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Hi Aristotle and thanks for the interestQuote:
Originally Posted by Aristotle
I use the handle of a plastic coffee stirrer to scrape up the residue and divide it up between the capsules (I think you can just see it in one of the pictures), it takes me around a minute or two. As to how important it is to add the residue, perhaps I need to experiment with that, as so far, I've always added it just to be sure.
If you're planning on making your capsules using Coconut oil or ghee, I'd stick with just 1 gram of hash. Assuming it's half decent-ish (it doesn't need to be nederhash quality), it'll more than do the job.
The pictures in the guide are from a recent batch of twelve I made using a gram of average Moroccan hash (hence the dark colour of the oil), yet even so, just one capsule was enough to knock a friend of mine on his ass for nearly 5 hours, and he's a regular toker. The three I took had me hallucinating and out of it for around 10.
Generally they're so strong I tend to have to plan very carefully when I take them. i.e. If it's for a Saturday night I'll take them at about 4 or 5 in the afternoon. The full effects will start a couple of hours later and wear off in the early hours, 2 or 3 in the morning.
Anyhow, I hope this helps, and I'll look forward to hearing how you get on.
Cheers :jointsmile:
Howdy Flame,
Couple of q's.....if you were to let the stuff cook longer than two hours (i'm using bud and a crockpot) would it hurt your mixture?
Also...if you double your ingredients should you increase the cooking time?
And is there a specific temp you want to reach? In the other capsule thread it talks about cooking the bud at a temp of 300 F.....you are talking much lower.....temps around 212F. Do you know why the big difference in temps?
Thanks for any info Flame. I really LOVE this thread and am getting some coconut oil and will be trying it today. :thumbsup:
Hi again weedhound and thanks for the questions, there good ones!
To answer the first, the reason for simmering bud for two hours (as opposed to say 1 hour for hash), is purely to allow enough time for the heat to break down the cellular structure of the granular (powdered) plant material, thereby releasing all (or most) of the THC into the oil. With hash, due to the production method, most of the resin heads are pre-crushed before you begin heating it.
Regarding the issue of temperature, that's a tricky one, and is a little bit more subjective, but here goes.
I initially started making my own cannabis capsules after reading 'The New Prescription - Marijuana As Medicine' by Martin Martinez, but wasn't entirely happy with the results or the method described, particularly the temperatures he advocated.
Although the 'boiling' point of THC is around the 200 degree centigrade mark (392 fahrenheit), most experts cite 140 degrees centigrade (285 fahrenheit) as the point that THC begins to evaporate/vaporise, so going beyond this point, even for short periods 'can' affect the potency.
I say 'can' because in some respects the oil acts as a barrier to prevent THC loss by trapping it (some will escape though).
To get even more technical (sorry), here's a guide to what happens to your bud when cooking and at at what temperatures:
a) Between 46 and 50 degrees centigrade (114 to 122 fahrenheit) the inactive THC acid starts to decarboxylate into active THC. (a good thing).
b) At between 50 and 75 degrees centigrade (122 to 167 degrees fahrenheit) the CBD starts to melt (also a good thing).
c) Once you go over 75 degrees centigrade the resin heads start to melt (essential).
The beauty of using a crock pot for this type of cooking is:
firstly, you don't have to watch over it all the time, and secondly, it's a stable, regulated temperature that ensures you get consistent results.
i.e. on a 'low' setting your 'simmering' your bud at around 80/85 degrees centigrade (176 to 185 fahrenheit), which means you'll have converted the inactive compounds into active, melted the resin heads and allowed the THC to bond (at a molecular level) with the saturated fat. But, not 'burned off' any of the THC. Thereby retaining maximum potency.
So, assuming you don't exceed 140 degrees Centigrade, you're fine to cook your bud longer. If it starts to smell strongly however, keep an eye on it.
Lastly, there are some medical and scientific studies that compare the different effects of temperature on the kind of high you'll experience (dependent on the percentage ratios of the CBD, CBN and THC that's left in your oil after cooking), but I'm still working on that element. But as a rule of thumb (for now at least), the lower temperature ranges give more of a head high, the higher temps, more of a sedated, couch lock effect.
