And for those of us with ruptured disks, PVC is oooh sooo much lighter.
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And for those of us with ruptured disks, PVC is oooh sooo much lighter.
I'm thinking about going with "Arjans Ultra Haze #1" from greenhouse seeds. It is a sativa and grows pretty tall, im going to need to build a pretty big box if i want to grow a couple of these. I have a whole room to work with and money is not an issue, how big should i be looking at making this box?
I'm thinking at least 6 feet tall, 8 or 10 would be better. You can always keep it smaller if you use a screen to keep them down. You can also go a little less tall if you use fluorescent lighting instead of HID (not recommended). Don't forget to plan on spending as much on venting as you do on lighting if you do HID. If you are only doing 2 plants 3x3' wide and deep should be plenty, or even 2x2'. If space and money were not an issue, I would build it bigger rather than smaller. I would also have a separate veg and bud area so I could harvest twice as often. 2 plants ever 4 months will not keep you supplied, especially if you are generous. (search sog and scrog) Don't forget a mother area and a cloning area so you can clone after your first harvest. Way easier and faster than seeds.
I sure wish money were not an issue in my life. Sigh...
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You're going to want to make it as tall as possible, in my opinion. Sativas get really tall.... and making a high box gives you lots of wiggle room for you light heights. 6 feet is not enough as 2-3ft can be taken up by your hydro setup and the lights. And don't forget you need a space between the lights and the plants. 8 is great, in anything less than 7 I'd consider scrogging. Hell, the taller the better.
As far as your room size and money not being an issue.. I need specifics... How big is the room and how much are you really ready to spend? 3, 5, 10?
Very insightful. I agree with you 100%! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
PC :smokin:
lol
If you have a room, you don't need a box at all, unless you will be using the room for stuff that interferes with the light schedules. If you build a cabinet or box, like bud luv says, taller is better. I don't know if you have 10' ceilings, but I would make it that tall if so, or however tall your ceiling is. And if money were really not an issue, I would probably spend about 50 thousand on one room.
Yeah, what does "..." mean anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by PharmaCan
it was an accident...
I dunno - but I've been puffing on some "early" Widow and it pretty much signified my state of mind at the time. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
PC :stoned:
My bad, sorry for the confusion. It was 8x4. So I guess take whatever I said and divide that in half. I know it is 100% my fault, but in my defense I offer a stoney minds rendition of this from PharmaCan:Quote:
Originally Posted by bud luv
You would be much better off with two 1,000 watt lights. A 4'x4' footprint is kinda big for a 600 watt. You would also be better with reflectors instead of cool tubes - you'll get better light distribution
(WELL PERHAPS I SKIMMED A LITTLE TOO, CAN'T REMEMBER.)
PharmaCan, I also am wondering if you and I are talking about the same reflector for the cool tube. Are you talking about the one that comes with the cool tube, or one that you can buy as an accessory, that is bigger and more realistic? I only grow in a 3x3 space, but my plants never seem to show a need for more light, and I use a cool tube. I don't use the aftermarket reflector though. My tube is encased in a thing that vents the tube and supplies air flow for the plants, as it is reflecting light, since it is white.
The room i have to use is approx 25x12 square room i have about 5 g's for the setup and everything else needed
I'll say again... you want large yields, go for a strain that is well-suited to a sea of green and a proven commercial producer. You're looking for minimal stretch as part of this package. I personally consider hazes to be headstash lines. That's just my opinion... that indica structure is so easy to deal with in a small commercial grow.
Well said.
I would use sog or scrog and have x2 1000W MH and x3 1000W HPS. About x6 23W CFL for the mother and clone section. Your money will be about gone after those lights and the ventilation required, so I would stick with some DIY DWC set up for the grow method. And since the VP is such a VIP, perhaps it would be best if we kept it on the QT, or we could all end up MIA and be put on KP.
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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Yeah thats what i was thinking with the SOG. A couple questions what is DIY DWC, VP, QT, KP? Im leaning towards this hydro system
Texas Hydroponics :: Hydroponics :: Hydroponic Systems :: Bucket Systems :: Ebb & Gro Hydro System Complete
Are the standard 2 gallon pots that come with these too small for the size plants im aiming at?
