If the past and future don't exist and the present has no duration, then time doesnt exist.. that's my perception of it, anyway
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If the past and future don't exist and the present has no duration, then time doesnt exist.. that's my perception of it, anyway
Contrary to what was said in here, time is not 'the fourth dimension'.
Isn't it?
It's not? lol
You need to expand. ^.^Quote:
Originally Posted by fatty lumps
Time is man made. Its not a dimension.
For mathmatical reasons I don't begin to understand, string theory requires a universe with either 10 or 26 dimensions. No idea how you could travel to them, but 5MEO-DMT will make you think you did.
read "a brief history of time" by stephen w. hawking...time is not the 4th dimension...but it night be. there are no "for sures" when talking about stuff we know nothing about. like someone said b4, we cannot comprehend the 4th dimension just as someone from the 2D world, cant comprehend the 3D world. in this book he explains how travaling in 3D is faster than travaling in 2D.
http://newton.physics.metu.edu.tr/~f...g/eleven7.jpg*
that being said, one could say that travaling in the forth dimension could be faster than in the 3rd but how can we kno? well, we'll have to try and find out. if we can figure out the 4th D that is:P. one this is for sure, only time will tell ;)
*http://newton.physics.metu.edu.tr/~f...hawking/j.html
^^^ Maybe that's where I read it. I couldn't remember if it was A brief History of Time, Universe In A Nutshell, or A Short History of Nearly Everything; and I wasn't about to flip through the 500+ combined pages of all of them to find out.
BUT if I DO!!!! I will remember this thread.
it was a great book...i hate reading...and i wanna read that one again!
traveling seems to be a skill with some people, i have never had the experience of astral projection or traveling to the spirit world, but i would really like to, can anyone say how to do it?
I have always thought of time as being no future or past, but an always moving present which has inertia. If you consider 1st dimension being left-right, 2nd dimension as being left-right and up-down, then 3rd dimension as left-right up-down and back-forth, then the 4th dimension would be left-right up-down back-forth forward in time-back in time. In the 1st dimension, with that explanation, the always moving variable as I mentioned time as being in the first sentence (remember that there is time movement in the 4th dimension) would be the up-down motion. In the 2nd dimension, this is the back-forth motion. "Time" to the 2nd dimension beings is moving back and forth. Under this explanation that I thought of while tripping on a few hundred mg of dxm, 2nd dimension beings would constantly be moving at a fixed rate, back and forth. The same goes for the up-down motion for 1st dimension forms. For the 3rd dimension (us), time is moving at a fixed rate and therefore, for the 4th dimension people, there is free and willing movement throughout time. However, the really trippy question is: what is the fixed rate variable for the 4th dimension forms?
huh...inturesting...im impressed!
Just to clear things up, I just thought I should say a few things. In our 3D universe, if we move fast enough in any way, time can move backwards or stop (not sure). Therefore, in a 2D universe, when an object moves very fast, it slows down the constant back or forth movement of that universe. If that 2D object were to reach the speed of light, the universe around it would stop. It would cease it's back or forth motion. Therefore, back and forth is time for the 2D creatures. Let me explain. The 2D universe is always moving back or forth. Since it is 2D, it must be leaving layers behind of whatever size along the way. Therefore, if one were to travel left or right past the speed of light, the universe would cease or reverse its back or forth motion, thereby causing the object and the entire 2D universe to travel back through its "time layers". It is the same concept for us 3Ders, but with a different motion, time. Since time ties into this so well, it must be true! By the way, did anybody ever stop to think that maybe there is no such thing as alternate dimensions? :p
there is such thing...its been proven. 2D and 3D do exist...anymore than that we cannot prove but there might be a 1D and i just know nothing about it.
I had a really cool astral projection experience recently using this audio book journey type music that i downloaded on soulseek. im sure there are online text guides but i doubt they would be as useful...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mexicanhomeboy
Using astral projection can be a good way to help out the legalization cause..i mean, if you can tap into people's minds while they are sleeping..mwhahaha :cool:
wHIle on LSA one day i was watching tv (synchronized with music,Tv muted. try it as often as possible) and i started to think that maybe tv-like devices are examples of 4th Dimensional objects.
Think of it like this, the TV itself is a 3rd Dimensional cube with the extra dimension being the actual program itself.
The 4th Dimension is supposedly a place where thoughts and ideas themselves manifiest almost instantly and are not bound to 3rd Dimensional laws
very true! thought could be the 4th! do u have any more info on the subject?