God, I hope this makes sense. lol, if not, keep asking.
Cheers
Damn Flame you're an encyclopedia on this!! What GREAT info. Once I can rep you again (I've been trying...:() I'm going to rep you about 20 times for this post and all you great information.
THANKS!!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:
i got a question....what happens when bubble gummers that can't handle the high after eating these pills start freaking out and showing up in the ER's all over the country?? do you not think the law will retaliate(sp?) and inpose stiffer marijuana laws
(i'm not riding anyone..just thought it was worth mentioning)
Well here's my thought on that. While I strongly applaud Flame for sharing this info.....I seriously doubt that he's the first person in the world to try this stuff and that said info has probably been around for quite awhile. You can in fact search this forum and find TONS of variations of the same recipe going back through here. Why aren't they flooding the ers now?
The information is there. It's BEEN there for quite awhile. With the internet there really is NO excuse not to at least find SOME information on things you want to know. But even before the web etc....mj's and crockpots and cooking with cannabis have been around for years. I'm always amazed that folks walk around completely in the dark about the everything in their world when, with MINIMAL exertion these days .....they could be SO much better informed.
Not riding anyone.....just thought it was worth mentioning.....
Hi guysQuote:
Originally Posted by indicagrower
indicagrower, you make a good point, and it's one that's given me pause for thought previously.
I always try to post responsibly, and have tried to balance the two guides I've put up by including warnings on the likely effects and how to counteract them.
I.E:
The reality however, (as you say) is that it's almost impossible to prevent kids from experimenting with drugs, but in defence of this thread, and indeed this website as a whole, it does not promote, endorse or allow postings relating to any other kind of substance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameon
Certainly not the kind of cheap household items kids can easily get hold of, and harm themselves with today.
Obviously a site aimed at an adult (over 18) audience will, to some extent, attract the attention of minors if they're determined enough, all we can do is try and educate them to behave responsibly and inform on the dangers of cannabis use.
Finally, if they're going to, it's probably better that they eat too much cannabis than try anything else more harmful. After all they'd need to eat least 46 pounds (21 kilograms) in one sitting to do themselves any real harm (if they could afford to buy that much).
Flame one other questiion....do you happen to what the temp of the high setting is on a crockpot? Mine has low and high....but no set temps listed in manuel.....right now I'm googling it. I'd love to try something with a bit more of a body stone.....and am wondering if the high setting on the crockpot would be a good temp or too high?
Hi weedhound
A typical slow cooker operates at 80°C (176°F) on low, to 90°C (194°F) on high. I'd be surprised if your 'high setting' was over this temperature by more than 5°C. So you should be fine.
I've never cooked beyond four hours using this method (I've struggled to find out what, if anything, happens to the THC when cooked for long periods), so I'm going to have to simmer a batch for two hours, remove it, then put half back and cook for a further two hours and compare the difference in effects.
I'd be interested to know how yours goes, especially if you experiment.
Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:
Hey Flame...
Ok...ive tried it....twice. Unfortunately I simply cannot get around the capsule filling part. The first time I tried using a syringe to draw up the oil part and ended up spilling ALL the oil and lost it....so made capsules from the residue that was left. So far.....a nice head high, not much body high but I can't make a true judgement from them based on my doing it incorrectly. :(
The second time the oily paste did something to the capsules so that they not only ended up too greasy for the tops to stay on but the oil also created some sort of suction to the capsules so I couldn't get the pieces out at ALL. I lost the entire batch AND my capsule machine which is now full of gooey crud and stuck capsules.
Flame....I love you man. But without another way to store and take these things I'm afraid 3 grams of good bud and a capsule machine is all I'm willing to sacrifice here.
I'm VERY bummed that I'm so stupid I can't get this figured out but I suppose it's par for (my) course. I've thought about putting it on a plate like you said but after 5 hours of cooking I just don't even want to think about it anymore.
