Simplistic, yet great hydro system.

"...i thought the point of hydroponics was to provide more Oxygen, Water, and nutrients to increase photosysthesis Thereby increasing growth and vigor..."

OK, here's the deal for Paht Hed, Earthy Dank, and any other nonbeliever. Hydro has many advantages over dirt. There is not any one point of hydro, there are a plethora. The whole point of hydro for one person might be to provide more oxygen and nutrients in an attempt to increase growth and vigor. That is certainly one of my points, but also I do it because it's fun and interesting, I can do it all year, and it can produce an increased yield in a very small space. The reason for this last one is because I am supplying oxygen and nutrients directly to the roots, therefore they do not have to search for it, therefore they do not need to grow very big root masses in order produce big, healthy plants, therefore I can grow a whole bunch of tomatoes in a very small footprint.

I'm not trying to win an argument here or have the last word. I just want beginners and people like DurbanStone to know the whole truth so that they can make informed and proper decisions. Not everybody has the space for a 5 gallon bucket for each plant (myself included), and you certainly don't need that to produce da danknes, chronic, the shit, you know, tomatoes. If you've got the room, then by all means, have a 50 gallon drum for each plant. You could veg that for a year and fill up the drum with roots, if that's the kind of thing you want to do, and more power to you.

About the space thing:

Growing plants hydroponically helps gardeners and farmers grow more food more rapidly in smaller areas (greenhouses, living rooms, classrooms, and rooftops, for instance) and to produce food in parts of the world where space, good soil, and/or water are limited.
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In hydroponics, plant spacing can be intensive, allowing you to grow more plants in a given space than soil grown produce.
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The plant does not have to search in the soil for the nutrients that it requires. Those nutrients are being delivered to the plant several times per day. The hydroponic plant requires very little energy to find and break down food. The plant then uses this saved energy to grow faster and to produce more fruit.
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More intense cropping technique requires less space.
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SUMMARY: Space/Room = one hydroponics benefit.

Closet won't work, we need somewhere to put our clothes :) and with the hut, I can put the charcoal filter and fans in the hut without cutting things. I was thinking about getting the one that's 4.5 feet long and 2.5 feet wide, 6 .5 feet tall. I still want something continuous, and I dont want another grow room, so I was thinking about a SOG grow, root them in whatever (coconut or rockwool) then veg for a week or two, then right onto budding. I just need to figure out what light.

I want to produce about 3/4lbs a month with whatever set up I choose.

oh, can you take the hydro hut apart after?

two more questions.
With a conversion ballast, is there any such thing as a smaller MH to HPS? like a 250watt veger and a 600 watt flowerer or something?

One more :)...

What if I revegged after a flower? Would that save the extra room need? Just a thought.

pretty sure the pc case grows are more beneficial to small plants in the first month of veg, ntil heres no room left

what is the best form of hydroponics? Ive been looking at DWC and it appears the simplest

No one is saying that you can't grow a large number of plants in a small amount of root space, I am saying that the bigger the rootball the bigger the plant is going to be. Once your rootball has grown completely to fill your intended space the plant will stunt its growth b/c for one, it doesnt have the root system to support being any bigger. Bigger rootball = bigger plant, thats all I am saying.

I'm pretty sure they hydro huts come apart about as easy as they go together.

As far as I know, and I'm pretty sure this is the case, there are no switchable ballasts that run two different wattages. Please be sure to let me know if I am wrong here.

Yes, you can reveg after flowering. I've done it many times and so have many other people. Theoretically, you could have no mothers or clones, and of course that would save a lot of room as well as the other costs to keep them, such as your time and the cost of lighting. If you do real well and get 4 oz per plant, you would need 6 plants in a sog set up, or 12 in a regular set up, in order to get you the 12 oz per month you desire. I'll assume sog, since that's what you keep talking about. As soon as harvest is done, you move your revegged plants into the flowering section, and you put your recently harvested plants, which have been properly prepared for revegging, back into the veg section. Assuming you are growing the proper strain for this style, within 2 or 3 weeks the ladies will start showing some new growth, then hopefully with the 6 weeks left they will veg enough to give you what you want in flowering.

This can be done and I would really like to see a tutorial or guide about it. If you go this route, please post your comments and photos for all to learn from. I don't every remember seeing a grow log or anything about this, and I'm kinda surprised. I think it could really work. In theory, you can reveg most weed plants forever. There is a bunch of debate about this naturally, but I don't see why it couldn't work for at least 15 harvests. The reason I chose that number is because that pops into my head as the greatest amount of successful reveggings I've ever seen documented, and if I remember right, the guy just had to stop the experiment for some reason.

I say, hell yeah! Go for it! I want to see a CPSG, or cloneless perpetual sog grow. Who's with me?

I hope I'm not out of line here, but you keep talking about doing sog, and I'm not convinced that you know completely what that entails. If I am wrong please forgive me, but that's the vibe I'm picking up on. Again, you cannot do a sog grow with only one light. In sog you have one light for vegging and one light for blooming (or more of course), and they are going on at the same time, and they have different schedules which cannot interfere with each other. You have a section for vegging and a section for budding and usually the budding section is the completely light-proof one, because cloning, mothering and vegging can all be done on the same lighting schedule, but it's a different schedule then for vegging. Since you are vegging and budding simultaneously, you get to harvest every 2 months instead of every 4 (on average).

