LMAO!!! EVERYTHING THAT THIS POLITICIAN SAYS IS THE COMPLETE TRUTH!! Unreal..........Quote:
Originally Posted by WeedTillDeath
Have a good one!:s4:
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LMAO!!! EVERYTHING THAT THIS POLITICIAN SAYS IS THE COMPLETE TRUTH!! Unreal..........Quote:
Originally Posted by WeedTillDeath
Have a good one!:s4:
Psycho, roflmao on your avatar...
Reminds me of me with a Santa hat on, he, he, he...
Ron Paul ran Libertarian, I think, back in '88. You are right in saying he is a Libertarian.
NO politician is throwing everything he has in his pockets on the table. No telling what they are hiding in their drawers.... Liars, one and nearly all. I'd have to think HARD to find a totally truthful politician. They teach you how to lie in politician school. ;)
Reap, you are 100 percent dead on. Paul is about a logical and coherant as my wife's cat. He's an idiot, plain and simple.
Yep, legalize herb, and then pull all our troops back inside the country, and watch the missles/planes/ieds/bombs fly into the United States - The first idea is great (leagalization), but would we all be too stoned to care that New York City just got nuked? Or maybe YOUR town?
Geez, note to self : STAY OFF POLITICAL BOARDS. I just left one because certain people cannot see that these radical islamist terrorists want to kill us ALL, just because they do not agree with our way of life.
Good grief, Charlie Brown, good grief... :wtf:
Old Stoner, I try to stay out of the political discussions, because it's obvious there's only about 5-6 right-thinking people in here, anyway (those would be the 5-6 people that agree with me, the rest are just wrong :D) ... regardless, I replied to suggest you do what I do, when reflecting on the present state of the world ... I just sit in the yard, enjoy the fresh air, and beautiful sunshine ... and, clean my guns :jointsmile:
ROFLMAO, Reap, amen to that. They can have my guns when they pry my...and you know the REST of the story!
Oh, and I just read your sig. I LOVE the " Youth and Skill are no match for Age and Treachery "
Ain't THAT the truth.
I tell my kids whatever they do, I've ALREADY DONE. They cannot fool me. And so far, they haven't, LOL...
You choose to think like that and you drag us ALL into a world war.Quote:
Geez, note to self : STAY OFF POLITICAL BOARDS. I just left one because certain people cannot see that these radical islamist terrorists want to kill us ALL, just because they do not agree with our way of life.
And how many radical islamist terrorists do you know? Radical islamist terrorist doesnt = a normal muslim. Don't ever forget that.Quote:
radical islamist terrorists want to kill us ALL
They are a very very very minor percentage of Muslim people. Just like some of the KKK are Christian, and SOME of them want to kill all black/jewish/muslim people etc. Of course the situation is slightly different, but the premise is the same.
And whatever, I'm done with stating my view about this. Fact is no matter what we do (on the left) an invasion of Iran is still going to happen. In about 50 years time (if I even live that long) you'll all see what such a big mistake it was.
Edit: Sorry meant to edit previous post, didn't mean to make two.
Stoning, legalized rape, beheadings, religious police patrolling the streets, and other horrors, do not belong in a civilized society. We should have NO respect, in any regard, for Islam. I don't care how many "peaceful" ones subscribe to it - it's barbaric.
YouTube - Islam in Europe,
Whatever side you're on, one side will end up feeling very foolish 50 years from now. I hope it's the people in the Ron Paul camp (including myself), as I don't want to see the "others" being wrong, us being attacked the whole Islamic world after we go to war in both Iraq, Iran, maybe even Syria, etc. If the pro-war side is wrong, the consequences will be far more drastic and damaging than if the Ron Paul side ends up being wrong.
And to all those who are anti-Paul, why do you think America can just do whatever the hell it wants? America is no better than anyone or any other country. Countries in and of themselves just serve to separate people anyway, sadly. Since the US gvt was fucking around in the Middle East since the 1950s I think it was to be expected that attacks would come as a result. It's not like America can just go bomb and overthrow governments whenever it wants. When it gets attacked politicians have this attitude of America being invincible. What the bombers did on 9/11 was nothing compared to what our government has done to the Islamic countries. We create so many atrocities, and we can expect many more the way things are going.
