Opie Yutts I need your help friend

quote=GrowMe

1) Put 2 tsps per 2 gallons...No idea if this is good or bad but guess we'll see...What you think?
I'd say that if you don't want to get a $25 PPM pen, then you should figure out how much nutrients to add by the directions on the container, or by starting low and gradually increasing until you see the first sign of nute burn, then back it off to the previous amount. Of course the easiest and most accurate way is by PPM levels.

2)Finally got a thermo/hygrometer..Is reading 88 degrees F and 58%RH..Think thats ok? I only have 4 - 26 W CFLs in there now..can't imagine how hot its going to be when I flower...
More windage! Your plants will most likely do better if you keep your temps under 85, but better yet under 80. 60 humidity is best, but mine do fine a 35.

3) is it ok for them to be in hte same closet next to the aero system? If so should i put them outdoors when i want them to flower or something liek that...
Just keep in mind that clones, mothers, and vegging plants need 18/6 light, and blooming plants need 12/12. You cannot let the two schedules interfere with each other.

4)NOW, the question is should i get a 4 outlet ecoplus bubbler air pump: ?
4 Outlet EcoPlus Air Bubbler Pump Hydroponics Aquarium - (eBay item 200173694847 end time Nov-20-07 14:30:00 PST)
OR - Just get another one of the small 2 outlet air pump like i have now?
Well you are going to have to decide that, but I recommend going bigger and fewer rather than more and smaller when it comes to air pumps. I would definitely not buy the EcoPlus line. I have had very bad luck with them. They seem to give up pumping, or continue pumping but start doing it extremely loud after just a few months. I hope I'm not too late, but check this out: http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponi...bles-once.html

If i were to do this it would obviously eliminate the sprinkler..Would that be sufficient as long as a couple inches of roots were in the water?
Yes, you don't even need any roots in the water, but it is best for power outages purposes. The bubbles popping on the surface should provide plenty of moisture to roots.

Thanks everybody, especially OPIE!!!!!
No problem.

OPIE SINCE YOUR KIND THOUGHTS SEEMS MY PLANT HAS TAKEN A WEIRD TURN

WILL YOU LOOK AT MY LTEST UPDATE/THOUGHTS AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK?

PLEASE

THANKS

SEE:

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponi...ml#post1734983

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WILL YOU LOOK AT MY LTEST UPDATE/THOUGHTS AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK?

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Done.

Opie..i'm still here, i actually had some problems logging in..(problems being i forgot my password to both here and email account..anywho:

1) I def wanna get a ppm pin but don't have the flow right now..I was looking at sum with 6 different readouts..that measure PH/temp/EC/TDS/PPM..They are about 100 bucks..Are these good? PH Temp CF EC TDS PPM 6 in 1 Water Monitor Tester Meter - (eBay item 290183403324 end time Nov-28-07 23:18:49 PST)

Are they any better than a cheapy $25 pin?

2)I def. need more windage but its kinda hard with hte ghetto setup i got going in the closet..I've got the temps down to about 80-82..even as low as 72, but thats after 6 hours of darkness and constant fans blowing and at night of course..Humidity seems to float anywhere from 40 to 55

Sorry i hit post reply a little early :stoned:

3) As far as keeping a mother that prob won't happen this time around cause i only have one area to work with..was wondering though, do you only keep a lady vegging to become a mother if shes in soil? was wondering if people keep a mother thats in a dro system..Ive been reading that mold and algae might be a prob for me in the future..yet to see any to this point but they aren't even 3 weeks yet..

4) it wasn't too late..i did not get the ecoplus as you suggested. I actually just went and got another 10 dollar pump and it seems to be working fine thus far..


You said i don't need the roots in the water so they aren't ..i took my two biggest plants and put them in there own system as of yesterday..they have a 4 inch circular air stone each..One i just put the 3" net pot directly into a 5" pot and the other i actually pulled the plant out of the 3" and put it in the 5"..Make sense? lol hopefully not confusing you.. The others i will prob go ahead and pull out of hte smaller pots before transplanting to bigger ones..i was just kinda scared to try with the first plant...there were a lot more roots on the first plant too...SO, are you sure the plants are getting enough oxygen from just the bubbles? I mean the roots WERE getting saturated with water in the smaller system from the sprinkler, now the roots are not even showing out of the larger net pots yet..