Also you talk of 600W of light, buy say you can't cut any holes. Have you thought about where the heat from this and the other lights and equipment are going to go? If this is in a bedroom with the door shut, it aint going to work unless you also use a nice big air conditioner. Your plants will die from heat stroke. You probably know that you should keep your grow 80 degrees or below, but it aint happening unless you vent that out of the room somewhere, and I'm thinking out of the building, which means a hole. Perhaps you could do what I did and make a hole in the building and put a nice professional vent covering over it, and your landlord might not ever notice the difference. I probably wouldn't bet on it though. Also you can help lower your grow area temps by getting a digital ballast, but I digress.

I hope that I answered you questions and didn't confuse you. Just trying to help.

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oh, can you take the hydro hut apart after?

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Yeah, it assembles and disassembles pretty easily. The parts are numbered and instructions, although kinda crude, are included.

The first time you put it together plan 30 minutes prep (read directions, lay out parts, etc.) and 30 minutes assembly unless you are high. In that case you might need 45 minutes prep time and 60 minutes assembly. This from first hand experience. Really, no shit.

After the first time it will take you probably 15 minutes total to put this baby together....

PS.

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...er-kush-6.html

Just in case you want to look at the 6th page of Weedhounds current grow, where we talk more about revegging, and she has a before and after photo of her girl that she just gone done hacking around on. (Not really hacking, she did good IMO.)

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...unless you are high. In that case you might need 45 minutes prep time and 60 minutes assembly.

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Or for guys that are stoned, and have been hit in the head too many times, 90 and 120.

ahh I am so confused. I understand SOG. I understand everything, I just don't know what to do.

So you're so confused, but you understand everything. Now I'm confused. Look, it don't have to be like this. It's really pretty easy and simple. If you know the concepts, pick which one is likely to work the best for you, modifying and improvising where needed. Figure out some way to get the heat out or go for fluoros. You can do some amazing stuff with them if you know what you're doing, and you don't have to cut any holes in the house.

And we're here to help. Just relax and take a deep breath.

You are going to get differences of opinions, that's just the way it has to be. It's up to you to figure out which is best for you. Try to start with something simple and temporary for your first grow and get a feel for it. Don't try for 12 Oz your first time. Trust me, your main set up will benefit greatly from the knowledge you would gain.

PS, it's not that 12 Oz is out of reach, far from it. Just have the mindset that you are just trying to learn on the first one, and as a bonus you're going to end up with some weed to smoke. If you don't put a bunch of pressure on yourself, you and your plants will love and reward you for it.

I am planning on buying a hydrohut, that way I wouldn't have to cut any holes. Also, I have grown plants many a time, just not with a large HID indoor, I have tones of experience with floros and small HID's, cloning and whatnot. I am new to hydro and large HID's however.

I use a 10 pot baby bloomer ebb and flow 6 gal resivior it does a good job once males are taken out there is plenty of room for the girls, easy to maintain and change the nutes. I believe gen hydroponics makes it.

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And we're here to help. Just relax and take a deep breath.

You are going to get differences of opinions, that's just the way it has to be. It's up to you to figure out which is best for you. Try to start with something simple and temporary for your first grow and get a feel for it. Don't try for 12 Oz your first time. Trust me, your main set up will benefit greatly from the knowledge you would gain.

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that's some of the best advice I've ever read in here, Opie knows his stuff, pay close attention :thumbsup:

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Also, I have grown plants many a time, just not with a large HID indoor, I have tones of experience with floros and small HID's, cloning and whatnot. I am new to hydro and large HID's however.

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Sorry Durban, I hope I didn't offend you.

I still recommend starting small and simple for your first hydro grow.

Durban, are those your real guns in the AV or stunt guns? It almost makes me wish I hadn't stopped lifting. Nice. I'm not gay, but if i were...

It's me. I'm 20, been lifting for 2 years.

Hey Durban, are you familiar with the Hempy Bucket?
I'm no expert but as far as I know it's hands down the easiest way to do hydro... no pumps, no hoses, no nothing...just a bucket. I have a few plants going in it that I started a week ago and they're doing great!
Do a google search or if you can't find it post a reply and I'll find you some links.
There are no size restrictions or any other restrictions for that matter on a hempy bucket!

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Hey Durban, are you familiar with the Hempy Bucket?
I'm no expert but as far as I know it's hands down the easiest way to do hydro... no pumps, no hoses, no nothing...just a bucket. I have a few plants going in it that I started a week ago and they're doing great!
Do a google search or if you can't find it post a reply and I'll find you some links.
There are no size restrictions or any other restrictions for that matter on a hempy bucket!

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Why thank you good sir :)
Looks like I'm doing the hempy bucket!
I've seen pics and these bucks were a couple galons and the plants were MASSIVE. It's simple, some verm, perl and a few bucks, all I need to do now is get some lights and nutes and I'm ready to grow, thanks everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!