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Notice his hand on the railing. He wasn't hand cuffed when they tasered him.
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Notice his hand on the railing. He wasn't hand cuffed when they tasered him.
You don't think the way they were manhandling him, even in the beginning, was excessive, since all he did was ramble on? Was he breaking the rules? yes. Was his breaking of the rules in any way shape or form threatening to the point of being manhandled out of a room? No. I agree that he was mistaken in rambling, but I understand the actions he took.Quote:
Originally Posted by ntcrawler
I'll agree that they could of been a little softer in the beginning but obviously they didn't have much of a grip on him if he was able to slip right out. Their behavior is what I would of expect from any security if I was to be escorted out.
If you wanna blame any one blame the procedures that they are taught on how to handle a situation. They did their job.
Now, only take this with a grain of salt, but I heard that this whole incident was staged. To put fear into you, so you will be less likely to question authority.
My opinion is that he didn't deserve to get tased, not at all. They already had him on the ground when they tased him. So tell me, why did they need to do it? They already had him subdued enough - they did not need to tase him. I can't believe anybody would side with the police on this one.
Freedom of Speech doesn't give you the right to interrupt or dominate any social setting that you please...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrNiceGuy420
And when somebody interrupts or "dominates any social setting," does that give a police officer the right to tase you? Clearly he was resisting arrest, but after they already subdued him, he was tased. Tell me why, with good reasoning. I don't think there is a good reason. Also, it seems like the cops allowed him to speak for awhile. Did you notice that? But once the "Skull & Bones" thing came up, they clearly started to intervene. If he was taken out because he interrupted the forum, then they would have told him right away. I think these police were mad at the dude, and tased him because of it. He did mouth off to them, and you know that cops don't take that shit. I personally think the cops did it to "teach him a lesson."Quote:
Originally Posted by meatw4d
He wasn't interrupting, per say. He had a right to ask questions. But once he began his breathless rant, the event coordinator sent security after him to take him outside. At first they weren't excessive at all. Did you watch the video? From the start this kid was resisting the escort out of the building. That got him arrested, which he also resisted. Then he was warned that he was going to be tasered if he didn't let them cuff him. Did he stop squirming? Nope. He wasn't ever cooperative with the police. What are they supposed to do? Baby him out the door? This isn't kindergarten or time out. This is real life. You can't wrestle your way away from a cop, or you'll get tasered.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfqr
edit: also, if you haven't seen a good video of his unreasonable rant, check this: YouTube - UF Student Tased by Univ of Florida Police
so no matter what the instance cops have the right to tase people,
how about that instance in florida that just happened same night, where a woman was handcuffed, tased to ground, then kicked down, tased more to slam head into police cruiser, then tased 7 more times. i guess that was ok too
im sorry but if a cop abuses his power on me(when im out of jail), ill go back and hunt them and their family down and ill kill them. i dont take lightly of power abuse, especially against me or family.
Now your just comparing apples and oranges. Now I haven't heard about that story but if what you say is true then that is truly fucked up and hope she gets justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by texas grass
So you will hunt down their family also? Then with that logic then we the people are responsible for all of our governments worldly affairs.
You just mad because you know you have not much of an argument against the police in this case so you invite new cases into the discussion and to try to confuse us into thinking that the police at the forum did some thing wrong. Actually discuss the case properly and logically or not at all.
i don't need to cite any sources, i promise you, police abuse their power, and violate the rights of citizens, almost everyday. I have seen over 15 tasings, with my own eyes... seen a 13 year old tased unconsious until he messed himself and convulsed... simply for pushing the officer in the stomach...
you can ride with the violation, and say the officer was protecting himself, and the kids shouldnt of done it... but i know for a fact, of the perversion of power in the ranks... that's why i know there was absolutely no real honest reason to taze the kid, ya, they might be able to reason it, but does that make it right?
I know a female officer than can restrain a grown man by herself... ONE woman
But in this case the police were doing their job and did not carry it to far giving many chance to Meyer to just submit. Trying to lump all police officers as corrupt authority because of bad past experiences is no different from white people who hate black people(and lump them all together) because of bad past experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighTillIDie
I don't want to you these officers lose their jobs. If you have a problem high don't lay it out on the officers but instead the procedures they are taught.
I agree that's a part of the problem. But to give you an over-the-top comparison, imagine that I have a job talking to homeless people. I've been taught that if a homeless person moves forward, I punch them in the face to suppress them. Would you blame the way I was taught to deal with the prostitutes when they die? After all, I'd just be doing my job. Maybe you should just blame my superiors instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by ntcrawler
Resisting arrest is completely fine if youre not doing anything illegal or arrest-worthy.
Its worrying to see a pattern of people saying over media/forums "If a cop tells you to do something, you do it" This is complete and utter bullshit people, if you aren't breaking any laws or would be breaking laws by not obeying police, then you are in no way obliged to do so. Sure, he was maybe annoying, but he actually said "If you let me go i'll walk out"
This is fucking ridiculous and people on THIS forum of all should see why.
Our freedoms are becoming more and more negotiable.
Resisting arrest is completely fine if youre not doing anything illegal or arrest-worthy. Oh right I forgot, this "extra information" going around, apparently he cut line and shouted a bit, tase worthy. He asked some good questions too, sure, skull and bones was a bit too far but before that, albeit rude, his questions were actually pretty intellectual..
But it's worrying to see a pattern of people saying over media/forums "If a cop tells you to do something, you do it" This is complete and utter bullshit people, if you aren't breaking any laws or would be breaking laws by not obeying police, then you are in no way in need of a good ol' tasing. He was annoying, childish and rude but 5 police offers should be enough to remove him without fucking tasing.