Sorry I blew it.....:(
well weedhound, where you have failed others will succeed. dont be bummed that it didnt work for you, someone soon will have done it successfully and might know the answer to your problems. this friday i plan to go buy the coconut oil and look for the gel caps and machine and all, and will possibly have tried this by either sat or sun, or possibly later based on my search for the gel caps and machine >_>. once ive tried it ill see how it will turn out and if i am successful, ill post on here what i did and how it worked, and if i fail, it will just be another idea to future participants of this quest on how not to do it. i love this tutorial and plan to rep many times in the future :D. thank you for the great tutorial!
Oh man, I'm gutted for you weedhound, absolutely GUTTED!Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Firstly, next time your in the UK (or Amsterdam when I'm there), I'll personally replace your weed, and that's a promise.
Secondly, don't be discouraged. One thing that's come out of it (for me anyhow) is that we've now learned that the residue should be kept and used. So at the very least you can be congratulated for pioneering that discovery.
Thirdly, I'm going to thoroughly troubleshoot this part of the process so hopefully nobody else will come 'unstuck'.
OK, here goes:
1st Method
Part of the reason for using an egg cup (or small coffee cup etc) to simmer the oil is because the narrow shape means that the oil is a centimetre or two deep with the residue on the bottom.
If the cup is wide you only get a few millimetres depth, and when you try to syphon the oil up in a syringe it blocks with the residue.
When syphoning up, I just barely dip the nozzle in a couple of millimeters and start drawing up the oil, when you get near the bottom it may stick, if it does, squeeze a little oil back in the cup and keep trying. You'll always be left with some that will need to be carefully scraped out.
N.B. The diameter of the 00 capsules is about 7mm so the size of the handle on your coffee stirrer (or whatever your using) needs to be smaller than that so you can dip it straight into the capsule without touching the sides. One of the ideal scrapers that most people will have in their houses is a pen top (see picture) the shape is ideal for scooping up small amounts of oil and residue and tipping it in.
2nd (Alternative) Method
OK, this part is for people who want to try a COMPLETELY different approach. Instead of trying to 'suck up' the oil with a syringe and medicine dropper, you can use a variation of a cake decorating method, whereby you simply pour your (cool, but still liquid) oil into a piping bag and gently squeeze it out through a VERY FINE nozzle* (see pictures).
I've included a variety of pictures to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.
N.B.The critical thing to remember is to go for one with a very narrow nozzle. You don't want your oil running or dripping out before your ready when you pick up the bag, and you need the nozzle to fit inside the capsules so it doesn't go everywhere when you gently squeeze the oil out and into the capsules.
You could put a little sellotape on the end and make a small-ish hole in it with a pin if the nozzle seems to big.
The price of these things run from about $2 up to about $20 (£10) for the 'all-singing-all-dancing' varieties.
D.I.Y Method
If you want to try making your own capsule filling device, take a large-ish 'baggie' or other small plastic bag, pour in your oil, and when your ready to start filling, make a small 'nick' in the corner and carefully squeeze out the contents into your capsules.
I hope this makes sense, I'll try filming the process and posting up the video at a later date if people might find it helpful.
P.S. weedhound, to get the (now solidified) oil off your capsule holder and syringe, use hot soapy water (washing up liquid works for me!).
p.p.s. Was your oil still too warm for the capsules when you put it in?
Morning Flame,
First...you are to be completely congratulated on your dedication to this. :thumbsup:
Ok.....I gave it one more try but havent' eaten them yet. No capsule machine so I put the stuff on a plate and it dried BEAUTIFULLY. I completely underestimated how hard (and how PLIABLE (sp?)) the coconut oil would be,.......the stuff is sort of like PLAYDOH
or something.
I will definitely add here....if you can't make the capsule DONT WORRY if you have the coconut oil. It's hard to explain but it holds together excellently when cool....nothing to even SPILL when hardened. I'm sure it would melt if not kept in the fridge (or in a capsule the way you are supposed to) but seriously it worked just fine. :thumbsup:
I just took my first one....easy to swallow (same size as a pill) and no taste. I cooked these on the high setting of my crockpot for 2 hours.....will let you know how they do.