For fear that the roots might suffocate or not be moist enough i've taken a turkey baster and put some of hte water out of their buckets and drip from top a couple times a day..think that is ok?

Dammit! keep hitting Enter after a long thought..sorry guys...buds must be better than i thought..

So here are some pictures. The 2 biggest ones in their own buckets are 19 days old from seed..and the one thats still in the multiple system thats short and has wide fan leaves is also 19 days old but has been sick for the past few days. :( she looked awesome up until a few days ago..i woke up and she looked near death..very wilted and laying over..i watered and she came back to life but hasn't been the same since..bottom leaves are curled up....just not looking that great..a hydroton rock was kind of sitting on her stem when i first put her in the sytem but she refused to give up..i'm hoping she will pull through as i could tell she was a different type of strand/strain? sorry forget which it is..a lot shorter than the others and growing out rather than up..

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By the way i know you cant tell if they are females yet but i call them my girls anyway...i'm trying to think postive! :D

Here are some more pics of my biggest and healthiest plant..however the bottom leaves are a little yellow and starting to brown..?????? PPM?????????? Did I FRY em?

let me know what you think..Actually went to the dro shop in my area and the cheapest ppm was like 90..gotta order one i guess..

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air stones and roots(bad pic)

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Man this stuff is fun..its hard to believe these things were just a seed not even 3 weeks ago..Sometimes i think man they aren't really growing that fast but when i look at the first pics of this thread i'm like whoa..lol think i found a new hobby :thumbsup:

And all is due to the Genius' of this board..Thank you all!

Now i hope the rest is smooth but somethings telling me not to get my hopes up..

One more question for now, or maybe a few..I just got a Jack herer seed from a friend like two days ago..the bud is really sick..i'll try and get a pick of that up as well..but check this out..so i'm lightly squeezing the seed to make sure its good and it is..i guess i figured id squeeze it a little bit harder and the f*cker broke..very pissed of at myself i put it in a wet paper towel and way and today its germed and looks ok..Anybody have this happen before? think it will be ok? and also if it does survive does it need 24 hour light for a few days at least or can it go directly to 18/6 with the other sluts..

And if anyone was wondering the other plant thats in the starter system next to the sick one is only about 10 days old..That ones a freakin beast..might catch up and surpass the big ones..

Thanks again everybody!!!!!!!!!!!

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Heres a pic before i transplanted the two largest..then theres the short one thats sick and the other one thats the beast..i figured it out its only 9 days old from seed not 10...Do they seem to be growing at a good rate? Fast, slow, about average? Shorter plants are sativas? Any comments or suggestions are much appreciated...

Few more pics:

Anybody ever use that dutch masters and florablend? got it for free

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1) I def wanna get a ppm pin but don't have the flow right now..I was looking at sum with 6 different readouts..that measure PH/temp/EC/TDS/PPM..They are about 100 bucks..Are these good? PH Temp CF EC TDS PPM 6 in 1 Water Monitor Tester Meter - (eBay item 290183403324 end time Nov-28-07 23:18:49 PST)

Are they any better than a cheapy $25 pin?

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I don't know if they are better as far as quality and how long they will last, but they are not the same thing that I was talking about. If you can, you definately should have one in your grow, but you will also want something smaller that you can just dip in your solution at the sink. That is unless you mix your solution in your reservoir.

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3) ..was wondering though, do you only keep a lady vegging to become a mother if shes in soil? was wondering if people keep a mother thats in a dro system..Ive been reading that mold and algae might be a prob for me in the future..

You said i don't need the roots in the water so they aren't .. ...SO, are you sure the plants are getting enough oxygen from just the bubbles?

For fear that the roots might suffocate or not be moist enough i've taken a turkey baster and put some of hte water out of their buckets and drip from top a couple times a day..think that is ok?

