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Sorry All to those that may be looking for constant updates. As it goes in my world, I have a tough nute def. that is kicking my butt and the girls that are approaching their final moments are much more at the front of my mind than those that are just starting out.
MVP
liken the guide man. I took 10 clones from my plants and only had 6 survive. :( oh well guess i don't want them anyways.
just wanted to say nice job man.
That don't seem right. I can count on about 98% success. Perhaps it's my cheapo aerocloner, I don't know. I would like to know what you are doing different. Why would you have such a low success rate? Any ideas?Quote:
Originally Posted by pudder
if this is turning into a sticky on cloning, should we be adding short, fact-packed lil blurbs to add to the value of the thread?
altho not the expert these guys are, my simple, positive experience may be useful?
guys?:wtf:
lemme kno.
Opie, I would like to see some add'l details on your cheapo cloner. Do ya think a quick add to the thread is in order? Don't look at it as taking over - and if you do I don't care - just adding to the knowledge base since this we are now stickified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Rock, I doubt we are all pros here, but we are folks that experiment and wanna learn and share what we found out - Mad Scientists of sorts. Post some of what you have experienced - relating directly to the topic as you implied - and lets grow this thread into something bigger and better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock.Steady
MVP :pimp:
Perhaps in the near future. Gotta go buy a winch right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVP
A winch?? Nobody mentioned we would need a winch for cloning!! I'd like an explanation before I run out and buy my clones a winch. :D
Well it's for LST on my big weed tree. The only way to pull the branches down is to use a winch.
Hi all. I think the only thing that isnt really mentioned here is the "humidity dome". Can someone give a little info as to what this is and if it is necessary? Im running a closet grow so I dont have much room, and I would like to work with some clones soon.
It's pretty necessary, but I suppose you could get by without it if you continuously blast them with a humidifier, or constantly mist them, while using an antiwilt. Fresh cuttings don't have roots anymore, so they have to get the required moisture through the leaves, which requires humidity. A humidity dome can be something as simple as a clear Tupperware container, 100 pack CD container, or an extra clear tub the same size as your cloner tub.
new pics of the clones?:rastasmoke:
[align=left]Here are a few pictures of my closet setup that some might find helpful and/or interesting. This is a picture of the entire cloning and mother area of my grow. Picture shows the following: Cloning tray w/ humidity dome on Left, lit by a 2' fluorescent fixture with (2) 20W daylight bulbs that runs 24/0; Mother area with Bonzai Mums on top right; Clone transition area on lower right. Click on the pic to see full size version.[/align]
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[align=left]This is the close up of the Mums section In this section the space is 24 in x 24 in x 36 in tall. It is lit by 2 CFL fixtures each running (2) 23W daylight CFL bulbs on a 18/6 light cycle. Click on the pic to see full size version.[/align]
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Here is the clone transition area, where they are developing roots before being moved along. This section is 24 in x 24 in x 27 in tall. It is lit by a 2' fluorescent fixture with (2) 20W daylight bulbs that run 18/6 light cycle. The clones are kept in an Emily's Garden (aka DWC Bubbler). Click on the pic to see full size version.
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For those wondering, I have a small number of plants since I am growing for MMJ needs only and am resticted to a small number of plants by state law. For mothers I have Black Domina, Dabney Blueberry, Master Kush, and Super Skunk.
MVP :jointsmile:
Are these all in a section of one bigger grow space and blocked off from each other?
The emily's garden thing.....no issues with roots tangling together as the clones grow....supppose if they don't have any roots its no problem. Curious.....how long does it take the clones to grow roots to the point that they would start tangling together?
How many plants do generally flower at one time?
WH, Here's the lowdown on your Q's:
1) Are these all in a section of one bigger grow space and blocked off from each other?