Thanks again for all your help Flame. :)
I shall re-report soon. :D
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.
Yeah, the Coconut oil out of the fridge is almost as hard as a bar of chocolate, and tastes and smells pretty good.
My experience is you'll start to feel it in about an hour and a half, it'll then get progressively stronger (in waves) till you peak about three-ish hour after that (about 5 hours after swallowing), with the 'come down' lasting another three-ish hours.
Hey, keep us updated :thumbsup:
Howdy,
Ok....I've taken two and feel a pretty mellow buzz but not as couchlock as this stuff usually does me (white rhino). I consider that a plus as the rhino will normally drop my jaw to the floor and leave it there next to my ass on the couch. Nothing along the way of bizarreness.....but a very nice feeling of mellow. I'm about 4 hrs in right now.
Flame....I've eaten mj for quite a while....probably a couple of grams a day sometimes on days off but cooked the way I did in my recipe. . I'm going to make some more of them today (:D!) but how many do you think would cross the line for me? I just took a third one....(they're really cute little blobs on a plate) so we'll see..... I'm really afraid of taking too many and getting sucked into the tv or something :eek:
I have to call success here.....nice and relaxing imo with an edge towards daydreaminess.... The REALLY impressive part is the fact that I am using such small amounts of ganja to accomplish the buzz. :thumbsup:
I will return and give another report later......;)
This coconut oil is COOL STUFF!!
I know what you mean :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Glad you were able to crack it.
Quantities can be a bit tricky, I took three of my current batch on Saturday at 6pm and was still wide awake and tripping at 5am the next day (almost 12 hour later)!!! Whereas, sometimes they're wearing off in the early hours 1 or 2am in the morning (8 or 9 hours later). It's all down to the quality of bud/hash/kief.
I made some using good nederhash a month back that I took on Sunday eve that had me high until Monday lunch time. I had to get someone to drive me to work, where I just stared into space for the first two hours.
You know you've really cracked it when a cup of coffee the next day triggers a relapse.
One last tip, I find that if I have something to eat at around the point I'm starting to come down, about an hour later I'm right back up again at the peak for another hour or so.
Hey, looking forward to reading the full report. :jointsmile:
You mentioned hash and keif being more predictable than bud....do you usually use hash yourself?
Just lately, because I've been waiting to harvest my own plant, and so haven't bought any bud recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
The reason for mentioning that hash and kief are 'more predictable' is purely down to the wider percentage margins of THC content found in different types of bud (everything from 5% to 20% - depending on strain and source).
So, for example someone making capsules using mid grade is going to need to take 'roughly' two capsules to get the same effect as someone who takes one made from good bud.
As a rule of thumb though, the THC content of 1 gram of kief/hash is the equivalent to that of 1.5 grams of good bud (once the stems, pointed leaves etc are removed). So, hopefully, the capsules will be as uniform in potency as possible regardless of what they're made from.
So far, my own results have been pretty similar using all three (though I have found the oil made from hash easier to fill the capsules with - less residue).
How's the experience been for you so far?
I hope its gone well! :jointsmile:
Hi Flame,
Well...I've had 5 pills total over 7 hours and I'm pretty much where I want to be. The amount of high for the amount of bud used is AMAZING.......probably about 1/5 of the amount to get to about the same place as I usually need BUT with a somewhat less physical drag on the body (but still a NICE body stone) That alone is extremely impressive to me......BUT the easy cooking, storing etc are NOTHING to sneer at either. :jointsmile:
I'm right about at the place in my mind that is perfect for me....very relaxed but not STUPID with a fair amount of body stone and (if not poked at) most likely drifting off with a smile. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for....so HUGE THANKS to Flame for making this very doable recipe. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
These will definitely be my method of choice from now on...could NOT be easier to cook with that crockpot method and I'm pretty sure my next batch (on low) will be more head and less body which is a pretty damn cool selection for only one type of weed.