The one thing Islamic militants need to recognize if they plan to attack America: go after our politicians, not the common American man. It's their fault, not the common man's fault. Hate the government, love the people.
OLD STONER:
You seriously have to be kidding me? Your just like my far right wing father, I bet you listen/watch Fox news channel and love agreeing with the O'Riley Factor and Hannity and Combs but find yourself always hating Combs?
And the reason I know this is because that station (Fox News Channel)ever since the Iraq War started, it has been saying that, "they are attacking us and 9/11 happened because they just hate us and did it for no reason because they are Islam and crazy and terrorists blah blah rawr rawr."
And thats total B.S. because what really happened we have been medaling in the Middle East for over 50 years like what PHX123 said, everything he said was right on the money and what exactly Ron Paul means.
THE REASON they attacked US on our soil is cause we were in there country doing whatever we wanted cause we were the "big U.S of A and it doesn't matter what you say or do" and the BUSH administration stated, that the IRAQ war had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and there no connections between both of them.
So the reason he wants to get out the Iraq war and quit dumping money and peoples live into it, bring them hope, guard our country from within.
*FACT* Ron Paul voted for the wall to be put up along the Mexican/USA border.
*FACT* over 24,000 and another 12,000 US Military border patrolmen were sent to Iraq, leaving that much less people to guard our borders.
Another thing that irritates me is you throw around insults like it doesn't hold any type of dis-respect or dignity toward you or your target. Just cause hes a politician doesn't mean you should be calling him, "Ron Paul...logical and coherant(spelled wrong) as my wife's cat. He's an idiot, plain and simple." And when no claims or facts are given besides words like "silly" "idiot" just make you sound like a trash talking loony.
I understand why people wouldn't vote for Ron Paul and I don't mind when people state that, but please don't trash talk my hopeful future president for no reason besides to do so.
And don't always trust the news channels they are always being twisted/fibbed/ exaggerate about the news and always about reasons behind actions.
THE REAPER:
"Ron Paul was a guest on talk-radio 2 days ago ... he is as brainless and irresponsible, as anyone I have ever seen run for office ... anybody that would vote for that clown needs professional help ..."
Please with this MOST insightful information, please do tell me more about this talk radio and what he talked about that was so "brainless and irresponsible", and what i find "brainless" is posting quick comments on a political board calling other parties that you don't agree with members "clowns" just cause their view is different from your own. I really want some info on what gave you the conclusion that made you hate Ron Paul's views so much. Since this IS a forum and the reason IS to have sensible conversations.
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Side note:
Brief Overview of Congressman Paul??s Record:
He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
IF WE HAVE TO VOTE FOR OUR FREEDOM, THEN WE HAVE ALREADY LOST IT, AND WE ARE VOTING FOR OUR FREEDOM IN 2008.
I'm with you in a way.......I really don't care for the term "clown" when referring to people like Ron Paul; assclown is actually a better term. Now lets see if I can follow the same "insightful" format that you laid out here:Quote:
Originally Posted by GrinS
Unlike most of the pre-teen pimple poppers up to the mid-twenty age, people such as myself, image reaper, old stoner have been on this planet long enough to know what is "realistic" in regards to change. I see that your 20....that would have made you about 3 during the first Gulf War........LOL, I was older than that for the Vietnam war. We don't need FOX, CNN, MSNBC to do our thinking....we have something called experience behind us.
Now, your offended because people called your imaginary president more/less an assclown with no reasons why. Lets spell a few of them out:
1) Anti-abortion.......voting record proves it
2) Backed by the 9-11 conspiracy nuts. Check out most every web site regarding that and you'll find an addy for Ron Paul.
3) He calls the wars as being against the Constitution. Fact is, when congress votes for approving the use of force that is in itself enough for the President to send the troops.
4) Portrayed as being pro-legalization when there has been NO bill by Ron Paul to suggest that. In fact, he tried to separate hemp farming from the laws regarding marijuana. That would still leave us growers and users in harms way.
5) Says he's against spending but still is responsible for over $400 in earmarks. Seems he's pretty tight with the Shrimp Fishing industry. Big business in the congressmans wallet.
6) His idea about switching back to the Gold Standard. Anyone that has any experience in currency/currency trading knows that if this were done, you'd see our dollar crash along with many other countries currency.