The Moms/cloning/transition area is the right half of my closet in the spare room. This room is kept off limits to others, but is used for storage and keeping all my grow projects in a single part of the house. It is literally a closet grow... The left half of the closet is the flower room and measures 42 in x 24 in x 7 ft tall. The grow areas are separated by several layers of black visqueen, using Panda as the inside layer facing the girls. I (cheated ;) and) purchased a HydroHut to use for vegging - it can be seen in the background... Check out the pics below
2) The emily's garden thing.....no issues with roots tangling together as the clones grow....supppose if they don't have any roots its no problem?
Emily's Garden is made by HydroFarm, and it is what some peeps model their own homemade DWC bubbler after (like me, Opie, et al). My clones grow in there for 2-4 weeks, depending on availability of other (limited) growing areas so they do have roots but not enough to worry about them growing together too much and causing problems. :thumbsup:
3) Curious.....how long does it take the clones to grow roots to the point that they would start tangling together?
It's been my personal experience that the roots can grow together after approx. 4-6 weeks after being introduced into this type of a setup. Your mileage may vary as results depend upon strain, health, and grower ability. In short they are out of there and in their perm. home before they get tangled up together. (I know how you like pics so I shot a couple of the girls that have been in there approx 2 weeks +/-) :)
4) How many plants do generally flower at one time?
This is an individual grower call. Last time I grew 2 Dominas in one of these type of homemade DWC contraptions that had a much bigger res (Emily = 2 gal, McGyver version = 6 gal), next to another identical DIY bubbler that held 3 Blueberry. After vegging 4 weeks and flowering 8 weeks the roots were tangled like a rat's nest... but not a big deal as they were intended to be vegged and flowered together as I did...
BTW, I got 4.25 oz from the Domina and 2.75 oz from the Blueberry even after encountering 100 F summer heat and colas falling over before trichomes signaled it was harvest time. And this was my first grow in 15 years or so. :woohoo:
Wow that is really cool. Brings tears to my eyes when I see an Emily's Garden in action. Reminds me of my first and my current grow. And your whole set up reminds me of mine. I want to get some pictures of it up, but it's all tore apart again, and I got that lst emilys garden thing going in my flower section.
Thanks for a glimpse into the lives of the plants of MVP.
Yeah Opie, this growing thing is a real hobby/addiction. I enjoy it a lot and like sharing with others to help them learn. Emily is a great transition spot for my clones - with the McGyver DWC it is deeper and suspends the net pots more, thereby allowing the roots to tangle easier. I find using old Em for this stage she is perfect to get the job done!
Stay tuned for a Black Domina DWC log, hopefully in the next week or two when I kick my Nute Def girls out of the flower closet and go for my first official SCROG...
That looks like a very nice set-up there MVP. :thumbsup: How do you keep all your temps under control?
Generally speaking it is pretty temperant here so I do not see many wild swings in temperature. However sometimes it is a bit tricky keeping the temps in line. Summer is a bitch since I live near the coast therefore I do not have AC in the house. Winter I run the central heat; summer (and most all year) I vent using a 6" Vortex 449 CFM on a rheostat (dimmer) switch thru the ceiling after neutralizing smelly air with a 8x20 activated carbon filter.
For the little cuts, I place a heating pad underneath the tray/humidity dome to keep the temps a bit higher than room temp. That is pretty much it, although I bought a couple of muffin fans off eBay and use them to vent the individual growing compartments into the ceiling area of the main closet where the Vortex fan/carbon filter empty the room. Fresh air is passive thru an open window/shadow box set up like in Cervantes' book.