1. I am so sorry. There I go again confusing the hell out of people. I guess I just felt like I was on a roll, spitting out all those abbreviations, then that line from the movie "Good Morning Vietnam" suddenly popped into my head and I just kept writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by yiGity
SOG - Sea Of Green
SCROG - SCreen Of Green
x2, x3, x6 - Two each, three each, six each
W - Watt
MH - Metal Halide
HPS - High Pressure Sodium
CFL - Compact Fluorescent Lighting
DIY - Do It Yourself
DWC - Deep Water Culture
VP - Vice President
VIP - Very Important Person
QT - Quiet Time
MIA - Missing In Action
KP - Kitchen Patrol
Except for the dumb ones, these and many more can be found in this sticky:
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-gro...hing-mean.html
I highly recommend those unfamiliar with the lingo take a look.
2. That should do the trick. I like the way you can expand it to suit your needs and available space, and it can have a footprint that is an irregular shape. With that system you can have a lot of "roots in air" time, which is really good. Keep in mind that you need to be able to move either the plants or the lights if you do SOG. Also don't forget that the flowering section will need to be light-proof, or at least away from the veg sections' lighting schedule. I think it's fairly easy to unfasten those buckets and move them. I think you could raise the pump a couple inches, then drain the lines by undoing the last one in each line.
3. I think 2 gallon pots are perfect for what you are trying to do. Unless you are going to veg for an abnormally long time (you usually do just the opposite in SOG), the buckets will provide plenty of room for the roots of 1 plant.
Opie - For sure man i appreciate it, i want to know exactly what im about to do before i start building my setup. I have read a couple books and they all boast SOG for best overall efficency, to me though it looks like its going to take a while to get it fully running in the cycles i have read with every 2-3 weeks a different batch is being moved from veg to flow... I'm going to be starting from seed so i'm thinking about growing some trees before i can get the whole SOG operational with clones, etc.. Thanks for the info
What does "25x12 square" mean? That sounds like more of a rectangle to me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by yiGity
Anyways it sounds like you're going to want several lights which means the first thing you need to think about is your electrical source. For all you know all the outlets in the room might be on the same 15 amp breaker, which could mean you need to make some electrical mods (240v conversion) or find a way to to get some heavy duty extension cords going from outlets on different breakers.
Oh, and while that system is decent you can make something that would be better for a fraction of the price. $800 is way too much for a 12 bucket recirculating system. You could make your own that would be better and with 5 gallon buckets for under $300.
Read these threads and you'll become a semi-expert on DWC/Waterfarms
http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponi...wc-club-7.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...row-log-4.html
Note - those links don't go to the first page in those threads.. I meant for you to take them from the top, so you'll have to go back to the first page on em.
First off, you will never know EXACTLY what you are going to do before you do it, especially on a first grow of a new set up. There will always be a certain amount of making it up as you go along.Quote:
Originally Posted by yiGity
Second, you don't have to start of with a top of the line sog. You can have one place to veg and one to bud, and just move the vegged ones into the bud section once you harvest, which is roughly every two months. You don't have change or harvest every three weeks.
And C, bud luv is right about building your own for a lot less money, if that's the kind of thing you are into.
THAT is the best advice in this thread, lol. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
true true thanks for the info
stinky's right about being able to break it down and bud luv is right about framing out. A great compromise is to use galvanized deck screws. Like I mentioned in the most used tool section, I love my drill. I use it all the time. As a grower it can be your best friend. I find my setup is in a constant state of upgrading and I can't imagine doing it without...but I digress...
Build yourself a closet. Having the headroom is great and you can have a shelf above the light for storing water while it dechloronates (dechlorofies?) if using soil.
You can make a fake room in a day and no one would ever know it was there. (As long as it isn't in your living room) People will think it's your water heater or some shit.
I have a spare bedroom that I use the closet in right now but I will be moving out into the main room I think. I will just basically set up a table in the middle and hank my light from where the ceiling fan is now. OK I'm rambling from the sleep meds.
Good luck on the build yiGity
yeah im pretty sure im going to just build my own setup, i have experience in woodworking from high school. i cant imagine building two big box frames with wood and screws being that difficult, im more concerned about everything else that goes with the box; venting, lighting, hydro system and the c02 setup. ive been reading alot from different growers and posts on this site, i have a pretty good idea of what im aiming at doing it just seems like a lot of shit to remember... about to start this real soon here....