Time is the 4th dimension in a way; it has everything to do about relativity. It limits how fast information forces and you may travel in our Universe. What you see in your day to day life is actually the "past" catching up to you. It may not seem like it but thatā??s because light (and forces) seems instantaneous, but it's not. It has a finite speed thatā??s constant in any reference frame.
In your day to day life you can assume something is where it is because the speed of light is much greater then the speed of any car, bullet or anything with a considerable amount of mass (anything you can see basically.) But if you look off into space and view a star 10,000 light years away, youā??re actually seeing it how it was 10,000 years ago. It may not even exist anymore but you wouldn't know that nor could you. So if you saw it go "Super Nova" you would know it happened 10,000 previous. However if you had the unfortunate luck to be right next to it, you would almost instantaneously.
Also you could only time travel if you went faster then the speed of light. But thatā??s imposable, how can an object with mass travel faster then light with no mass? After all it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a mass to the speed of light. Einstein proved all of this, and thatā??s why he's so famous. Everyone used to think that it was respect to some either field, but it was never detected and it became obsolete once light was proved to have a constant velocity in any reference frame.
Once you get objects close to the speed of light weird shit happens, Super Luminal motions (which is an optical illusion), time dilation (moving clocks move slow, they had to account for this in GPS systems), and length contraction to name a few. It makes you think that even what we think is 3D is probably wrong.
Keep in mind the lower dimentions are subspaces of the 4th and are bound within it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric
black holes theoretically could produce enough energy to make anything go faster then light, not to mention tackions(sp?) but quantum theory could be wrong...so who knows. i cant wait to go to school for this shit!!
and einstein didnt prove anything...he only disproved something else.
If your talking gravitational potential, by that time your inside of the black hole and theres no escape for anything directly. Hence the name Black Hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
He proved the ether dosen't exist. Proof by disproof.Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
Well I mean the proof is in his equations and found by them.
after the human race gets a chance to study a BH(if it does exist) directly, whos to say there isnt a way to harness that power?Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonStarer420
even that isnt considered proof because there could be other variables that arnt taken into account because of our ignorance. his equations only help his theories make sense, not prove them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonStarer420
Thereā??s more then enough proof to show BH's exist, It's what they are that will prevent us from probing them. No particle, not light, not dark matter, can escape once it passes though the holes horizon. If there is a way, we are a long, long ways off from doing such. How do you build a probe out of batronic material that uses non-bayronic, non-photon parcles to probe a potenial well that deep? No, the only physical way possible is by theory and theory alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
There would be a way to harness the Black holes energy by using its magnetic field to generate current, but this would slow down the holes spin (eventually). What variables? I admit there is much we don't know about Black Holes but energy in our Universe is conserved, there will never be any unlimited power source.
This first link has a series of pictures put together to show the acualy orbits of stars around our own galaxies BH.
http://www.mpe.mpg.de/ir/GC/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
evidence...not proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonStarer420
ya....after a LONG ass time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonStarer420
exactly! you dont know...so dont assume you do!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonStarer420
u just contradicted yourself. sure you might not be able to use one bh forever...but if ur able to use a bh as a power source, you could prolly make one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonStarer420
In Carl Sagan's Cosmos black holes could be portals/gateways to other universes entirely!
This has nothing to do with the 4th dimension though..moon starer is sad he only thinks space is the answer to everything hheheh
...not that i dont find space fascinating..i just take it personally when some one hops on all my ideas with skepticism while promoting a limited knowledge of a 3D universe :o (sorry)
i appreciated your comment earlier thogh kronick, i make it a point to post anything of interest.. (thank-you)
Dreams could be more than just a 100% physical symptom of a brain on "defragmentation"
Considering that the dreamworld fits a close description of 4D experience and that while sleeping your body is close to death it isn't too much of a stretch to say this.
I've personally experienced an OBE and it was a lot like a dream. Supposedly we (our multidimensional protoplasmic "souls") come from 4D.
The Celestine Prophecy - The 10th Insight is a good read on the subject of 4D,death and birth.. I'd highly recommend this book :thumbsup:
So how do drugs elevate us into this higher plane?:confused:
those links contain some stuff thats borderline religious and defineatly egocentric. but hey, they could have some merritt. i like to keep an open mind. :smokin:
i donno, but maybe the government made some drugs illegal because they(some drugs) can elevate us to a higher plane and they(gov) dont want us to know about it!! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric
or it could be cause the gov wants to make money(in the hidden market)...which seems more reasonable.