I know how easy it is to be swayed when your young but just be carefull of the brand of kool-aid that ya drink....some may look good but are actually toxic.
Have a good one!:s4:
Being older doesn't give your opinions legitimacy by default P4B. Not to say you don't tout some very good ones, but people of "more experience" stand on just about every point. In fact doesn't Ron Paul himself technically has more life experience than you? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Stalin, Hitler, Ghandi, Buddha, Pope Benedict, they all have more life experience than me. I wonder which one I should look to for guidance?
I'd have to see these votes you speak of, but I get the feeling you're relating to votes against government funding for abortion at the federal level; which would be more a constitutional issue than an abortion issue.Quote:
1) Anti-abortion.......voting record proves it
And the "God hates fags" church people may have voted for George Bush, that doesn't mean George Bush believes "god hates fags".Quote:
2) Backed by the 9-11 conspiracy nuts. Check out most every web site regarding that and you'll find an addy for Ron Paul.
Peacenick hippies are undoubtedly more prone to voting Democrat, that doesn't make Democrats peacenick hippies.
Stoners would be inclined to vote for Ron Paul, it doesn't make Ron Paul a stoner. You see what I'm getting at here? It's backward logic, saying those who vote for the candidate represent the candidates views in every respect.
His anti-constiutional claims regarding the war are to do with a foreign policy of non-interventionalism, not the actual process by which war was declared.Quote:
3) He calls the wars as being against the Constitution. Fact is, when congress votes for approving the use of force that is in itself enough for the President to send the troops.
Hemp and marijuana, while biologically related, are two very different matters. We're talking about medicine/recreational drugs versus indsutrial products for sails, clothing, ropes and the such. It makes a lot more sense to fix these government policy's toward hemp/cannabis one step at a time. The first step, obviously, is legalizing hemp.Quote:
4) Portrayed as being pro-legalization when there has been NO bill by Ron Paul to suggest that. In fact, he tried to separate hemp farming from the laws regarding marijuana. That would still leave us growers and users in harms way.
If Paul was lying and not actually for legalizing marijuana, why would he bother saying it when it's political suicide?
erm.... do you mean $400 or $400 million/billion? Personally I suppose tax incentives and investment in keeping industry/economy strong. Anyway, I'd have to see what spending specifically you believe is hypocritical. Ron Paul is against the big over-spending that is bankrupting the nation, he's not against all spending in any form. As he said in the last debate, "cutting income tax would result in a 1/3 loss in government revenue. As is, that would take us back to 2000 levels of spending. Are you saying this government can't get back to 2000 spending levels?"Quote:
5) Says he's against spending but still is responsible for over $400 in earmarks. Seems he's pretty tight with the Shrimp Fishing industry. Big business in the congressmans wallet.
I'm not experienced in economy enough to make a judgement on this. However I think I agree with you here. I disagree with most Ron Paul supporters claims that America has a dollar "backed by nothing". Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the dollar is backed by gross national material output. Production/consumption, output/input as a basis for financial output.Quote:
6) His idea about switching back to the Gold Standard. Anyone that has any experience in currency/currency trading knows that if this were done, you'd see our dollar crash along with many other countries currency.
Just making a point my wizard friend. I guess all of us old folks just get our information from Fox over our good morning coffee. Pretty humorous to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
It was discussed in here before. The bill before congress would state that life begins at conception and that states would then have the right to create laws based off from that. More/less...what sort of prison time is in store for those that do this under the wire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Has he tried to distance himself from what main stream America would classify as the "conspiracy sector"? Since that's a good part of his backing I can see why he doesn't. BUT the little remarks about on how we provoked the wars is just enough to keep them on board but not so much as to be classified as a fruit loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
And were is that in the Constitution? In those days we were taking over the Indian Nation and running Mexico out of the Southwest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Once again...where is the bill in Congress? Many congressmen try to put through bills that they know have no chance in passing.....like his anti-abortion bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Yeah, it was suppose to be million.......nice catch!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
How can anyone state that they're against over-spending but yet have pet projects in the tune of over $400 million, some that are directly for a market (the Shrimp Industy) that is in his area? If that's the case, then representatives from areas that are heavy into oil, coal, auto, etc...have the same halo over their heads in regards to spending? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
Exacty...and at the present we have a GDP over $13 trillion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Have a good one!:s4:
Hmm? I'm not saying that at all! I may disagree with you on a lot of opinions, but I know an intelligent opponent when I see one and I know you're not getting your opinions from anywhere but your own reasoning.Quote:
Just making a point my wizard friend. I guess all of us old folks just get our information from Fox over our good morning coffee. Pretty humorous to say the least.
