than to die for the survial of another?
This is what I have, and always will believe.
There is no afterlife until you are recreated.
But even then, you're unable to recognize who,
or what you were before. So technically, it's a new life.
If you're even something that can come to that conclusion.
It's complicated shit, dying and stuff.
I almost hate thinking about it. But all the amazing things
that could happen are endless and really interesting.
I once heard a theory that when you die its like your in an endless dream and every time you 'wake up' your in a different dream. Its a beautiful idea but its just a theory and i dont really see the logic behind it.
I think the dream theory is based off
the fact that when you die, your brain
releases DMT, which can make 10 seconds
feel like 10 years. I'd image that's what
they're going off of anyways.
I like Jimi's reasoning....
"Life must be positive...if your life means something then happiness will follow. Everyone has something to give. Your body is as unimportant as one fish in the sea compared with your soul. I believe you live and live again until you have got all the evil and hatred out of the soul."- J. Hendrix
well according to current science the universe is NOT infinite so it has an end of some sort... you make it sound so silly to believe there is something outside our physical universe. do you have a better picture of what lies beyond the boundaries of our universe since we know according to current physics that it has a definitive size and mass.. therefore an end.. it is not infiniteQuote:
Originally Posted by fearmygun1
do you have a better picture of what it means to have a finite universe than to believe there is a spiritual or astral or some other level of consciousness beyond this physical reality? or do you like to lol at people's attempts to make sense of existence and the world around them?
on the topic of our souls, or our energy, or our "particles" being reused... i think it's safe to assume that all the energy that is here on earth now has always been here (since it cannot be created or destroyed)...
so does that mean that all of our energy has been used before? we are infact, according to that little theory, used energy. as much as we are discussing where we WILL go, nobody has discussed where we HAVE been.
Maybe all of us who enjoy the use of MJ have, in fact, been the energy for an MJ plant in the past! I betchu I was potent shit hehe, but seriously... if we all are just reusable energy (which i think is fucking AWESOME) then we currently are proof that you don't remember your past use... WICKID... what do you guys think???
ps this fucking thread is awesome
We're everything.
We've been everything.
We will be everything.
Energy is the ultimate recycable.
It will never run out.
Why did energy happen is what I want to know.
Where did it come from if it wasn't created.
Why does it happen?
Is there a source?
Who are we?
Why do we exist?
Why does anything exist?
Do we actually exist?
If sight and sound is how are brains interpret stimuli,
how do we actually know what happens around us
is what is actually happening around us?
More or less, if a tree falls in the woods,
and no one is around to hear it,
does it make a noise?
No.
Noise is the brains way of interpereting sound waves.
If there aren't any brains to do so, then it technically
makes no noise.
There are so many paradi in the world, it's incredible.
We think we're intellegent, yet we can't solve answers
that really matter. We just make up reason so we don't
have to figure them out. Hense, religion.
We need to concentrate on solving these problems, not killing each other.
The only way to continue existing is to try and find out why we exist.
If there is a common goal for all people to share, then there's no reason to
fight.
Technically we're all the same. Technically we're all different.
Different and the Same.
We're the same as the earth, and we're different from the earth.
We're all seperate, different beings, yet, we're all the same once we break down,
we're all energy.
Everything is made of energy, so why fight? We're all the same.
We, as a whole, concentrate on the differences and not the similarities.
I feel like I'm rambling, and I just keep typing what comes to mind.
I'm sorry if I confuse people, but I confuse myself too. Hahah
Thanks for reading. :]
Plus, we're all breaking down into energy constantly.
If not, why would we need to pump energy into ourselves to keep us alive.
We're inefficient.
Nothing can or ever will be 100% efficient.
There's no such thing as perpetual motion.
You can't stop the transfer of energy.
You can't stop molecular movement.
Everything is constantly changing and reforming.
Wow that was cool. After reading that I thought you were proper old and wise but then I checked your profile and saw that you were born the day after me hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Fotokopie
i think Energy was the reaction of some other action that DIDN'T require energy...
an energy-less cause resulted in energy...
the question then becomes what could possibly be so awesomely powerful that it could create such a reaction WITHOUT energy?
Scientists think that our Universe may just be one "cell", or membrane amongst an infinite number of membranes, and they think that when those branes collide, they cause this huge explosion of energy (big bang), thus resulting in the observable world we see today.
I have a lot to add on your sight/sound/brain interpretations, b/c I LOVE thinking about that stuff, but I have to go... but basically, yea our senses are amazing and can allow us to experience 5 different stimuli of our world... but sometimes i feel like we are LIMITED to only those 5 senses... i always think that there are other things capable of being observed and experienced, we just don't have the SENSES to sense them.
it all has to do with our evolution... the senses became activated as they were needed... feelers and antenae started to grow at the front of our ancient, ancient organisms, and ultimately became eyes.
AH!!
:]
I'm actually only 17.
I just think a lot.
what do you mean you're "actually" 17. you don't think it's common for teenagers to have deep thoughts?
im 22, but i wouldn't say that makes me any more or any less capable. wisdom is not an age. very insightful thougths though, regardless of your age. PEACE!
No no no, I didn't mean it like that.
On my profile it says I'm 18,
but I'm not,
I'm only 17.
I was letting Infamous know, he thought I was born the day after him,
but it was in fact, 366 days after him. :]
I just thought of another thing,
What's to say I'm not like 366 years old?
Is time actually an object,
is it something that exists?
Or is it just another excuse to keep us from
going crazy thinking about it?
haha oh sorry, i must not have seen the post you were referring to.
but i still maintain that opinion, wizdom is not age... i hear a lot of people talking about "old souls", could that just be old energy? hmm... anyway, definitely keep thinking thoughts Fotokopie, and DEFINITELY keep smoking weed... i bet you get some pretty outrageous insight under the influence
we should compare brains sometime lol
It's an adult site only. You just admitted your under...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fotokopie
I second that....unless any of you can tell me what it was like before you were bornQuote:
Originally Posted by make it legal
You know man, I gotta say, I've been questioning death and everything recently under similar circumstances to the OP, and you've just sent me into a big research-spree about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaphor
hello everyone-
what happens when we die is we transfer into the 5th dimension. meaning we leave this 3 demensional world behind, and our three dimensional bodies, and we enter 5th dimension. 5 dimensional world.
that is....if we are lucky enough to make it there. some people dont even have anything to make it into 5th dimension. when their 3 dimensional form "dies" or stops working, thats it.
so if we are nice enough to make it from 3 to 5 dimensions, what about 7 dimensional world? or 9?
what if it keeps going, but we never really leave the place we are at either.
thats why we see ghosts. people "die", they go to the 5th dimension, but they can return to the third dimension to enjoy it and remember what happened here.
so if we go, 3 5 7 9 11........ and we keep earning the right to ascend, we can return to where we left.
what fun, eh! up and down. outkast elevators.
me and you....your momma and your cousin, too..... " im going to listen to that album on this cloudy day! : )
so anywho, if you are actually worth ascending, you go into more dimensions. but you can return to, apparently by ghosts as proof.
but if we can return to this 3 dimensional world as ghosts, then if we were to "die" from the 5th dimension and ascend to the 7th dimension, when we returned to the 5th dimension would it be like a ghost returning to the 3 dimensional world. in other words, i wonder if it is comparable to compare the return of a ghost to the 3 dimensional world as a return of an individual from the 7th to the 5th dimension?
these dimensions are real, they do exist, and they have been proven by science. this is real.
but will you ascend? that depends on your choice in behavior.
All matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.
... heres Tom with the weather.