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You can keep mothers in hydro or dirt, it doesn't matter. Many people like dirt and fluoros, because it's easy to grow slow growing plants that way. Mold should not be a problem unless you have improper ventilation, either way, soil or hydro.

I said roots don't need to be in water, but they do need moisture from something, be it you with a turkey baster, a drip system, bubbles popping and splashing on the roots (like a cheapo aerocloner). I didn't say not to water your plants. I'm not sure what you mean by getting enough oxygen from the bubbles. If some of your roots are in mid air they are getting oxygen, and if you put bubbles in your system you are putting oxygen into the water, which the plants really like. They need oxygen, so if you suffocate them, like drown the roots all the way up to the plant, and leave them in stagnant water, they will die.

Yes, I think it is OK that you are using a turkey baster. I also think however, that if you are going to use a drip system to keep the roots moist, then you ought to do it automatically with a timer and some 1/4" line or something.

I'll try to answer some more tomorrow. Looking forward to the pictures.

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Here are some more pics of my biggest and healthiest plant..however the bottom leaves are a little yellow and starting to brown..?????? PPM?????????? Did I FRY em?

let me know what you think..Actually went to the dro shop in my area and the cheapest ppm was like 90..gotta order one i guess

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Looks like that air stone is making some nice fine bubbles. It's hard to tell if you fried them or starved them without knowing what ppm your solution is. For those littlest ones, you probably want less than 600ppm. For those bigger ones, I should think they could handle twice that. Remember when you increase food, do it slowly and in stages so that you can watch for any signs of nute burn.

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One more question for now, or maybe a few..I just got a Jack herer seed from a friend like two days ago..the bud is really sick..i'll try and get a pick of that up as well..but check this out..so i'm lightly squeezing the seed to make sure its good and it is..i guess i figured id squeeze it a little bit harder and the f*cker broke..very pissed of at myself i put it in a wet paper towel and way and today its germed and looks ok..Anybody have this happen before? think it will be ok? and also if it does survive does it need 24 hour light for a few days at least or can it go directly to 18/6 with the other sluts..

And if anyone was wondering the other plant thats in the starter system next to the sick one is only about 10 days old..That ones a freakin beast..might catch up and surpass the big ones..

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That's pretty cool that the seed germinated after breaking in half. I've never heard of that before. If it sprouted, it should be OK provided it is properly taken care of.

18/6 light is fine for the newly hatched.

It is common for some from the same batch to grow bigger than the others. I think it has mainly to do with how big of a root mass they get in the first week or two. You may want to take cuttings of the fastest growing/biggest ones and clone these for a mother or two.

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Do they seem to be growing at a good rate? Fast, slow, about average? Shorter plants are sativas? Any comments or suggestions are much appreciated...

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Growth seems about right. Shorter bushier plants are usually indica.

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Anybody ever use that dutch masters and florablend? got it for free

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Ive not used either, but General Hydro generally makes good stuff.

It looks like you kinda are getting the hang of it, and getting a feel for what needs to happen in hydro. Keep up the good work and you will soon be smoking your own creation.

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Remember when you increase food, do it slowly and in stages so that you can watch for any signs of nute burn.
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Opie

I applaud you on taking time to answer questions on here. Great stuff man!

My ppms last week were 750 then last night I bumped it up to like 830 or so. At what intervals with regards to ppms are you thinkin.

I also think I read on here that some like to push the pant(s) max and just burn the very tips on the fan leaves then back off a hair. How long (in hours) would you guestimate you would notice this in the plant?

Thanks B


Latest pic

26 days from sprout

Hydro will tell you in 24hrs if they dont like it:thumbsup:

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My ppms last week were 750 then last night I bumped it up to like 830 or so. At what intervals with regards to ppms are you thinkin.

I also think I read on here that some like to push the pant(s) max and just burn the very tips on the fan leaves then back off a hair. How long (in hours) would you guestimate you would notice this in the plant?