Ouch! So does it state then, literally, that any abortion is commiting murder? I couldn't be more against that.Quote:
It was discussed in here before. The bill before congress would state that life begins at conception and that states would then have the right to create laws based off from that. More/less...what sort of prison time is in store for those that do this under the wire.
Your right, he hasn't, but then why bother when you've got a few thousand extra votes? Sad as it may be, every politician has to whore themselves a little.Quote:
Has he tried to distance himself from what main stream America would classify as the "conspiracy sector"? Since that's a good part of his backing I can see why he doesn't. BUT the little remarks about on how we provoked the wars is just enough to keep them on board but not so much as to be classified as a fruit loop.
Legally, the Indians didn't have a nation since there were hundreds of non-unified tribes. They had their territory, but nobody had claim over the entire America's. Not to say the colonialist bullshit is justified, they were terrible to the natives! But I'm not aware of anywhere in the constitution justifying these actions.Quote:
And were is that in the Constitution? In those days we were taking over the Indian Nation and running Mexico out of the Southwest.
Where does it say? Honestly I'm not sure, but I was under the impression that it has a "no-nation building" clause or some sort. I could be wrong, wish I had time to read the constitution in its entirety.
Don't know, maybe he doesn't see the point knowing it won't be passed, maybe he didn't want to lose his possition as congressman. Being president and leader of the republican party really is the only way one could have the power to push that through.Quote:
Once again...where is the bill in Congress? Many congressmen try to put through bills that they know have no chance in passing.....like his anti-abortion bills.
Do you have a link to some info on this shrimp-industry project? I want to take a look before passing judgement.Quote:
Yeah, it was suppose to be million.......nice catch!:thumbsup:
How can anyone state that they're against over-spending but yet have pet projects in the tune of over $400 million, some that are directly for a market (the Shrimp Industy) that is in his area? If that's the case, then representatives from areas that are heavy into oil, coal, auto, etc...have the same halo over their heads in regards to spending? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
It was implied by the poster that I recently responded to. Nothing on you sir wizard.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
This Act may be cited as the `Sanctity of Life Act of 2007'.
SEC. 2. FINDING AND DECLARATION.
(a) Finding- The Congress finds that life exists from conception.
(b) Declaration- Upon the basis of this finding, and in the exercise of the powers of the Congress--
(1) the Congress declares that--
(A) human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency; and
(B) the term `person' shall include all human life as defined in subparagraph (A); and
(2) the Congress recognizes that each State has the authority to protect lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State.
GovTrack: H.R. 2597: Text of Legislation
There is no clause like that....remember "manifest destinty"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
He knows that MANY of his bills are dead in the water but still submits them..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
LOL...Check out number 1 on the list......I thought he was against big brother creating a data base..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
1. $25,000 for the Brazoria County Sheriff to establish a ??Children??s Identification and Location Database.?
2. $8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp.
3. $2.3 million for shrimp fishing research.
7. $4.5 million to study the effects of the health risks of vanadium.
8. $3 million to test imported shrimp for antibiotics. (Does anyone think there is a big shrimp industry in Paul??s district?)
Classically Liberal: Ron Paul's personal pork projects.
The Wall Street Journal reports Paul's office says those requests include $8 million for the marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to pay for research into shrimp fishing.
A spokesman says, "Reducing earmarks does not reduce government spending, and it does not prohibit spending upon those things that are earmarked. What people who push earmark reform are doing is they are particularly misleading the public ?? and I have to presume it's not by accident."
FOXNews.com - Ron Paul's $400 Million Earmarks - Brit Hume | Special Report
There ya go..........
Have a good one!:s4:
assclown eh....hmmmm...psycho4hate...
get off the 'ye ol wise one' soap box. age doesn't equal wisdom.
in response to your spelling it out for us...spilling your wisdom onto us...