Pfft, blame the proceedures? "They're doing their job" If someone chooses a job where they have to follow such proceedures, bear in mind they had a choice whether or not to do the job.. It's not like "police officer" is a last resort.. If they choose to do it they agree to those proceedures which is why THEY are at fault for even being cops. Cops aren't creatures of divinity. Theyre fucking normal people who agree to sign over themselves to ridiculous establishments that arrest innocent people and CAUSE PAIN to people who are being a mild irritation.
This is fucking ridiculous and people on THIS forum should see why.
Our freedoms are becoming more and more negotiable.
(EDIT: OOPS, seemed to have posted this twice after editing, wtf?!)
HAHAHAHAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
First off, that had to be one of the funniest responses I've received. Now you are correct in calling that and over-the-top comparison but to answer your question I truly believe that it would be the supervisors/procedure that is too blame.
You're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by meatw4d
He was being escorted out under the wishes of the forum organizers. What more do you want me to say? So after he resisted being escorted out TWICE and everyone ended up on the ground now was the time for them to let go of him so he could walk out? Its kinda obvious he wasn't interested in leaving in the past two attempts of taking him outside!Quote:
Originally Posted by BathingApes
Now I'm gonna give you a different scenario; They let him get up to walk out and he decides to run around the audience, pulls out a gun and starts shooting people. Now I'm not saying that scenario is likely but as a cop you have to plan for the unpredictable. If that did happen(or any event like it) their would be a media frenzy talking about how the cops were not doing their jobs and the needs for stricter security/procedure(less freedom). You would probably be arguing in this thread still against the cops!
Which part because his description seemed pretty spot on compared to news websites saying they tased a student for asking a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfqr
You are wrong too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ntcrawler
Mind telling me which?Quote:
Originally Posted by mfqr
Thanks, I try. But personally, I'd blame the workers AND I'd blame the employers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ntcrawler
If that's the case, then it's just safer just to tase and arrest the entire public. Anyone could be packing heat at any time...Quote:
Originally Posted by ntcrawler
As well, if someone got up to do jumping jacks (or something similarly out of the ordinary, and annoying people) should this person be tased for resisting arrest too? They didn't do anything remotely illegal, but they're expected to go along with the police because the police say so? That's bull.
The police were told to escort the man out. Now if the police were told to escort the jumper of the jacks then yea he shouldn't resist getting kicked out. Meyer wasn't being arrested until he resisted being escorted off the premises. He resisted twice when escorted out, man. Not only until they had him pinned on the ground did he decide it was time for him to leave but a little too late for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
Um, why did you -rep me, ntcrawler? I said you were wrong, and that means I should get -rep? "Not very constructive?" I didn't disrespect anyone, I just said "You are wrong." There's nothing wrong with that. I feel really inclined to disrespect you, because of that. But I won't, because then there would be a legitimate reason to -rep me. Giving -rep to someone for saying "you're wrong" is wrong. I think someone who has their rep disabled shouldn't be able to give - or + rep out.
i will remember that one today as i walk into the court building to clock in ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ntcrawler
"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.
There is no such thing as 'resisting arrest' when the arrest itself isn't even justified...The taser was completely unnecessary especially considering he volunteered to walk out before they tasered him if they would just let him go..
I would've done the exact same thing that guy did..fuck the cops, they're not gonna put their hands on me because I ask a couple of questions, that's why we got our independence from britain in 1776, so that we could say anything we wanted to in our country, whether it be about the government or anything, we can say it, and cops have no right to arrest us for asking or saying anything, I don't care what it is.
You're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
He resisted being escorted out of the building. He was then arrested for disturbance of the peace. Now where is the unlawful arrest. You say he volunteered to walk out but when did he do that? Oh yea, he did that after resisting twice to being escorted out. He wasn't worried about leaving until they had him on the ground! He knew he went to far and sadly for him there was no going back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
If you feel it to be unjust I guess you should report it. BTW, I wasn't aware that I had it locked or what ever. I'll look into that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfqr
so if me or my family are abused by state or federal officials and nothing is done about it i should sit there and do nothing?
im sorry but that would push me to way past my limits
and you are also telling me that abunch of cops cant handcuff a guy and carry him out of the forum. as i said he might have been anoying but no reason to tase.
and that other flordia woman i cited was relivent to the fact that A COP ABUSED HIS POWER AND WAS TASING A PERSON. same thing different instance
if you feel wronged, BRING IT TO COURT. You are only making it worse on your self. Now nothing wrong happened in this case, the guy brought it upon him self. He was warned that he was going to be tased if he didn't stop resisting. Did he think they were joking?Quote:
Originally Posted by texas grass
I am trying to look at this objectively as I can. Here are my thoughts:
1. Yes, that student was probably out of line according to the rules of the forum.
2. If the cops thought he was "inciting a riot" they should've asked him to leave before grabbing him.
3. Even though he was arrested wrongly, he should've not resisted arrest. That just makes you look bad. Look at videos of Mos Def or Alex Jones getting wrongly arrested.
4. No one should be tasered when they are on the ground.
5. Kerry should've ordered the police to let him go.
6. The student made some good points, but were lost in the following fiasco. He implied that Kerry conceded the election to Bush, and is not moving to impeach because they are both members of Skull and Bones, one of the most powerful elite good old boy networks in the United States.
7. If you don't want to get arrested for something you say over a microphone, do not mention Skull & Bones, the CFR, the Federal Reserve, 9/11=inside job, and do not criticize the government in any way.
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