I also bought one of those crappy little under desk heaters for around 10 bucks and plan to use it to keep the room temp from fluctuating too much as it gets colder... no need to run central heat all the time with that heater thing on hand.
ok, so, im guessin the bowflex is either for LST'in the really large plants, or, for you to get strong enuf to LST the medium ones?
ok, couldnt resist.:D;)
looks like a really cool set up, well organized.:thumbsup:
keep up the great work:thumbsup:
oh btw-i decided to not clutter your log with my experience.
what i will do is say, i agree with all the points raised here.
clean cut.
keep em wet.
scrape the skin off the new hopeful root area.
hormone / rooting product (i used Schultz powder)
dome, yeah, but like every other day take off and let breath.
and i go straight to dirt.
it worked the first time. maybe i got lucky?:wtf:
this time, with flowers, is a lil more complicated.:wtf::wtf:
Rock.Steady, I'm sure you're experience is welcome here. I know I'm always happy to get as much info as possible, especially from experienced people. And unless you never get a problem of mold or rot, IMO you need to burp the dome more than once every two days. If you do get mold or rot, you especially want to do it as often as possible. Take the lid all the way off and blow a bunch of lung air into the plants and dome. It also helps to start them hardening by leaving it of as much as possible. But watch carefully for wilting. It don't take long when a plant doesn't have any roots. If the opposite is true and you need more moisture, then be sure to mist with each burping, and/or use an anti wilt spray. Never used it myself.
so a questin of mine is I'm using somthing similar to rockwhool and I noticed the cubes look like their drying out. do I water the block or just don't worry about it. I I water how much or do I just mist the bottom
If you pick up the rockwool cube and its weight is noticably light, then I spray the BOTTOM of the cube to hydrate it... after all I want the roots to reach for moisture.Quote:
Originally Posted by soobie05
BTW, how old are the cuts? Do they show any rooting yet?
clones are about a week old and I have about 20 going under 20watt flouro annd ina hdome I have no sign of rooting but they are Perkin up! and some leaves are turning yellow is that ok? also some that havesigns of darrrrk spots is that mold? is it safe to cut off or is that stressful. looking to lst some shorties with t5 for my flower I don't have much for for hps. do mh bulbs generate alot of heat? and my last questin where can I get some equipment for cheap?
Yellowing is normal as they establish roots, dark spots are not. Do you have any pics to post? That would help quite a bit. MH is good for veg, but to flower you really want a HPS, even if you buy a conversion bulb for your MH. If you don't have either one then buy the "Bloom" CFL's that run at 2700 Kelvin. Google for Green Coast Hydro I think it is gchydro.com... they are good guys.
quote=soobie05
some leaves are turning yellow is that ok?
Yes it's OK. Not thrilling, but OK. The plant does this because it is eating itself to get some of the nutrients it needs, since it can't get fed through the nonexistent roots. It is completely normal, but hopefully you will have left enough leaves so that there are still some green ones once the cutting gets roots. I don't even cut my leaves in half just for this reason, unless I take a bigger cutting than what is normal for me.
also some that havesigns of darrrrk spots is that mold? is it safe to cut off or is that stressful.
Mold is hairy-looking and rot is dark spots (probably, at least in this case). Either way you don't want it. It spreads rapidly in wet and warm situations, like your humidity dome. Not only is it safe to cut that crap off, but it is highly recommended. Always try to save as much fan leaf as possible, but that stuff has got to come out as soon as you notice it. Also I have noticed that where my cuttings are most likely to get mold is where any foliage touches the lid.
looking to lst some shorties with t5 for my flower I don't have much for for hps. do mh bulbs generate alot of heat?
Do you mean you don't have money for HPS? If you have to choose between the two than you should get HPS instead of MH. That way you can use one for both, but I would still try to get a little blue wavelength in there when vegging, or better yet during veg and bud. The blue spectrums of light produced by MH bulbs are much better suited for vegging plants than HPS, which is much better at flowering. You may want to consider a digital ballast or switchable ballast, so you can have the proper light for different stages of growth with just one ballast (preferably digital). And yes both produce quite a bit of heat. This is the main disadvantage of HID lighting. Plan on spending as much on venting as you do on lighting. That's rough, but a good guideline to start with.
and my last questin where can I get some equipment for cheap?