1.) Ron Paul is personally pro-life. yes. but he is anti-federal government telling you what you can do with your body. so he says, repeal roe vs. wade...the feds should stay out of it. let the states decide.
2.) backed by all sorts. this is the straw-man attack of you gate-keepers. you don't have any substantiative attacks so you attack his supporters. this approach will fail. shall we review the supporters of Giuliani, Romney, Hillary, Edwards, Obama and muster up the conspiracy theorists, brothel owners. You'll find the worst of the worst in these military industrial complex and hedgefunders and on and on...
3.) Yes. So you're saying WAR is good. Our governments have our best interest at heart. Not very compelling or interesting argument dude. Sell the war man....sell it. I'm sure our founding fathers would disagree with you.
4.) Not true. He wants the war on drugs ended and says it is a miserable mistake. Read up here.
5.) That is the most shocking skeleton in the closet you could muster up? You must enjoy Faux news. Here is a credible resource for all good Americans to reference this.
6.) Paul has explicitly stated "I wouldn't exactly go back to the gold standard," pointing out that a "there were shortcomings with the gold standard of the nineteenth century because...it was a fixed price..." (YouTube - Ron Paul in New Hampshire) So, Paul, like his critics, also doesn't think going back to the gold standard would be a good idea. That is, he does not agree that government should fix the ratio of gold to paper - which is what going "back to" or "returning to" the gold standard would comprise.
What Paul actually wishes to do, as he has said many times, is simply to make gold and silver legal tender as called for in the Constitution, as well as to remove the taxes on these metals. He has called this "going forward to a new gold standard" to make it clear that this is not the same thing as going "back to the gold standard." The reason he wants gold and silver to be made legal tender is because he likes the idea of competing currencies and opposes monopoly money. He wants us in the marketplace to be able to decide what money we use, rather than government imposing its choice on us. And, he is confident that if allowed the choice, it is natural that the market will choose money backed by "hard assets" such as gold and silver. As it stands now, fiat currency issued by the Federal Reserve has the special privilege of being "legal tender." This, and the tax penalty on buying and selling gold, enforces a near monopoly on money in the U.S. to the effect that nearly all transactions are conducted with fiat Federal Reserve notes. If gold and silver were given legal tender status, and the taxes on them removed, currencies backed by these metals, as well as the metals themselves, would have a much greater chance at successfully competing with fiat Federal Reserve notes. The Federal Reserve might be an issuer of gold-backed paper (prior to the creation of the Fed, currency was commissioned to be printed by other banks), but that it is not even necessary. As Paul points out, these could be issued by the private sector. In fact, they already are being issued, but as pointed out above, it is difficult for them to get a foothold due to special legal privilege for fiat currency. Examples of privately-issued gold-backed money in limited use today include E-gold (e-gold... Internet payments, 100% backed by gold) and the Liberty Dollar. Paul has said that he does not want to abolish the Federal Reserve overnight because it would cause massive economic disruption. Presumably, the Fed would be abolished only after the the masses converted to sound money. If that occurs, then the Fed would have already become irrelevant anyway, so doing away with it would be a non-event.
I know how easy it is to stay stuck in your old ways, but wake up people! Don't let the gatekeepers tell you what to think.
Ron Paul 2008 — Hope for America
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^^ exactly
Its better to fix the problem then prolong the non-working treatment.
Just for future ref., wouldn't be doing a slam on user names in this or any forum. Not permitted and with your post count you should be aware of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 420izzle
Next:
1) Show me where, by link, that he's stated that the fed would have NO say in abortions. His bill is pretty self-explanitory. LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION/The Fed........states would have NO say!
2) Are you saying that main stream America doesn't find the "conspiracy sector" a bit on far side? The left wing doesn't even want to associate themselves with them and they are both anti-war.
3) LOL...which founding fathers....PLEASE list a few that would feel that way. Are these some of the same that were in Tripoli?
4) So where is the bill?
5) Dirty is dirty.......there ARE congressmen and senators that don't practice this.
6) First off; Liberty Dollar is closed down for violating currency laws. Next; As per the CONSTITUTION, Congress has sole responsibility on what our currency is and who makes it.