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I think for a plant that size you are doing it about right. Here's my schedule, but remember I figured this out after a couple harvests of experimenting to find the right amount. Yours could be different. Also my well water starts with 260 ppm before I add anything.

week 1-2: Whatever ppm happens when you mix 3 drops of SuperThrive per gallon. I usually leave them in the cloner for 2 weeks, sometimes even more, unless I am in a hurry. In that case maybe 10 days. Sometimes I've even started growing them in the cloner (if I'm busy or something), and start upping the ppm right there.

week 3: At the start of week 3 the plants come out of the cloner and go into the system. I pull the light at least 3 feet back for my 600W, or 2 1/2 feet for my 400 watt (Also decided through experimentation). My ppm goes up to 650. During the few times I grow from seed and in dirt, at week three I go to about 400 instead, and lower the other weeks ppm a little too.

week 4: ppm = 1000

week 5: ppm = 1200

week 6 through harvest: ppm = 1450

Yes, a good way to find out exactly how much food your plants want is to keep increasing slowly, maybe 50 or 100 ppm at a time. Keep doing so until you notice the first signs of nute stress, which is yellowing on the tips and leaf edges, then back it off 50 or 100 ppm. Make sure you take special note of the recipes, so you only have to go through it once. It's kind of a pain.

And Cyclonite is correct. You should start seeing signs of stress in about 24 hours, give or take.

Check this out, it might give you some ideas:

Opie

I applaud you on taking time to answer questions on here. Great stuff man!

Well said!

And those pics look great GodBud! I'm jealous..a few days behind you but seems like a few weeks by the looks of things..

This pic i just took and shes not looking too good..I gotta get a damn PPM pin..Can someone give me a link or tell me the make and model of one you prefer?


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A few more pics for yer viewing pleasure..

Pics don't do em justice..The big green bitch is supposed to be Jack herer and forgot the purples name....However it has little purple bulbs all over it..almost looks like purple seeds at first glance..smoke is amazing..smell, taste, etc. Same for Jack..!!!


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Opie, thanks for all the great advice..I hope i am on my way to burning my own creation..

Few things :

1) I forgot to F***ing soak my hydroton before hand and my ph has been a real bitch to control since i switched to bigger buckets..How long will this last? Should i change?

2)LIghts? I need more lights..i have 4 26 Watt CFLs.. 5500K What should i add if i put two more bulbs in there?

3)some of hte roots are turning brown..Are they dying?

Thanks for everything everyone!

Damn my camera blows..Wish yhou guys could see that bud in person..or youd probably rather partake but you know what i mean..thanks again..i'll be patiently waiting..

Need better camera or better focus. Pics are blurry.

1) I forgot to F***ing soak my hydroton before hand and my ph has been a real bitch to control since i switched to bigger buckets..How long will this last? Should i change?
I'm not exactly qualified to answer that question since I don't use rockwool. My understanding is that it can continue fluctuating throughout the grow. Remember rockwool sucks? And that's not the only reason it sucks. I am making the automatic PH doser listed in the grow faqs. If I was in your situation I would definitely consider doing that too. You can have rockwool and not have to worry about PH at the same time.

2)LIghts? I need more lights..i have 4 26 Watt CFLs.. 5500K What should i add if i put two more bulbs in there?
Of course the more the better up to a certain point. That point is a long way off in your circumstance. 5500K is perfect for veg. Where did you get them? All I kind find in stores around here is 5800, and that's if they even have anything other than 2700K. As usual I recommend HID lighting, but that takes a lot of venting. If you're sticking with CFL I would get about 4 more, or some bigger ones. Also it's best if you could have about 15% red spectrum while vegging, and the opposite during budding.

3)some of hte roots are turning brown..Are they dying?
Pictures? It could be root rot, but probably not, it's more likely discoloration from the nutrients.

I'll try and get some pics up soon of hte roots..or the lack there of..as far as lights..what about like the 300 watt lights you can get anywhere..i think they are clear bulbs..is that bad for flowering?

How you like the pics?

Well I am wondering how soon I will be able to tell the sex. I bought the beans Femenized as advertised from growshopalien. I hope its a girl. I will be optomistic. This particular strain is a Jack Herer. The bud Growme posted although blury looks pretty tasty. The plant just fanned out it first set of 9s. How soon do you think until I can tell sex and when would you suggest 12/12?

Peace

Day 28 Veg

It depends a bunch on your goals. Some people skip vegging completely and go right to 12/12. You get less weed per plant that way, but you get to harvest more often/sooner. If you want to tell the sex before the normal time to change lights, search presex or presexing.

Opie,

Yeah I am familiar with putting them into 12/12 for a couple weeks to get gender then going back to 18/16, it sets you back a little but if not in a hurry then why not. I dont wanna do that. It will show sex eventually. I was just wondering if there was a correlation between the leaf sets to showing sex. For example, is there a trend where say the next 1 or 2 nodes after the first set of 9, is when sex will show during the veg cycle. Thats just an example of what I am asking.

Peace

Good questions GodBud. I'm curious about that as well.. Yours looks very healthy and strong!

I have a few questions for someone..

As far as lighting goes, i have a small space and venting is an issue..can't do anything that involves ballasts or anything of that nature..I noticed at Home depot they have 75 watt High Pressure Sodium bulbs that appear to screw into a regular size socket..Does it still require a ballast for the smaller HPS bulbs?

What about using this?

z-100 Watt Compact Fluorescent 2700K Warm White - Mogul Base CFL

If i buy this how much more will i need? Basically i'm trying to make the most of hte area i have and funds to spend.. I need to know what hte least amount of watts i can use for a 3.5' x 2.5' x 6' area... 4 plants..

Also are any of these PPM meters decent?

HM TDS-4 METER Digital Thermometer PPM TESTER Hydro New - (eBay item 320190391707 end time Dec-04-07 03:10:27 PST)

New TDS Meter Reverse Osmosis Reef RO Water PPM Tester - (eBay item 120188891405 end time Dec-02-07 19:32:59 PST)

HANNA TDS1 TDS Tester/Meter/1, Water Filter/PPM/DI/RO - (eBay item 280176916370 end time Dec-03-07 16:35:14 PST)

HANNA Primo TDS Meter, PPM Tester, Conductivity - (eBay item 280177712069 end time Dec-05-07 22:16:26 PST)


Thanks again guys!

I have seen those HPS at the depot. The one I saw was higher watts and said on the label it required a special ballast. You might read the label and see, if it doesnt say anything then just ask they are pretty helpful there.

Too bad you cant crank a 400 + HID :(

I use the Milwaukie SM802 Smart Combined Meter. It rocks!

Peace

How is that Herer bud?

Godbud i wish could too..Hopefully next time will be 1000 HID..For now gotta do the best i can with what i got..what about halogens? i've heard they aren't ideal, is that correct..I found these at 150 watt and 2700 kelvin..Whats the absolute best you can get? 2500k, 2700k, 3000k, 3500k? ??? ???

THanks for everything guys..got my other two in their seperate buckets today..i'll get some pictures up soon..

And that Jack Herer is sick..so is the purps..

Talk to you soon


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Sorry guys but i have a few more questions..with pictures.

Heres some haze i got today

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First off one of hte leaves completely fell off today..

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How bad is that? The rest of the plant looks pretty good..pic of the roots..

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...7/DSC02155.jpg

The roots exploded just in the last day or so...But only the two plants that i put in their own buckets..I'm using 2 gal buckets now..the roots are so damn long that they are touching the bottom of the buckets..Is this bad? As you can see in the pic below ive lowered the water level drastically so as little of the roots as possible are sitting in the water...Is this a big deal? SHould i go to bigger buckets? That would really suck...

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...7/DSC02154.jpg

I need help guys!!!!!

ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY THAT HAS COMMENTS, CRITICISMS AND SUGGESTIONS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN!!!! ITS MUCH APPRECIATED


The two that were in the starter bucket were the two that the roots were turning brown..i think it was because of lack of moisture..i believe they were starting to die...they are in they're own buckets as of tonight..pics below..hopefully they'll bounce back like the others..

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THanks everybody!!!!!

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I was just wondering if there was a correlation between the leaf sets to showing sex. For example, is there a trend where say the next 1 or 2 nodes after the first set of 9, is when sex will show during the veg cycle. Thats just an example of what I am asking.

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Sorry, I'm not sure about that. I've never tried to sex them in veg.

quote=GrowMe

..can't do anything that involves ballasts or anything of that nature..I noticed at Home depot they have 75 watt High Pressure Sodium bulbs that appear to screw into a regular size socket..Does it still require a ballast for the smaller HPS bulbs?
All HID lighting needs a ballast. In fact so does fluorescent lighting, it's just included. I suppose it is possible that the ballast is incorporated in with the bulb somehow, but if it doesn't mention anything about that on the package, it aint so and you'll need a 75 W HPS ballast.

What about using this?
z-100 Watt Compact Fluorescent 2700K Warm White - Mogul Base CFL
If i buy this how much more will i need? Basically i'm trying to make the most of hte area i have and funds to spend.. I need to know what hte least amount of watts i can use for a 3.5' x 2.5' x 6' area... 4 plants..
I've seen people grow more than 4 plants with one of those, but I would want a little sumpin sumpin to go with it. That one is 2700K and for budding. I thought I saw somewhere some big ones like that, that are 5500K for vegging, but they are more expensive. Since you want 15% red for vegging and 15% blue for budding, you could have your sockets in a fixed position and change to the proper spectrum when you change from veg to bud. I would probably want about 4 other smaller bulbs, or another big one. One 5500 and one 2700K together for both veg and bloom would work pretty well for 4 plants I would think. That would make a little heat though and it would need to be vented somehow if the cabinet is sealed. For a place that small, if it has to hold everything, I guess I would not try HID lighting. I would definitely think hard about the possibilities of a sog or scrog grow in that little space. It is by far the best way to utilize a small space like that. Harvesting twice as often aint bad. You could also grow a little bigger than normal during cloning, skip vegging and go straight to flower. That would cut out the need for a flower section and give you room to keep a mother and cloner (a must in my book for any kind of repetitive harvesting).

Also are any of these PPM meters decent?
- HM TDS-4 METER Digital Thermometer PPM TESTER Hydro New - (eBay item 320190391707 end time Dec-04-07 03:10:27 PST)
- New TDS Meter Reverse Osmosis Reef RO Water PPM Tester - (eBay item 120188891405 end time Dec-02-07 19:32:59 PST)
- HANNA TDS1 TADS Tester/Meter/1, Water Filter/PPM/DI/RO - (eBay item 280176916370 end time Dec-03-07 16:35:14 PST)
- HANNA Primo TDS Meter, PPM Tester, Conductivity - (eBay item 280177712069 end time Dec-05-07 22:16:26 PST)
That last one looks alright. I didn't read everything on those, but I noticed one was from Australia, and one only went to 999. You want ppms of around 1400, so that one might be for an aquarium.

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I have seen those HPS at the depot. ...just ask they are pretty helpful there.
Huh? Well, I suppose, sometimes, if it's not a weekend or something.

Too bad you cant crank a 400 + HID
I suppose if you just had one area 6 feet tall, and the grow wasn't on a shelf or anything, and you vegged and budded in the same area, you might be able to do this with a cool tube or sealed hood and a couple good inline fans. Perhaps 75W or even 150W would be doable in a sog-type set up. Two levels with one HID each. Digital ballasts (for less heat) and inline fans could be mounted in one small section at the top and/or bottom. Mother and clones some small space in 1/4 of a closet somewhere else in the house. However... I'm thinken fluoro, and perhaps I would check into the newer, brighter and more efficient G5 tubes.

I use the Milwaukie SM802 Smart Combined Meter. It rocks!
Yeah, I wish I would have started off that way. Having one for PH and one for PPM aint so bad though.

quote=GrowMe

Heres some haze i got today
Looks nice.

First off one of hte leaves completely fell off today..
No biggie, that'll happen from time to time, especially on the lower ones. As long as the rest of the plant is healthy everything is fine.