Actually you should look for the most expensive equipment available. You get what you pay for, there is no doubt in my mind. Of course there are some exceptions, but I mean in general. I know that's not what you want to hear, but the most expensive things are actually the cheapest. I certainly understand a budget however so there's places like Ebay of course, garage sells and Craig's List. Search ol craig if you don't know about it. I think there's also a Weedbay or something, where the auctions are all things weed. Be sure to take shipping into consideration when buying things over the net. Also who takes care of shipping on returns? There's a lot of reasons I like to shop at a hydro store.
can u clone just using water and compost?
:S5:
Yes if the compost isn't hot with nutrients. Put your cutting in compost, soak it with PH 6.8 water and don't water again until the soil is almost completely dried out or the cutting begins to wilt. Works for me every time, but for my soil plants I use a good potting soil and 20-25% perlite.
wow opie thanks for takin the time timr answer all my questions! i finally have acess to highspeed to post up some pics of what im talkin about. So ill def cut off the rott asap.
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Thanks for the pics - I had imaginged something much worse. The yellowing is to be expected, but definitely cut off the dark sports, conserving as much leaf material as possible.
Yeah, I think that's rotten spots, but I'm not 100% positive. Diagnosing plant problems is something I'm not very experienced at. I highly recommend posting the pictures in the plant problem area. Maybe people who have seen it before can tell you for certain, but I would keep cutting off the black spots and leave as much else as possible. If it is mold, you should try to correct the problem instead of treating the symptoms. Get a dehumidifier or water less often, for example.
Ok, so I cut some shoots and made clones about a month ago, now here is the update. I am showing a pic of the 'transition' bubbler that has 4 Master Kush (MK) clones and a stunted Super Skunk clone (far left, front row). The MK's are growing well now, and the SS is slowly starting to grow. I am keeping the SS there as I want to continue the strain.
BTW, these damn fucking gnats are driving me crazy, as you can tell from the yellow sticky strip on the wall and the No Pest Strip between the pots. Who knows how to get rid of those little fuckers?! They are totally pissing me off and won't go away!!!
Comments? Questions? Let me know...
MVP :jointsmile:
For anyone that is interested, the clones are being flowered in a separate grow log - http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...ml#post1768649
Here are a couple of sneak preview pics:
update?
Dammit, some of the pics have not returned yet after the system upgrade. Well as an update, here is what they look like after 22 days of 12/12:
Looking good. As for the gnats, I don't know what to tell you. I'm really surprised that they come around with that pest strip sitting there. I thought all insects pretty much did their best to stay far away from the powerful insecticide in those.
Man I like seeing pictures of your set ups. Everything is so clean and tidy. Maybe, just maybe someday, way in the future when my grow room is "done", I will be more clean. I've got junk and dead leaves all over the place. OK later. I guess I'll go work on it.
Hey wait a minute! You don't clean up just for the pictures, do you?
its all smoke n mirrors Opie, dont let him fool ya:wtf::DQuote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Hell no I don't clean up for pictures. But I only have posted pictures of the growing closets/cabinets inside the room, which I keep uncluttered. The actual room is a well organized mess as shown in these "Special Edition" photos....
I do, however, straighten up the room just about every other weekend so I don't invite in pests and mold and that kinda stuff. Don't wanna ruin my weeks/months of hard work by leaving the girls in a nasty, grubby environment.
BWAHAHAHAHA!:D
oh, thats gotta make for some priceless family photos:wtf:Quote:
Hell no I don't clean up for pictures.
i dunno M, i keep my place fairly clean, for a guy, but i get uninvited pests knockin on my door all hours of the day n night:wtf:Quote:
,,,,,,,,,,,,so I don't invite in pests,,,,,,,
yea, i just blazed,LOL! :stoned:
i was just lookin at that pic again.
jeez, u hydro ppl, mountains of jugs.
its a dam jug-o-rama over there:D
-edit#2- i know what MacGuyver would do with your avatar scenario:wtf:
Thanks for those special edition photos. I love seeing the more human side of humans. I'd say that until I got into foliar feeding you're catch-all storage area surpasses mine in overall stuff and clutter. Now we are about the same in that respect I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVP