Ok, Ok, here's the official 'I overreacted' apology:
I'm sorry, I overreacted.
It just that I get very angry when it seems to me that people are telling me that I can't say what I think is correct. But I'm sticking to point, god damn it!
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Ok, Ok, here's the official 'I overreacted' apology:
I'm sorry, I overreacted.
It just that I get very angry when it seems to me that people are telling me that I can't say what I think is correct. But I'm sticking to point, god damn it!
lol...ok....im sorry too....and i accept your apology :P
incase you ppl didnt realize, it is a proven fact that their was a jesus. scientists have already proved that
ok...show us the proof(im serious, i wanna see some, and if u cant produce, then dont say there is proof)...for all we know..some guys made that story(new testiment) up around 500 AD. they coulda just wrote a story and told people it was true. and now adays people believe a fictional story....or it coulda really happaned but i find that highly unlikely(im not saying my story is more tru than theirs, im just sying that my story is more probable considering how humans act, and the likley hood of them actually doing that). jesus might have existed but he probably wasnt the real "son of god"...if he existed at all.
Well, I think there is proof that Jesus existed, but I'm not too sure about it. In any case, he probably didn't lead the life that's written down in the Gospels. Believe me when I say that many other, ancient, religious figures lead an almost identical life to Jesus' in the Gospels. That's the whole point of this topic. 'Jesus' has existed for thousands of years, under many different names, but the gist of the story is always the same.
i agree...but agree with me when i say there is no way of proving that beyond reasonable doubt (not just that the stories are fake but if the stories are real too, there is just no way to prove any of those theories)....thats all i want to hear.
"gotta have faith, faith, faith" - George Michael
Yes, ok, ok, you're right!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
Are you happy now???
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Aren't both Creationism and evoultion both Theories, and neither can be proven. No one knows for sure how we came to be, But I am sure there are facts that Jesus did Exist, but whether he was the Son of God is based on your faith. I believe in God and Jesus, want my proof, its called my faith. Nuff Said
faith isnt proof
Faith isn't proof to the faithless, that's it. A person with faith has proof for themself and has no need to proove anything to anyone. You don't understand this Ghost, because you have no idea of what having faith means, you have zero faith. It isn't believeing in something blindly like you think it is. Many of us have experiences and feel and see things that you may not. Just because some scientist can't understand or proove anything doesn't mean that it is not real or doesn't exsist. It just means that it is beyond the reaches of current science. Who knows maybe science will someday proove religion right? What would you do then???Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
darwins "theory" of evolution was more of a theory then, than it is now. there is lots of proof showing that we evolved from primates(did you kno that a humans genes is ONE cromo. from being an ameba!). but that dosent mean that god didnt put the human genome on the planet earth...but that cannot be proven...so like ive said many a times in this thread...you cannot prove the existance of god...you can choose to believe he exists or not....i for one will not take sides on this matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by XTC
there is a word for what u just described...and it comes up a lot in this thread...its called "arrogance". but i can see where you are comming from when you say that but a lot of non believers will just get pissed off when you say they are wrong and you are right. like me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
what happens if science proves the opposite of what you want? what would YOU do then??Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
how can science 'prove religion right'? which religion? what part of that religion? it doesnt make senseQuote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
sawleaf, it is you who doesnt understand. Faith isnt proof. faith never has been or will be proof.. saying 'my faith is proof enough for me' doesnt prove anything. if i had faith that godzilla lives in tokyo with elvis, does it make it so?
Ghost, know you starting to sound like a Jerk. Look up what faith means. People like me dont need some scientific source and DNA or whatever. We just have faith, and that by itself is proof enough. It is like.... God has touched me or open my mind up.... stuff has happened in my life that has made me have faith.
but just because you have faith, it doesnt mean its true.
Well, I never told you to believe or not in God or A God. It seems more or less that the people who don't believe in a god seem to throw insults and shove stuff down our throats in reasons why God doesnt exist. But it seems rarely if ever the Believers make post on Why There is a god and whatnot
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
now that is 100% true right there! the only way to describe arrogance, is to be arrogant! and thats exactly what we are trying to say to you. you are not right...and we are not right....and THATS closer to the real truth, than we are EVER gonna get!!!
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Originally Posted by XTC
im living proof that, that is not true.
I think people misunderstand the term 'theory'. Just because evolution is a theory, doesn't mean you can dismiss it as just a 'theory'. Electricity as we understand today is 'just' a theory. Nobody ever saw electrons, or their movement. Electricity is a theoretical construct that allows us to predict and understand how electrons might behave, even though we can't possibly see them with our current technology; but that doesn't mean we can debate the existence of electricity. Same goes for evolution. Given what we know from fossil records and based on what we observe in micro-organisms today (like viruses evolving in order to become immune to anti-biotics), scientists came up with the theory of evolution.
As for the question of faith in God, or Christ, or whatever, either you have it or you don't, and there's no point explaining it to others. Faith is a deeple personal thing.
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Originally Posted by F L E S H
you know what...it really dosent matter what exactly the electrons are doing. who cares, all we need to kno is that it makes it possiable to live everyday life as you kno it. try being on this msn w.o it.
and thats the same thing ive been say ing all along about the existance of god...you will never know...unless god comes to see us...but thats IF he comes at all...or IF there is actually a god or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
"antibiotics" are ment to kill bacteria...not viruses
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Originally Posted by F L E S H
if it is what i think is more possiable than the other(god probably dosent exist with what we know present day..but remember my opinion...not my final answer!) a psychiatrist might think that people with that kinda faith in god("deeply" personal thing) would be considered kinda crazy, but in more technical terms.
I don't even see where this is going at all. What are you trying to proove Ghost? I'm not trying to prove anything, but you seem to think I am. You are the one who doesn't understand faith. People without it seem to think it is this blind belief in something we have no proof of. For most of my life I didn't understand why people could believe blindly, but then I realized that they weren't believing in something they had zero proof of. It is a personal proof that goes beyond what a scientist or psychiatrist can prove or understand. It is very hard to understand unless you have experienced it or actually seen proof of a higher exsistence. You are entitled to your opinions Ghost, but if you are going to argue something make it clear what you are arguing about. It's okay if there is no God for you, but for me he exsists and is very real, you can't prove that he doesn't, and I am not here to try and prove anything to anyone. By the way Ghost, have you ever seen a ghost at all?
how do u kno that your "faith" isnt jst an imbalance of chemicals in your brain?how do u kno you havent ust convinced yourself that it is faith and not just something you made up? people convince them selves of A LOT of stuff (eg. bg/gf cheating on them and they try and believe its not happaning, pretty much not excepting the fact of truth...in other terms...being ignorant) denile is not just a river in egypt! im not saying you are wrong....but dont you think there is a SLIM chance that you are?
Hey Kronick, no offense, but you seem to have fun contradicting people just for the heck of it. It's a little annoying....
Yeah this thread is getting stupid. Who the hell are you Kronick? I have nothing to prove to you. You are of zero authority in my life. Did I ask you to prove your beliefs to me? You know nothing about me or what I've seen and experienced, so you're in no position to question. Believe what you want, I could care less. But just because you have never seen something does not mean it doesn't exsist.
im not trying to make you believe anything you dont want to...im just pointing out that fact that no matter how much u believe something....dosent mean its true...not matter what you say or especially how you feel about it.
"you cant prove that he doesnt exist"
ive heard that argument so many times. You can NEVER prove that something does not exist, but this is not a valid argument FOR the existence of said thing.
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Originally Posted by F L E S H
i opose everything....especially when people demand they are right when there is no proof on the matter...im definatly not saying im right but i cannot explain arrogance without being arogant myself so there is a difference between the 2 kinds of arrogance.
but i can see both sides of an argument and argue for both sides...most people dont have the brain power to do that cause they think something and think what they think is right and its not open for discussion.
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
you cant prove that he does exist and you cant prove that he dosent....end of story.
Exactly, so what is the point of your posts and Ghost's?Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
just trying to explain that to you my friend...when u said that stuff about faith...you didnt seem to care that it couldnt be proven...and i dont think u do now either. so just dont say you're right about him existing...cause u dont know if he does...and ghost dosent kno if he dosent...and i am in the middle of this...im not taking sides.
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Originally Posted by kronick
Oh no I understand you, but where in my posts did I claim that I was right? I'm just not for people saying I'm wrong for my beliefs when they can't prove me wrong. I am Christian, but I am not here trying to prove God to anyone.
ok im sorry...but you implyed that you were right about god...sorry for the misunderstanding
*thinks* this fucking chew is great :) */thinks*
lol whats the point of yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
i ust like debating stuff.. i dont claim to know whether god exists or not.. personally, i dont think he does, but i'll never say that he doesnt, or that he does... but debating stuff with people like you, kronik and F L E S H is interesting, and its how we learn.. wheres the harm in it? if by debating our beliefs i have offended you, then i apologize.. i just thought we were having a 'conversation'
ghost....i love you
Yeah, this thread isn't ging how I'd hoped... lol :D
But Kronick, with the way you think, there's no point in debating anything about religion, since no one can prove anything, right? But that's boring. Besides, we're not discussing facts, but rather opinions. We can discuss those, I hope. SO if you're looking for facts, go look somewhere else.
This is a great thread by the way...
What I try to do with the Jesus thing is this....
Try not to get to hung up on whether or not we can pin down his tangible existence on paper, but instead try to use some of the parables and "his" teachings for good use. It is good to have some moral rules to live by otherwise who knows where we would all be right now...
You could spend your whole life debating whether or not the man existed, I am sure many lives have come and gone over the centuries trying to to just that...but like one of you said above, dont miss the point....
The bible is a rich interesting group of writings if not a history book, if we stop trying to make it into a history book, then we will get more good out of it.
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Originally Posted by Looker
i agree 100%! but if you are going to choose a religion souly on that matter, i would suggest buddism. if it worn't for the fact that they believe in re-incarnation, i would probably be a buddist. i find their ways of life would most help the human race. but to be able for everyone to do that we would have to get ride of the greed we have...so life like that is far away...if at all.
but back to the point...no matter what religion a person chooses...there are people who dont follow it. some mob memebers are very religious (especially the italians, im not being racest...im italian. :P ) but there religion dosent stop them at all...they only not do, what they dont want to do...so at this point in time...im going to say that religion does not help people with that kinda living...because if a few people dont follow suit...it really dosent matter about the religion in the first place cause the people that dont do bad stuff dont do it cause of the law...and not religion...and some ppl just dont do it cause they find it wrong. most likly from the way they were raised, which could be cause of religion but since there are people killing others, it influences the odd person to do the same, "they are doing it...so it must be ok"...right? so back to the fact that its all just a visious circle of death. there will always be people killing other people...its really hard to explain it...did anyone understand? someone wanna try and explain it better than i did...and ill tell u if thats what i was trying to say
No, not offended at all, Ghost, just was wondering what you were trying to get across. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Exactly. Invert it. Proof is Faith. but what is faith? Everything. then whats everything???????????GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nuh uh then whats god? EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!! how,,,,... what.... how do you know this ... what.. : confused : :confused: Confused? ummmmm no... yes... i dont know... huh... stop this...............................
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