How bad is that? The rest of the plant looks pretty good..
Not bad, see above.

the roots are so damn long that they are touching the bottom of the buckets..Is this bad?
No biggie, happens all the time. It would be pretty hard to stop it from happening, but there's no reason to.

As you can see in the pic below ive lowered the water level drastically so as little of the roots as possible are sitting in the water...Is this a big deal?
Well it something to think about. I don't know how big of a deal it is. It is very common for roots to be in water. You can have most of your roots in water, as long as you leave at least 4 inches or so that are not (at the top of course). It's best if they can have some in air, but you don't want so much in air that they get dried out. They need to get wet somehow, be it splashing from bubbles popping or intermittent spray jets, or drip from above, or whatever.

SHould i go to bigger buckets?
Did you say you have 5 or 3 gallon buckets? Either way both are plenty for a plant unless you are vegging an abnormally long time.

I need help guys!!!!!
I'm trying.

The two that were in the starter bucket were the two that the roots were turning brown..i think it was because of lack of moisture..i believe they were starting to die...they are in they're own buckets as of tonight..pics below..hopefully they'll bounce back like the others..
Can't exactly tell what happened from the blurry pictures. They usually do bounce back if they aren't too close to death.

THANK YOU SOOOOOOO MUCH OPIE!!!!!!!!

You are making this a hell of a lot easier..or at least not as difficult to get my questions answered..

-As far as changing my setup to SOG or something different, thats not going to happen this time around..i think i like the seperate bucket setup i have going for now..this will only be a one time thing in this space..then when i move/have more room, i'm going to go to a larger more dynamic setup.

-The buckets i'm using are exactly 2 gallons..kinda small but work well for the space constraints..

-If I get the big 100W CFL @ 2700k for flower can i use 2 or 3 of the 26 watt 5500k veg bulbs that i'm using now along with that? Will that be sufficient for flower?

-What about these halogens? they are 150 Watt @ 2900k..However I noticed there was a big difference in the lumens..What to do? Thanks for everything guys..

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What about Crystal clear bulbs? What kind of Kelvins do these have? They are 300 watts with pretty hight lumens..These def wouldn't work huh?

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-The buckets i'm using are exactly 2 gallons..kinda small but work well for the space constraints..
That's not a problem. Right now in my temporary grow I have 6 plants sharing 2 gallons, and they are doing fine.

-If I get the big 100W CFL @ 2700k for flower can i use 2 or 3 of the 26 watt 5500k veg bulbs that i'm using now along with that? Will that be sufficient for flower?
That would probably be good, if you get the lights real close to the plants. It's especially good you would be mixing colors. It should produce some nice buds.

-What about these halogens? they are 150 Watt @ 2900k..However I noticed there was a big difference in the lumens..What to do?
Halogens are bad. They run way too hot to do any good. If you are going to run that hot you can use HID lighting, and have twice the lumens per watt. Usually the wrong wavelength too, but 2900K might not be too bad, since your second choice for flowering is 2750K.

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What about Crystal clear bulbs? What kind of Kelvins do these have? They are 300 watts with pretty hight lumens..These def wouldn't work huh?

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I don't know for sure what Crystal clear bulbs are. Aren't they incandescent? Gotta link?

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what about halogens? i've heard they aren't ideal, is that correct..I found these at 150 watt and 2700 kelvin..Whats the absolute best you can get? 2500k, 2700k, 3000k, 3500k? ??? ???

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Sorry I missed this one earlier. Again no halogens. See above.

As for the best spectrum, that's really hard to tell. There are lots of things to consider when trying to figure out the best anything for a plant, light included. Unless I hear of a better way though, I am going to stick with whatever gives the plants the best chance at peak chlorophyll activity. According to the chart, 5700 and 6100K are the best choices for vegging, not between. 2450 and 2750K are the best for budding, not between. The best choice of each is the lower value. Good luck finding exactly those numbers on a bulb. Interestingly, you can achieve those numbers with LED lights, hmmm. Halogen lights normally hit somewhere in between the ideal numbers, or worse yet in between red and blue.