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And since the beginning of the year I'm sure they have trained at least twice or more of that number, but maybe eventually we'll rid the world of all of these people, and we will be entirely safe, like we are now because we're in Iraq..Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
But until the day that we kill every last one of those people, which is never going to happen, they're going to continue to show opposition to us while we're in THEIR country.
They want to bring nothing here, they want to attack our country with airliners....It is instead better to get our soldiers killed, and ruin their families' lives forever..to make ourselves believe we're doing what's in the best interest for our country...
Isn't it bad that the 9/11 attackers learned to fly in America? Lived in America for quite some time before doing the attacks..We're letting them in every day, our country isn't fucking safe..and we'll never be safe, whether or not we're in a fucking war in iraq or not..
What the fuck would they want to come to America for? to kill every American citizen, to take over the country? Enslave us??
We should end this pointless stupid war already..
Since there is no hard evidence/stats on their training who knows? The numbers could be more but they could be much less.....seems since attacks are down since the surge started I'd go with the idea that their training ability is also disrupted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
"THEIR country"? Are we still talking of Al-Quada? Most of these people are NOT from Iraq. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc........these people have no country or flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
Have a good one!:s4:
Ahh, you may be onto something...Let's send tens of thousands more troops and we'll kill them all, then the war will be over and we'll be safe. Two months later we're going to invade them again because they've recruited more crazy stupid sons of bitches...This is an ongoing conflict that we should have no part of whatsoever...It's never going to be resolved until those ancient religion groups learn to get along with each other. Which hasn't happened in..umm, thousands of years, since they started hating one another..Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Just tell me what justifies winning this war...I'd really like to know because I can't see any ultimate objective..maybe I'll wait for bush's sorry ass to tell us another one..or something, that is, if you can't provide me with that..
markass.....so we should all just sit around smoking our pipes and think that because we're no longer in iraq, the terrorists will leave us alone? come on man...shitty times we live in, not everyone loves peace and flowers.
we were attacked, and we are at war. sorry you dont agree.
Where's osama bin laden??Quote:
Originally Posted by higher4hockey
I believe we will be in no greater harm's way than right now with us occupying the middle east, not that they will 'leave us alone' How will they leave us alone when we're letting them into our country daily??
This war isn't the solution...the past four years has proven that..we're no safer today than we were the day of the 9/11 attacks. We can only hope that airport security is strengthened enough, which I would say it has..
We'll never be completely safe from any sort of terrorists..but or occupancy of iraq is not keeping them from doing something to us..they will attack whenever they feel the need...
well markass my theory is , if you keep em on the defensive, if they're constantly worried about Marines kicking the door down, they dont have as much time to try and attack here....
who knows, maybe im wrong and this is the worst war ever....i dunno...
Marines do like to kill..that is a fact..
No, I think he means the people we're fighting in iraq. The vast majority of whom are iraqi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
well markass my theory is , if you keep em on the defensive, if they're constantly worried about Marines kicking the door down, they dont have as much time to try and attack here....
And how long do you suppose we keep Marines over there doing just that?
10, 15, 20 years? If that's your plan, always keep them on the defensive then we're gonna have a pretty weakened and thinned out military very soon, so expect to put your money where your mouth is (unless you have already served) because a draft will be on its way.
Thankfully though I don't see that happening, all we're doing now really is saving face.
Terrorism, like the war on poverty and war on drugs, is a war against a faceless enemy and one that will never truly be defeated.
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lol yall are so blind... do you really think this country is threatened by "terrorists"???? Do you honestly think we are over there fighting the terrorists??? i spent 13 months of my life in iraq, and i'm not bind.
I can't believe that yall don't get it
jack~ i have served.
i dont agree with not finishing what we've started. i dont agree with turning tail and running because the liberals are scared. i dont agree with when cowards attack us, not doing anything about it. i dont agree with the mindset people have these days that if it cant be done in two weeks its not worth doing.
war sucks and people die. but when you're on top, you're going to get challenged.
just like EVERYONE i served with or knew to serve...Quote:
Originally Posted by higher4hockey
you still dont get it... that's why people like me and you are being used...
this isn't a real war, don't believe ANYTHING you read, or hear... when you hear a politician speak, try to understand their motives...
politicians manipulate, that is what they train for, to know how to get people on their sides...
PLEASE PEOPLE THINK FOR YOURSELVES, don't just listen to me
Oh hell no........the towers just fell on their own.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HighTillIDie
Have a good one!:s4:
lol you amke an excellent point, i need to clarify, so my words can't be turned aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
do you really think that the terrorists that threaten this country, are middle eastern
edit, i like the way you tried to belittle me, psycho...
that was slick
No one ever said towers fell by themselves or even thought that, wtf? The point these normal citizens try to get across to so many narrow minded ignorant people is that the attacks were helped and/or allowed. Keep beating around the Bush people...