Have a good one!:s4:
i spent a while now reading this post and would like to say something
peacenick hippies do not vote democratic. we also do not vote republican. i , being a peacenick hippie, have supported the natural law party from the begining. we are usally the ones who vote 3rd party.
also ,no ,age does not mean wisdom. but i do know that my political veiws are much differant now than they were when i was 20. intelligence is the ability to retain information, wisdom is the ability to learn from and not repeat your and other peoples mistakes.
1.) Here Ron Paul writes, in his own words, that the federal government should stay out of the abortion issue. Here is a youtube video of him stating it.
2.) It isn't about left or right. Of course mainstream thinks of 'conspiracy theorists' as fringe elements, but mainstream is changing my friend. And the paradigm of 'conspiracy' is changing also. I was 'mainstream liberal minded' until I woke up. I'm saying that you and others attack us RP supporters as being terrorists (Beck and Horowitz), conspiracy theorists, shrimp lovers, and it isn't working. Americans are smarter than that.
3.) Well, for starters, in his 'The Most Dreaded Enemy of Liberty', James Madison says: "The Constitution expressly and exclusively vests in the Legislature the
power of declaring a state of war . . . the power of raising armies . . .
the power of creating offices. . . .
The separation of the power of declaring war from that of conducting it,
is wisely contrived to exclude the danger of its being declared for the
sake of its being conducted." I know Jefferson went to the middle east too, but c'mon.
4.) Ron Paul has filed a bill that would legalize ... for industrial use as well as allow possession of marijuana for personal use...check it out...HR1009.
5.) In the good Dr's. words..."Though much attention is focused on the notorious abuses of earmarking, and there are plenty of examples, in fact even if all earmarks were eliminated we would not necessarily save a single penny in the federal budget. Because earmarks are funded from spending levels that have been determined before a single earmark is agreed to, with or without earmarks the spending levels remain the same. Eliminating earmarks designated by Members of Congress would simply transfer the funding decision process to federal bureaucrats rather then elected representatives. In an already flawed system, earmarks can at least allow residents of Congressional districts to have a greater role in allocating federal funds ?? their tax dollars ?? than if the money is allocated behind locked doors by bureaucrats. So we can be critical of the abuses in the current system but we shouldn't lose sight of how some reforms may not actually make the system much better."
6.) The dollar is crashing. Ask yourself why they raided Liberty Dollar creators. They don't want any competing currency. The Amero is on it's way. Then you'll go, oh...
And who told you congress has anything to do with our currency? The Federal Reserve, you know that private cabal of bankers that run our economy and is neither federal nor a reserve, they run our currency and the inflation of it.
And apologies for the 'slam', but I can't stand enemies of the republic spewing lies and I feel the need to stand up.
1) I posted a thread on the issue where you can see him spell it out.....he even talked of some type of penalty for the day after pill.Quote:
Originally Posted by 420izzle
2) Call it what you will.....fact is that the dems even stay clear of this sector and they are both on the anti-war agenda. Why would that be?
3) Just goes to show.....even our "founding fathers" were screwing around over there. Kind of hard to state with a straight face on what our founding fathers would do today with the advancements of technology.
4) To amend the Controlled Substances Act to exclude industrial hemp from the definition of marihuana, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2007'.
SEC. 2. EXCLUSION OF INDUSTRIAL HEMP FROM DEFINITION OF MARIHUANA.
Paragraph (16) of section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802(16)) is amended--
(1) by striking `(16)' at the beginning and inserting `(16)(A)'; and
(2) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:
`(B) The term `marihuana' does not include industrial hemp. As used in the preceding sentence, the term `industrial hemp' means the plant Cannabis sativa L. and any part of such plant, whether growing or not, with a delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol concentration that does not exceed 0.3 percent on a dry weight basis.'.
SEC. 3. INDUSTRIAL HEMP DETERMINATION TO BE MADE BY STATES.
Section 201 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 811) is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
`(i) Industrial Hemp Determination To Be Made by States- In any criminal action, civil action, or administrative proceeding, a State regulating the growing and processing of industrial hemp under State law shall have exclusive authority to determine whether any such plant meets the concentration limitation set forth in subparagraph (B) of paragraph (16) of section 102 and such determination shall be conclusive and binding.'.
GovTrack: H.R. 1009: Text of Legislation
I must be missing the spot about the personal use issue.
