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I agree that thats the correct way to roll a joint, however, even when its just embering, its still burning and releasing thc. Now it may not be a lot of THC, but compared to the waste from a bong i beleive it would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
This question has too many variables for us to answer it correctly/consistently. Quality & quantity of weed, tolerance of user, size of bongs/joints/etc., amount of time the hit is inhaled for....
Bong water may catch some of the THC, but if smoked properly, won't burn as it sits and lose smoke like a joint will. I tend to think these things just about cancel each other out, don't you think?
All I know is that the only time that I have ever been scared to drive while high was after I ripped a PHX for the first time. Whew! I remember *shaking* as I walked outside to my vehicle because I was so nervous to drive. I ended up driving just fine. I was just SO high I wasn't sure whether or not I could still do it, lmao.
I was out of town at a buddies, and we were set to head out to the beach after I got to his house. He asked if I wanted to rip his PHX before we left.... :stoned:
in my professional opinion, nothing gets you as high as the bong (as far as smoking, excluding edibles)
that shit probably made no sense but it doesnt matter because this is post 420 for me mothafuckas yay!
I always use my bong without water anyways...because its too loud with water...so it doesnt really matter to me.
Joints are definitely more wasteful than bongs...nothing wrong with them though, infact, ive been rolling way more than using my pieces lately.
I'm using my bong right now and I'm only my 7th rip with half a bowl to go
its a fairly large bowl, but definately not huge :rastasmoke:
bongs dont waste weed! people just think they do cuz the bowl burns a lot faster.
but think about it, you get HIGH off a bong. if you are worried about wasting weed than stay away from joints.
:pimp:
You would have to put into effect, how much water was used in the bong, how accurately the joint was rolled, etc.
who cares?? i mean really who cares if you get high then who cares i use my bong most of the time and joints are pretty awesome too but i dont always have enough for a j so i mostly just smoke out of my bong i can get fucked up off of both a j and the bong
You have to account not necessarily for smoke or smoke content lost but THC destroyed by burning (which is what helps give vaporizers that boost in THC/tar ratio almost as much as the fact that less tar-able substance is burning). In a cigarette at least 90% of the nicotine is destroyed by burning, which is actually the reason that a few cigarettes in a row doesn't give you what would be, ingested, a dangerous and potentially fatal nicotine overdose. I don't have the exact percentage of THC destroyed by smoking, and I know it's not as close, but it's up there too. Most of the bad chemicals in smoke are the result of things burning... most of smoke, as a result, is composed just of chemicals that result from burning. A lot of the original stuff that can't burn well gets left as ash.
So now consider how much weed gets lit at all during a single hit from each device. Once the flame touches it, or worse just the heat, and even if it just browns it (heat but no burning), the THC heat damage has been done. All the THC that would have rode the smoke particles, assuming that little portion caught fire instead of just turning brown, is still there, ready to try again. Whether it'll survive the eventual lighting, when even more THC is destroyed, is an open question.
Pipes you relight, bongs you relight, and both can burn on their own for a variable period while not being hit from, during which time a large amount of the contents are exposed to close-by heat. In a joint only the end burns and the tubular structure keeps most of the heat going exclusively up and away from the remaining weed. Even though a joint is burning continuously, moreso than a bowl of any sort would, it gives off its heat the best. That whole metal bowl on your pipe gets up to 130F or higher at times and it just puts the THC that much closer to the temperature it has to hit to destabilize, at which it could break down. The joint remains tolerably cool enough to touch, even down to a small roach where the cherry is effectively millimeters from your hand. Think about it.
The remaining inefficiency that puts the bong below the pipe is in the THC lost to water. I can't see much being lost on the insides of the device because glass is, molecularly, smoother than the metal in a pipe. (A joint is the least smoothest but collected up resin is then smoked.) A glass pipe would narrowly outperform a metal pipe. But the bong does lose something in water, and probably also because its hard to inhale the whole hit and leave absolutely no smoke behind... also consider that the bigger the hit, the less of its total content gets deep into your lungs. If your hit ends because you've reached inhaling capacity, then necessarily the last of what you inhaled is still in your throat and not your lungs. This situation sometimes comes up in a bong hit, moreso than with, say, a pipe. Finally, measure and see that although the few big hits of a bong get you high, and possibly higher than you personally get with many small hits, they do in fact use more weed than conservatively-used pipes or thinly-rolled joints. Perhaps just as a whisky drunk is different than a beer drunk, the faster high of a bong from its large hits is a different type of high than the slower one, and more enjoyable to some people.
whatever the argument, i think it's safe to say that by using the same amount of weed for a joint, and the same amount for bong hits, the bong will rip you harder, if you know how to take a great haul.