Are we still trying to sell this war on the towers? I think that has been paid for in spades, 600,000+++ dead, that sure beats an eye for an eye. The only reason we are still there is Bush's EGO, Hey I started this and I'm gonna finish it if it kills every damn soldier we have, and BTW, if the congress lets me, I'm gonna start a war with Iran and get all 160,000 soldiers in Iraq killed within a month. Come on people wake the fuck up. End the insanity. End this insane war now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
The point is that they brought the game to us.....THEY attacked us on our homeland. Now if you can state that there is NO Al-Quada in Iraq, great! Until then they got the big dawg to contend with.
Have a good one!:s4:
But...there wasnt Al-Quada in iraq until WE got there. 9/11 and Iraq are completely, 100% unrelated in ever fashion. end of story.
edit- i take that back, iraq and 9/11 are related in that we used it as an excuse, and a bad one at that.
I heard that when the draft does occur, Canada will close their borders, and potentially shoot any American who comes over the border trying to flee the draft. Thats fucked up. No one should have to fight in a war.
P4B
Q: How many 9/11 hi-jackers were ( and in some cases are Because some are still alive:wtf:) From Iraq?
Q: If Al-Quada is comming into Iraq from other countrys wouldn't that mean the USA is in the Wrong Place?
Q: How Many of the Iraq people are getting Mad Due to the Occupation?
Q: Isn't Saudi Arabia one of the USA's Best Friends?
Q: If the USA Attacks Iran Would Russia Help Them?
Q: Isn't Russia Building the Power Plant Israel wants To Bomb?
Q: How Happy is the World with you Big Dawg?
I still don't understand how killing people isn't going to make other people want to kill you back...again.
You mean Canada wouldn't help a fella out?...they did once before.....:stoned:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anubis10012007
The draft would solve all problems.
Wow! The puppets continue to let their puppet masters pull the strings. I would really like to know where this huge threat of terrorism is? How many times have we been attacked by terrorists in the last 30 or 40 yrs? How do we know we killed 2500 Al-Quada do they have their Al-Quada card on them at all times? For all of you who don't understand this, but terrorism is an idea, and you can't fight a war against an idea! The towers were an excuse to go into Iraq. Most of the so called terrorists are from Saudi, but why are we not over their taking care of the motherland of terrorism? Instead we are in a country killing thousands of innocent Iraqi people and every now and again a handful of Al-Quada. This war is BS!! Either you people are completely unable to think for yourselves, or you really honestly believe that we are under some crazy terrorist threat!! Just do like any investigator would do when he is trying to solve a crime look at who benefits from this. Most of America does not support this war, and I really doubt that those people are just liberals, and democrats. This whole thing is just NUTS, and really saddens me that we have come to the point where we just blindly follow whatever we are told just like good little tax paying citizens!!!
This is all Supost to happen. Proves That We as HUMANS Can Not Rule Our Selfs. It's going to Keep getting Darker To. Sheep Choose to Be Sheep my Friend. Who is your Sheppard is the Real Question?Quote:
Originally Posted by epxroot
Thoses who Pick up the Sword will die by it.
Where did you hear this? I highly doubt it, Canadian's would probably welcome the dissentors to Bush's war, it sure isn't very popular over here! In 2004 Canadian support for George Bush was only 20%, I imagine it's not that much better now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anubis10012007
Besides, we're not nearly as enthusiastic or tolerant of gun killings here and we don't have the death penalty. As is, our border guards have only recently become armed.... my point is, looking overal at the attitude of Canadian authorities, what you describe is far beyond the norm here.
What do you think about the NAU?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Well, considering Harper sold us out on the SPP, it may very well happen, but not imminently I think. If the liberals win the next election (not likely considering their weak leadership; and they're a shitty party anyway), they may not sign but I'm not counting on it either considering what political whores they've been. If the NDP actually does win (they're rising in popularity, but it's still a long shot), they'll definately not agree to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
As for whether we should have one; maybe one day, but certanly not now. American and Canadian values, particularily in the administrations representing our peoples, are far too incompatible at this point. I would not want American institutional insanities mandating my country's policy; like the war on drugs (which sadly Harper has adopted), the massive imprisonment, the overzealous death penalty, the rediculously high prison sentences, funding of religious institutions, legal/social policy based on evangellicle pandering, and the philosophy of policing the world/killing hundreds of thousands of innocents then thinking everybody hates us because of our freedom.
So no, I don't want any North American Union right now. Should our policy's and values become compatible, I would actually like to establish one.