I've been careful with the amounts I took....waiting for the effect before taking more (as I have made THAT mistake in the past....:() but I can EASILY see that if you took enough you could get P-R-E-T-T-Y stoned off these babies so DO take Flame's good advice and go easy.
GREAT JOB Flame!!!!!
Weedhound, thank you so much! :thumbsup:
I'm so glad they're working well for you.
I too was very surprised at how strong you could make these things out of just a little bud. Over the last ten years I must have tried virtually every space cake type thing going (I could write a book on the commercial ones available in Amsterdam lol), but so far, not much gets anywhere near the 'bang for the buck' I've had out of these things. :jointsmile:
I'll look forward to swapping tips with you.
Hey, let me know if you try a four hour simmer, as that's something I need to experiment with myself.
Thanks again and cheers :D
:stoned: :D
Harf!Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Famous last words...
:D :rasta:
I've been reduced to little symbols with my stoniness.....:jointsmile:
cheers to that!
ive gotta get me some hash now! and some capsules! and some oil! and some....wow....
...guess ill smoke some hash while i wait for the ebay delivery truck....lol
hot dog! theres some cool lokkin RED capsules on ebay!
quetion: are 0, 00, and 000 all the same size?
No they are all different sizes so whatever size you choose...stick with it. I hope Flame or somebody remembers which is smaller.....I think 0 is small and moves up in size.....don't quote me.......;)
Size 00 is the size usually used by us cannabis pill poppers....:D
ok. cuz theres also size 1...
i havent tried myself, but how difficult is it to open/close the capsules?
i know theres devices to do it, but im curious about by hand...
VERY easy to take empty capsules apart.....it's filling the bastards that is such a hellhole. :wtf:
update: my hubby ate two "blobs" last night which equals about 0.15 gm of bud (he usually eats about a 1gm cookie to sleep with) and slept GREAT......says he can still feel it somewhat this afternoon....20 hours later.
I made a new batch of blobs on low....I think I agree with Flame that the low setting works a little better. :thumbsup:
Hey Flame, do you know if cheese has enough of this "short chain fatty acids"? Ive searched a lot in the internet, but coudnt find a good answer.
Hi Coelho, how's it going?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coelho
From the studies I've looked at it seems that cheese is generally is very good source of saturated fat, and therefore high in short chain fatty acids (possibly part of the reason your 'weed sandwich' works so well). It does vary quite a bit though, depending on the type of cheese you use.
Ironically, some of the best are the Dutch cheeses: Edam and Gouda, but as a rule of thumb, the hard cheeses seem to score well.
The reason the short-chain fatty acids work so well in Canna cooking is a bit on the technical side, but basically, they don't need to be broken down or emulsified by the 'bile acids' in the stomach, and therefore are absorbed directly into the liver via the portal artery. This means that, unlike the longer chain fatty acids (which require a lengthier and much more complex process), most of what youve eaten gets transferred into the bloodstream (part of the reason that saturated fats are seen as less healthy).
In the case of the longer chain acids, because the process is so much involved a high percentage of THC will have passed 'harmlessly' through the small intestines without being converted.
There are also some studies that claim the 'denser' molecular structure of 'single bond' saturated fats allow for a higher absorption rate of THC, than monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fats and oils, but absolute conclusive evidence of this is hard to come by.
Hope this helps, you'll have to let me know what you have in mind. I'm always up for trying new techniques.
P.S. I've been reading your instructions on 'green dragon' and feel inspired to give it a whirl. It's not something I've tried before, so I'm probably going to have a few questions of my own for you if that's OK?
Hi weedhoundQuote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
I'll be following your hubby's example in about 5 minutes (it's almost 5pm here, so I expect them to start kicking in at about 6.30pm, and peaking at around 10pm - hopefully winding down at around 1am). Can't wait to get the stereo on!!
Cheers, and have a good one, flame :jointsmile: :thumbsup:
Seat belts people! :D:thumbsup:
Hmm I dunno...