Using Radio telescopes we can probe the center of our own galaxy down to a few AU (an AU is the distance from the Sun to the Earth). From the link I posed above you can see the stars orbiting around an "invisible" object (which you can actually see at other wavelengths) and from these orbits you can measure the mass to be about 3,300,000 solar masses. Any object with a mass this large and in a radius that small must be a black hole. There are no known or theoretical forces to support an object against a density like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
I was wrong about a black hole having magnetic fields; it's the accretion disk around the BH that has a mag. field. But the problem with using that as a power source is that 99% of the photons it emits are in the UV and above. After all it's at a temp. of 750,000K. This makes it very hazardous to anything near enough. I guess it would make more since to use the accretion disk as a source of power. You can actually see the accretion disks in other Galaxies expressly in AGN's. Quasars are probably the most interesting, because the most luminous ones could use an entire galaxies amount of mass in a few millions of years.
"Energy in our Universe is conserved, there will never be any unlimited power source" Is no contradiction. You even said it yourself.
A long time is a long time not forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
You could make one, but it's going to be extremely hard. The only natural way to make them is through massive stars and getting neutron stars past the critical density. But when you do that, they release a huge amount of energy (Gamma ray bursts and SN explosions). I wouldn't want to be around them when they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
I don't take any critisim on these ideas personally, after all they arn't mine. Someone else had to do the bitch work to find this work out. You are right though, 3D work in the sky is..well...a bitch (can't think of another word right now.) But theres tricks to it and using wavelenghts other then optical are key.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric
I'm not saying astral projection isn't possible, I only think it's not probalble. I certainly can't prove you wrong on that though. I'll have to read "while sleeping your body is close to death" later, I'm off to see P.O.S. right now.
im not debating if they exist or not...im only saying that there are things about black holes what we do not know. that being said, right now, anything is possiable. some day we might be able to harness that power(if we get that far). so are you gonna deny this possibility?
energy is conserved...the universe contains only energy...right there you got an unlimited power source. fusion. thats what i ment by contradicting.
This is the kind of discussion I love. The true secrets of the universe is the ultimate treasure, the knowledge of why things are. Where people can use there imagination to create complex theories that seem completely convoluted and impossible but yet are just as likley as the next.
But here lies the problem. Unless we obtain some kind of knowledge from another being, we probably won't know what the universe is for, why it's here and why things are the way they are. Even then, would that being's information be credible, would we have any other alternative? We can speculate all we want, but I've gotten frustrated, moody and even depressed doing deep thinking like this.
I warn people who are new to this kind of thing. Be careful, the mind is a dark place if you don't know your way around the deeper aspects of it. This kind of thinking can't be taken lightly, you either give it your all, or nothing, and once you've explored the deepest questions and the darkest answers, you will be changed forever and there's no going back. Thinking like this will take you on the most hidden and darkest roads. It will lead to long chains of thought that comprise of convoluted and questionable theories. You can also scare yourself pretty bad if you let your mind have control over you. Just a warning to people who are just beginning to explore the really deep questions and areas of the mind and universe most people would rather not dwell upon.
i agree 100%
I defenetly agree with you on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
I almost agree with you on this, only that some things that are possible are not probable.Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
It's a possibility, but they seem way to dangerous to use, that is if what we know about them turns out to really be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
I'm talking about using an object or process as an energy source, like a star or such. You would have to "hop" from object to object to get new energy when that system runs out. If you could do that forever then you would always have energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kronick
You can only get so much energy out of fusion , it goes up to Iron and Nickle before you need to start putting energy into the system for fusion. Thats part of the reason why massive star cores collapse and explode in Super Nova. Yes the Universe is infinite, but these elements are getting fused into heavier elements all the time everwhere in the Universe. It may last us trillions and trillions of years but it will run out some time. But I guess then you could use that material, throw it into a black hole and get more energy from that. The BH evaporates, you get material back. I guess the question is, can we somehow get Hydrogen back out of the BH in some order to always have a way to get energy? Or maybe by that time all the material will converge into "one" massive hole and explode agian into another Universe? Ok I have no idea, either way were talking tillions of times the age of the Universe.
ok i see what you mean now....but in a practical sense, fusion is bacically unlimited power. but i guess thats what they said when they found out what they could do with oil.
Does anyone here like pudding? It's my humble opinion that pudding holds the answer to the universes most unanswerable questions. And it tastes awesome.
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