Your beliefs in this 0-11 conspiracy crap are far from mine.....I think that has been well covered and as stated before. I'm DONE debating 9-11.....got real boring after a COUPLE YEARS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
Not really....we set up the dumbass magnet and sure enough....here they come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
Plenty are...not so much at us as they're neighbors that are allowing people in their country to kill "fellow muslims". The Anbar Province, Kurdish areas, and others are a sign that WE are not the base of their frustration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
LOL...hell no! Here's a good example:Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
Saudi School in US Faces Closure
The difference is that instead of an open attack their trying to conquer from within.......
Did they help their friend Saddam?Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
Yes...they sold thier product and after it's paid for I don't really think they'll give a rats ass what happens to it. Who funds the Chechen rebels? I'm sure they'd have a sigh of relief knowing that a dirty bomb wasn't in their future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
This "Big Dawg" thing must be in relationship with the U.S........who really gives a rats ass about world opinion except for the Kerrys? ALL these countries do their own thing to a point...just a matter whether or not they got the balls to back it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
Have a good one!:s4:
We may be able to eliminate a terrorist group...we can kill them, but we cannot kill their beliefs; their beliefs have been there for thousands of years, and will be for all eternity I'm sure.
P4B, does it not make you weary to know that the individuals we're fighting in that country can freely come into ours?? Have you ever heard of a sleeper cell? During my trip to michigan, I saw TONS of airport workers who were 'foreign.' Not to be racist, but when the gentleman driving my baggage to an airplane has a turban on...that's not exactly a comfortable feeling to me.
Sure have heard of sleeper cells.....just another reason why we need things like the Patriot Act. Being able to tap into these peoples communication is vital! Thinking that if we pull out and leave the middle east is going to mean that they ask the sleeper cells to come home though is just a dream....wouldn't happen. If anything, by leaving them alone over there will just give them more of a base in order to create schemes for the cells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
I hear ya but that is something that we all have to get over. I was up at the Mall of America and saw quite a few of the Muslim faith in there. My first thoughts were the same as yours and I was a bit pissed off at myself because of it. NOT ALL Muslims are terrorists and to look at a person and think such a thing is just racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
Like what the ol' man used to say...."You have assholes in all groups".
Have a good one!:s4:
just to get the facts straight for the people who keep using faulty information.
1. Iraq had nothing i repeat NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attacks.
there was no link between saddam and bin laden, in fact they are sworn enemies. nearly every hijacker was from our friends the saudis.
2.the fact that we're fighting them in iraq does not make us safer in america. actually it just makes the muslim countries inflamed with hatred for the US and gives al qaeda new recruits.
3.terrorism is not a country, it is an abstract idea. you cant fight an idea because you cant kill an idea. the more of them you kill, the more strength you give to their ideology. you have to destroy the source of their radical ideas.
4.bin laden and his cronies are free to plan their attacks while we are busy fucking around in iraq for no reason at all because we decided to quit the mission in afganistan (which was a legitimate war) and secure some iraqi oil.
Afghanistan Poppy Cultivation Skyrockets - washingtonpost.com the US is still in Afghanistan, The Al-CIA-Duh need there Drugs. The Rich get more Drugs to Smuggle, And get a Ton of Money off just Selling Weaponds and bullets to the US. Not To mention the Oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkside
not all us liberals are scared and want to turn tail and run. what we want is an end to the war. and what is wrong with that? what is wrong with wanting our soldiers to come home? nothing is wrong with that. what is wrong is anytime some one asks about an exit stratagy or bringing an end to this war we are labelled "unpatriotic". just because we want an end to the war does not mean we want to sucumb to defeat. on the contrary we want to win this. noboy wants terrorist to win. and its not that we dont want to finish what we started, again we do want to finish it and not drag it out. it seems the conservatives dont even want to discuss ending it. what is unpatriotic is keeping our soldiers in a war zone with no end in sight.
like i said we just want to hear that we have a plan to get outa there. if it be ok we lost lets come home, fine. if it is (and what i think needs to happen)we are goin throw everything including the kitchen sink at them and kick their punk ass then ,fine lets do it. but lets just do something and get our kids home
TERRORIST: a person or GROUP that uses violence or PROPAGANDA to force their ideas on another person or GROUP.
The terror attacks and the war are all planned by the elites who have to keep us occupied while they steal our treasury blind. our great grandkids will be paying for these things that the Federal bankers and the elites have dreamed up. I'm not 100% convinced that 911 was an inside job, but I'm not convinced it wasn't either. It makes sense in a cynical sort of way, as the beneficiaries are definently the elites and the corporations. As long as you can get other people to die for you by hyping some patriotic bullshit, you can steal the prize. It's like a giant chess game, you always sacrifice the pawns to save the king.
Ya'll that hold dual citizenships obviosly like the U.S better than the other so i say shut up..and/or go where it is you came from...if your gonna run when/if the draft starts..i say get a head start and go now.....given the choice most soldiers don't want war but that is thier job and they do it well when it comes to that....