Sold! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Flameon
This sounds amazing and very simple to do, as soon as I get some capsules(I think thats all I need to buy...everything else is scattered around me). I look forward to having a nice 'capsulated' high soon :hippy:
It helped a lot... thanks very much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameon
What i had in mind was far for anything scientific... i was wishing to get more stoned than usual, and thought about eating weed (or hash oil in my case).
Then, reading your post i learned the reason because your recipe works even with small amounts of weed (the short chain fatty acids). But the only oil i had was soybean oil, which is rich in poliinsaturated fats, and very poor in saturated (the good ones). As the only other source of fat i had was cheese, i thought it could work.
Of course i did weed sandwich several times, but as i always used a LOT of weed, i never knew if the strong effects i felt were due the good absortion of the THC by the cheese, or due the amounts of weed i did use.
As now i have only small amounts of hash oil, i had to be sure that mixing it in cheese would work with small amounts.
So, even without your answer, i did it. I used about 6x the amount i would smoke usually, and get almost as high as if i had smoked. Or rather... the level of higness were almost the same, but the duration were far greater... some 2-3 hours of high.
Well... it would be VERY unfair if i refused to answer your questions, after this long reply from you... anyway, i have the same pleasure that you have in answering questions, so any questions will be welcome! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameon
Hey Flame,
I tried to make some capsules this weekend and Ill give you an update.I used what I had on hand and just made my butter recipe.I figured if I screwed it up I could just make treats:).I have been upping my ratio of butter to weed over the past few months and the strongest I have made up to this point was 3-4 cups of weed/trim/shake to one pound of butter.Fri.night I used 6 cups of weed/trim/shake to one pound of butter.I put in my crock pot (total of 2 lbs butter,12 cups weed/trim/shake) with 10 cups of water and let it cook down for 12 hours.I took one capsule right before I went to bed and it helped me sleep and I was having great dreams.Ill give you an update on how my stuff worked out.The one thing I noticed using almost twice as much weed in my butter was how very very dark green it was,almost a shade or two away from being black/green.
Hey Weedhound,yup I found the capsules to be a pain in the ass to fill as well but I am getting my technique down.I keep the capsules in the fridge and use a sharp knife and shave slivers of butter off and fill it that way.I tried the syringe method but just melted the caps.I still have to watch it though as my fingers will melt the caps as well.
Well more updates later.Hey flame thanks for the great thread...heres your atta boy for the day:thumbsup:.Take care,be well, and most of all be safe.
I understand you make them into capsules to help yourself with dosage, and the ability to base your boundaries and experiences on how many you have taken, but if you really wanted to, could you just take an equal liquid portion of the butter oil and just drink it for the same effects?
I don't mean to derail the thread, but I've been reading hashish eating stories all day and my capsules haven't arrived yet. I have a tiny bit of hash left and Im thinking I'll just rearrange the ingredient amounts and chug it before school tomorrow =P.
I really think the capsule is just something to put things in. I'm not using the capsules and I just let the stuff harden on a plate (using coconut oil) and I'm sure you can do the same thing with the butter. Or slap it on a cracker or something. :thumbsup:
Ok,here is my update.Last night I took two of the capsules,made sure I ate something.About an hour and 15 minutes later I felt a slight buzz,and decided I needed to take another capsule.About 15-20 minutes later the first two (I am assuming)slammed me down on the couch and I stayed there the rest of the night.About an hour and half or so later I was having great dreams.
Here is the problem,my stomach was very very upset and if I wasnt so blasted probably would have been very uncomfortable to the point of having a great deal of discomfort.I did eat with the first two and then got the munchies before I took the third.My capsules are essentially my butter recipe (12 cups weed,10-12 cups of water,2 lbs of organic butter).Any thoughts or ideas?If I am going to have problems I usually get heart burn pretty bad sometimes,but I didnt with this,just a really upset stomach,upset and painful almost.Take care,be well,and most of all be safe.