I think people (noobs smokers atleast) they don't suck the flame all the way to the bottom of the bowl, sucking through only partially burnt weed
Dude no way does it waist, unless of course you have vergin lungs and you blow it all out or something like that, and that with pipes or anything. With A bong your bags going to go a lot faster though but all that smoke is still going in your lungs
Put me in with the camp that thinks smoking joints is the most wasteful, and bongs among the least. Also, I'm surprised by some of the questioning of a bong's effectiveness. I can get higher with the bong smoking half the amount of weed of a joint. I can see a blunt rivaling the bong, but not a joint.
I have never been as high off a joint as I have a bong.
I think if you smoke a gram in a bong vs a pipe vs a joint you will FEEL higher with the bong.
But to each their own.
Man even if using a bong did waste weed I wouldn't care, cause I can take suge huge hits on a bong versus a bowl or joint!
This topic has been brought up many times and those who claim bongs filter out thc and thus get you less high often refer to the NORML study which proved this.
ok...first of all, as someone already said, "wasting" is relative. what i think is wasting is not wasting to you or vice versa, plus tolerances are different, plus because of peoples different bodies its entirely possible that different methods get different people stoned.
though studies have been proven to show any number of things, i KNOW based on personal experienced based facts that packing a fat bong bowl and doming it to yourself will get me much more stoned than almost any other method. therefore i find this "bong wastes weed" discussion a waste of time and ultimatly, an argumentative loop.
bongs get you ripped...period:rastasmoke:
Dont see how bong are wasteful. I think bongs are better and you do get a better high than u do with smoking joints.. Also you save your self alot of weed as you dont need as much to get baked..
I personnaly think your friend is telling porky pies (lies)....:wtf:
yes i agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by dutchy420
it is ultimately about personal tolerance and not wasting weed. smoking out of a pipe vs. a bong is the is how fast the weed burns and how fat a rip you can take. for example what 4 pipes rips would equal 1 bong rip because you can take a fatter rip with the bong with water filtration and depending size of the bong. the pipe on the other hand has air filtration and thats it, your lungs with be burning with smoke before you could even take half what a bong could do to you. and for those out there who can take huge pipe rips enjoy your ashy lungs, ever notice why bong water looks and smells like crap??
When I first got my doctor recommendation my doctor told me that the more filtration between the burning marijuana and your lungs the better you are for respiratory function ( common sense duh ) joint<pipe<bubbler<bong<vaporizer.
just remember if your going to medicating over a long period of time that all the smoking is going to add up over time, thats why vaporizers are becoming more popular. your lungs won't outlast your smoking habits regardless of what studies say cigs are worse than marijuana.
thanks for the rant :twocents:
:jointsmile::thumbsup:
:wtf:IMO you use less weed when you rool a joint and still get the same high is not a better high, then any bong! Bong highs don't last very long to me. But thats just MPO though!!!! :jointsmile:
Chacolate Dutch
Grape "Rello"
Or just a plain "Swisha" :jointsmile:
What? What the hell does that even mean? The term "counter productive" means it deters one from being productive, as in smoking weed while trying to study usually proves to be counter productive to your studying...you must have been high when you wrote this, broseph.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeedyBoyWonder
I Like to use a one hitter....conserves weed very well.
Plus I Find I Can Enjoy The full flavour by taking one it at a time.Some People Think Joints Waste Weed,but Most People,especially youngsters, don't know how to smoke a joint Properly in my opinion.I See People Hit Joints like it's the last joint on the Planet!That's how you waste weed,when the cherry gets Big and Red and the the tip smokes profusely.and the kicker is it seems like they only burn a little pit of the pot,the inside of the burnt cherry is still solid ganja!Don't even get me started on how some people make the paper run,and don't try to fix it until it's to late and completely unsmokeable.Have you ever seen someone smoke a Cigarette?It Burns pretty long,That's How I Like My Marijuana Joints To last.My Dad Taught me how to smoke joints when I Was a teen,as I would try to be cool holding the joint with my thumb and index finger.Taking in massive amounts of smoke and a lot of puffs(Like people on movies or tv)Till my Dad Got Super Pissed And said he wasn't going to smoke with me unless I smoked properly...
A joint of some...oh let's say..Kali mist,if smoked Properly should get 2-3 people comfortably High.
HEAR HEAR!Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
My bongs rip like magic, I can't imagine losing weed. The only thing I could see as being a waste is that they burn weed quicker and you might lose some THC in the excess smoke, and you get less rips (but they all go to the same place anyway?).
I wouldn't say any THC is lost in the water, if you put Vodka in the bottom though, that would lose it.
Any method can be wasteful if you are not carefull. I use a home-made water pipe. I put only a little in the bowl at a time. Then I lite it with a match carefully to only get a little burning. Then I toke enough and snuff out the bowl with my finger, and very little stuff goes "up in smoke" wasted. You can also stop the burning with a damp finger tip.
Sometime I roll tiny joints that are good for only a few hits and I snuff that out after each toke.
If you are lucky as I am, cause I got some potent one-hit-quit-shit, then it doesn't matter HOW you smoke it, you just smoke a tiny bit and it is ENOUGH. This stuff I'm smoking I grew myself from SuperSkunk seeds I bought from Mark Emery in 1990. The seeds stayed alive in my fridge for 7 years until I grew some plants last spring time. :smokin:
this is true, when its just me I load a small bowl. toke. snuff. toke. snuff. until its cashed then chill for abit and if that isnt enough then I load another small bowl. weed gets wasted becuase people load a giant fat bowl just for them selves, and dont snuff it so it keeps burning.Quote:
Originally Posted by BudGrower
just take on phat bong rip and you'll know whats better, oh and make sure to hold in atleast 3-5 sec.
peace.
Like the last couple of people to post,i like to use a one hitter and snuff it out between each hit.keeping the end of the bowl covered and sucking out the smoke that got trapped in the tube when the cherry went out.I don't waste any smoke.it all goes in my lungs.And like the guy a couple posts up pointed out,
If you have access to high-test Cannabis,You should only need a
.2 or a .3 to get contently Stoned.I Just Weighed exactly a
.3 of HashBerry,smoked it from my hitter,the only smoke that went into the air was the smoke exhaled from my lungs,
And I'm Nice and Stoned.I Also feel alot of relief From My Stomach Pain and muscle weakness.
I Couldn't have said it Better Myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
You Took the Words right out of my thoughts using Stoner Telekinesis.:stoned:
I usually hold it for about 20 seconds. How long do you folks hold your tokes?Quote:
Originally Posted by headydankness
20 seconds is probably not needed, I actually heard 5-7 mostQuote:
Originally Posted by BudGrower
but anyway, your friend probably just said bongs waste weed because they CRUSH bowl packs, not because THC is lost in the water or sides of the large device, that's all some BS, I almost guarantee he said it because you can easily crush a whole bong pack compared to a bowl in a pipe or even a bubbler...
twenty seconds is to much, thats what leads to loss of brain cells.Quote:
Originally Posted by BudGrower
holding for 3-5 seconds is perfect becuase within the first 3 seconds 9x% of the thc is absorbed by the lungs.
atleast thats what I heard from my health class from a stoner teacher back in high school.
it only seems like you're smoking more because you have more hits off of a blunt as you would off a bong but then again, you don't as much from a blunt as you would in a bong. and plus the hit is smoother and cooler thus you take yourself a killer rip.:rasta:
No, I don't think it wastes weed, unless you use it in a wasteful manner; however, that can apply to any method of administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by JstUseDaBong
The reason why people think it wastes weed is because people usually get only one or two hits off of a bowl. But keep in mind that those hits are huge compared to a hit one would get from a pipe or a bubbler, or a joint/blunt/whatever. So really, you're getting the same amount as you would if you packed the same sized bowl in a pipe and took 5 or 6 or more hits... just you're getting it all at once instead.
personally i think gravity bongs waste the least amount of ganja. its like 1/3 - 1/2 of a bong bowl and im high as hell for at least 3 hours
none of my buddies nor i smoke joints anymore because of our tolerance and how much it wastes
THC and other cannaboids get filtered 30% more than the tar does, thats why it wastes weed... unless you drink the bong water everytime lol. bongs only get you more high because you can smoke like 10 times as much, it may feel better on your lungs but you are doing more harm than good.
things do not waste weed
people do, the only wasting is when someone lets whatever amount of smoke not in there lungs of course which usually isnt alot
bongs and joints get you the same amount of high, it all depends on how big a hit you take, in a way you could think joints get you less high, because there a bit harsher which could lead to taking a smaller toke, but any way you do it your getting the same amount of high as long as your smoking the same amount of weeed.
some people i hear saying bongs eat weed, which isnt true, its all dependant on the person smoking
hopefullly this helps some people