5) Putting it across like it's ghost money is bullshit. Your either wasting the taxpayers dollars on pet projects or your not.
6) Federal Government
The federal government is the national government, whose powers are limited by the Constitution to defense, foreign affairs, printing money, controlling trade and relations between the states, and protecting human rights.
United States Dollar and US currency information including currency exchange rates
Do a bit of a check on exchange rates to other countries and tell me how the dollar is crashing.
Have a good one!:s4:
420izzle ...ya want to try that one more time?
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
dollar facing imminent collapse
the coming currency shock
the dollar is down 50% in 6 years, conservatively speaking, but hey, our exports are going like bonkers and tourism is picking up since our dollar is dead.
and again, the federal reserve prints the money at will resulting in shortfall and inflation. Ron wants to abolish this madness.
And back to the reason for this post, nobody else will do for pot patients and hemp farmers what Ron Paul proposes. He wants the government off our back. Show me a candidate that better represents us.
Well, I'm going to go vape one down. Peace...and Thanks for censuring my post psycho4bud. I needed that.
I've been following currency trading for about the same amount of time and I can tell ya honestly that this is false! I think yahoo has a historical currency chart........look it up for yourself agains currencys in the middle east, Canada, Europe, etc.........Quote:
Originally Posted by 420izzle
This is one issue of many and not really one to base this election on. Many states have made med. marijuana legal and as more do, the fed will be forced to make the change. Nice to see he co-sponsored one bill on med. marijuana though.Quote:
Originally Posted by 420izzle
Have a good one!:s4:
For all of you who are saying that Ron Paul's security stances are crap, read what he actually stands for before bashing him. He is a non interventionist, just like the forefathers were. He wants to end U.S world policing, like we are doing in Iraq right now. He does not want to allow terrorists to come into this country and easily bomb us, but he does want to end American Imperialism. Foreign intervention drains so much money from the U.S... the Iraq War's cost is already almost one trillion dollars. There is no doubt in my mind that Ron Paul is the most sane and most able of all the candidates.
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Originally Posted by Old Stoner
So how would it make you feel if despite the billions of dollars we're giving to iraq; that our country is attacked in the future by either a suicide bomber or another airline attack? Just because of our occupation in the middle east means this can't happen?? That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard...well, one of the top idiotic things..
We're letting these people into our country because we're the land of the free...the people who don't like us...why? I don't know..doesn't make me feel rightly comfortable sitting at the airport watching my luggage being put on the airplane by someone who looks like they should have a turban on their head...
I had to clean out a few posts in here........lets DEBATE without the personal attacks.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
Reality check: we're not fighting terrorists in Iraq, because the people we're fighting are people who are trying to get us out of the country. Why are they terrorists? Just because we're killing their troops in mass, and they kill a couple of ours? Would you be a terrorist if America got invaded, and you decided to do anything and everything you could to bring the enemy down, even if it meant suicide bombing their troops? They're soldiers of Iraq, and I think people who think we're killing terrorists over there have been listening to way too much propaganda.
Do any of you remember what terrorists actually do? They terrorize for political reasons. With how the Bush administration and our government as a whole reacted after 9/11... I personally believe that if there is a huge threat, we definitely played it just as they wanted us to. They changed the way our government works to an extent. So considering they are terrorists, they definitely changed politics here in America, because of how the Bush administration and our government as a whole reacted. This means they accomplished their mission. No, I'm not saying a government should do nothing... but it seems like our country sure has changed a lot since 9/11. It's definitely not the same here anymore. Not only that, but our government has played right into the fear-mongering. They're scaring us for the terrorists, it seems. Is that the job of our government after a huge terrorist attack, to scare us even more? I thought that was the job of the terrorists? Aren't they the ones who are supposed to be scaring us? Instead, our government is doing their job for them, and tries to scare us.
Ron paul for president
Guess that answers where my posts went, eh P4B?Quote:
I had to clean out a few posts in here........lets DEBATE without the personal attacks.
Daddy always said stay off the political boards. As I will from now on.
Again, and this isn't directed at ANYONe - like Grim Reaper said - anyone who votes for Ron Paul needs professional help - the guys an idiot. Plain and simple.
See you guys on the POT boards.